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Lichen Planus
My name is Sam. (woman)I have just been diagnosed with Oral Lichen Planus. I am 58. I do not smoke and drink wine very little. I take a lot of exercise and eat mostly organic foods. My gums have been red in patches for a few years with no pain. But then lesions developed at the back on the inside of my cheek, worse on my right side where I have a gold cap. It is sore to put my tongue out and the lesions are very sore. I have given up drinking all alcohol, spicy food, sour fruit, tomatoes. I am due to have allergy tests in three weeks time. I have tried Aresen Alb 6x for two weeks with no improvement. I used to chew the inside of my lips, it began in childhood and continued from time to time until a few years ago. I developed acute nummula excema ten years ago when my duaghter was very ill (from the stress) but this is very minimul now. reemergeing as tiny blisters mostly round my ankles, which a moisturizer clears up within a few days. If I have no allergys I will be put on a course of topical steroids. I would like to give homeopathy a try first. Lichen Planus suggests an autoimmune or genetic problemI think. I'm taking zinc and Echinasia and using aloe vera both as a gel topically and as a drink. I would welcome suggestions. Sam McColl
Tephi on 2010-02-24
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Parakletos.
Hello Sam.
I'll try and see if I can find the right medicine for you. The most important person in this 'detective' work is you. You are 'eyewitness' in this case, and is in possession of important information. So I want to ask you some questions that I hope you can answer. Ok? :-)
First of all I will ask you if you had a good childhood? Or if there was some stress in your childhood?
Can you say you agree with this? Tongue very red and dry in the center. Covered with thick, white coat Pasty; in the morning thick and yellow. Painful to move the tongue, increased saliva. Flow of clear water in mouth. Profuse spitting.
Or a thick white coating on the tongue as if there is snow?
How do you like to be alone?
Would you say that you have an aggravation of alcohol, especially wine?
We can start with this.
Yours Mr.P
Hello Sam.
I'll try and see if I can find the right medicine for you. The most important person in this 'detective' work is you. You are 'eyewitness' in this case, and is in possession of important information. So I want to ask you some questions that I hope you can answer. Ok? :-)
First of all I will ask you if you had a good childhood? Or if there was some stress in your childhood?
Can you say you agree with this? Tongue very red and dry in the center. Covered with thick, white coat Pasty; in the morning thick and yellow. Painful to move the tongue, increased saliva. Flow of clear water in mouth. Profuse spitting.
Or a thick white coating on the tongue as if there is snow?
How do you like to be alone?
Would you say that you have an aggravation of alcohol, especially wine?
We can start with this.
Yours Mr.P
Parakletos. last decade
Thank you for this.
No my childhood was unhappy, and complex. I was bullied my my older sister who was bullied by my father. I was a good child so my feelings were very confused. I felt sorry for my sister and hid the bullying towards me as far as I could as she would have been beaten for it. My parents died in a car crash and the bullying from my sister intensified. I continued to chose bullies which I craved to help for parteners long into adulthood. I went into therapy at 38 and gave up my husband, my sister and cigarettes. I began to understand my part in the scenario. I brought my children up sucessfully on my own to begin with and after a few years with a new husband who is as good and kind and my last was sick and unkind. I have had 15years of settled happiness and now mentor adicts and write novels about disfunctional families. No my tongue is not red or pasty it is healthy looking. The Lichen Planus has affected the underside of my tongue which causes it to be stiff and painful to move. But the really painful lesions are by my back teeth on the inside of my cheeks. My gums are very bright red. I write alone and am happy to be alone - although happier to share sparetime with friends and my husband as I work long hours alone. I have stopped drinking wine as my doctor suggested, but I don't have an aggrevation of it.
