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Dr. James Kent's Cured Cases!
Patients and perscribers here may want to look at this collection of patients treated by Kent and how he based his treatment. This gives a very good idea of some of the ways that Homeopathy is correctly practiced.http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentclin/index.htm
♥ Homeopathy International 1 on 2010-12-09
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
An example to support the view that some times 'this for that' works.
There are certain remedies that created in provings, symptoms that resemble a set of complaints normally associated with a named disease. 'This for that' is likely to work in such cases.
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Case 72
Seasickness-tabacum
Mal de mer - Mal de voiture
Tabacum
Petroleum
Cocculus
There is a most astonishing resemblance between seasickness and the proving of Tabacum. I have always guarded myself against routine practice and advised everyone else to keep away as far as possible from routine practice, but a great many times I have been consulted, where without any symptoms at all, somebody will tell me,
'Every time I cross the herring pond I get sick. Cannot you send me something ?'
And I have had some most astonishing ; results from Tabacum used for seasickness in a routine manner, without any symptoms.
One man in particular I know, who had crossed the ocean a good many times, having a business office in New York and one in London.
He always dreaded to go.
He said : 'I am sick from the time I go on the boat until I get off. I can eat nothing. I do nothing but vomit and vomit food from one end of the trip to the other.'
His fortune is invested in such a way that he needs to go two or three times in the year across the ocean. Now I provide him with the infallible protections, and when he gets out and feels his dizzy spell coming on he takes his powder and he can take his meals all the way over.
The one powder has always done it, and he keeps on hand some powders of Tabacum 70 m.
I have used it many times for the sickness from riding in the cars.
You can understand the Tabacum sickness if you will get on the rear end of a boat and watch the waves as they go away from the vessel.
The boat goes up and down, and pretty soon the stomach goes up and down and everything goes up and down.
Well, sitting at a car window and watching the scenery as the car goes along produces a similar deathly nausea.
Tabacum often relieves this nausea from riding in a train.
Petroleum and Cocculus sometimes helps seasickness, but Tabacum is a broad remedy that seems to cover most of the symptoms.
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Arnica as the first medicine for any kind of trauma is one such 'this for that'.
Murthy
There are certain remedies that created in provings, symptoms that resemble a set of complaints normally associated with a named disease. 'This for that' is likely to work in such cases.
*************
Case 72
Seasickness-tabacum
Mal de mer - Mal de voiture
Tabacum
Petroleum
Cocculus
There is a most astonishing resemblance between seasickness and the proving of Tabacum. I have always guarded myself against routine practice and advised everyone else to keep away as far as possible from routine practice, but a great many times I have been consulted, where without any symptoms at all, somebody will tell me,
'Every time I cross the herring pond I get sick. Cannot you send me something ?'
And I have had some most astonishing ; results from Tabacum used for seasickness in a routine manner, without any symptoms.
One man in particular I know, who had crossed the ocean a good many times, having a business office in New York and one in London.
He always dreaded to go.
He said : 'I am sick from the time I go on the boat until I get off. I can eat nothing. I do nothing but vomit and vomit food from one end of the trip to the other.'
His fortune is invested in such a way that he needs to go two or three times in the year across the ocean. Now I provide him with the infallible protections, and when he gets out and feels his dizzy spell coming on he takes his powder and he can take his meals all the way over.
The one powder has always done it, and he keeps on hand some powders of Tabacum 70 m.
I have used it many times for the sickness from riding in the cars.
You can understand the Tabacum sickness if you will get on the rear end of a boat and watch the waves as they go away from the vessel.
The boat goes up and down, and pretty soon the stomach goes up and down and everything goes up and down.
Well, sitting at a car window and watching the scenery as the car goes along produces a similar deathly nausea.
Tabacum often relieves this nausea from riding in a train.
Petroleum and Cocculus sometimes helps seasickness, but Tabacum is a broad remedy that seems to cover most of the symptoms.
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Arnica as the first medicine for any kind of trauma is one such 'this for that'.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Gavini,
You may like to know of a medical emergency that occurred just an hour ago in office.
