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8-yr old has frequent urge to Urinate(not Diabetic)

Hi,
My daughter who turned 8 this July is having a frequent urge to urinate problem. JUst to give a history of her health:

She is my oldest child, and she has a brother(6 1/2y) and a sister(4y). WHen she was a child she was quite clngy and she also used to get frequent ear infections as we stayed in cold Portland, Oregon.

The last 2 years (2007-2008) we(the kids and myself) have been in India while my husband stayed in US, as we decided that the kids schooling should be in India. The plan was my husband would join me, but that did not happen, and we are back in US with him now currently(2009). During the time we were away in India during 2007(first year away from her father) my daughter had a problem with frequent urge to urinate, which intitially was wrongly diagnosed as UTI. She was on several courses of antibiotics, which did not help. And then an other doctor diagnosed it as stress incontinence. This problem got better after a while. We came to US for the summer vacation to be with her father. And after much going back and forth it was again decided that I should go back to India with the kids. This was very tough on my daughter as she is very attached to her father. She cried and cried, and then her father came to India to drop us off there. She felt very sad that her father could not come to her birthday to India. Later in 2008 she would have frequent complains of headaches and stomach complains, and the doctors did not find any problem. They called it tension headaches. Her 1st grade in school she did very well. The 2nd year she showed less interest. Would come home with complains against her friends. She sis not like attending Yoga or Physcial training classes. She did not sing in the music class. During the end of 2008, she started to say that she falt someone else was touching her just after I toughed her. She would say she felt like screaming for no reason. All this scared me so much, and I took her to a psychiatrist who said she was having 'separation anxiety' and also she was depressed and stressed out. I changed my strict ways to be more loving and understanding ways to help my daughter. Also now we are all in US together with father. The complains about stomach aches, headaches, vomiting sensations, dizziness etc gradually went away.
We as a family are mostly loving and we also go on trips during weekends. Kids play almost every day in a nearby park, and currently they are at home awaiting to go to school in Sept 2009. So it has been an extended holiday for the kids since April - Sept.
But the last two months my daughter has the same frequent urge to urinate problem. SHe is also extremely shy in a new situation where there are new kids. she does well with just 2 friends she knows. She almost runs away from new situations with new people.

She also had the frequent thirst problem a few days back, for about a month or so. The doctor confirmed her blood glucose level is fine(95) and she does not have any thyroid problems.

ALso my daughter has a urge to eat sweet things at time. ANd there was a time(since April 2009) when she ate a lot which allowed her to gain weight about 11 pounds in 3 months.

I dissuade her to eat sweets, almost never get junk food, and make sure she goes to the park every day.

Are all her symptoms related to anxiety? SHe gets frustrated with having to urinate so many times and she cries sometimes. I have completely switched away from allopathy.

PLease can you help my daughter?
 
  mimo28 on 2009-08-21
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Hi,

Since I did not get any reply for this, and since my daughter is having a hard time especially during the night time, I decided to start her on Argentum Nitricum 30X (she is about 62 lbs) 3x3 times a day. I have not yet received the medicine yet.

If any of the doctors on tis forum want to help me out with this and guide me I would appreciate it.

Thanks.
Mimo'sMom.
 
mimo28 last decade
cherryplum bach flower medicine one drop with one tea spoon of water thrice daily for 7 days mimmulus bach flower medicine at bedtime the same way for 7 days report
 
akshaymohl last decade
Hello Dr.Mohla,

Thank You for taking the time to reply to my message.

I will start my daughter on only the medicines you have prescribed as soon as I receive them. I will report back after 7 days.

Needed a clarification should the cherryplum and mimmulus be given the same 7 days? Meaning bedtime she will be taking both cherryplum as well as the mimmulus the first 7 days, correct? If so, Can I give them one after the other right away, or should there be a waiting time after I give one medicine?

Thank You,
And Glod Bless!
Mimo'sMom.
 
mimo28 last decade
These are indeed all symptoms of juvenile diabetes. Are you sure you don't want to get a second medical opinion?
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
I recently(beginning of August) had my a full well-child checkup for my daughter with a pediatrician and also had a fasting blood glucose test done. The glucose level was 95. There was no urine test done though. Also doctor checked her thyroid (feeling her neck) and said she did not seem to have a thyroid problem. Should I have another blood glucose test done, just to be sure? I just did not want my daughter to go through the experience of getting her blood drawn, as she is terrified of injections. I had to hold her in my lap, and another nurse holding down, a 2nd nurse got the blood drawn.