Yours
Sam
No my childhood was unhappy, and complex. I was bullied my my older sister who was bullied by my father. I was a good child so my feelings were very confused. I felt sorry for my sister and hid the bullying towards me as far as I could as she would have been beaten for it. My parents died in a car crash and the bullying from my sister intensified. I continued to chose bullies which I craved to help for parteners long into adulthood. I went into therapy at 38 and gave up my husband, my sister and cigarettes. I began to understand my part in the scenario. I brought my children up sucessfully on my own to begin with and after a few years with a new husband who is as good and kind and my last was sick and unkind. I have had 15years of settled happiness and now mentor adicts and write novels about disfunctional families. No my tongue is not red or pasty it is healthy looking. The Lichen Planus has affected the underside of my tongue which causes it to be stiff and painful to move. But the really painful lesions are by my back teeth on the inside of my cheeks. My gums are very bright red. I write alone and am happy to be alone - although happier to share sparetime with friends and my husband as I work long hours alone. I have stopped drinking wine as my doctor suggested, but I don't have an aggrevation of it.
Yours
Sam
Tephi last decade
Hello again.
You said in your first post that you used to chew on your lip, inside. This is a typical symptom of stress. Either chew lips, nails, fingers, grinding teeth, etc.
Do you have any such symptoms, or other similar symptoms, now?
Can you tell me a little about your personality.
How is your mood?
How are you mentally ?
What do you like to eat sweet or salty?
And what kind of food do you like best?
Just to make it clear, started these problems with your tongue, after your daughter was sick? Or did you get it after acute nummula excema? Or was it before all this?
Parakletos
You said in your first post that you used to chew on your lip, inside. This is a typical symptom of stress. Either chew lips, nails, fingers, grinding teeth, etc.
Do you have any such symptoms, or other similar symptoms, now?
Can you tell me a little about your personality.
How is your mood?
How are you mentally ?
What do you like to eat sweet or salty?
And what kind of food do you like best?
Just to make it clear, started these problems with your tongue, after your daughter was sick? Or did you get it after acute nummula excema? Or was it before all this?
Parakletos
Parakletos. last decade
Thank you
No I don't have any such stress symptoms now.
How is my mood?
I think my moods are now appropriate to my envirronment. I have a good life and feel grateful and happy. If things go wrong I do get worried,and I still have tendancies to revert to the ways I dealt with stress as a child, but I have learnt many ways to control my stress levels and impliment CBT a lot in all aspects of my life. I understand myself well I would say. I would say I'm an optimistic happy person. I can feel low if i am in pain.
I eat mostly savory - though I do like sweet things too. I have learnt to moderate my eating and all aspects of my life to give me a heathly lifestyle.
I guess I love all savory things - I don't eat much meat and only organic. I do love dark chocolate too, berries, fruit...
My red gums appeared about 6 years after my daughter got ill. So also six years after I got numulla excema. The tongue and cheek aspect of Lichen Planus has only been present these last six months.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot.
No I don't have any such stress symptoms now.
How is my mood?
I think my moods are now appropriate to my envirronment. I have a good life and feel grateful and happy. If things go wrong I do get worried,and I still have tendancies to revert to the ways I dealt with stress as a child, but I have learnt many ways to control my stress levels and impliment CBT a lot in all aspects of my life. I understand myself well I would say. I would say I'm an optimistic happy person. I can feel low if i am in pain.
I eat mostly savory - though I do like sweet things too. I have learnt to moderate my eating and all aspects of my life to give me a heathly lifestyle.
I guess I love all savory things - I don't eat much meat and only organic. I do love dark chocolate too, berries, fruit...
My red gums appeared about 6 years after my daughter got ill. So also six years after I got numulla excema. The tongue and cheek aspect of Lichen Planus has only been present these last six months.
Hope this helps
Thanks a lot.
Tephi last decade
A bit more about your mood. Can you tell me a little about how it was before the therapy. Were you angry, or crying easily. etc?
I do not want to say anything negative about the therapy you've gone through, but from a homeopatisk point of view it may seem as though you suppressed your feelings? Every time your feelings arise, you have learned a way to press them. Can this be correct?
According to homeopathy, all humans are in possession of an active force, energy. Flowing freely in the blood. Different reasons can cause blockages so that energy can no longer flow freely. This causes variouse symptoms may occur, in mood, mentally and physically. This is how our body expresses itself, our defense system tries by these symptoms to tell us where the blockage is. And so it is up to the doctor and patient to find the medicine that can remove the blockade. that the energy once again can flow freely.