The patient is about 45 years old and she was attending to her work on the showroom floor when she suddenly got an acute pain in her left groin. She is rather obese but not too big. She found that she was unable to walk and sat down and then discovered that with the increase of her pain that she could not stand up. She was perspiring profusely and I noticed a tear in her eye, a reaction to the acute pain she was suffering from.
I noticed a crowd of my staff around her and inquired what her problem was and she gave me the facts above. I asked her if she could feel any lump at the point of her pain but there was none. (I suspected a Hernia).
I have a small stock of various remedies in my drawer and I gave her 6 pellets Colocynthis 200 sublingually and reassured her that she should be OK in 20 minutes.
True to my word, she walked into my office shortly after.
Another case where the 'this for that' therapy worked in just under 20 minutes.
Such is the power of 'Joepathy'.
Joe
You may like to know of a medical emergency that occurred just an hour ago in office.
The patient is about 45 years old and she was attending to her work on the showroom floor when she suddenly got an acute pain in her left groin. She is rather obese but not too big. She found that she was unable to walk and sat down and then discovered that with the increase of her pain that she could not stand up. She was perspiring profusely and I noticed a tear in her eye, a reaction to the acute pain she was suffering from.
I noticed a crowd of my staff around her and inquired what her problem was and she gave me the facts above. I asked her if she could feel any lump at the point of her pain but there was none. (I suspected a Hernia).
I have a small stock of various remedies in my drawer and I gave her 6 pellets Colocynthis 200 sublingually and reassured her that she should be OK in 20 minutes.
True to my word, she walked into my office shortly after.
Another case where the 'this for that' therapy worked in just under 20 minutes.
Such is the power of 'Joepathy'.
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Symptoms of Colocynthis taken from traditional materia medicas:-
Pain aggravated by walking.
Awful pains, unable to stand.
Sudden atrocious pains.
Profuse perspiration with paroxysmal pains.
Violent pains which occasion cries and weeping.
Every symptom perfectly covered by Colocynthis (and 40 other remedies). A very good homoeopathic prescription it seems. No 'joepathy' here at all. This is exactly the sort of reason Colocynthis is given. It is a good emergency prescription done according to the principles of similarity. Nice work.
Pain aggravated by walking.
Awful pains, unable to stand.
Sudden atrocious pains.
Profuse perspiration with paroxysmal pains.
Violent pains which occasion cries and weeping.
Every symptom perfectly covered by Colocynthis (and 40 other remedies). A very good homoeopathic prescription it seems. No 'joepathy' here at all. This is exactly the sort of reason Colocynthis is given. It is a good emergency prescription done according to the principles of similarity. Nice work.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Sajjad it's just homoeopathy - symptoms taken from the materia medica and used to prescribe a remedy. I don't even understand why it would be considered anything else. No need to rename something all homoeopaths do.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Dear BH,
Over the years we made 'friends and foes' through ABC Forum.
However, over the years we realized that each one brought some new strengths to the table.(Which were not necessarily in line with our own strengths). Never the less...each one has been able to help many people here who seek advice in a hurry. Some advisers come here having followed a course in homeopathy...others have gained experience purely after following homeopathy as a hobby.
The important thing is: there is place for each one of us here...as can be seen from the response of the members seeking advice.
I have seen many of your posts and have appreciation for your tremendous skills.
Best regards,
Punkaj Varma
Over the years we made 'friends and foes' through ABC Forum.
However, over the years we realized that each one brought some new strengths to the table.(Which were not necessarily in line with our own strengths). Never the less...each one has been able to help many people here who seek advice in a hurry. Some advisers come here having followed a course in homeopathy...others have gained experience purely after following homeopathy as a hobby.
The important thing is: there is place for each one of us here...as can be seen from the response of the members seeking advice.
I have seen many of your posts and have appreciation for your tremendous skills.
Best regards,
Punkaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Brisbanehomoeopath,
Here we go again, please do not provoke Joe and start another fight as it is really hurting to all of us.
Again, please try to understand that Mr. Livera is the most senior member of this forum and serving the people in pain over 25 years with the best of his abilities. He deserves a lot of respect and recognition.
On the other hand, you are my hero (Please do not suspect, it is true!), therefore, your status, honor, dignity, respect and presence on this forum is very important for the delivery of knowledge.