My daughter had similarly reacted to having eye drops instilled in her eye for a regular eye check up also last year. Two nurses had to hold her down. ANd this reaction was in fact 'after' seeing her brother getting the eyedrops instilled before her in a very calm way.

She is very scared of pain and she stops listening to any thing I say once she gets scared.

One other thing I also wanted to mention in terms of her symptoms: DUring the 2nd standard begining my daughter's handwriting changed to very huge and loopy. She wrote fairly neatly in print before that. I though it was starnge. ALso she makes many spelling mistakes and sometimes spell the same word different ways in the same sitting of writing.

She is good in maths. Also she is very imaginative and draws a lot of pictures usually these are of happy girls/fairies/ponies/etc. And all her pictures are based on the stories she makes up of friendship and of family.

There have been many times in India (away from her father) when she described that 'she does not feel well' but she cannot describe what it is. She would say - 'I have that feeling mom, but I don't know what it is'.
She *has* gradually reduced saying that now that we are all together.

There was a time in May - June 2009 when she said that her brain is telling her to do something 'wrong' and when I asked her about it she said she felt like she should steal something in the store/ or push something down/destroy something. I had told her that the mind produces lots of thoughts and sometimes bad ones and that we should just ignore it. This happened a couple of times, and I gave her reply she had the power to make 'right choice'. This has not happened ever since.

She talks about wanting to be small and not wanting to grow big, as she thinks growing big is associated with going to 'office'.

She gets extremely scared of scary pictures if she ever encounters them(like in video rental stores, magazines-like the anti-tobacco ad had a slanted eyes scary face on the cigarette etc).
The 'Koi Mil gaya' hindi movie which had a an alien scared her too, while her siblings enjoyed it mostly.

She still sleeps with me and we have not been able to get her to sleep in a different bed because of her fears. Also she needs someone to wait outside the restroom even in broad day light and that too in an apartment.

She is extremely shy, and does not initiate the conversation with a new friend or a friend she had not seen for a while.
She replies in a very shy way when asked something.
She is not very confident and loses her confidence if she fails. Example she labelled herself a 'failure' when she lost a race with me although it supposed to be for fun and given the fact that I am an adult with longer legs than her.

I am a positive person and do not use negative labels if my children don't do well in anything. My husband and I keep telling them to practice or to 'try again' or 'not give up'
We encourage without being overly pushy or anxious about success/winning.

My daughter laughs sometimes too loudly at jokes almost falling backwards in get-together at friends house. She plays well otherwise.

At home she gets bossy and angry at her 4-year sister, She is also affectionate and plays dress up with her li'l sister. She gets irritable and angfry in a snappy way when she is hungry/thirsty/or when she needs to urinate many times.

I hope I have covered enough symptoms for a proper understanding. ALso many of her symptoms during the time we were away from her father has gradually reduced since April 2009 after we came to US to stay with her father.

But I still feel that there is something in her nature that feels like she needs help other than just words of advice and loving guidance from us- her parents.

God Bless.
Mimo'sMom.
 
mimo28 last decade
Dr. Mohla,

Just to give you an update:

I received the medicine you prescribed yesterday and started my daughter on CherryPlu 1 drop in 1 tsp water, no food or drink 30 mins before or after.

Then we went to park. Amazingly she did not mention that she had to urinate for about an hour. And after that she went one time and then sis not mention it again. SHe played very cheerfully, and running around the park with her friends to my amazement!

After a while I think she got tired she came to me and said that she twisted her foot, so she wanted to go hide somewhere where no one will disturb her. I told her she did not have to hide but could let anyone who wanted to play that she had twisted her foot.

ALso she mentioned she felt like vomiting.

After we came home, she saw my and y husband hug and kiss(he was just back from office) and she just pretended no to see that and went and sat in the doorway of a room. So I just jokingly said that she could come out and we were done kissing. To that she started to cry out loud, calling me 'bad' and when I asked her if she felt bad that her father and I were kissing she replied that it was not that and that she had a 'headache and vomiting sensation.' Now these two complains she would make during the tie when we were away from her father in India very often after coming from school.


Later when her father asked her she told that she felt 'j' meaning she feels jealous anytime she sees me and her father kissing each other. She seems less emotional with my husband most of the time than with me.

Then I had to go for a meditation sitting she would not let me go. She bacame clingy and said she does not feel well etc. Her father asked e to go. WHen She looked at me while clinging to me her eyes were wide and as though terrified of something.

