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Help for my post CKG joint pains..
Dear Dr.Joe,I am a resident of Mumbai ,India ,female,in my forties,married.I got infected by the CKG virus in Aug 2010 and the symptoms just appeared one fine morning on Aug 15th. I suffered very agoninizing joint pains.Not a single joint was spared,i had low fever, rashes on my face ,redness in eyes (even rash on tip of tongue) ,itching all over body, no appetite for a week, ,bitterness in mouth , fatigue,difficulty in walking etc etc.Somehow with the help of anti-inflammatories and a shot of a steroid after going to a rheumatology specialist towards the 2nd month of suffering,i pulled through this nightmare and went about my life.
The joint pains subsided or were masked due to the injection. I even went on a tour to Europe in Dec and seemed fine with minimal pains and discomfort.Post my return after 3 weeks , i still felt quite good and normal and had only slight pains in few joints like some extremities (mainly thumbs and forefingers and little fingers ) remained, which was bearable..The back of the neck joint(collar) still hurt while turning head to left or right but has faded to some extent since.So i thought the symptoms were finally going away...i had read a lot on CKG and people who suffered had been telling that this wont pass so soon and will take months and even years.
Now i have completed 9 months since i got this dreaded disease but since last 2 months have noticed some new pains in my feet which were not so pronounced earlier.When i wake up in the morning and after getting up from sitting for a while , i get severe and shooting pain on top of the left foot where the foot slopes.I have to shuffle and walk with a limp till the body warms up and then i'm fine.Now there is a slight swelling too on the left foot top.Also around the ankle and border of right foot.Also the small finger joints of my right hand hurt a lot which has never actually improved since 9 mths and the forefingers and thumbs continue the same and bending at the knucle joints is painful.My wrists are still weak.Despite all this i have continued with my gymming ( i have been doing so since last 5 years)and do so at least 3-4 times a week and lift fairly heavy weights and do a lot of cycling,threadmill and and all resistance machines and feel fine with no discomfort.The pains are mainly when i take rest and get up.I am physically quite fit otherwise.But feel the slump in energy at times towards end of the day.
Now after reading all your advice about the polyporous pinicola 200c in wet dose i am tempted to try it.I have read the method of taking it.
But i am not clear about certain things which i hope u will clarify.
1.Is only spring water recommended? Mineral water or home aquaguard water will not work?
2.You said take 1 tsp of the solution...but how may times a day?
3.For how many days must i take this medicine.
4.If i dont get the medicine in liquid form pills of same potency would do? and how many pills to add to the water? i think you mentioned 3?
Dr.Joe i am hoping you will help me in my queries.Thank you a million!!
cinaraK on 2011-05-16
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Thank you for alerting me by email to your post.
You have already read the therapy I have prescribed for Chikungunya which has saved over 200 patients in Sri Lanka when we had the pandemic in 2008 and I experimented with various potencies of Polyporous Pinicola which is the only one in the whole world that can cure this dreaded disease. I found that the 200c taken in the Wet dose is by far the most effective and gave it to all my patients in a bottle of spring water free of charge. Many patients reported that they were cured of all joint pains which as you know are simply excruciating and all the other symptoms that you listed within a maximum of 48 hours.
I was simply amazed to find that one patient who arrived by taxicab and had to be helped to my office returned within 36 hours smiling as if he never was infected. Such is the power of Polyporous Pinicola 200 to cure this disease.
Answering your questions:
Spring water is usually water drawn from deep bore wells. Here in Sri Lanka we have one which is drawn from a depth of just under 100M and this is the best here. I do not know what Mineral water and Aquaguard water is but either is OK as long as it is not chlorinated as the chlorine antidotes all Homeo remedies.
The dose is a capful of the bottle or a teaspoonful taken twice daily.
You will know when to stop taking the PP when your aches and pains are stabilized. You will need the remedy for many years in the future as this disease is the only one that I am aware of which repeats itself up to 4 times in 3 years
You must get the PP in the Alcohol pack from
MUMBAI
The Zorastrian Pharmacy
600 J S S Road
Chira Bazaar
Next to Wadia's Fire Temple
Mumbai 400 002
22013226
Please report your response in a week or earlier when you feel that your symptoms have been stabilized.