Again, the facts on the ground at the time of suggesting a remedy like Joe did comes from skill and experience. I do it all the time and it works. There was no need to fill out 30 pages consisting of state and symptoms in this situation of pain at that time that lady was going thru.
Please, again, I would like to request you not to start a fight with anyone as this will be a waste of time and deviation from the purpose of helping others. I recognise that you have a wealth of knowledge in the field of homoeopathy and I greatly appreciate your efforts on this forum.
We must respect each other's opinions. We must address differences with respect and professionalism.
May God bless you?
Regards
Nawaz
Here we go again, please do not provoke Joe and start another fight as it is really hurting to all of us.
Again, please try to understand that Mr. Livera is the most senior member of this forum and serving the people in pain over 25 years with the best of his abilities. He deserves a lot of respect and recognition.
On the other hand, you are my hero (Please do not suspect, it is true!), therefore, your status, honor, dignity, respect and presence on this forum is very important for the delivery of knowledge.
Again, the facts on the ground at the time of suggesting a remedy like Joe did comes from skill and experience. I do it all the time and it works. There was no need to fill out 30 pages consisting of state and symptoms in this situation of pain at that time that lady was going thru.
Please, again, I would like to request you not to start a fight with anyone as this will be a waste of time and deviation from the purpose of helping others. I recognise that you have a wealth of knowledge in the field of homoeopathy and I greatly appreciate your efforts on this forum.
We must respect each other's opinions. We must address differences with respect and professionalism.
May God bless you?
Regards
Nawaz
♡ nawazkhan last decade
This is a follow up on the muscle spasm case detailed above which I felt would be of interest.
The lady reported to me the day after her first incident that she suffered from another spasm when she was stepping down from the train that morning. She was all alone and was compelled to walk very slowly to a bench where she sat for an hour till help was sent from office to rescue her.
I gave her the same remedy Colocynthis 200 but this time in the Wet dose taken twice daily and all is well as this seems to have taken over to stall any further spasms in her muscles.
She mentioned that she is 48 years old and is also menopausal. It is possible that her present condition has some bearing on her spasms.
I have also given her Arnica 30c to help with her menopause.
The lady reported to me the day after her first incident that she suffered from another spasm when she was stepping down from the train that morning. She was all alone and was compelled to walk very slowly to a bench where she sat for an hour till help was sent from office to rescue her.
I gave her the same remedy Colocynthis 200 but this time in the Wet dose taken twice daily and all is well as this seems to have taken over to stall any further spasms in her muscles.
She mentioned that she is 48 years old and is also menopausal. It is possible that her present condition has some bearing on her spasms.
I have also given her Arnica 30c to help with her menopause.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
♡ Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Anyone actually interested in how Dr. James Kent practiced might want to look at the cases, remedies, and comments here.
http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentclin/index.htm
http://www.homeoint.org/books3/kentclin/index.htm
♡ Homeopathy International 1 last decade
♡ Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Ultimate aim is to restore the patient to robust health.
To be slave to one method is self-defeating.
Dr. Kent has shown ...by use of complimentary meds
great results can be achieved.
Punkaj Varma
To be slave to one method is self-defeating.
Dr. Kent has shown ...by use of complimentary meds
great results can be achieved.
Punkaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
When we study the case histories of many authors, we will be surprised to note that the medicine is selected based on a couple of peculiar symptoms. That includes Kent. No mention of pages and pages of case taking in the name of arriving at totality.
Even those stalwarts rarely got to the similimum in the first go. They too changed the medicine when they found that their intial choice was not helping much.
They did use the series of medicines when required. Any one medicine resolving ALL the complaints of a patient is a big myth.
Choose a medicine for the symptom complex that is bothering the patient most. When a medicine seems to suit the symptom complex well, forget about any thing else including miasmatic analysis. In all probability the medicine selected will cover the predominanant miasm to some degree or the other.
You need to go into miasmatic analysis only when you have multiple choices and you are unable to decide which one to give. The second instance will be when the complaint seems to be abated for a short time but keep coming back.
