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HoneyKhanna last decade
Generally if the case is chronic, deep acting high potency remedy like Opium 10M does not show any aggravation within first 7 day. If it is your constitutional remedy than it will aggravate your disease symptoms when it will nearly finish its work. Normally minimum 21 days later.

If you see aggravation after taking a high potency remedy within first 7 day than I must say, something wrong happened. Need to reconsideration.

rahiq
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Info.rahiq last decade
This is completely incorrect. Aggravation must happen within the first few days. I have never heard of an aggravation starting after 7 days. That is most likely to be nothing to do with the remedy, unless the secondary/tertiary effect starts without the patient mentioning (or noticing) the primary effect of the medicine.

An aggravation can certainly persist past 7 days in sensitive individuals, or in patients with extensive tissue changes, but it will almost always start within the first 3 days. Children typically react within a few hours.

The process of cure itself, once started, can continue to produce various changes for many weeks, but these are not actually part of the aggravation. An aggravation is the initial (primary) response to the medicine, which occurs very quickly. The following reactions (secondary) are made by the vital force responding to the primary effect. These symptoms may actually be the opposite of the original symptoms.

The vital force may engage many functions of the body in an attempt to heal the patient, most often using various excretery processes to remove disease matter or damaged tissue. This is really a kind of tertiary response. The vital force is not reacting directly to oppose the medicine, but it is once again working as it should, and now it must clean up the mess made when it was working in disorder.

It is normal for you to aggravate for longer periods, as can be seen by looking over your various posts. You will probably aggravate much more this time because you took the drop directly on the tongue, which you have done against my advice. You will need to wait until it is over. From now on please only use split dosing to take your remedies. Someone who aggravates so easily should be more careful.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
ORGANON OF MEDICINE
6th Edition translated by Boericke

§ 157
But though it is certain that a homoeopathically selected remedy does, by reason of its appropriateness and the minuteness of the dose, gently remove and annihilate the acute disease analogous to it, without manifesting its other unhomoeopathic symptoms, that is to say, without the production of new, serious disturbances, yet it usually, immediately after ingestion - for the first hour, or for a few hours - causes a kind of slight aggravation when the dose has not been sufficiently small and (where the dose has been somewhat too large, however, for a considerable number of hours), which has so much resemblance to the original disease that it seems to the patient to be an aggravation of his own disease. But it is, in reality, nothing more than an extremely similar medicinal disease, somewhat exceeding in strength the original affection.

§ 158
This slight homoeopathic aggravation during the first hours - a very good prognostic that the acute disease will most probably yield to the first dose - is quite as it ought to be, as the medicinal disease must naturally be somewhat stronger than the malady to be cured if it is to overpower and extinguish the latter, just as a natural disease can remove and annihilate another one similar to it only when it is stronger than the latter (§§ 43 - 48).

§ 159
The smaller the dose of the homoeopathic remedy is in the treatment of acute diseases so much the slighter and shorter is the apparent increase of the disease during the first hours.

§ 160
But as the dose of a homoeopathic remedy can scarcely ever be made so small that it shall not be able to relieve, overpower, indeed completely cure and annihilate the uncomplicated natural disease of not long standing that is analogous to it (§ 249, note), we can understand why a does of an appropriate homoeopathic medicine, not the very smallest possible, does always, during the first hour after its ingestion, produce a perceptible homoeopathic aggravation of this kind.

§ 161
When I here limit the so-called homoeopathic aggravation, or rather the primary action of the homoeopathic medicine that seems to increase somewhat the symptoms of the original disease, to the first or few hours, this is certainly true with respect to diseases of a more acute character and of recent origin, but where medicines of long action have to combat a malady of, considerable or of very long standing, where no such apparent increase of the original disease ought to appear during treatment and it does not so appear if the accurately chosen medicine was given in proper small, gradually higher doses, each somewhat modified with renewed dynamization (§ 247). Such increase of the original symptoms of a chronic disease can appear only at the end of treatment when the cure is almost or quite finished.

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§ 161 Fifth Edition
When I here limit the so-called homoeopathic aggravation, or rather the primary action of the homoeopathic medicine that seems to increase somewhat the symptoms of the original disease, to the first or few hours, this is certainly true with respect to diseases of a more acute character and of recent origin, but where medicines of long action have to combat a malady of, considerable or of very long standing, where one dose, consequently, must continue to act for many days, we then occasionally see, during the first six, eight or ten days, the occurrence of some such primary actions, of the medicine, some such apparent increase of the symptoms of the original disease (lasting for one or several hours), while in the intervening hours amelioration of the whole malady is perceptible. After the lapse of these few days the amelioration resulting from such primary action of the medicine proceeds almost uninterruptedly for several days longer.