It occurs to me that you will also benefit by taking
Arnica 30 in the Wet dose taken twice daily for a month and reduced to once nightly thereafter.
Go easy on your exercise till you are absolutely OK.
One question:
Where were you infected with the CKG Virus which is always mosquito borne?
You have already read the therapy I have prescribed for Chikungunya which has saved over 200 patients in Sri Lanka when we had the pandemic in 2008 and I experimented with various potencies of Polyporous Pinicola which is the only one in the whole world that can cure this dreaded disease. I found that the 200c taken in the Wet dose is by far the most effective and gave it to all my patients in a bottle of spring water free of charge. Many patients reported that they were cured of all joint pains which as you know are simply excruciating and all the other symptoms that you listed within a maximum of 48 hours.
I was simply amazed to find that one patient who arrived by taxicab and had to be helped to my office returned within 36 hours smiling as if he never was infected. Such is the power of Polyporous Pinicola 200 to cure this disease.
Answering your questions:
Spring water is usually water drawn from deep bore wells. Here in Sri Lanka we have one which is drawn from a depth of just under 100M and this is the best here. I do not know what Mineral water and Aquaguard water is but either is OK as long as it is not chlorinated as the chlorine antidotes all Homeo remedies.
The dose is a capful of the bottle or a teaspoonful taken twice daily.
You will know when to stop taking the PP when your aches and pains are stabilized. You will need the remedy for many years in the future as this disease is the only one that I am aware of which repeats itself up to 4 times in 3 years
You must get the PP in the Alcohol pack from
MUMBAI
The Zorastrian Pharmacy
600 J S S Road
Chira Bazaar
Next to Wadia's Fire Temple
Mumbai 400 002
22013226
Please report your response in a week or earlier when you feel that your symptoms have been stabilized.
It occurs to me that you will also benefit by taking
Arnica 30 in the Wet dose taken twice daily for a month and reduced to once nightly thereafter.
Go easy on your exercise till you are absolutely OK.
One question:
Where were you infected with the CKG Virus which is always mosquito borne?
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thankyou very much for your detailed reply Dr Joe.
This evening i have already got the PP 200c pack in liquid form (5 ml ). The homeopthic pharmacy in my area is well stocked with all the remedies so it was easy to get the PP.
I will start the dosage from tomorrow morn with mineral water(unchlorinated).Will also begin the Arnica 30 dosage as advised by you.
Will post the progress in a couple of days,
Thanks once again.
This evening i have already got the PP 200c pack in liquid form (5 ml ). The homeopthic pharmacy in my area is well stocked with all the remedies so it was easy to get the PP.
I will start the dosage from tomorrow morn with mineral water(unchlorinated).Will also begin the Arnica 30 dosage as advised by you.
Will post the progress in a couple of days,
Thanks once again.
cinaraK last decade
I forgot to mention that i was infected in mumbai itself as i had not been out of mumbai at all .But surprisingly when i ran a blood test for CKG it came out negative.But i am sure from all the symptoms i suffered that it was CKG or a strain of it .At that time last year a strain called Ross River Virus was also rampant and many cases were found in Pune.
cinaraK last decade
The chances of your being infected with CKG are remote on the basis of the facts that you have recorded now for the reasons below:
CKG was not reported in Mumbai as far as I am aware. You can check this matter yourself.
'when i ran a blood test for CKG it came out negative'
It would be of academic interest to me to read your record of how you progress in the next 48 hours.
CKG was not reported in Mumbai as far as I am aware. You can check this matter yourself.
'when i ran a blood test for CKG it came out negative'
It would be of academic interest to me to read your record of how you progress in the next 48 hours.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Hi dr joe,
have taken my first dose of PP this morn and the next will be tonite before sleeping right?Not yet started the arnica dosage.
I have a question..