The modern authors/ practitioners added a big veal of mystery to homeopathic practice and made it to look like as if ordinary mortals can't practice homeopathy. If you are thorough in fundamentals, you can resolve atleast 80% of the complaints that come your way to the satisfaction of the patient by understanding the way our old masters dealt with cases.
That is simple and straight forward.
Murthy
Even those stalwarts rarely got to the similimum in the first go. They too changed the medicine when they found that their intial choice was not helping much.
They did use the series of medicines when required. Any one medicine resolving ALL the complaints of a patient is a big myth.
Choose a medicine for the symptom complex that is bothering the patient most. When a medicine seems to suit the symptom complex well, forget about any thing else including miasmatic analysis. In all probability the medicine selected will cover the predominanant miasm to some degree or the other.
You need to go into miasmatic analysis only when you have multiple choices and you are unable to decide which one to give. The second instance will be when the complaint seems to be abated for a short time but keep coming back.
The modern authors/ practitioners added a big veal of mystery to homeopathic practice and made it to look like as if ordinary mortals can't practice homeopathy. If you are thorough in fundamentals, you can resolve atleast 80% of the complaints that come your way to the satisfaction of the patient by understanding the way our old masters dealt with cases.
That is simple and straight forward.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
There are fundamental principles of homeoapthy - opposites, minimal dose, etc.
There are many methods of prescribing that all follow the homeopathic method. Kent's was one. Bonninghausen had his own method. Herring had his own variation.
You are right that Dr. James Compton Burnett used some very interesting methods in the treatment of extreme cases, but he always said that when they worked it was through the principles of homeopathy.
There are many methods of prescribing that all follow the homeopathic method. Kent's was one. Bonninghausen had his own method. Herring had his own variation.
You are right that Dr. James Compton Burnett used some very interesting methods in the treatment of extreme cases, but he always said that when they worked it was through the principles of homeopathy.
♡ Homeopathy International 1 last decade
Dear Murthy,
The balance 20% are the complex cases.
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Agreed...the entire structure is built on the 'Principles of Homeopathy' for which pioneering work was done by the great Dr. H'mann.
Punkaj Varma
The balance 20% are the complex cases.
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Agreed...the entire structure is built on the 'Principles of Homeopathy' for which pioneering work was done by the great Dr. H'mann.
Punkaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
♡ maheeru last decade
'When we study the case histories of many authors, we will be surprised to note that the medicine is selected based on a couple of peculiar symptoms. That includes Kent. No mention of pages and pages of case taking in the name of arriving at totality.
Even those stalwarts rarely got to the similimum in the first go. They too changed the medicine when they found that their intial choice was not helping much.
They did use the series of medicines when required. Any one medicine resolving ALL the complaints of a patient is a big myth.
Choose a medicine for the symptom complex that is bothering the patient most. When a medicine seems to suit the symptom complex well, forget about any thing else including miasmatic analysis. In all probability the medicine selected will cover the predominanant miasm to some degree or the other.
You need to go into miasmatic analysis only when you have multiple choices and you are unable to decide which one to give. The second instance will be when the complaint seems to be abated for a short time but keep coming back.'MURTHY.
All is true and this is the way of their succes and practice.Thanks.
sajjad.
Even those stalwarts rarely got to the similimum in the first go. They too changed the medicine when they found that their intial choice was not helping much.
They did use the series of medicines when required. Any one medicine resolving ALL the complaints of a patient is a big myth.
Choose a medicine for the symptom complex that is bothering the patient most. When a medicine seems to suit the symptom complex well, forget about any thing else including miasmatic analysis. In all probability the medicine selected will cover the predominanant miasm to some degree or the other.
You need to go into miasmatic analysis only when you have multiple choices and you are unable to decide which one to give. The second instance will be when the complaint seems to be abated for a short time but keep coming back.'MURTHY.
All is true and this is the way of their succes and practice.Thanks.
sajjad.
sajjadakram635 last decade
Dear Sajjad Bhai,
You are very right. You have said it very well:
'They did use the series of medicines when required. Any one medicine resolving ALL the complaints of a patient is a big myth. '
It is only the practitioner who can tell you exactly what is done to cure the patient.
By reading from books and repeating it serves only a limited purpose.