§ 161 Sixth Edition
When I here limit the so-called homoeopathic aggravation, or rather the primary action of the homoeopathic medicine that seems to increase somewhat the symptoms of the original disease, to the first or few hours, this is certainly true with respect to diseases of a more acute character and of recent origin, but where medicines of long action have to combat a malady of, considerable or of very long standing, where no such apparent increase of the original disease ought to appear during treatment and it does not so appear if the accurately chosen medicine was given in proper small, gradually higher doses, each somewhat modified with renewed dynamization (§ 247). Such increase of the original symptoms of a chronic disease can appear only at the end of treatment when the cure is almost or quite finished.

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Info.rahiq last decade
Hello.
I happen to see the responses above.I feel blessed that I have so good doctors to take my care.Wanted to update that today I had a motion, though not complete along with peroids.
Since last few days, though I was eating properly but was not having motion,I do not know where all thw waste was going ,as my stomach did not produce that much trouble as it used to produce.I did not have stomach tightining or bulge too.
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
Ah someone finally engaging in a debate about philosophy. I greatly appreciate this, as the normal strategy for disagreement on this forum appears to be personal attacks and slander.

Aph 161 refers to the 50 millesimal potencies and not the centesimal. LM potencies react differently to C - they take longer to show their effect, and so the aggravation comes much later. This is undoubtedly because of their much higher dilution level, and as we know dilution reduces aggravation.

I was trained to use LM's by my mentor in college. I used them for several years after graduating. However I found them unsatisfying to use, often requiring patients to remain under treatment for longer, continually going up from potency to potency. With C's, the cure came with aggravation, and the disease was quickly resolved. I have repeated this experience many times over the last 20 years - those patients taking a long time to reach cure on LM can be given a high potency C and will quickly be brought into crisis (aggravation) which leads to a more rapid cure. The aggravation does not need to be much, assuming I have got the dose correct.

However I still have seen aggravation that may occur in the first few days after starting an LM potency. Most people appear to react quickly to the simillimum regardless of the potency scale used. People appear to react more slowly to partial similars though.

You can see that Kent and Hahnemann differed in their views around this, becaue Kent knew nothing of the later editions of the Organon or the LM potency scale. Interestingly my own observations over many years in clinic tend to align with Kent's observations.

In fact Kent said in his Lectures on Homoeopathic Philosophy:

'Where there are no tissue changes, where no ultimates are present, then you may expect the remedy to cure the patient without any serious aggravation, or without any sharp suffering, for there is no necessity of reacting from a serious structural change.'

'If the disease has ultimated itself in change of tissue, then you see striking aggravations, even aggravations that cannot be recovered from, such as we find in the advanced forms of tissue change, e.g., where the kidneys are destroyed or the liver destroyed, or. in phthisis, where the lungs are destroyed.'

'It is the establishment of the remedy as a new disease upon the economy instead of the reaction which corresponds to a process of house cleaning.

Elimination must take place, as we know, probably from the bowels, or stomach, by vomiting,

by expectoration, or by the kidneys, in those cases where everything has been suppressed.

It may look like an aggravation when you have had for years a limb paralyzed from a neuritis.

Suppose, after you administer a remedy that goes right to the spot, that is in the very highest sense homoeopathic, or truly specific, that paralyzed limb commences to tingle and creep like the crawling interiorly of ants, tingling sometimes from which he cannot sleep for days and nights.

This is due to the reaction of the nerves of the part.

They are called into new life, into activity.

I have seen this in paralysis.'

'A disease of very long standing sometimes fails to yield without this aggravation and disturbance and turmoil in the economy, and the deeper it is the more tissue change you have to contend with, and the more wonderful and distressing and painful is this reaction.

When a patient comes back after every dose of medicine with violent reaction, with violent aggravation of the disease, with violent aggravation of the symptoms, you know then that there is some deep-seated trouble.'

'Relief that begins without any aggravation of the symptoms, does not last so long in an acute disease as when an aggravation has taken place.

A slight action of the remedy over and above the disease is a good sign.

Again, you will find if your remedy was not perfectly similar you will not get an aggravation except in oversensitive patients, and then it is a medicinal aggravation.

When you find that you get no aggravation of the symptoms in a good vigorous constitution, none at all, very often your remedy has been only partially similar and it may require two or three of such partially similar remedies to finish the case.

If you will observe the work of ordinary physicians, you will notice they give two or three remedies to get their patients through where a master gives but one.'