Do i have to make a fresh bottle of the PP reconstitution again tomorrowor use from the same contents of today? similarly for Arnica? will i have to make a fresh 500 ml bottle daily for a month? ..i'm a little confused so bear with me plz.
P.S.I will also post a fresh new case for your consultation soon not connected to CKG as i want to tackle my problem with homeopathy .
have taken my first dose of PP this morn and the next will be tonite before sleeping right?Not yet started the arnica dosage.
I have a question..
Do i have to make a fresh bottle of the PP reconstitution again tomorrowor use from the same contents of today? similarly for Arnica? will i have to make a fresh 500 ml bottle daily for a month? ..i'm a little confused so bear with me plz.
P.S.I will also post a fresh new case for your consultation soon not connected to CKG as i want to tackle my problem with homeopathy .
cinaraK last decade
No you do not have to make a new bottle of the remedy daily. You will use your bottle right down to the end which will be in about 3 months at 2 capfulls daily.
I am awaiting your report of your response to the PP with interest and quite frankly I believe that we are barking up the wrong tree.
Make sure that you take the Arnica twice daily as prescribed with the last dose just before bed.
I am awaiting your report of your response to the PP with interest and quite frankly I believe that we are barking up the wrong tree.
Make sure that you take the Arnica twice daily as prescribed with the last dose just before bed.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dr Joe,
Just wanted to give an update although wanted to wait a few more days...
i started with P.pinicola 200 wet dose since mon night and continuing till date.Also started Arnica 30 from tue night...well on tue morn i got up a little lighter and without the customary heaviness in my left foot and dint shuffle or limp when i walked towards the bathroom as i would do so.So i was very encouraged and excited.The pains in my knuckles remained though .But overall to date i feel its a slow and gradual improvement .Say a 10-20% improvement from before.But occasionally the heaviness creeps into my left foot around the border of the foot on left side and of the right foot on right side.Its like the feet bones hurt a lot.Then it passes.I feel fine to walk long distances though with no pains.
I must mention that when i asked for help i was not really in a lot of pain b but the niggling pain was there at times specially when waking and getting up from sitting for a while.I wanted to completely put right what traces of pain remained due to any antibodies or toxins remaining in my system from the CKG.
My right knee hurts specially while climbing stairs .This has been there even before the CKG.My father was arhritic and so also my elder sister is affected to some extent.
I must mention one more imp info' which i withheld earlier...
About 4 yrs ago my elsest sister was visiting mumbai and she contracted(was bitten by the CKG mosquito) and when she went to her hometown she was completely bedridden with CKG and suffere a lot for more than a year.(still is).Another sister in mumbai( who i said has osteo arthritis) got it too at that time but a mild attack n recovered soon with painkillers.I too had a mild attack and had the joint pains ,extremities swollen and rashes but bounced back within a week or so and made a splendid recovery.Now i got thsi attck after the 4 year gap....could it be related to that ? or was i freshly infected/i cant say.The other sisters are quite okay till date with no relapses.So cant call mine a relapse.At that time many people had got CKG too as it was widesopread . A lot of our friends here and there suffered they said.The test has come about now only,but surprisingly it turned out negative like i said.I was told that like the malaria and dengue parasites in blood show at a certain peak time maybe i took the blood test at the wrong time.Whatever the fact remains and i am convinced it was CKG!!
Anywayz,I will continue with these two dosages for a week.What do you feel joe?
I want to start another thread for my hair fall condition today.Kindly advise.
Thanks and awaiting your reply.
Just wanted to give an update although wanted to wait a few more days...
i started with P.pinicola 200 wet dose since mon night and continuing till date.Also started Arnica 30 from tue night...well on tue morn i got up a little lighter and without the customary heaviness in my left foot and dint shuffle or limp when i walked towards the bathroom as i would do so.So i was very encouraged and excited.The pains in my knuckles remained though .But overall to date i feel its a slow and gradual improvement .Say a 10-20% improvement from before.But occasionally the heaviness creeps into my left foot around the border of the foot on left side and of the right foot on right side.Its like the feet bones hurt a lot.Then it passes.I feel fine to walk long distances though with no pains.