In complex cases miasms have to be neutralized for the constitutional med to work completely....other wise ....there is a re-lapse of the illness again and again.
Similar thing Brisbanehomeopath has written in the case of 'girl2010' I am reproducing below:
'To choose your own simillimum, almost none at all for a chronic condition which has mental and emotional aspects. It is possible - I have never heard of it happening in 20 years of being involved in homoepathy though.
Perhaps for a purely physical disease someone could find it. But the study of repertory and materia medica is complex - you would have to be a homoeopath to really stand a chance.
For a disease that affects the mental sphere, even a homoeopath stands little chance. They would need help (from another homoeopath).
There are over 5000 medicines now - what do you think the chances are of randomly getting the right one, and then having confidence in it to stay with it long enough to see the results.
And then, if necessary, treat with intercurrents, complementaries, antimiasmatic remedies, acutes etc. '
True picture given by a practicing homeopath.
Punkaj Varma
You are very right. You have said it very well:
'They did use the series of medicines when required. Any one medicine resolving ALL the complaints of a patient is a big myth. '
It is only the practitioner who can tell you exactly what is done to cure the patient.
By reading from books and repeating it serves only a limited purpose.
In complex cases miasms have to be neutralized for the constitutional med to work completely....other wise ....there is a re-lapse of the illness again and again.
Similar thing Brisbanehomeopath has written in the case of 'girl2010' I am reproducing below:
'To choose your own simillimum, almost none at all for a chronic condition which has mental and emotional aspects. It is possible - I have never heard of it happening in 20 years of being involved in homoepathy though.
Perhaps for a purely physical disease someone could find it. But the study of repertory and materia medica is complex - you would have to be a homoeopath to really stand a chance.
For a disease that affects the mental sphere, even a homoeopath stands little chance. They would need help (from another homoeopath).
There are over 5000 medicines now - what do you think the chances are of randomly getting the right one, and then having confidence in it to stay with it long enough to see the results.
And then, if necessary, treat with intercurrents, complementaries, antimiasmatic remedies, acutes etc. '
True picture given by a practicing homeopath.
Punkaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Gavini,
I am glad to note your acceptance of the 'this for that' method of prescribing for an ailment that I have practiced for the last 25 years aka 'Joepathy' to which you were almost allergic, only a few months ago. I do admire your courage in stating so publicly on the ABC and it is my hope that other classical Homeopaths who even today castigate me for my Joepathy will please take note.
I am aware that you have spent many years of intense study of this Science and you are perhaps far more qualified than the majority of those who have studied it in Homeopathic colleges who pontificate here on the ABC. To read your statement today gives me great satisfaction as both you and I have studied Homeopathy without the guidance given in colleges on our own, using the same texts used in these colleges and it is no wonder that you at first were strictly classical in your outlook.
In my case I did try at first faithfully to follow Kent and other classical authors in their case taking protocol but I was soon disenchanted as it seemed obvious to me that there was no sense in expecting a patient to answer the multitude of over 100 questions, many of which are inane but stipulated during the detailed case taking process, all of which are expected to culminate in the identification of that elusive single remedy which is theoretically designed to treat the totality of the symptoms presented by the patient. It is precisely here that the whole process fails and in the result it is the patient who suffers, as the obvious remedy that can help him is not given simply because it does not fall within the norms stipulated.
I have had many altercations in the past with you and after we made peace with others they still continue even today with a few diehard classically oriented homeopaths on the ABC and it is interesting to note that the remedy that I prescribe is invariably the one that helps and eventually cures the patient. I have often stated in my long discourses with you that I invariably use the remedy that I had successfully used in the past to help a patient who suffered from a similar ailment and was cured by the remedy that I had given.
It is my considered opinion that the identification of that elusive classically generated single remedy to treat the totality of all the symptoms presented by the patient is indeed impossible, and I am glad to note that you have finally seen the light and have had the courage of stating so openly here on the ABC which is read by over 10000 visitors daily.
I do believe that the first duty of a homeopath is to cure the patient as quickly as is possible with the remedy which has shown positive results in the past when used to help patients who suffered from a similar ailment. As you rightly stated my 'this for that' allopathic form of therapy holds good for 80% of the patients treated and if a patient does not respond to the first remedy given and to others that are used later as alternatives, the homeopath can then resort to a more detailed case taking procedure with the assistance of Radar or other similar Homeopathic software which is recommended instead of only using his mind however learned and experienced s/he is to identify the remedy.