If you then, for example, with allopatiske medications, suppress these symptoms, it is difficult to find a proper remedie. different therapies may also have the same suppressive effect. On your mind.
What happens then, the symptoms occur elsewhere and in other forms. For example, a child may have an eczema, “doctor allopat” provide some remedie to lubricate the eczema. Eczema disappeared, but some time afterwards, the child gets an attack of Asthma. No one understands why, but they think it must be because of something in the house, or pollution, or the cat or dog, or blah blah blah ... but in fact it may be the result of suppression of symptoms.
Why do I tell this to you? Just so you get an idea of how your body works. According to homeopathy.
Parakletos
I do not want to say anything negative about the therapy you've gone through, but from a homeopatisk point of view it may seem as though you suppressed your feelings? Every time your feelings arise, you have learned a way to press them. Can this be correct?
According to homeopathy, all humans are in possession of an active force, energy. Flowing freely in the blood. Different reasons can cause blockages so that energy can no longer flow freely. This causes variouse symptoms may occur, in mood, mentally and physically. This is how our body expresses itself, our defense system tries by these symptoms to tell us where the blockage is. And so it is up to the doctor and patient to find the medicine that can remove the blockade. that the energy once again can flow freely.
If you then, for example, with allopatiske medications, suppress these symptoms, it is difficult to find a proper remedie. different therapies may also have the same suppressive effect. On your mind.
What happens then, the symptoms occur elsewhere and in other forms. For example, a child may have an eczema, “doctor allopat” provide some remedie to lubricate the eczema. Eczema disappeared, but some time afterwards, the child gets an attack of Asthma. No one understands why, but they think it must be because of something in the house, or pollution, or the cat or dog, or blah blah blah ... but in fact it may be the result of suppression of symptoms.
Why do I tell this to you? Just so you get an idea of how your body works. According to homeopathy.
Parakletos
Parakletos. last decade
hello
Before therapy (20 years ago), I was denying so many of my feelings, so desperate to see the optimistic side of the people I surrounded myself with. I never owned up to being deeply unhappy - I always chose very damaged people to surround myself with, so I always felt better off than they were. During therapy I slowly saw how horrible my life had been, I saw how I needed to have damaged people around me to make me feel there was some point to my life - it was all that I had known. During therapy and for several years after I spent a lot of my time crying - it was like a discovery of a person I'd never seen before. I cried and cried and cried. For perhaps four years I cried. With help, I began to see a part of myself as a lovely child who had never known love and to develop a strong wise parent who would listen to her needs and look after her from now on. I began to take great care of myself - I removed myself from all things and people who harmed me: my sister, my husband, cigarrette smoking, and even friends who I felt challenged me to in some way prove myself to them. I began to surround myself only with things that felt good. By saying that I have learnt through therapy to control my feelings, I don't mean supress them. I mean that when something negative hapens now I try and see it against the safe and secure envirronment I now live in. I accept it as something that will pass, something that can be resolved, or something that I can't do anything about and then I will try to accept it and know that the sad feelings I have will pass too. I don't always get things right and when i don't, I have a tendancy to be hard on myself, but now I have ways of forgiving myself, of telling myself it is human to get things wrong, of not sensationiseing life and tunnelling down 'all or nothing' thought patterns. I try to understand that I've had a difficult history and that now i'm quite quite safe. I always express my anger but not in an angry way - I try to be heard. My husband would tell you that I hold absolutely nothing in, that I am an open book. Far too open perhaps - I think sometimes it drives him crazy!! I know that it might sound like my excema and my Lichen Planus might be supression of stress. But if it is, I'm unaware of it. Thank you for your interest.
