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Problem with the pain in shoulder
This is to tell you about a problem about pain in the shoulder of my sister in law. She had her right shoulder stretched while someone pulled her for a dance in a party. Since then she has done her Xray which happens to be fine. She has also taken allopathic medicines for pain and done physotherapy too but the pain has subsided a little but not completely gone.She has stopped all medication and physotherapy but the pain still exists and she has difficulty reaising her hand. She is around 45 years old. Your help will be highly appreciated.
VAISHDW2 on 2007-08-12
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Rhus Tox 30c,5 drops thrice daily for few days.If relief felt withen few days then continue otherwise stop and conract again.
sajjad.
sajjad.
sajjadakram635 last decade
♡ Mahfoozurrehman last decade
Extremities, pain, shoulder, raising the arm agg. : alum., bar-c., bry., calc., card-m., chel., cocc., dros., ferr., hep., ign., iris., kali-bi., kali-n., kreos., lac-c., led., Lues., lyc., mag-c., mag-m., nat-c., nat-m., nit-ac., petr., phos., phyt., prun-s., puls., rhus-t., sang., sanic., sep., sul-ac., sulph., thu., zinc.
Arnica is not there. Rhus tox is grade 2, along with twelve others, and Sang is grade 3.(only one grade 3 in Kent)
Murthy
Arnica is not there. Rhus tox is grade 2, along with twelve others, and Sang is grade 3.(only one grade 3 in Kent)
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
The causation definitely confirms Rhustox. Arnica is mostly for pain because of sharp blows/instruments.
Murthy
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Mr. Murthy,
Dr. Boericke writes about Arnica as under :-
'It is especially suited to cases when any injury, however remote, seems to have caused the present trouble'
'Rhus affects fibrous tissue markedly-joints, tendons, sheaths-aponeurosis, etc, producing pains and stiffness'
Let us analyse why Rus Tox and why Not Arnica?
Any views on this.
Dr. Boericke writes about Arnica as under :-
'It is especially suited to cases when any injury, however remote, seems to have caused the present trouble'
'Rhus affects fibrous tissue markedly-joints, tendons, sheaths-aponeurosis, etc, producing pains and stiffness'
Let us analyse why Rus Tox and why Not Arnica?
Any views on this.
Rajendra last decade
Dear Rajendra
We have to read many MMs to understand the remedy correctly.
Arnica doesn't have a pain aggravated in performing an action like rising the hand.The Arnica pain is a continuous more than bearable pain, and doesn't have this specific modality.
The location, the sensation and the modality ..all the three have to match ,if a medicine has to do its job.
In fact in many cases the modality is the differentiating factor, in choosing one medicine among many.
Murthy
We have to read many MMs to understand the remedy correctly.
Arnica doesn't have a pain aggravated in performing an action like rising the hand.The Arnica pain is a continuous more than bearable pain, and doesn't have this specific modality.
The location, the sensation and the modality ..all the three have to match ,if a medicine has to do its job.
In fact in many cases the modality is the differentiating factor, in choosing one medicine among many.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
pe1 - Arnica montana] While the application of Arnica for the results of injuries covers a wide range, a few of the recent conditions only will be mentioned, as a guide in its selection: Blows, concussions and injuries by blunt instruments; muscular soreness, after operations, from manipulation of the parts, muscular pains and soreness after over-exertion and where unused muscles have been brought into play; palpitation and pain about the heart the result of excessive straining;Pierce(Plain talks on Materia Medica)
The specific action of Rhus toxicodendron, discovered by Hahnemann, in strains of muscular and tendinous parts, point it out at once as the proper remedy in this case. A dose of the third dilution (millionth) was accordingly given to be taken dissolved in water in the usual way. The patient returned on the 12th to report herself quite well.-British Journal of Homoeopathy, vol. 1, p. 36.
Rhus toxicodendron] may, in some cases, be preferred to Arnica, when the injury has been of the nature of muscular strain. (Laurie-J)
This may be of a rheumatic character, or may have been induced by straining, by heavy lifting or severe muscular exercise of any kind, or it may have been brought on by exposure to cold, especially wet cold.
[nh8 - Rhus toxicodendron] - This strained condition may not be confined to the muscles alone, but may involve the tendons, ligaments and membranes of the joints.NASH.
Rhus toxicodendron] - But it makes no particular difference what muscles are strained or exposed so as to bring on this lameness and soreness the remedy is the same.NASH.
a lot has been written about Arnica and Rhus tox,and if you study deeply you will find that Arnica is more useful for the injury while Rhus tox is more suitable when the muscles are effected by pull and not by injury by any instrument.
sajjad.
The specific action of Rhus toxicodendron, discovered by Hahnemann, in strains of muscular and tendinous parts, point it out at once as the proper remedy in this case. A dose of the third dilution (millionth) was accordingly given to be taken dissolved in water in the usual way. The patient returned on the 12th to report herself quite well.-British Journal of Homoeopathy, vol. 1, p. 36.
Rhus toxicodendron] may, in some cases, be preferred to Arnica, when the injury has been of the nature of muscular strain. (Laurie-J)
This may be of a rheumatic character, or may have been induced by straining, by heavy lifting or severe muscular exercise of any kind, or it may have been brought on by exposure to cold, especially wet cold.