Many classical homeopaths will not identify the remedy given to the patient which is usually in the form of pellets or some powder even though the patient inquires what it is. I believe that this is calculated to prolong that aura of mystery in the remedy used and may also be a ruse on the part of the prescriber to dodge any eventual questioning of his choice of a remedy if it did not work. This subterfuge is possible in the case of a face to face consultation but not on an open Forum like the ABC where the consultant homeopath prescribes in the public eye and if the patient responds positively, all is well as many questions and even insults can result otherwise.
It occurs to me that this form of subterfuge is practiced by the classical homeopaths as a ruse which enables them to ensure that the patient visits them for the next consultation, usually on a programmed weekly basis when another remedy or in many cases a placebo is given to ensure that the patient is duly impressed by the progress of the cure and the follow up that the homeopath has to spend his time on to justify the fee.
The difference in my Joepathy is that I invariably use the remedy that I am convinced will evoke the most effective response in the patient and it is no wonder that I have been targeted by many classical homeopaths in the past as I have sometimes jumped the gun by prescribing the obvious remedy which to me seemed to be the most effective and thereby virtually pulled the rug from under their feet as the classical remedy prescribed was ineffective, while mine cured the patient.
I believe that the prescription of a remedy by the classical types involves a lot of ego especially on the part of these classical types who feel that they are entitled to be dogmatic in their choice of remedy merely because they were used to brainwashing their students, in the case of teachers, one of whom has displayed that familiar allergy to my Joepathy. It is strange that some classical types will maintain that their therapy is based on the classical formula even though they did not spend over a few minutes in identifying it, which of course is absolutely impossible from a case taking angle which ideally must take over 2 hours.
You are aware that I practice Homeopathy completely free of charge as to me it is the satisfaction that I get from the culmination of a cure that I look for. I believe that at my advanced age of 82 years, I am entitled to at least suggest my own therapy for the treatment of a case instead of having to account for the reason why I prescribed it. They must understand that I am not a professional homeopath and that I have my own functions as the CEO of my organization and Homeopathy to me is only a Hobby to which I am passionately dedicated. I am always ready to accept censure if the remedy prescribed or the protocol prescribed is incorrect or as some classical types have warned 'dangerous' but to be compelled to waste my time in qualifying the rationale in doing so is so unnecessary as I could use that time for other more positive needs.
I would like to add that I have in the past few years been able to identify a few remedies which are not generally listed in the Repertories and MM's as being specific for a disease. I refer to my discoveries of the following:
Nat Phos 6x for Obesity
Arnica 30c for control of Diabetes Type I and Type II
Nat Mur 6x for the control of Hypertension.
I have proved after taking Arnica in the Wet dose nightly since 1996 that it has helped me to maintain my standard of wellness at my advanced age of 82. I have also recorded many other ailments that I have used Arnica which are recorded on my own website under Arnica the Miracle Remedy on:
http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66
I would like to conclude my statement above by placing on record that I am not alone in the use of the 'this for that' protocol in prescribing a remedy. I refer to the statement made by Dr Prananta Banerji in his website on:
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/index.php/A-New-Beginning/Banerji-....
'The Banerji Protocol is a new method of treatment using homeopathic medicines. Specific medicines are prescribed for specific diseases. '
It is my hope that classical homeopaths will open their eyes to realities as I have expressed them above and come down to earth and share in the joy of helping a suffering patient towards a cure as quickly as is possible instead of giving the patient the run around with the standard weekly visits, all in the name of their own concept of classical homeopathy.
Kind Regards
Joe
I am glad to note your acceptance of the 'this for that' method of prescribing for an ailment that I have practiced for the last 25 years aka 'Joepathy' to which you were almost allergic, only a few months ago. I do admire your courage in stating so publicly on the ABC and it is my hope that other classical Homeopaths who even today castigate me for my Joepathy will please take note.