Before therapy (20 years ago), I was denying so many of my feelings, so desperate to see the optimistic side of the people I surrounded myself with. I never owned up to being deeply unhappy - I always chose very damaged people to surround myself with, so I always felt better off than they were. During therapy I slowly saw how horrible my life had been, I saw how I needed to have damaged people around me to make me feel there was some point to my life - it was all that I had known. During therapy and for several years after I spent a lot of my time crying - it was like a discovery of a person I'd never seen before. I cried and cried and cried. For perhaps four years I cried. With help, I began to see a part of myself as a lovely child who had never known love and to develop a strong wise parent who would listen to her needs and look after her from now on. I began to take great care of myself - I removed myself from all things and people who harmed me: my sister, my husband, cigarrette smoking, and even friends who I felt challenged me to in some way prove myself to them. I began to surround myself only with things that felt good. By saying that I have learnt through therapy to control my feelings, I don't mean supress them. I mean that when something negative hapens now I try and see it against the safe and secure envirronment I now live in. I accept it as something that will pass, something that can be resolved, or something that I can't do anything about and then I will try to accept it and know that the sad feelings I have will pass too. I don't always get things right and when i don't, I have a tendancy to be hard on myself, but now I have ways of forgiving myself, of telling myself it is human to get things wrong, of not sensationiseing life and tunnelling down 'all or nothing' thought patterns. I try to understand that I've had a difficult history and that now i'm quite quite safe. I always express my anger but not in an angry way - I try to be heard. My husband would tell you that I hold absolutely nothing in, that I am an open book. Far too open perhaps - I think sometimes it drives him crazy!! I know that it might sound like my excema and my Lichen Planus might be supression of stress. But if it is, I'm unaware of it. Thank you for your interest.
Tephi last decade
Nothing arises from nothing. Not even the universe, even if someone tries to convince us of this. Therefore, your complaints, hereinafter referred to as symptoms, have an origin from something.
I start from the beginning, very important to get information about how you are it right now. Remember to answer with simple words. By the way, do you have a tendency to talk a lot?
Describe, but simple words, your mood. Not the way you think it should be, but as it actually is.
Tell me, with simple words, how are you mentally? Forgetful, confused, unclear thoughts, or anything else.
Your physical symptoms, can you explain a little more about them. What kind of pain do you experience burning, stinging, cutting, or how would you describe it?
Are there any other symptoms that you want to talk about?
Parakletos
I start from the beginning, very important to get information about how you are it right now. Remember to answer with simple words. By the way, do you have a tendency to talk a lot?
Describe, but simple words, your mood. Not the way you think it should be, but as it actually is.
Tell me, with simple words, how are you mentally? Forgetful, confused, unclear thoughts, or anything else.
Your physical symptoms, can you explain a little more about them. What kind of pain do you experience burning, stinging, cutting, or how would you describe it?
Are there any other symptoms that you want to talk about?
Parakletos
Parakletos. last decade
No I am not a great talker, but I write novels, so I love words.I am a mentor for drug addicts and vulnerable adults and children so I think hard about the human mind and condition.
My mood is good, almost always. But if difficulties arise I get concerned, sad etc.
I am not forgetful or confused. I am clear thinking as a rule.
The pain inside my cheek is sharp, burning, it feels like the muscle that allows my mouth to open wide is constricted. My tongue has a pricking, pulling, crackling sensation when I move it on the underside.
I get migraine headaches sometimes that last for twelve to twenty four hours. They do not appear at times of stress, but randomly - sometimes they come on during the night.
No other symptoms.
Thank you very much for your interest.
My mood is good, almost always. But if difficulties arise I get concerned, sad etc.
I am not forgetful or confused. I am clear thinking as a rule.
The pain inside my cheek is sharp, burning, it feels like the muscle that allows my mouth to open wide is constricted. My tongue has a pricking, pulling, crackling sensation when I move it on the underside.
I get migraine headaches sometimes that last for twelve to twenty four hours. They do not appear at times of stress, but randomly - sometimes they come on during the night.
No other symptoms.
Thank you very much for your interest.
Tephi last decade
Hello again, Sam.
Have been a little busy this weekend, but thought some of your case.
There is a homeopathic medicine which has similar symptoms as you have described. In relation to the mouth / tongue.
write down a number of symptoms, and you can see if they match with your.
1. The buccal cavity, the back of the mouth and the tongue tend to be dry, sometimes with burning.
2. A sore - aching spot at the palate, the roof of the mouth.
3. Leg cramps at night.
4. Fear of being alone at night?
5. Inner restlessness, hurried feeling?
6. Sometimes stuttering, stammering.
7. fear that something bad is going to happen?
