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Repetition of Dose and Duration
Hello all,Wanted to ask if repetition of dose increases duration of action of the remedies? Thanks.
thekind78 on 2008-07-24
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If we view each dose (repeated before the secondary action of the vital force has started) as a quantum of primary impulse that acts on the vital force, then the secondary action that follows from a greater number of doses is stronger, and hence that reaction would last longer.
However, what I have observed is that the duration of this reaction does not grow linearly with the number of doses.
However, what I have observed is that the duration of this reaction does not grow linearly with the number of doses.
sameervermani last decade
thekind78 last decade
No it does not, infact to the contrary it probably increases logarithmically :)
The duration of reaction follows more or less a law of diminishing marginal returns.
Beyond 3 or 4 doses , the increments if the duration start disappearing completely.
The duration of reaction follows more or less a law of diminishing marginal returns.
Beyond 3 or 4 doses , the increments if the duration start disappearing completely.
sameervermani last decade
Having a science(economics??) background helps to understand the concepts of homeopathy properly. :-)
Good explanation, Sammer.
Murthy
Good explanation, Sammer.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
cant we explain it using fourrier series, newton-rapson or laplace correction!! or any other finite element iterative softwares available!!!
♡ rishimba last decade
So one more 'science(engineer)' homeopath. :-)
Rishi
Jokes apart the people who have a science background can understand the different models brought forward to explain homeopathy.
I am sure most of those concepts go over the head of those who don't have a good science background.
Murthy
Rishi
Jokes apart the people who have a science background can understand the different models brought forward to explain homeopathy.
I am sure most of those concepts go over the head of those who don't have a good science background.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Hello all,
I understand that the beneficial aspects of a remedy follow a logarithmic scale as far as the duration of the benefits provided. However, I wonder if one repeats a remedy which may not be the similimum it seems as if the duration of the proving/accessory symptoms increases with each dose - perhaps not exponentially, but linearly(!) Is this the case? Am I just imagining this? In my case, taking too many doses of Nux. Which should have a duration of no more than 10-14 days - from what I read. However, I've felt it's effects for two to three months. Initially, it seemed to last the known duration, however, when I repeated the dose - erroneously, since I was still improving - the accessory symptoms seemed to last twice as long. Any thoughts much appreciated. Thank you.
I understand that the beneficial aspects of a remedy follow a logarithmic scale as far as the duration of the benefits provided. However, I wonder if one repeats a remedy which may not be the similimum it seems as if the duration of the proving/accessory symptoms increases with each dose - perhaps not exponentially, but linearly(!) Is this the case? Am I just imagining this? In my case, taking too many doses of Nux. Which should have a duration of no more than 10-14 days - from what I read. However, I've felt it's effects for two to three months. Initially, it seemed to last the known duration, however, when I repeated the dose - erroneously, since I was still improving - the accessory symptoms seemed to last twice as long. Any thoughts much appreciated. Thank you.
thekind78 last decade
murthy,
probably in the near future someone would actually find a way to quantify the vital force response to various levels of repetitions of the similimmum or a remedy close to similimmum.
this could actually be an interesting subject to do some research if its not yet done.
some homeopaths have qualitatively described the vital force responses in their literatures..but i am still to come across a book which takes the help of logarithms to explain the levels of response.
regression points could be plotted if the responses are quantified and then after curve fitting, the responses could be analysed if they are varying exponentially or to any other scale.
probably in the near future someone would actually find a way to quantify the vital force response to various levels of repetitions of the similimmum or a remedy close to similimmum.
this could actually be an interesting subject to do some research if its not yet done.
some homeopaths have qualitatively described the vital force responses in their literatures..but i am still to come across a book which takes the help of logarithms to explain the levels of response.
regression points could be plotted if the responses are quantified and then after curve fitting, the responses could be analysed if they are varying exponentially or to any other scale.
♡ rishimba last decade
Hello,
I appreciate the discussion very much. I should rephrase my original question - why/how does repetition of a dose cause provings? I understand if the potency is low enough where repetition can cause a build up of the material substance of the remedy. However, at 30c, for example, there is physically nothing left of the original compound in the remedy for it to saturate the body. However, repetition at this potency is sure to cause long lasting provings. Can anyone explain this? Thanks again. I really appreciate the discussion, it's great to hear people's takes on some of the academic aspects.