I must mention that when i asked for help i was not really in a lot of pain b but the niggling pain was there at times specially when waking and getting up from sitting for a while.I wanted to completely put right what traces of pain remained due to any antibodies or toxins remaining in my system from the CKG.
My right knee hurts specially while climbing stairs .This has been there even before the CKG.My father was arhritic and so also my elder sister is affected to some extent.
I must mention one more imp info' which i withheld earlier...
About 4 yrs ago my elsest sister was visiting mumbai and she contracted(was bitten by the CKG mosquito) and when she went to her hometown she was completely bedridden with CKG and suffere a lot for more than a year.(still is).Another sister in mumbai( who i said has osteo arthritis) got it too at that time but a mild attack n recovered soon with painkillers.I too had a mild attack and had the joint pains ,extremities swollen and rashes but bounced back within a week or so and made a splendid recovery.Now i got thsi attck after the 4 year gap....could it be related to that ? or was i freshly infected/i cant say.The other sisters are quite okay till date with no relapses.So cant call mine a relapse.At that time many people had got CKG too as it was widesopread . A lot of our friends here and there suffered they said.The test has come about now only,but surprisingly it turned out negative like i said.I was told that like the malaria and dengue parasites in blood show at a certain peak time maybe i took the blood test at the wrong time.Whatever the fact remains and i am convinced it was CKG!!
Anywayz,I will continue with these two dosages for a week.What do you feel joe?
I want to start another thread for my hair fall condition today.Kindly advise.
Thanks and awaiting your reply.
cinaraK last decade
I have also read in various medical journals on the net that a person once infected by CKG has immunity from it for life? is this true joe?but u said something different in your replies to me....plz clarify.
cinaraK last decade
As you are aware I was almost certain that you were not suffering from CKG and I remember that I once stated that 'we are barking up the wrong tree'.
However in the light of your last post I have no doubt whatever that you were originally infected with CKG virus and that today 4 years later, you are still suffering from its after effects. I do not believe that yours is a new infection as I believe that this is the left over effect from your last attack.
You are advised to continue to take the PP 200 in the Wet dose twice daily for as long as you feel that it is necessary. After you find that you are not in any pain or discomfort, you can stop it but in your own interest I feel that you should take a capful just once weekly.
You can also help to relieve the pain that your sisters are suffering from as they too will be cured if they use the PP 200 in the Wet dose prescribed by me.
However in the light of your last post I have no doubt whatever that you were originally infected with CKG virus and that today 4 years later, you are still suffering from its after effects. I do not believe that yours is a new infection as I believe that this is the left over effect from your last attack.
You are advised to continue to take the PP 200 in the Wet dose twice daily for as long as you feel that it is necessary. After you find that you are not in any pain or discomfort, you can stop it but in your own interest I feel that you should take a capful just once weekly.
You can also help to relieve the pain that your sisters are suffering from as they too will be cured if they use the PP 200 in the Wet dose prescribed by me.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
just to inform you joe...
am still taking the PP200 and Arnica 30.I dont have any pains as such but the stiffness in left leg is there still on waking and getting up from sitting long.Some of the knuckle joint pains continue..but i can feel the pain only if i test by bending at the knuckle.This was so also before the medication.
Overall the response is static.
But what i have noticed is that i dont sleep well since i started these medications.
Earlier i had good sleep .I stay awake tossing and turning ad getup unrefreshed.Is this any relation to what im taking/
On the other hand i have read posts of people saying they get sound sleep with arnica!!.I am amazed.
I will continue for some more time.
Another thing joe,i have read extensively all the posts related to hairafll and pinponted the treatment from all your recommendations and already started them
You recommend ARNICA Q in olive oil 20%
and ARNICA 6c as wet dosage.
I have made both as per your detailed instructions.In some places you had recommended 30c
But i am already taking the 30c for my CKG treatment so is it necessary to again have the arnica 6c too? as both potencies are good you according to you.
