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Nat mur

My father aged 72years has been suffering from Angina, Diabetes, Severe Parkison, Constipation and Depression.
The depression is due to his immobility. Angina and diabetes are in control.
I checked from the Remedy Finder and Ars and Nat Mur came as good choices.
Tried Ars 30 for 10days but nothing happened.
Gave a gap of two weeks and then gave Nat Mur 6x thrice daily for one week. I have noticed a very slight change in his condition after this. I however stopped the medication after a week as I had read somewhere in this Forum that a remedy should be discontinued after a week.
My Questions:
Tomorrow will be a whole week since this remedy was stopped. Should I start again for a week from tomorrow?
He is taking Glucophage, Warfarin, Zantac and a heart medication Monis. Might these interfere with this remedy?
Is 6x a good potency? How many tablets should be given and how many times a day?
Have I done anything wrong or Ars is not his remedy?
Thanks
 
  RemedySearcher on 2007-12-02
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
probably it is the biochemic nat mur 6x you are talking about.you can continue giving this remedy for longer period of time without any worry. you can give him three pellets three times daily preferably after dissolving in some lukewarm water.in order to find the correct medicine in homeopathy i need some information about your father.please answer the following questions:
1.what is his nature.if he gets angry or not.if yes how he manages his anger.
2.does he ever say any word to express his condition.if u can tell the specific words used oftenly by him reg. his disease.
3.speak about his likings and dislikings in general and in specific.
4.speak about his life style prior to falling sick.
5kind of job he was doing prior to falling sick.
6.any major trauma or disappointment in his life.
7.any other detail relevant to him as a person may please be stated as homeopathy caters to the sick person and not to the sickness alone.
 
rssaini18 last decade
Answer above questions.
Meanwhile...you can give him Acid Picric 200C

......three doses in one day at equal intervals and then stop.

Watch results in following days.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Just for your information:

Important symptoms of Acid Picric........

Mind:

Brain Fag

Lack of will-power; disinclined to work
Dementia with prostration, sits still and listless.
mind; intellectual faculties; impaired thinking; weakness of mind;
mind; intellectual faculties; impaired thinking; imbecility;
mind; intellectual faculties; impaired thinking; dull, sluggish;
mind; mental exertion;
mind; desires, wants; sex, lustful;
Cerebral softening
Cerebral softening
Lack of will-power; disinclined to work
Dementia with prostration, sits still and listens.
Occipital pain; worse, slightest mental exertion

Extremities:

extremities, limbs; heaviness; while walking; ;
extremities, limbs; heaviness; lower limbs; ;
extremities, limbs; heaviness; lower limbs; after exertion; ;
extremities, limbs; heaviness; foot; ;
extremities, limbs; movements and positions; convulsion; on attempting to use part; ;
extremities, limbs; pain; aching; lower limbs; back part; ;
extremities, limbs; pain; burning; lower limbs; back part; ;
extremities, limbs; weakness; ---tottering; ----
extremities, limbs; weakness; lower limbs;


All above symptoms correspond with Parkinson's.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Doctors Thank you both for your replies.
Apologies for replying late as I have limited time to access the internet.
Yes you are right its the biochemic nat mur. Is there any difference between the two and what is the best potency to give him.
I have already restarted my father with 3 tablets of nat mur thrice daily directly without any water.

Your queries are answered as follows
1.what is his nature.if he gets angry or not.if yes how he manages his anger.
My father used to be a little hot tempered before his illness started. But mostly he used to get angry at my mother for any reason eg why is the door bell ringing, why is the son (me) not doing this or that. For the last 5-6years he has become very docile. But the change I noticed in the last 10 days is that he again showed his emotions after a long time. Twice or thrice he showed anger and excitement on one or two occasions.

2.does he ever say any word to express his condition. if u can tell the specific words used oftenly by him reg. his disease.
Whenever someone asks him how he is feeling he would reply : very bad or not good or that he is going (dying)
A week ago for the first time after a long time he replied 'Alhamdolilah' (All thanks to Allah)

3.speak about his likings and dislikings in general and in specific.
He has now a very limited interest i.e Sleeping, watching TV (nothing specific just channel surfing - occasionally stopping at sports channels or on a channel where girls are wearing skimpy clothes)

4.speak about his life style prior to falling sick.
He was very active and used to read newspapers, watched TV, movies, listen to songs, buying raw food and cooking, very excited about politics. Sometimes used to watch porn. Used to frequently visit his and my mom's relatives. Prayed at Mosque.