I appreciate the discussion very much. I should rephrase my original question - why/how does repetition of a dose cause provings? I understand if the potency is low enough where repetition can cause a build up of the material substance of the remedy. However, at 30c, for example, there is physically nothing left of the original compound in the remedy for it to saturate the body. However, repetition at this potency is sure to cause long lasting provings. Can anyone explain this? Thanks again. I really appreciate the discussion, it's great to hear people's takes on some of the academic aspects.
thekind78 last decade
well, let me try to explain this based on my understanding...
each dose, whether it be a material dose, a potentised material dose or just the signature dose,is like a push ( on a football ) in the direction of the disease forces.
please note that this dose is actually working in many areas of the economy based on how many symptoms it is capable of manifesting.
repetition of the doses or higher potentised doses will cause the football to attain higher velocities in the direction of the disease forces.
now, based on the vitality of the economy, curing forces are initiated at a threshold velocity of the 'football' and the vital forces overpower the actual disease forces and the pseudo disease force set out by the doses.
its not the build up of the material but the build up of the pseudo disease force which causes the proving.
lets consider there is no disease force in the economy and we are kicking the 'football' again and again to generate high pseudo force velocity in the ecomony. in that case, the vital forces will not get initiated and the ecomony will suffer the pseudo disease forces, called proving symptoms.
it may also be the case that a very high potency dose or too much repetative doses in short intervals cause the 'football' to attain very high speeds manifesting the pseudo disease force temporarily untill the vital forces gradually overpower them.
thats a close explaination i guess,
however, our question was:
whats the law which governs the vital response on each repetition of the dose, at various intervals, of remedies which are considered similimmum or otherwise.
here to many variables are there, like
- remedy type
- vital force
- potency
- repetition frequency
thus to understand the response to each variable, all but one has to be made constant and series of experiments have to be done.
this is practically impossible.
thats probably the reason why a mathematical analysis has not been done in two hundred years.
each dose, whether it be a material dose, a potentised material dose or just the signature dose,is like a push ( on a football ) in the direction of the disease forces.
please note that this dose is actually working in many areas of the economy based on how many symptoms it is capable of manifesting.
repetition of the doses or higher potentised doses will cause the football to attain higher velocities in the direction of the disease forces.
now, based on the vitality of the economy, curing forces are initiated at a threshold velocity of the 'football' and the vital forces overpower the actual disease forces and the pseudo disease force set out by the doses.
its not the build up of the material but the build up of the pseudo disease force which causes the proving.
lets consider there is no disease force in the economy and we are kicking the 'football' again and again to generate high pseudo force velocity in the ecomony. in that case, the vital forces will not get initiated and the ecomony will suffer the pseudo disease forces, called proving symptoms.
it may also be the case that a very high potency dose or too much repetative doses in short intervals cause the 'football' to attain very high speeds manifesting the pseudo disease force temporarily untill the vital forces gradually overpower them.
thats a close explaination i guess,
however, our question was:
whats the law which governs the vital response on each repetition of the dose, at various intervals, of remedies which are considered similimmum or otherwise.
here to many variables are there, like
- remedy type
- vital force
- potency
- repetition frequency
thus to understand the response to each variable, all but one has to be made constant and series of experiments have to be done.
this is practically impossible.
thats probably the reason why a mathematical analysis has not been done in two hundred years.
♡ rishimba last decade
Rishi,
Very lucid explanation. Thank you. I think with individual responses so different to homeopathic remedies, estimates on duration of action seem to be ballpark figures at best, and all relative - i.e. we know that Thuja acts longer than Coffea, however, how much longer is based on the individual. Truly amazing stuff. Thanks again.
Very lucid explanation. Thank you. I think with individual responses so different to homeopathic remedies, estimates on duration of action seem to be ballpark figures at best, and all relative - i.e. we know that Thuja acts longer than Coffea, however, how much longer is based on the individual. Truly amazing stuff. Thanks again.
thekind78 last decade
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