Of course none of this directly supports or suggests when the aggravation should happen, except so much as it should be sooner rather than later. I can only offer my experience in clinic.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Hello Doc.
Finally today, motion was there.Complete evacuation but my head is full of dandruff.specially the scalp.If I need to rate , i will say its more than average.I can see more of white white stuff in my head.Ijust hope its a part of aggravation and won't lead to hairfall again
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
hello doc. would like to update that there has been no motio after the day ii mentionedabove.pls suggest.too shared aunts symptoms.pls have a look on her post and suggest
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
Hello Doc.
Few more symptoms:
Foul smelling flatulence is there and no motion but surprisingly I am not feeling uncomfortable.But I really want to understand where the waste getting generated is going if not thrown out by my body.
I too read that a homeopathy medicine 'Lema Forte' leads to weight loss.Is that true and can this remedy be used?
pls suggest
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
Doc.
Request you to pls revert.I am also feeling very lethargic.SInce the day i took remedy, initially i was not getting the sleep neither day or night and now , i do not feel like getting up.
Pls revert and let me know if this is normal behaviour.
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
10M may create a much longer aggravation. I am not convinced it was time to take this potency. The case should have been reassessed to see if Opium was still indicated or if another remedy is called for. It is not appropriate to just mechanically go up from one potency to the next.

However, now that you have done it, you will have to wait it out to see what happens.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Doc.
firstly i started getting constipated and secondly the news that you will not come to the forum again, made me panic.I remember the condition I was in, was really difficult.and then by mistake I took sepia200 instead of opium. All hastle bastle happened.
I would also like to tell you that I become very greedy when it is about remedy.I do not know but why my mind says that I should take a drop , which will cure me soon.I do not know why.
So is that so , opium is not my remedy? is it
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
I didn't say that. I said your case should have been reassessed before moving up to 10M. Since I have not reassessed I cannot tell for sure if you need Opium or another remedy.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
what should I do now?its been around 10 days i am constipated with motion just for a day inbetween.so shall i wait ?
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
You cannot be constipated in a single day - constipation by definition means you have less than 3 bowel movements a week. From your posts you clearly have at least 3 so you are not constipated.

While some people pass stool every day, many people do not. It is not necessarily something to be fixed.

Other things that may happen in order to be considered constipated are dry, hard stools which may be painful to pass, and difficulty in passing the stool when it does come.

It is possible that you are unnaturally focussed on your bowel movements, and you are expecting to do something that is not natural to it at all. You often say that 'even though constipated I am not uncomfortable'. This is quite likely to be because you are not constipated! You just believe you are.

Unless you have less than 3 bowel movements in a week it is not a serious concern.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
2 last questions for today:
Can milk be taken in my case.
can lema forte homeopathy helps in weight reduction.I read this some where.
pls revert
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HoneyKhanna last decade
Would like to list the symptoms I am facing now a days:

Daytime sleepiness, always feeling tired
Morning headaches, sore throat, dry mouth, cough,cold
Feeling depressed, moody, irritable
Not being able to concentrate or remember anything
Feels like being alone
If in case I develop negative feeling for any body, it becomes very difficult for me to forgive that person , till the time they say sorry to me.I do not forget the things even after that and there is a revenge kind of feeling.
My head is moving and is very heavy as if I have not slept since few days.
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
Did those things come on after the Opium 10M or were they there before it?
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
after taking opium 10m...agsin i would like to share that my intestine shows no movemment..
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
Are those symptoms new to you or are the old symptoms?

Has it been more than 3 days since you moved your bowels?
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
doc..i remember after using 1M i was feeling quite active.how ever since the time. i took 10m thesenew symptoms have developed.ido not feel likedoing any work,goin
g out.only thing i want is bed and no body disturrbing me.right now when i am typing,my head is heavy..this is the case even after 9hours sound sleep.these are totally new symptoms.its been around 19 days i took opium ,and its just once i had motion in these 10days.the amount of food intake is same as it used to be before10M...iwas getting regular motion on daily basis before10m...but its not the case now
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
It is possible the 10M has antidoted the good work the 1M was doing, if it was taken too soon. We will have to wait and see what happens over the next few weeks.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
very much new.right now also my head is quite heavy and only thing i want is a dark quite. room. with a bed.no interference.only thing i would like to do is sleep.this is the. situstion aftr dound sleep of 9 hours.my eyes are also heavy and its been around 10days i took opium but itd jst 1day i had motion.the food intake is same as it was during1 m but during tht time motion wad regular
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
oh.i thouvht only coffee will antidote.i am not able to work..infact do notjing
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
and its been 3 days I have no motion
 
HoneyKhanna last decade
You may have created a proving of Opium.

Detail each symptoms here. You know the kind of information I need. Coffee will not antidote, only the appropriate remedy will.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade

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