8. Great sensitivity two injustice?
9. Excessive sympathy for others' suffering?
10. Long - lasting grief with a deep unexpressed sorrow.
can you be so kind and look at these, let me answer whether any of the votes.
Parakletos.
Have been a little busy this weekend, but thought some of your case.
There is a homeopathic medicine which has similar symptoms as you have described. In relation to the mouth / tongue.
write down a number of symptoms, and you can see if they match with your.
1. The buccal cavity, the back of the mouth and the tongue tend to be dry, sometimes with burning.
2. A sore - aching spot at the palate, the roof of the mouth.
3. Leg cramps at night.
4. Fear of being alone at night?
5. Inner restlessness, hurried feeling?
6. Sometimes stuttering, stammering.
7. fear that something bad is going to happen?
8. Great sensitivity two injustice?
9. Excessive sympathy for others' suffering?
10. Long - lasting grief with a deep unexpressed sorrow.
can you be so kind and look at these, let me answer whether any of the votes.
Parakletos.
Parakletos. last decade
Thank you very much. The mouth symptoms which is where the disorder is are not very acurate. It is the underside of my tongue and the inside of my cheeks near the back teeth that has leisions. I do get leg cramps sometimes at night. I am never afraid of being alone. I do sometimes get a feeling of time pressure, which is phychological. I don't stutter or stammer. I occasionally think that something bad might happen, or that I might lose the happy life I now have.I do have a great sence of injustice. I do have excessive empathy for other's suffering - this has it's uses as it prompts me to do a lot of volunteering and it's less helpful aspects as it can lead to unproductive worrying. I do not have long lasting grief with unexpressed sorrow. So. Not an exact match but certainly some parrallel symptoms. Thank you so much for the time you are devoting to this. It's a long and difficult process isn't it. for many years I studied homeopathy as a lay person to treat minor childhood illnesses for my children and familly. But an accurate diagnosis for a complex disease like Lichen Planus is mindboggling to me! I will be very interested to take out my meteria medica again if you think a remedy might fit my picture. Thanks again Sam
Tephi last decade
Currently, we have vacation, winter vacation. here where I live. but I can not get your case out of mind, a few more things. How do you feel about a dog coming toward you? do you like dogs?
Parakletos.
Parakletos.
Parakletos. last decade
I love dogs - I have always had a dog in the familly until three years ago when my dog was hit by a car and died. We will not get another one as we now live in a city. But I like to meet dogs a lot.
I hope you are having a good vacation.
I hope you are having a good vacation.
Tephi last decade
Can not be hundred percent sure, but think you should have Natrum Muriaticum.
This medicine fits very well in relation to your story.
Nat mur can have, stiff tongue, herpes on the tongue, red patches Wed tongue and the inside of the mouth, burning blisters on the tongue, etc.
Would you like to try this medicine, you can start with the 200C. Take the medication only once, do not take any more until I say so.
You have taken homeopathy before so you know the procedure? Take the medicine at least half an hour before or after food, brushing of teeth etc. Do not drink coffee / caffeine. Do not use camphor, menthol, peppermint.
Pour medication in the lid of the medicine bottle, pour it into the mouth under the tongue. Let it lie there to melt, then swallowed.
After you have taken the medicine you have to wait a week or two, then you can contact me again. Or if something special happens, please contact me.
Nat mur can get old feelings up again, thoughts that you may have thought were gone. Should that happen, do not try to suppress or control them in any way.
This is something that the body, mind, mental, all of you, trying to get rid of, get it out of your system.
Sincerely, Parakletos.
This medicine fits very well in relation to your story.
Nat mur can have, stiff tongue, herpes on the tongue, red patches Wed tongue and the inside of the mouth, burning blisters on the tongue, etc.
Would you like to try this medicine, you can start with the 200C. Take the medication only once, do not take any more until I say so.
You have taken homeopathy before so you know the procedure? Take the medicine at least half an hour before or after food, brushing of teeth etc. Do not drink coffee / caffeine. Do not use camphor, menthol, peppermint.
Pour medication in the lid of the medicine bottle, pour it into the mouth under the tongue. Let it lie there to melt, then swallowed.
