to 'wakeupsid'

Thanks for the thread, Neil.

Yes. Infact it would be really nice if we all could exchange some meaningful information about homeopathy.

Gavini got me confusing with his interpretation of potentization and his quote on hahnemann about not carring medicines on horse backs since they galop and that increases potency beyond limits.

Please improve if possible my understanding on potencies.

Mother tinctures are potencies between 1c to 6c according to gavini when dispensed in 30 ml water with some stering. ?

Of what i know about potentization, you prepare 1C with dilution and succusion and then again repeat the dilution and succusion process.

Is it possible to 1. Make 2. Increase the potency by sterring? Can Sterring without dilution increase potency?

Also, If at all there is an unknown potency, how do we know what it is?

I know about fluxion and jumping potency from 6X to 8X but use still need to dilute it.

Givini's name has been used here in context for reference and not as a continuation of a combat.

I will appreciate an open response to the 'Potentization' Process and our understanding of potencies.

How do we increase the potency? By shaking or sterring or dilution and hand succusion.

And if we do increase the 'potency' how do we know what do we have in hand?

I will like your comments on this.

HAHAHA.. Martini 1C (Single Dose) No repeatitions. And then wait and watch the effect. Ek dose se kuch hota hai? formermember?

I mean Martini 1C One dose not homeopathic medicine one dose. If I say something close enough to be against classical H, it will be my nemesis. Right Gavini?

By the way my question still reminas to be answered clearly.

Potency is increased by a formulated method of dilution and hand succusion.

Can potency increase by stirring or shaking with a given liquid? And if yes what would it be like and how will we come to know of it? All my scientist friends.

Note: Hahnemann has been quoted referring to increase in potency if liquid is transported on a horse back to long distance because of galopping.

And no heavy duty cut paste please .

You just called me What?...An Agent?

If you want an answer to this I am very capable to do this.

§ 272 Sixth Edition

Such a globule, placed dry upon the tongue, is one of the smallest doses for a moderate recent case of illness. Here but few nerves are touched by the medicine. A similar globule, crushed with some sugar of milk and dissolved in a good deal of water and stirred well before every administration will produce a far more powerful medicine for the use of several days. Every dose, no matter how minute, touches, on the contrary, many nerves.

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Note the word stirring. By stirring without diluting further the dynamisation increases slightly which is mandatory if we want to repeat the medicine.

Mathemetically speaking a 200c may become 200.01C if you stir for 10 times, 200.02 if you stir for 20 times. The figures are just for understanding the phenomena that happens when you use stirring alone without further dilution.

Repetetion of unchanged dry potencies is prohibited by Hahn.

By following the simple technique as told above the same remedy solution can be used for prolonged periods when necessary.

I have experimented enough with this method to be sure that stirring alone does increase the potency, albeit slightly.

Murthy

* ‘It is only in this form [i.e. dry pills] that the homeopathic medicines can be sent to the most distant parts, without any alteration of their powers, which is impossible to be done in their fluid form; for in that case the medicinal fluid, which has already been sufficiently potentized during the preparation (by two succussions at each dilution), receives an enormous number of additional succussions during the transport, and they are so highly potentized during a long journey, that on their arrival they are scarcely fit for use...’ &c, as stated by Coulter above. [Lesser Writings, pp.735-6]

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Perhaps some of you never read this book.

The book is available with BJAIN. Purchase and read it.

Murthy

Thanks Gavini. That was informative.

I appreciate your efforts in exploring the tresures.

Just one question.

The increase in potency has been advocated in liquid form only or in pills/solid form as well?

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It is only in this form [i.e. dry pills] that the homeopathic medicines can be sent to the most distant parts, without any alteration of their powers

And if its only in liquid form . Why? Even in powder/pill form they should be subjected to kinetic energy of motion.

I have a library of over 200 books that span the writers of all generations..

Hahn. Boening. Dunham.Allen..hering. Farrington..Gurensy..Clarke..Kent..Nash..Koppikar..Vithoulkas..Dr.Luc..Dr.Vijayakar.

The list is only indicative and not exhaustive.

Besides that I have access to 300 more books via softwares.

I am an avid reader. As I said earlier I don't read for pass marks , but to understand homeopathy properly.

In 99 percent of the cases I can give reliable references to whatever I say, that too quickly as I remember where I read that particular information.

I firm up my opinions and put before public only after I practice it. That is the reason behind my convictions.

Murthy

Dry pellets can't absorb the kinetic energy. Liquids absorb it.

That is the reason all potencies are first made in liquid form. The sugar pellets are subsequently moistened to make the dry pills.