[nh8 - Rhus toxicodendron] - This strained condition may not be confined to the muscles alone, but may involve the tendons, ligaments and membranes of the joints.NASH.
Rhus toxicodendron] - But it makes no particular difference what muscles are strained or exposed so as to bring on this lameness and soreness the remedy is the same.NASH.
a lot has been written about Arnica and Rhus tox,and if you study deeply you will find that Arnica is more useful for the injury while Rhus tox is more suitable when the muscles are effected by pull and not by injury by any instrument.
sajjad.
sajjadakram635 last decade
Dear Sajjad,
This is to report progress with Rhus Tox 30C. This is being taken as advised for the last 10 days and there has been 25% improvement. Please advice the future course of action.
Thanks.
This is to report progress with Rhus Tox 30C. This is being taken as advised for the last 10 days and there has been 25% improvement. Please advice the future course of action.
Thanks.
VAISHDW2 last decade
Dear Sajjad
I am experimenting with water doses on my patients, and the results are really good.
You may think of putting her on a 500ml.split water dose of Rhustox 200c.
Murthy
I am experimenting with water doses on my patients, and the results are really good.
You may think of putting her on a 500ml.split water dose of Rhustox 200c.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Sajjad,
I would request you to respond on this case so that the necessary action can be taken.
Thanks.
I would request you to respond on this case so that the necessary action can be taken.
Thanks.
VAISHDW2 last decade
Looks like Sajjad missed this thread.
Mix about 4 pellets/2 drops of Rhustox 200c, in about 250 ml. of water, and shake vigorously for a few minutes.
Take a sip out of it.
You can repeat the medicine thrice in a day, till better. Always shake the bottle well, before taking a fresh dose.
Report back after three days.
Don't add any more medicine to the bottle. Mark the water bottle as medicine and store it seperately so as others won't take it inadvertantly.
Murthy
Mix about 4 pellets/2 drops of Rhustox 200c, in about 250 ml. of water, and shake vigorously for a few minutes.
Take a sip out of it.
You can repeat the medicine thrice in a day, till better. Always shake the bottle well, before taking a fresh dose.
Report back after three days.
Don't add any more medicine to the bottle. Mark the water bottle as medicine and store it seperately so as others won't take it inadvertantly.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Rajendra
Split dose can be given for any potency. I suggested 200c, as 30c is already used, and it is better to rise the potency now.
Murthy
Split dose can be given for any potency. I suggested 200c, as 30c is already used, and it is better to rise the potency now.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Hi Murthy,
Split dose method as you described is the best and safe with the advantage that we can repeat the medicines thrice or four times daily even in chronic diseases to hasten the recovery provided the selection of the remedy is correct other wise no good.
sajjad.
Split dose method as you described is the best and safe with the advantage that we can repeat the medicines thrice or four times daily even in chronic diseases to hasten the recovery provided the selection of the remedy is correct other wise no good.
sajjad.
sajjadakram635 last decade
Yes Sajjad
First of all your remedy selection has to be atleast a similie, if not the similimum.
Even,if it is a distant remedy, the split dose will do all the good it can, and it is perfectly safe. It won't graft its own symptoms which may happen if you take unchanged potencies for days together.
However for sensitive people even the split dose need to be given with caution.
Fortunately for majority of the patients of the indian sub continent, it is not an issue.
Murthy
First of all your remedy selection has to be atleast a similie, if not the similimum.
Even,if it is a distant remedy, the split dose will do all the good it can, and it is perfectly safe. It won't graft its own symptoms which may happen if you take unchanged potencies for days together.
However for sensitive people even the split dose need to be given with caution.
Fortunately for majority of the patients of the indian sub continent, it is not an issue.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I replied that Rhus Tox 30 was used and there was 25% improvement. Now she is using 200 wet dose. I willl check and let you know regarding the improvements.
Thanks for all your help.
Thanks for all your help.
VAISHDW2 last decade
I have some good news to report. After taking Rhus Rox 200 in the wet dose for the last five days the pain has reduced by 90%. So thanks to Sajjad, Murthy and Rajendra.
One problem still remains that she is not able to lift her hand above her shoulder.
Please advice whether she should continue with the same medication and for how long or add something to it.
Eagerly waiting for your replies. Thanks.
One problem still remains that she is not able to lift her hand above her shoulder.
Please advice whether she should continue with the same medication and for how long or add something to it.
Eagerly waiting for your replies. Thanks.
VAISHDW2 last decade
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Yes continue as suggested by Mr. Murty.
Please also get your calcium level checked through some pathologist.
Please also get your calcium level checked through some pathologist.
Rajendra last decade
Dear Gavini/Rajnedra,
This is to report the progress after taking the medicine for another 4 days. The pain has almost gone now and comes once a while only.
She is also able to lift the hand more than what she was on Sep 14th and we can say that there is 50% improvement here too.
Please advise on future course.
Eagerly waiting for your response. Thanks.
This is to report the progress after taking the medicine for another 4 days. The pain has almost gone now and comes once a while only.
She is also able to lift the hand more than what she was on Sep 14th and we can say that there is 50% improvement here too.
Please advise on future course.
Eagerly waiting for your response. Thanks.
VAISHDW2 last decade
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