After you have taken the medicine you have to wait a week or two, then you can contact me again. Or if something special happens, please contact me.
Nat mur can get old feelings up again, thoughts that you may have thought were gone. Should that happen, do not try to suppress or control them in any way.
This is something that the body, mind, mental, all of you, trying to get rid of, get it out of your system.
Sincerely, Parakletos.
Parakletos. last decade
Thank you so much. I will do this and let you know how it is going. I am being allergy tested over the next couple of weeks so I think it might be best to wait until all the patches ect are off. I am also on a medication given to me by a Kinesiologist for three weeks. When I am 'free' of these things I will take one dose of 200. About coffee? - I usually have just one cup a day of decaffinated mid morning. Do I need to give this up throughout the whole week or just the day I am taking the remedy? Thank you so much for your help.
Sam
Sam
Tephi last decade
What kind of medicine you get from this kinesiologi therapist?
A cup of caffeine free, dekaff coffee is not a problem.
Can you drink coffee with no problem, ie with caffeine?
Do not think that this allergy test do something with homeopathic medicine, but if you want to wait that's fine.
Dr. P.
Good luck.:-)
A cup of caffeine free, dekaff coffee is not a problem.
Can you drink coffee with no problem, ie with caffeine?
Do not think that this allergy test do something with homeopathic medicine, but if you want to wait that's fine.
Dr. P.
Good luck.:-)
Parakletos. last decade
The name of the remedy is Natural Chios Gum Mastic 6 x 250 mg tablets before sleep.
No problem with coffee. I quite often take cafinated. So is it the caffein in coffee that antidotes the homeopathic effectivenss then?
Should I not have any caffeine during the week after I've taken Nat Mur (ie tea) or only avoid the caffein in coffee.
Thanks again
No problem with coffee. I quite often take cafinated. So is it the caffein in coffee that antidotes the homeopathic effectivenss then?
Should I not have any caffeine during the week after I've taken Nat Mur (ie tea) or only avoid the caffein in coffee.
Thanks again
Tephi last decade
Natural Chios Gum Mastic. Do you have Helicobacter pylori?
Caffeine is an antidote to homeopathic medicine, in all forms, coke, etc. But 1 cup is not a problem. Depends on the size of course.:) Some people are very sensitive to caffeine, in such cases it is best to stay completely away from caffeine.
Expect to take several doses of this medication, perhaps you need potency up to 1M and 10M, but I always begin with the 200C in this case. And always three doses of each potency.
When you buy the medicine, you can also buy 1M, then you do not have to buy it later. If you buy the medicine in the granules you should take 10 pieces. If you buy the pills, take 4 - 5. In drops, you can take 5 - 10. Or tablets, then you should take 1 I suggest granules or tablets.
Dr.P
Caffeine is an antidote to homeopathic medicine, in all forms, coke, etc. But 1 cup is not a problem. Depends on the size of course.:) Some people are very sensitive to caffeine, in such cases it is best to stay completely away from caffeine.
Expect to take several doses of this medication, perhaps you need potency up to 1M and 10M, but I always begin with the 200C in this case. And always three doses of each potency.
When you buy the medicine, you can also buy 1M, then you do not have to buy it later. If you buy the medicine in the granules you should take 10 pieces. If you buy the pills, take 4 - 5. In drops, you can take 5 - 10. Or tablets, then you should take 1 I suggest granules or tablets.
Dr.P
Parakletos. last decade
Helicobacter pylori is what the kinesiolgist diagnosed. I have not had that diagnosis through my consultant with NHS who diagnosed (after biopsies) Lichen Planus - to be treated with steroids if the allergy test prove negative. I intend to mention helicob' when I have my next appointment April 22. Okay I understand about the caffeine and the doasage. I shall buy tablets 200 and 1M. I'll start it when I've finished the Gum Mastic in three weeks time and have had a follow up appointment with Dr Smith (kinesiologist..) I want to keep the treatments separate. And I'll email you a week after the first dose. I'll miss our correspondance, btu I'm sure you'll be happy to move on to another puzzle. Thank you for your very thorough exploration.
Kind regards
Sam
Kind regards
Sam
Tephi last decade
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