Physics students can understand it better.

Murthy

Hi Formermeber

I have been amused by much better jokers than you. Continue so that everyone can enjoy your foolish pranks.

Murthy

I think we all can learn a lot from you. Please go continue your informative posts

Dry pellets can't absorb the kinetic energy. Liquids absorb it.

What is your opinion on dry power and trituration. Thats not liquid.

FM,

I have tried this debate and this is endless. Finally I decided to utilise this forum for better things like discussing the art and science of homeopathy and what people feel about it.

This might be really interesting. Want to join in ?

WUS

In trituration you are supposed to rub the pestle very hard and for a long time so as there is enough friction generated. Solids can absorb some energy that is given to them in the form of heat. The rubbing is basically to ensure that the metal/insoluble material is thoroughly mixed with the sugar of milk (vehicle) as well as to generate the friction. Plain heating of the metal and the milk of sugar won't help, as they remain two seperate entities.

Trituration is a process developed by Hahn. to potensise materials like metals which are insoluble in water. He found that after making upto 3X by trituration, all hitherto insoluble materials can be further potensised by the normal process of dilution and succussion as any other soluble material.

Murthy

Thanks.

Hi FM

Empty vessels make much noise.

If your degrees made you more knowledgeable than me prove it here by joining this discussion.

Prove me wrong and win the accolades of visitors here.

Don't make a fool of yourself before the visitors.

This is my sincere advice to you.

Murthy

One-third of one hundred grains sugar of milk is put in a glazed porcelain mortar, the bottom dulled previously by rubbing it with fine, moist sand. Upon this powder is put one grain of the powdered drug to be triturated (one drop of quicksilver, petroleum, etc.). The sugar of milk used for dynamization must be of that special pure quality that is crystallized on strings and comes to us in the shape of long bars. For a moment the medicines and powder are mixed with a porcelain spatula and triturated rather strongly, six to seven minutes, with the pestle rubbed dull, then the mass is scraped from the bottom of the mortar and from the pestle for three to four minutes, in order to make it homogeneous. This is followed by triturating it in the same way 6 - 7 minutes without adding anything more and again scraping 3 - 4 minutes from what adhered to the mortar and pestle. The second third of the sugar of milk is now added, mixed with the spatula and again triturated 6 - 7 minutes, followed by the scraping for 3 - 4 minutes and trituration without further addition for 6 - 7 minutes. The last third of sugar of milk is then added, mixed with the spatula and triturated as before 6 -7 minutes with most careful scraping together. The powder thus prepared is put in a vial, well corked, protected from direct sunlight to which the name of the substance and the designation of the first product marked /100 is given. In order to raise this product to /10000, one grain of the powdered /100 is mixed with the third part of 100 grains of powdered sugar of milk and then proceed as before, but every third must be carefully triturated twice thoroughly each time for 6 -7 minutes and scraped together 3 -4 minutes before the second and last third of sugar of milk is added. After each third, the same procedure is taken. When all is finished, the powder is put in a well corked vial and labelled /10000, i.e., (I), each grain containing 1/1,000,000 the original substance. Accordingly, such a trituration of the three degrees requires six times six to seven minutes for triturating and six times 3 -4 minutes for scraping, thus one hour for every degree. After one hour such trituration of the first degree, each grain will contain 1/000; of the second 1/10,000; and in the third 1/1,000,000 of the drug used.* Mortar and spatula must be cleaned well before they are used for another medicine. Washed first with warm water and dried, both mortar and pestle, as well as spatula are then put in a kettle of boiling water for half an hour. Precaution might be used to such an extent as to put these utensils on a coal fire exposed to a glowing heat.

* These are the three degrees of the dry powder trituration, which if carried out correctly, will effect a good beginning for the dynamization of the medicinal substance.

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§ 270 Sixth Edition

Murthy

Hi FM

This is what you said.

'we are supposed to rub 33 minutes clockwise.then 33 minutes anti clock then 33 minutes clock wise again ! I'm sure i read this somewhere....'

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You are sure you read it somewhere, but can't give any reference. That is because it is not true and just hearsay.

Now compare it with the way I give information. I would have appreciated your PG degree if you happen to be sound in fundamentals.

It is unfortunate that you know nothing about the fundamentals of homeopathy, despite your PG.

Have you ever read Organon from cover to cover? Can you quote from it, explain the postulates and debate over them?

You can't because you mugged up some postulates of Organon for examination sake and forgot about it once you got your degrees.

That is not the case with us. We read everyday to improve our knowledge.

Enough for now.

Murthy