I have left her with her father before to go to satsangh, and she never objected to it, and would even notice sometimes that I am leaving. SO this time it was different.

I could not give her the cherryplum and mimulus drop last night because she had gone to sleep when I came back.

AUG 27th morning 8:00am: I gave her another drop of cherryplum. She was doing ok, and chatting cheerfully with her sis and bro and making pics. My husband just jokingly said that he would punish her for not doing the math homework yesterday, and asked her to stretch her hand out for 'punishment'. I knew he was joking as we seldom hit out kids for punishment. We do not even normally use the word punishment. I do ot know what made my husband do that. She smiled initially but when he insisted that she hold her hand out she suddenly started to cry and her headaches and vomiting sensations came back.

Her headache is at the top and back of her head she says, and then it moves to the forehead, and then side of her forehead above her eyebrow.

She lay down saying she did not want to eat her breakfast, and after a while she came to me and said she was hungry.

She needs lots of love and affection and I think just a reassurance that she is loved- and she is quite demanding about that sometime too. In fact she needs so much attention that sometime I forget her bro who is much calmer and do not make much demands of anybody.

She often compares herself with her bro or sis and tells me that I don't love her much as them/ or that I pay more attention to them/ or that I laugh more at her bro's jokes than hers. While I feel strongly that I do not discriminate at all!

Good News: she has so far not mentioned the frequent need to urinate! This to me is miraculous.

Q: Should I still continue the cherryplum for the 7 days?

Also there seems to be a lot of other underlying issues as is seen with her 'headaches and vomiting sensations'.

Q: How can she be helped with her headaches/vomiting sensations as they do disappear after consoling her, but seems she is suffering very much while she is having those symptoms?

Thank You very much,

God Bless!
M's Mom
 
mimo28 last decade
Dr. Mohla,

(Sorry about the many typos in my previous post.)

I wanted to mention that my daughter has a tendency to hold her feelings inside and then it turns into physical symptoms. Whether these physical symptoms are real or imagined I cannot say, but when my daughter sometimes cries then I tend to believe that she is actually feeling them. But there are times when she suddenly comes up with the same 'headaches and vomiting sensation' symptoms when she is upset/scared/ I tend to think maybe she is using them as a crutch to a actually hide her true feelings.

So Dr. Mohla, should I continue the Cherryplum for her? She has not one time so far mentioned about the bothersome urge to urinate, after the first 2 doses of CherryPlum drops.

Thank You.
M.
 
mimo28 last decade
pl continue for 7 days report on akshaymohl at yahoo.co.in which is my mail at profile i will send you questioare for this .
 
akshaymohl last decade
Dr. Mohla:

I gave my daughter the Cherry Plum and Mimulus as you had prescribed and here is the collected notes:

Aug 26: 1 dose cheeryplum afternoon
Worked miracle. Problem seemed to disappear.
Night: crying,
Crying, Vomiting and Headache sensations after being upset ('jealous after seeing parents Kissing')

Aug 27th. Regular dosing as suggested.(including Mimulus 1 dose at night)
Morning very calm. Until vomiting and headache sensations after father joked about punishment for not doing homework.

Afternoon and evening 2 mention of need to go to loo.
Night worsened. But although not as intense as before medicine.

Aug 28th: Morning 1-time mention of visiting loo(after going) right before medicine.
After medicine: playing.

Aug 29
Aug 30
Aug 31: Saw her consume more milk than before. At night we watched a children's movie that was scary.
But this time her fear was much more normal level than before.
Afternoon had to wish her friend Happy birthday.
Took a few prompting for her to do that.
She felt kind of upset, and then she wanted to eat sweets.

SO far:
Seen a decrease in intensity of frequent urge to urinate problem after dosing.
Problem starts again at right about the time of the next dosage.
Night time the problem is more pronounced.

Sept 1: (7th day)I was too caught up with some work and did *not* give morning or afternoon dosing. But there was no complain of urge to urinate or wanting to drink water every few mins.

Gave her first dosing at 3:00pm. She started to complain of urge to urinate not going away.

on and off complain rest of evening.

Gave her night dosage: And immediately she started to have urge to urinate frequently. Also wanting to drink water every few mins before going to bed. This drinking water problem was not present for quite some time now. Looks like both problem came back.
----------End of Notes--------

Dr. Mohla, What should I do now?

Thank You for all your help.
God Bless.
M.
 
mimo28 last decade
pl give medicine every alternate day and report after 7 days pl stop mimmulus if no fear report about fear and urination frequency j k mohla
 
akshaymohl last decade

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