5.kind of job he was doing prior to falling sick.
He was a manger for a major airline. This illness started 3 to 4 years after his retirement.

6.any major trauma or disappointment in his life.
• Father passed away when he 1year old.
• Mother passed away when he was 10years old.
• Had to struggle in life from an early age.
• My two elder sisters were diagnosed with Fredrich’s Ataxia at the ages of 8 and 10years.
• Became diabetic in 1984 after being told by Doctors in Europe that condition of both my sisters would detoriate and they would never get well again.
• He suffered his first Heart attack in 1992.
• Retired from Job in 1994.
• My youngest sister (who is normal and whom my father loves very much) got married and went abroad with her husband in 1995.
• Second Heart attack took place same year.
• He was diagnosed with Parkinson’s in 1997.
• My 2nd eldest sister died in 1999.
• In Jan 2000 he suffered severe Angina pains. Afterwards a Angiography revealed that except for one all of his arteries were 100% blocked. Upon hearing this he went into severe depression. One from which he never has regained fully and has completly lost his will power.
• Angina Pains are now in control thanks to God as he was prescribed Crategus Q and Cactus Q which both he takes 10drops once a day for the last 6 years.
• My eldest sister died Jan ’07.
• Due to his constant complaints of leg cramps and want of change of position in bed, my mother (who has also suffered both mentally as well as physically due to my sister’s illness) has become indifferent to my father. She obviously has her own problems like insulin controlled diabetes, depression etc.

7.any other detail relevant to him as a person may please be stated as homeopathy caters to the sick person and not to the sickness alone.

Following is a paragraph that I had posted in another post two years ago.

Quote
My father is 70years old and has been suffering from PD since last five years. He first noticed that he had difficulty in walking. Then his left side started becoming weak. Gradually his condition has worsened and now for the last 2 months he can't even hold a spoon.
My father has been a diabetic for last fifteen years.
Has had two heart attacks (But heart condition is now undercontrol thanks to homeopathy).
Previously (i.e. when he was completely normal) he used to get angry a lot but ever since his PD started he has lost interest in life.
His blood pressure is mostly on the lower side.
For your info: my two elder sisters had Fredrick Ataxia, which started at the time of their puberty. Eventually my second sister died at age 35 five years ago and my eldest sister (age 42) is completely immobile on bed since last 9years. This has also had a very bad effect on my father.

He is currently taking Glucophage for diabetes.
Senimet for Parkinsons.
Monis for heart.
Ascard for blood thinning.
Zoloft for depression.

He is also taking Crategus and Cactus for his heart condition.

My father was always proactive i.e doing all the housework, shopping, his job taking care of his family, etc (he never played sports but always enjoyed cricket, hockey and football). It really hurts me to see my father in such a state that he has become totally dependent on others.

Please advice any remedy which might help him even if slightly.

Thanks n regards,
A concerned son.
UNQUOTE


Dear Pankaj,
i havent yet started your recommended remedy. Maybe you can review it after reading my replies.

Thanks.
 
RemedySearcher last decade
Correction:
Quote
In Jan 2000 he suffered severe Angina pains. Afterwards a Angiography revealed that except for one all of his arteries were 100% blocked. Upon hearing this he went into severe depression. One from which he never has regained fully and has completly lost his will power.
UNQUOTE

He went into depression as the cardiologist very clearly told him that as he was a diabetic, above 65 and his ejeaction fraction was low therefore a bypass operation was impossible and that he would have to suffer Angina attacks for the remainder of his life.

Another problem which I forgot to mention earlier is that he suffers from Chronic constipation which he's had from early childhood.
 
RemedySearcher last decade
Dear Doctors,
Still wating for your advise.
Kindly reply.
Thanks n best regards,
RS
 
RemedySearcher last decade
My recommendation remains the same.
Start the med and give feed back after 7 days. (Acid Picric).

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Infact...you can give me feed back after 3 days of giving that med. Coz I expect some changes with in that period.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dr. Pankaj,
Thank you for the reply.
Please advise if I should continue with Nat mur 6x.
Also you suggested Acid Picric 200C, three doses in one day at equal intervals and then stop. How many drops and what should be the interval.
Also will this remedy have any effect on his heart condition?
 
RemedySearcher last decade
Three drops in two spoons of water.

Acid Picric will revive his entire system....and give strength to the heart.

You have t ostop with Nat. Mur.