I am aware that you have spent many years of intense study of this Science and you are perhaps far more qualified than the majority of those who have studied it in Homeopathic colleges who pontificate here on the ABC. To read your statement today gives me great satisfaction as both you and I have studied Homeopathy without the guidance given in colleges on our own, using the same texts used in these colleges and it is no wonder that you at first were strictly classical in your outlook.
In my case I did try at first faithfully to follow Kent and other classical authors in their case taking protocol but I was soon disenchanted as it seemed obvious to me that there was no sense in expecting a patient to answer the multitude of over 100 questions, many of which are inane but stipulated during the detailed case taking process, all of which are expected to culminate in the identification of that elusive single remedy which is theoretically designed to treat the totality of the symptoms presented by the patient. It is precisely here that the whole process fails and in the result it is the patient who suffers, as the obvious remedy that can help him is not given simply because it does not fall within the norms stipulated.
I have had many altercations in the past with you and after we made peace with others they still continue even today with a few diehard classically oriented homeopaths on the ABC and it is interesting to note that the remedy that I prescribe is invariably the one that helps and eventually cures the patient. I have often stated in my long discourses with you that I invariably use the remedy that I had successfully used in the past to help a patient who suffered from a similar ailment and was cured by the remedy that I had given.
It is my considered opinion that the identification of that elusive classically generated single remedy to treat the totality of all the symptoms presented by the patient is indeed impossible, and I am glad to note that you have finally seen the light and have had the courage of stating so openly here on the ABC which is read by over 10000 visitors daily.
I do believe that the first duty of a homeopath is to cure the patient as quickly as is possible with the remedy which has shown positive results in the past when used to help patients who suffered from a similar ailment. As you rightly stated my 'this for that' allopathic form of therapy holds good for 80% of the patients treated and if a patient does not respond to the first remedy given and to others that are used later as alternatives, the homeopath can then resort to a more detailed case taking procedure with the assistance of Radar or other similar Homeopathic software which is recommended instead of only using his mind however learned and experienced s/he is to identify the remedy.
Many classical homeopaths will not identify the remedy given to the patient which is usually in the form of pellets or some powder even though the patient inquires what it is. I believe that this is calculated to prolong that aura of mystery in the remedy used and may also be a ruse on the part of the prescriber to dodge any eventual questioning of his choice of a remedy if it did not work. This subterfuge is possible in the case of a face to face consultation but not on an open Forum like the ABC where the consultant homeopath prescribes in the public eye and if the patient responds positively, all is well as many questions and even insults can result otherwise.
It occurs to me that this form of subterfuge is practiced by the classical homeopaths as a ruse which enables them to ensure that the patient visits them for the next consultation, usually on a programmed weekly basis when another remedy or in many cases a placebo is given to ensure that the patient is duly impressed by the progress of the cure and the follow up that the homeopath has to spend his time on to justify the fee.
The difference in my Joepathy is that I invariably use the remedy that I am convinced will evoke the most effective response in the patient and it is no wonder that I have been targeted by many classical homeopaths in the past as I have sometimes jumped the gun by prescribing the obvious remedy which to me seemed to be the most effective and thereby virtually pulled the rug from under their feet as the classical remedy prescribed was ineffective, while mine cured the patient.
I believe that the prescription of a remedy by the classical types involves a lot of ego especially on the part of these classical types who feel that they are entitled to be dogmatic in their choice of remedy merely because they were used to brainwashing their students, in the case of teachers, one of whom has displayed that familiar allergy to my Joepathy. It is strange that some classical types will maintain that their therapy is based on the classical formula even though they did not spend over a few minutes in identifying it, which of course is absolutely impossible from a case taking angle which ideally must take over 2 hours.
You are aware that I practice Homeopathy completely free of charge as to me it is the satisfaction that I get from the culmination of a cure that I look for. I believe that at my advanced age of 82 years, I am entitled to at least suggest my own therapy for the treatment of a case instead of having to account for the reason why I prescribed it. They must understand that I am not a professional homeopath and that I have my own functions as the CEO of my organization and Homeopathy to me is only a Hobby to which I am passionately dedicated. I am always ready to accept censure if the remedy prescribed or the protocol prescribed is incorrect or as some classical types have warned 'dangerous' but to be compelled to waste my time in qualifying the rationale in doing so is so unnecessary as I could use that time for other more positive needs.
