hit on nose

Take arnica 200 single dose, you would feel better.

Regards,

It is unlikely that a single dose of Arnica 200c can help your problem. It is effective for the moment but the healing process will take a few days and I would suggest that you continue with Arnica but in the 30c potency in the Wet dose taken twice daily for a month to ensure complete healing.


The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.

Joe:

Thanks for correcting me, however, I have had very good results with a single dose of any remedy given.

In case of Arnica, even George Vithoulkas in his lectures has advised of higher potency in a single dose.

The wet dose method may be very effective, however, there are chances of aggravations or proving the remedy. This is an acute case and I don't see unnecessarily continuing the dose the for complete one month.

I would welcome your comments and that would give me a chance to learn from your experience.

Regards,

To Mani

You may have listened to GV's lecture on Arnica which he specifically ordered his students NOT to prescribe after surgery. I have used Arnica 30c immediately after surgery 10 years ago and also recently after another minor surgery and in both cases I have proved beyond doubt that the 30c potency in the Wet dose is by far more effective than any drugs that are used as analgesics. In the former surgery I ordered that the Morphine syringe be removed from the IV line and encountered some opposition as the nursing staff had me sign a disclaimer that I was responsible for doing so. In both my surgeries, I established the fact that Arnica is by far the most effective analgesic as I was out of bed on the second day while in the last case I was walking within 2 hours after returning to my room without any pain except when coughing.

If you are interested in my research on Arnica you are invited to visit my website:

www.joedelivera.com

'The wet dose method may be very effective, however, there are chances of aggravations or proving the remedy. This is an acute case and I don't see unnecessarily continuing the dose the for complete one month. '

The Wet dose cannot possibly prove the remedy if used in the lower potencies. I have used it for many years and can categorically state so. You may like to know that I have taken a capful of Arnica 30c for the last 16 years nightly and at age 82 I believe that I owe Arnica my state of wellness today without any ache or pain which others who are half my age seem to suffer from.

Regards

Joe

I agree with Mani, one dose of 200c to begin with is fine, and subsequent doses can be given if the patient does not respond sufficiently.

Acute cases such as this do not need the same kind of dosing that chronic cases might. A few doses of a medium to high potency is all that is required to put things right. Anything over that runs the risk of creating side effects.

Hahnemann invented the 'wet dose' and Dr. Luc Du Schepper has brought it back into popularity. Neither of them said it would not cause provings, and in fact Dr. Du Schepper has said exactly the opposite - that you still must obey law of the miminum dose and avoid unnecessary aggravtions and provings by overdosing.

To David

I do not agree that just one dose of Arnica 200 in the dry pellets can possibly help this patient. The recovery process which involves the rebuilding of the crushed nasal tissue will take at least a week and this is where Arnica in a low potency (30c) taken thrice daily in the Wet dose will help to cure him.

You may be correct in your statement:
'A few doses of a medium to high potency is all that is required to put things right. Anything over that runs the risk of creating side effects.'
'Neither of them said it would not cause provings, and in fact Dr. Du Schepper has said exactly the opposite - that you still must obey law of the miminum dose and avoid unnecessary aggravtions and provings by overdosing.'

This statement however will only hold true if the patient takes the Dry Pellets. After over 5 years of promoting the Wet dose which I use almost exclusively for remedies that I use personally and prescribe to my patients, I can state quite categorically that I have never experienced any 'proving' of a remedy.

As I have stated many times here on the ABC and elsewhere, I have taken Arnica 30c nightly for the last 16 years and in doing so I have disproved the fallacy of the classical homeopathic adage that a remedy must never be taken on a daily basis. I was even threatened by so called classical homeopaths that I will soon end up with more serious diseases if I persisted in doing so. It was then that I decided to be the Guinea Pig to prove my own theory that Arnica does not fall into the category that could possibly promote CA and my example can be quoted by anyone as the first person in the whole wide world to dare going against the tenets of classical homeopathic teaching and survive to a ripe old age with all my faculties intact.

It is a pity that you cannot see me in person as you will then realize the reason why I am so motivated with my mission of promoting Arnica to anyone who desires to live without any ache or pain in his body and most importantly, can do so without using any drugs whatever, which as you may be aware I do not use unless on a SOS basis like after surgery. I believe that I have discovered in Arnica that elusive 'Fountain of Youth' that has eluded scientists worldwide and for which literally Billions have been spent in its search.