Pl. note for Parkinson's ...Acid Picric is a very effective medicine.

Why are you waiting so long to give it ?

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
Its now 4days since I gave the last dose of Picric 200 to my father. However till date no effect has been observed by self or any family member.

Please note that two doses of 03 drops were given with an interval of 8hours. Third dose was given after 10hours and finally a fourth dose was given after 12hours.

Waiting for your recommendation.
Regards
 
RemedySearcher last decade
Dear Remedy searcher.

It is a pretty well accepted rule amongst Homoeopaths that a remedy should never be changed while it is providing relief, as this is the surest way to loose a the remedy which may be of most value. If Nat Mur 6x (which is extremely low), was providing slight but noticable relief, then this should be given in a slightly higher potency to see if further improvement is noticed. I would recommend trying him on a 6 or 12c, three doses evenly spaced on one day, and report back any progress. If further improvement is noticed, the potency can be gradually increased in this manner until the remedy ceases to be of benefit.

There are also no 'specifics' in Homoeopathy, i.e remedies for set conditions (except in certain rare circumstances), as only the remedy best suited to the patient overall will help, and this may often cure a condition which is not even listed under the remedy, because it has simply never been noticed before.
 
Dr Organon last decade
Try to undermine my prescriptions Mr Varma, and I will intervene in yours.
 
Dr Organon last decade
Dr Organon, Pankaj,

You are both on the same side, kindly treat one another with respect. If you can't do this, then please, simply ignore one another.

Thank You,
Simon
 
moderator last decade
I have been trying to do just this since his very first unprovoked attack, but as you will see from the thread on throat problems, he will not desist in such practices, hence my comment.

I would though, for the record, have given the same advice I have above to any patient, who is my only concern. I merely decided to intervene here specifically because of Mr Varma's constant attempts at undermining my advice elsewhere.

As for our being on the same side, this is debatable. I will though be civil to anyone who is civil to me, and keeps their ego in check.
 
Dr Organon last decade
I do not though need to be moderated, as I am not a child, and will not instigate or participate in the drama which seems rife here, if others simply allow me to do what I came here for, to help those in need.
 
Dr Organon last decade
Demonstration of ego...isn't that !!
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Remedy Searcher,
Some times results come in one week to 10 days after the dose is administered.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dr Organon,

I am glad to hear that you do not need to be moderated and that you 'will not instigate or participate in the drama' from now on.

Best Wishes,
Simon
 
moderator last decade
Good to hear, although 'from now on' is not really applicable, as I never have, it is your friend here, as is evident yet again from the above post, i.e:'Demonstration of ego...isn't that !!'. I would like to know why, if I may ask, is this mans continual abuse not mentioned specifically. I see no one else engaging in such direct personal remarks, and these have been completely ignored since the moment I arrived here, and he began his supposed 'assault'.
 
Dr Organon last decade
Thank you.
 
Dr Organon last decade
Dear Doctors / Friends,
I gave my father Picric Acid 200 for almost a week but no change was noticed after which it was discontinued.

About a month ago his condition detoriated.
He stopped talking and was in some kind of daze. His mouth was open and he was just staring.
I called up his Neurologist who is out of country who told me on phone that he is probably suffering from Urine Infection. A Urine D/R confirmed that he had severe infection. A Culture was done but the antibiotics were so Toxic that the Dr. advised not to give them as they could affect his kidney function. Again another Culture was done from another lab. The two Antibiotics that were Susceptible were Amikacin and Nitrophunitoin. The Doctor prescribed both but now two weeks after the antibiotic course his culture again shows that he has infection and his concentration has not completely returned either.
I gave him a combination of Nat Mur 6x and Apis 30 for a week which got rid of the severe feet swelling but no other change was noticed. Now he looks very thin and ill.
Please advise.
Thanks n best regards,
 
RemedySearcher last decade
Dear Doctors / friends,
Another symptom that has gradually taken place (in a period of over 6 months) is that both his hands are tight fisted. He is unable to open them and his own finger nails are damaging his palms. When I try to open his hands he complains of great pain and syas that his hands will break.
Would really appreciate your suggestions.
Regards
 
RemedySearcher last decade
Doctors :Pankaj / RSSAINI / Mafhfooz / Tahira / Deoshlok /Anyone ????
 
RemedySearcher last decade
As no one has suggested anything for my father, I would like to ask if Mercury would be useful in his condition?
 
RemedySearcher last decade

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