I would like to add that I have in the past few years been able to identify a few remedies which are not generally listed in the Repertories and MM's as being specific for a disease. I refer to my discoveries of the following:
Nat Phos 6x for Obesity
Arnica 30c for control of Diabetes Type I and Type II
Nat Mur 6x for the control of Hypertension.
I have proved after taking Arnica in the Wet dose nightly since 1996 that it has helped me to maintain my standard of wellness at my advanced age of 82. I have also recorded many other ailments that I have used Arnica which are recorded on my own website under Arnica the Miracle Remedy on:
http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66
I would like to conclude my statement above by placing on record that I am not alone in the use of the 'this for that' protocol in prescribing a remedy. I refer to the statement made by Dr Prananta Banerji in his website on:
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/index.php/A-New-Beginning/Banerji-....
'The Banerji Protocol is a new method of treatment using homeopathic medicines. Specific medicines are prescribed for specific diseases. '
It is my hope that classical homeopaths will open their eyes to realities as I have expressed them above and come down to earth and share in the joy of helping a suffering patient towards a cure as quickly as is possible instead of giving the patient the run around with the standard weekly visits, all in the name of their own concept of classical homeopathy.
Kind Regards
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe,
Are you sure Gavini has accepted 'this for that ' way of prescribing...I don't see it anywhere in his posts.
Of course, I have no desire to get into arguments on this subject. I have already said what I wanted to say. In the past some of these Classical guys have dragged me into such arguments for months....without much benefit to anybody.
I might as well use my time in helping some more people here....ones who need our help and are seeking our help.
Best regards,
Punkaj Varma
Are you sure Gavini has accepted 'this for that ' way of prescribing...I don't see it anywhere in his posts.
Of course, I have no desire to get into arguments on this subject. I have already said what I wanted to say. In the past some of these Classical guys have dragged me into such arguments for months....without much benefit to anybody.
I might as well use my time in helping some more people here....ones who need our help and are seeking our help.
Best regards,
Punkaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Punkaj
Let us await Gavini's comments on my 'this for that' statement.
I am indeed glad that you too resented the criticism that 'these Classical guys have dragged me into such arguments for months....without much benefit to anybody. '
I felt that it was time that I finally nailed this attitude of criticism which bordered on harassment in being criticized on almost every post that I made to a patient. At one time these arguments were so unnerving from the patient's standpoint as the majority of those who posted seeking assistance who did not know anything about Homeopathy often wondered what this constant bickering which originated from just one source was all about. I am aware of a few patients who left the ABC in disgust without using my therapy as they could not understand the reason for this warfare. All these barbed attacks detracted from the therapy that I prescribed as the critic tended to be supercilious in his responses which frankly irritated me.
I prefer not to get involved from an attack angle with anyone, not only on the ABC but in my day to day life, but if anyone dares to question my attitude or in this case the therapy I have prescribed, especially when I am convinced that I am in the right, I am goaded to respond sometimes vehemently, to justify my judgement.
I do hope that he will get the message.
Kind Regards
Joe
Let us await Gavini's comments on my 'this for that' statement.
I am indeed glad that you too resented the criticism that 'these Classical guys have dragged me into such arguments for months....without much benefit to anybody. '
I felt that it was time that I finally nailed this attitude of criticism which bordered on harassment in being criticized on almost every post that I made to a patient. At one time these arguments were so unnerving from the patient's standpoint as the majority of those who posted seeking assistance who did not know anything about Homeopathy often wondered what this constant bickering which originated from just one source was all about. I am aware of a few patients who left the ABC in disgust without using my therapy as they could not understand the reason for this warfare. All these barbed attacks detracted from the therapy that I prescribed as the critic tended to be supercilious in his responses which frankly irritated me.
I prefer not to get involved from an attack angle with anyone, not only on the ABC but in my day to day life, but if anyone dares to question my attitude or in this case the therapy I have prescribed, especially when I am convinced that I am in the right, I am goaded to respond sometimes vehemently, to justify my judgement.
I do hope that he will get the message.
Kind Regards
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
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