I have a few faithful patients (over 50) here in Sri Lanka and unknown thousands throughout the world who like me are senior citizens who use Arnica in the manner that I do and many have vouched for the improvement in their lives that this simple remedy has made in their lives which they discovered after many years of searching for that elusive 'tonic' in their lives, that Arnica lives up to their expectations. All of them have reported that they enjoy deep sleep on the first night they spend after their first dose of Arnica. They are all unanimous in their statements that they cannot possibly live without it today and that they have vowed to use it for life as their Blood Tests have proved that their Lipid Profiles have improved in about 3 months to a level that made it possible for them to stop using the dangerous Statin drugs. Their BP levels have also improved but in cases that did not, I have promoted the use of Nat Mur 6x which they have used successfully to replace the standard drugs prescribed.

I am grateful to Luc for having opened my eyes to the efficacy of the Wet dose and shall continue to promote its use for all my patients in the future. You may like to know that I discussed my findings on Arnica which I was taking in the dry pellets at that time, in depth with Luc who stayed with me for a few days in 2005 and requested him to carry out double blind tests for which he had all facilities of doing so when he returned home, but he informed me that he could not do so as it would go against the principles he taught in classical homeopathy in his Renaissance Institute of Classical Homeopathy which he owns.

I do not blame him.

Joe

Not getting into this pointless argument with you again Joe. Do you really have to spend every post boasting and name-dropping? So tiresome.

Swaing take only one dose of Arnica and report back the results. You should see a change within 24 hours if Arnica is the correct remedy. Then we can discuss repetition of the dose, which should ALWAYS be done after assessment of the reaction.

To David

In response to your reply above I can only think of that quotation I used to describe your attitude of mind a few weeks ago which I shall repeat below:

'Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.'

Frank Leahy

Joe:

I have read your posts on Arnica and I am really inspired by the great work you have done.

I have myself tested arnica dry pellets on many occasion and found very good results. I would like to quote a case of 8 years child, who had a blow on his head when he was 2 years of age, due to which he had some problem in speaking. In the age of 8 he was given a single dose of Arnica 200 dry, and within a week he recovered.

Another case of Appendicitis, and the operation was ready, however, the patient was afraid of operation, she was also given the same remedy in the same potency single dry dose, and till date, there is no pain whatsoever.

I respect your experience with Arnica and it gave me a good chance to learn from your posts.

Please let me know, if you have tested Nux V 30 in wet dose daily. If yes, could you post your findings. If not, could you give it a test.

Best regards,
[message edited by mani_jee on Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:53:19 GMT]

To Mani Jee

Thank you for your comments which are appreciated.

You may like to know that I am 82 years old and am in Homeopathy for the satisfaction that it gives me to help a patient to overcome his/her ailment with my own version of Homeopathy aka 'Joepathy'. As you may have noticed my therapy was labelled many years ago 'This for That' by the classical fraternity as I treat the Disease and not the Symptoms as I have found that mine is by far more effective than the classical method used by a few homeopaths who are qualified and insist on subjecting the patient to hundreds of questions many of which are irrelevant and are calculated to pull the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting patient who seeks a cure.

It is unfortunate that my therapy has attracted a lot of unnecessary criticism even today as the classical set feel that it is only their own interpretation of Hahnemann's Organon that can possibly work to heal. I have proved otherwise and my attitude which I am always prepared to defend, has resulted in many unnecessary skirmishes on this and other Homeopathic Forums which I visit.

You are invited to visit my website to read more about my therapy on:

www.joedelivera.com

Answering your question on testing Nux V in the Wet dose, I regret that I have never done so and cannot do so as I feel that it cannot be equated with Arnica which I have personally used for over 16 years on a nightly basis in the Wet dose. I am convinced today after this nightly tryst with Arnica that it has helped me to achieve a state of wellness which no other remedy can give.

Joe:

I have been to your website (www.joedelivera.com) many times and have read miracles of Arnica being discovered by your hard work.

I would like to mention, if accidently you discovered miracles of Arnica, why don't you put some efforts in discovering the powers of other remedies like the one Nux V or any other remedy which you prefer beside Arnica.

Also, I would also like to ask you, if you tried to get some time to get an answer to the question 'WHY Arnica is so powerful that it covers so many symptoms and so effective that no matter where we apply it, it will not disappoint'.

