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Fluid in lungs

Hi, can anyone help me? My mom, age 77 is in hospital with constant fluid building in her left lung. They put a catheter and it got blocked after a few days. She can not undergo surgery because she is on dialyses and is diabetic too. As of today the doctor told her she either chances the surgery or suffocates to death. PLEASE does anyone have any remedy, idea, solution to get rid of this water build up so that we can get her back on her feet? I am completely despaired at this point. Thank you so much.
 
  toberedeemed on 2008-01-05
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Murphy lists a bunch of remedies for Pulmonary Edema. A few of the major ones: Ant-t, apis, apoc, ars, bry, colch, hell, kali-c, lach, lyc, merc-s. Given that it's left sided, I would tend to think more Ant-t, or Arsenicum. Also those two remedies have more of an affinity for the lungs, but any other information that relates to her current symptoms would be helpful in better chosing a remedy. Read over those remedies and see if anything seems to fit. If you decide to try one of the remedies I would probably go with a couple doses (in water) 30c or 200c and see what response you get. Also maybe some others can give some suggestions.

Best wishes!
 
homeopathyguy last decade
As someone gives some experienced input, meanwhile try:
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girilal last decade
look like lycopodium
 
faisal qureshi last decade
Natrum Sulph. 6X

Four pills ...four times a day.

Very effective.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Nat Sulp 6x is perfect for fluid or mucus in lungs.

Second is the matchstick remedy. When chest is filled with mucus and cold enters in the chest.

I recommend both.
 
girilal last decade
Hi all, thanks for your suggestions. I checked out Ant - T and Arsenicum, don't seem to fit profile - she doesn't have any expectoration. The Lung is filled and they have to put in a second large tube to drain it. Today the doctor said it may be filled with jelly like substance (I'm suspecting he meant to say mucous but was simplifying it?). As for the Natrum Sulph. there are two differnt remedeies:Natrum Sulphurosum and Natrum Sulphuricum - which is the right one? Thanks again for your responses. I am hoping to deliver her of surgery as the doctor said she may not survive it. Again, thanks.
 
toberedeemed last decade
Can you tell us what exact symptoms related to the lungs? Difficult breathing? Any certain position better or worse, time of day, worse lying on one side? I'm guessing the lung problem is secondary to the kidney problem since she's on dialysis. Also, what was going when all this started? Anything in her life that you can think of that may have made things worse? Has she had problems with fluid in the lungs before? Does she have any other major complaints (symptoms) even if they aren't related to the lungs? (I know you mentioned the diabetes and dialysis, but symptoms are important guides just as diseases can be).

Natrum Sulphuricum is the one being referred to.
 
homeopathyguy last decade
In that case she needs Nat. Sulphuricaum 6x or 3x. Dissolve few pills in water and give her a spoonful hourly.
 
girilal last decade
Again thanks for everything. So much has happened since our last email. To answer your questions;
1- the doctors have no idea what is causing fluid in the lungs although we are believing it is a secondary effect from the dialysis. They inserted a final catheter in her several days ago and this is their last resort. They gave her a medication called dilaudin which has caused her to become delusional and paranoid. So now we are dealing with both situations. I am pretty desperate.
(2) She is often able to breath without oxygen - her saturation levels are about 94 although she is back on the oxygen at the moment.
(3) She prefers to stay on her right side but that is because it hurts her too much from those tubes they've had in her on the left side.
(4) ironically she was seemingly regaining her strength and abilities for about a month before this hit her. For the first time since her surgery removing her right kidney she was beginning to have more energy, bake cookies, etc. then she had a fever, goes into the hospital, they misdiagnose her for 10 days then they figure out she has pneumonia with fluid build up. She has never had this specific problem before.
(3) other symptoms she keeps suffering from since dialyses = lots of pains (gout like), rheumatic and arthritic (at least that's what the doctors diagnosed).
(4) she was direly disappointed that none of her children would come live with her and take care of her in her old age. she didn't take into account that 4 of her 5 children suffer from auto immune diseases themselves and could barely look after themselves. emotionally she felt abandoned and rejected but that is sadly something she's suffered since childhood - however, in her old age she has magnified it.