Joe, I would also appreciate if you give a complete story of how u discovered Arnica, I mean, what were the symptoms based on which you seleccted Arnica (for yourself) and then started discovering its powers. That would be very beneficial for my experience and other readers of the forum.

I am really thankful for your time.

Best regards,

To Mani

I believe that in my lifetime I have discovered more than what many others may discover in theirs. Since you have already visited my website you are obviously aware of the many Homeopathic Remedies that I have used for ailments not listed in the classical texts.

I have recorded how I first came into contact with Arnica on my website but I did not ever think that I would succeed in using it so very effectively for other ailments all of which I have listed.

The reason why Arnica is not used in the manner that I do is simply because those who use it are not aware of the potential that this Miracle Remedy embodies as they were not taught about it in their studies. In my case I have never attended any Homeopathic school and I studied this science in my free time as its philosophy fascinated me when I was first cured of my frequent colds way back in 1965 and I then decided to make a study of it and ordered the same text books used in colleges. It was when I was criticized in using my own interpretation of the texts and discovered that I seemed to elicit more success in the treatment of various diseases with Arnica which you would have read about on my site, that I decided to continue to explore without the blinkers that are the lot of qualified homeopaths who are brainwashed to believing that it is only through the classical approach that salvation lies.

I have debunked this theory and you may have read the many taunts and criticism that I have to undergo on the ABC from classical homeopaths who criticize me purely because I do not conform to their own interpretation of the classical rules. I am more interested in the net result which is the cure of the patient and I do get angry when I am criticized even after the patient has confirmed having been cured by my therapy.

I must inform you that Nux Vomica is not the type of remedy that I would dare to investigate as I have sufficient work to do at my advanced age.

May I suggest that you take this burden on yourself and use it for various ailments that you consider that it may be of use?

I do not know in which country you live in and if you would like to talk to my on Skype my ID is 'Joedelivera' I live in Sri Lanka which is 5.30 hours ahead of GMT. Send me an email and I can then fit your into my schedule.

You may like to visit the thread entiled 'Arnica 6c in the Wet dose helps Diabetics' on the Homeopathy and More Forum where I have recorded some information that may interest you.

Kind Regards

Joe De Livera

Joe:

Thanks for your detailed reply. I really appreciate the good work you are doing.

I would like to ask you a question, that is not listed any where on your website and even on abc, what if there is aggravation or proving from using Arnica wet dose, what should someone do in that case.

I asked this question to cope with the emergencies, so I can suggest the Arnica wet dose method to my patients also.

Best regards,

To Mani

I can state quite categorically after using Arnica 30c nightly or more often on demand for the last 16 years, first in the Dry pellets up to 2005 and in the Wet dose thereafter, that I have never encountered any aggravation caused by proving of Arnica in the Wet dose. I did not have any proving even in the dry pellets and it is therefore safe to assume that Arnica is one of those remedies that will never fall into this category.

In the very unlikely event of it doing so the answer is simple. Stop taking it.

May I suggest that you take it yourself for a few days before you prescribe it to your patients as I feel that it is important that you have the courage of your convictions before you do so.

I would appreciate if you will please keep me informed of your reaction to Arnica when you use it.

Joe:

I am really happy to receive your reply. In fact, I prescribed it to one of my collegue, who wanted to quite smoking. After using it for 3 days, there was some kind of strong reaction, and there were some strong type of convulsions. It was so much strong, that my colleage described it that if his head was going to separate from his neck, n it was always at the time he was going to sleep. I immediately asked him to stop the wet dose. Its been 2 years to this, however, till date he is having the problem of convulsions though the intensity is not much high. Please also note that before taking the remedy, he nevery had this problem of convulsion.

I would appreciate, if you could mention some antidote to such type of reaction from the remedy.

Best regards,

To Mani

I am indeed very interested in your report of the convulsions that your colleague suffered shortly after he took Arnica (30c?) in the Wet dose to help stop his smoking habit.

This has never been reported to me before and he will hopefully not have any repeat of this reaction in future if he uses the Split dose method for a few days to condition his body to accept the Arnica which should be in the 6c potency for helping with smoking.

Camphor 30c is the Antidote.

The split dose is made by inserting a capful or a teaspoonful of the liquid remedy into half a cup of water from which a large teaspoonful is sipped twice daily.

Please keep me advised of the progress of his Convulsions from which you stated that he had been suffering for 2 years previously. It is likely that Arnica taken in the Split dose can help him to overcome his ailment as the fact that it had evoked a strong response can indicate that it is his remedy when taken in an infinitesimal dilution.

I believe that it will cure his Convulsions and he may also Quit smoking.

Regards

Considering that Arnica triggered this complaint, taking the same remedy again is unlikely to help him, and could in fact cause further damage.

Sometimes any remedy can trigger chronic problems, as in effect it is similar to a traumatic event (an artificial disease state we create for the purpose of healing, when applied properly). A patient with great sensitivity must be treated very carefully with any remedy.

As per Hahnemann's advice in the Organon, the case should be taken with current and new symptoms together, to arrive at a remedy that is similar to the combined state.

David

I do wish that you will desist from interfering with the therapy I prescribe to my patients.

It seems to me that you cannot overcome that inner compulsion in your psyche which impels you to do so purely to show off your own interpretation of what you consider is pristine in your knowledge of Homeopathy. I presume that your recent experience as a teacher of this Science is also a causative factor.

You must know that I too have been a student of Homeopathy, perhaps long before you were born. I was fortunate that I did so on my own by doing a course of self study without the blinkers that are part of the training that you were brainwashed into accepting as gospel in the classical college you were trained in.

I do not criticize the therapy that you prescribe which I note you do now without requesting the patient to attend your clinic in Brisbane. I also note that you prescribe very rarely, and perhaps with some reluctance as if you are compelled to do so because of the public exposure that you are subjected to on the ABC.

I expect you to desist from criticizing my therapy as you have often seen that it leads to time consuming arguments from me to you and vice versa which I consider is an absolute waste of my time. It seems strange that you persist on continuing your attack protocol on my posts although you do not repeat this process on posts made by other prescribers and I would dearly like to know the real reason why my posts trigger this response from you in a manner similar to the proverbial red rag to a bull.

In the case of this patient who used Arnica 30c to try to quit smoking, I am very surprised indeed that he had the reaction reported. You will observe however from Mani's report that he (the patient) had suffered from convulsions for some time previously and I am interested that he reacted in this manner in 3 days taking Arnica daily which I hope he did in the Wet dose. I would also like to know how may doses he took per day as all this information is a valuable addition to my research. I am aware that Arnica 30 taken in the Dry Pellets has caused one similar reaction in the distant past but this response has NEVER been reported in the Wet dose.

This person (patient) is trying to quit smoking and has taken Arnica which he must use in the 6c potency and in the Wet dose to help him to quit smoking and I have no doubt that if he follows my instructions and takes it in the Split dose that he will condition his body to the Wet dose in a few days.

If he succeeds in quitting smoking using my therapy I shall then treat his Convulsions.

Joe

Joe & brisbanehomoeopath:

I am really thankful to you for providing such a valuable comments. In fact, brisbanehomoeopath approach is classical homeopathy, who is looking for the new symptoms arising and case taking. However, as stated, my colleague, had never the symptoms of convulsion ever before. So its most probably the Arnica remedy which is proving itself.

I would also confirm, that he was given Arnica 30c in wet dose, twice daily as prescribed by Joe. Also to confirm that he was given Arnica 6c dry to antidote the reaction, however, it didn't help him. I could not advise him to continue the wet dose, even in 6c or 30 because the convulsions reported were so strong and it was reported that 'as if his head was going to separate from his neck'.

Looking into Joe's comments;
'I am aware that Arnica 30 taken in the Dry Pellets has caused one similar reaction in the distant past'

It has been admitted that Arnica is capable of creating such symptoms if taken in dry pellets, however, wet dose may or may not create such symptoms, its not yet clear, since no case has been reported to-date.

I would like to ask Joe to please explain, what actually wet dose is, I mean, what is actually happending, are we increasing the potency say it becomes 1m , 10m or 50m or so, OR its is decreasing the actual potency say to x or even down to Q.

I would be waiting for your comments, I really want to help my colleague to overcome his new symptoms.

Best Regards,
[message edited by mani_jee on Sat, 12 Mar 2011 06:38:23 GMT]

To Mani

I owe you an apology for not having given instructions on how the Wet dose is to be made. You and I were discussing Arnica in previous posts I had made on this thread and I presumed that you were already aware of how the Wet dose is made which I copied from Luc de Schepper's own method of doing so.

I would like to have your confirmation that your patient who used Arnica 30c to help quit smoking used the protocol below to make the Wet Dose. I would also like to mention here that I have experimented with both Arnica 30c and 6c for patients who wished to quit smoking and I found that the 6c was by far more effective.