I think that's about it. As of today they have removed the catheter as nothing was coming out of it. However, the xrays show that she still has fluid in the lungs. Plus this paranoia and delusions have made her very vicious, mean and insulting. It is impossible to be around her for long, especially for those of us who are already suffering with our own stuff. So if there is any rememdy or combo remedies we can use to help her, you would be blessing me completely as I do not know how long I can go on like this without having another crisis of my own. Thanks so much.
 
toberedeemed last decade
sorry i forgot to add that she is unable to eat as she is nauseous every time she sees the food (again side effect of dilaudin???). she thinks people are conspiring to kill her. she even accuses us (her children) of being a part of the conspiracy. won't answer the phone because she thinks they'll track her down through it, etc. it's very, very disturbing. again thanks.
 
toberedeemed last decade
It has been 10 days...did you give her Natrum Sulph 6X ?

Your mails don't seem to say anything about it.

Dear Friend...we spend a long time here everyday...some times....relegating our personal priorities to the background.... and suggest useful stuff.

If you don't try the suggestion..I feel sorry.

She might have improved by now....if you had given her the med.

Two of us suggested the same med.

Take the suggestion lightly....and you are hurting yourself.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
P.S. ....we have seen this work in such conditions ...many many times.

You go to a homeopathic shop and they will give this med to you in a jiffy...just say Natrum. Sulph 6X.

It is a Bio-chemic remedy.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The med has no known side effects and can be given along with allopathic meds. (Natrum. Sulph 6X).
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
You can try the Natrum Sulph as others have suggested. I would also look at the possible connection with her condition getting worse from the Pneumonia. Again, Antimonium Tart. is one of the top remedies for Pneumonia. Lycopodium is also good.

Then you also have the mental state to look at which you mention paranoia, that others are conspiring against her. Suspiciousness etc. Maybe some Lachesis indications here. How long has this been going on? Did this come on after the fluid in the lungs? Or after the Pneumonia?
 
homeopathyguy last decade
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Nat.Sulph as recommended is a very good, dependable remedy. But let the patient or his relative try it. they are no giving the progress of the case and have not mentioned the usage of the Nat. Sulph. Let us wait for their response.

dr.mahfooz
 
Mahfoozurrehman last decade
Thank you again. The reason you don't hear from me regularly is that I am at the hospital daily and don't have internet access at home. I have to find places where I can come on to read this plus the energy to even do it (I suffer from stage 4 FM and CFS). Anyhow, had to order the Natrium Sulph and just got it tonight so will be starting it on her tomorrow. I will certainly keep you updated and again thanks for your time, effort and good advice.
 
toberedeemed last decade
Post feed back after 4/ 5 days use of Nat. Sulph.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
again, thanks. she's used it now for one week and so far doctors say she's o.k. how long does she need to remain on the treatment? is there a way to prevent this from returning? again, thanks all of you. now we are dealing with pains but at least it looks like she'll be on her way to convalesence soon. thanks again for your help.
 
toberedeemed last decade
Gud !!
Use for one month.
It is a med that will give great improvement.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
my father had a stroke and gets asperated pneumonia he just got over the flu he is 76 he has double pneumonia and i dont want them to drain the lung because of all the side effects he is on antibotic since tuesday and doen't seem any better except his fever is gone they arent giving him any thing to please help
 
hirstius last decade
Dialysis - fluid on the lungs - may be caused by
Dialysis-related amyloidosis.
 
Rose Blanche last decade
My mother is in the exact same condition as the original poster, she also is on kidney dialysis. I found a local supplier of Natrum. Sulph 6X, my only concern is if she can take this? I know having acute kidney failure, she is on a very strict diet which she cannot eat salts and or drink a lot of water. Her left lung is filled 3/4 of the way up and it hurts to breeth, the doctor wants to put. Lung catheter in tomorrow, plus her oxygen level is 80 without using oxygen up her nose. If you guys think it will be ok to still use the Natrum. Sulph 6X, can you tell me how exactly to use it? Need answers quickly. Thank you
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Dasanii19 last decade
Any help would be appreciated
 
Dasanii19 last decade
Please give her take 4 pellets thrice a day. She should keep tablets in her mouth until dissolved. There are no side effects from this medication and none of her dietary restrictions will break.
 
kadwa last decade

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