You stated:
'I would also confirm, that he was given Arnica 30c in wet dose, twice daily as prescribed by Joe. Also to confirm that he was given Arnica 6c dry to antidote the reaction, however, it didn't help him. I could not advise him to continue the wet dose, even in 6c or 30 because the convulsions reported were so strong and it was reported that 'as if his head was going to separate from his neck'. '

Did you use the protocol copied below to make the Wet dose?

You cannot antidote any remedy by giving the patient a lower potency as the presence of the remedy (Arnica) is more concentrated in the 6c when compared to the 30c.

As I stated in my last post the Antidote for Arnica is Camphor 30c given DRY.


I cannot really explain how the Wet dose works and compare it with how the Dry pellets work but suffice it to state that in my experience the Wet dose used as prescribed has never been the cause of any reaction as it is so very mild in comparison to the dry pellets.

I believe that it is the succussion prior to each dose that makes the difference when compared to the dry pellets as it is accepted that succussion increases the potency of the remedy by a minute amount which then gives it more power to help cure the patient. I must admit that I have no real evidence of this 'fact' as I am only quoting Luc.


I shall copy the protocol I have on my HD to make the Wet dose below:

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.



This is because the pellets are activated by using the Ethanol product of which a few drops are inserted on the dry lactose pellets in the ratio of about 4 drops on 100 pellets. It will be seen that when 4 activated pellets are inserted into a 500ml bottle of spring water, the concentration of the original liquid Ethanol in which the remedy is carried cannot equate the 3 drops that I recommend.

I have had instances where the patient's ailment was not responding to the pellets but reacted positively as soon as the 3 drops of Ethanol were dropped into the same bottle which he had originally activated with the pellets.

Homeopathic remedies are usually marketed in the standard No 20 or 2mm Ø pellets which are used sublingually as the dose but the Wet dose is best taken as a teaspoonful or for convenience, a capful of the bottle. The succussion by shaking hard adds to the power of the remedy and the ailment responds quickly and the patient is cured.

This therapy has been labelled 'Joepathy' by classical homeopaths as the dry pellets cannot equate my therapy in the rate of cure.

You may like to know that I first observed how effective the Wet dose was when Dr Luc de Schepper, an Internationally recognized Homeoapth who was here in Sri Lanka in 2005 for a few weeks to help the survivors of our Tsunami on December 26 2004, used this method of giving remedies to his patients. They were all instructed to bring a small bottle of water when they came to consult him into which he would insert about 4 dry pellets of the remedy which of he had a stock of about 100 remedies. It was after I observed that this method was working better than the dry pellets taken sublingually that I too converted from the dry lactose pellets to the dose in water which he pointed out was not his invention but was first referred to by Hahnemann in the 5th and the 6th Editions of the Organon. The reference however was to the 'Split dose' where a teaspoonful of the remedy is mixed into a half a cup of water from which the patient sipped a mouthful. This technique was prescribed for ailments like Asthma but I soon discovered that it was not effective for others as the dilution of the remedy was too extreme. It was then that I coined the term 'WET DOSE' which I have used exclusively since 2005 and I am gratified to note that it is now being used by many homeopaths internationally and refered to under the same title 'Wet dose' in the Homeopathic Forums.

You can read more about the 'Wet dose' if you type these words into Google to read the many thousands of hits, many of them cases that I have treated, that result.

Dear Joe:

The protocol you mentioned was followed. However, a few years back you used the protocol to drop dry pellets in 500 ml bottle and then the same succussion method before each dose and I followed the same protocol.

Liquid dilution (ethanol) method was not mentioned at that time and hence not followed.

Best regards,
[message edited by mani_jee on Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:41:51 GMT]

It is after I noticed that a remedy in the Liquid Dilution in Ethanol was more potent than the standard pellets that I changed over. You can still use the pellets but if you wish to use a remedy that will help you more effectively you must use the remedy in Ethanol.

I am glad to note that you have been following my posts to patients for some years. You will notice that the only purpose of my being present on the ABC and other Homeopathic Forums is to help the patient towards a cure. I am not a classically trained Homeopath as I do not have any qualifications but I do have a deep understanding of this Science which I have formulated into a more positive form of curative therapy which has been labelled 'Joepathy' which I shall continue to use in the future for as long as I am able to at my advanced age of 82 years.

You are invited to visit my website

joedelivera.com