I have been taking PP ,arnica 30 and arnica 6c .Am i wrong in doing this?Kindly advise.
My hair fall is since years and now its very thin at temples and can see the scalp.
I am hypothyrodic since 3 yrs but am under control .Have no symptoms except for the hair fall.Am on thyroxine... currently 100 mg and 50 mg on alternate days.
Plz advise me about the hairfall remedy and whether i am doing right .So far hair condition hasnt improved since using the hair emulsion and arnica 30 .Its been only few days though.
Thanks and awiting your response sir.
[message edited by cinaraK on Sun, 22 May 2011 09:34:49 BST]
am still taking the PP200 and Arnica 30.I dont have any pains as such but the stiffness in left leg is there still on waking and getting up from sitting long.Some of the knuckle joint pains continue..but i can feel the pain only if i test by bending at the knuckle.This was so also before the medication.
Overall the response is static.
But what i have noticed is that i dont sleep well since i started these medications.
Earlier i had good sleep .I stay awake tossing and turning ad getup unrefreshed.Is this any relation to what im taking/
On the other hand i have read posts of people saying they get sound sleep with arnica!!.I am amazed.
I will continue for some more time.
Another thing joe,i have read extensively all the posts related to hairafll and pinponted the treatment from all your recommendations and already started them
You recommend ARNICA Q in olive oil 20%
and ARNICA 6c as wet dosage.
I have made both as per your detailed instructions.In some places you had recommended 30c
But i am already taking the 30c for my CKG treatment so is it necessary to again have the arnica 6c too? as both potencies are good you according to you.
I have been taking PP ,arnica 30 and arnica 6c .Am i wrong in doing this?Kindly advise.
My hair fall is since years and now its very thin at temples and can see the scalp.
I am hypothyrodic since 3 yrs but am under control .Have no symptoms except for the hair fall.Am on thyroxine... currently 100 mg and 50 mg on alternate days.
Plz advise me about the hairfall remedy and whether i am doing right .So far hair condition hasnt improved since using the hair emulsion and arnica 30 .Its been only few days though.
Thanks and awiting your response sir.
[message edited by cinaraK on Sun, 22 May 2011 09:34:49 BST]
cinaraK last decade
I note that you have reported that 'Overall the response is static.'
This is perhaps due to your NOT succussing the remedy by shaking the bottle hard to agitate the remedy water at least 6 times. Do this and report any difference.
Have you observed any improvement in your general response after you took these 2 remedies ?
As for your loss of hair you are already aware of my default therapy which you are using today. You are using the Arnica 30c for your CKG and this is sufficient to help your hair with the massage with Arnica Q in Olive Oil.
I believe that your problem is due to your Hypothyrodic condition and there is very little more that can be done for you to help your loss of hair. It is also possible that the CKG and the drugs that you were give for it have also contributed their fair share towards your loss of hair.
This is perhaps due to your NOT succussing the remedy by shaking the bottle hard to agitate the remedy water at least 6 times. Do this and report any difference.
Have you observed any improvement in your general response after you took these 2 remedies ?
As for your loss of hair you are already aware of my default therapy which you are using today. You are using the Arnica 30c for your CKG and this is sufficient to help your hair with the massage with Arnica Q in Olive Oil.
I believe that your problem is due to your Hypothyrodic condition and there is very little more that can be done for you to help your loss of hair. It is also possible that the CKG and the drugs that you were give for it have also contributed their fair share towards your loss of hair.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
thanks for replying.
Firstly i must say that i have succussed the bottle very well at times maybe even shaking upto 20 times!
And no my hair fall has been always there since years and years...and i had tried every treatment under the sun...even homeo therapy previosly from dr Batra ( many years ago) but to no avail.I just let it be and then tried self help using lotions home cures etc.
Hypothyroidism is a recent thing of the last 3 yrs. And no i had no unusual drugs for CKG ..except the painkillers at times.
You also have recommended weisbeden 200 if arnica does not work.Can i start now or wait for some time and introduce that later? and how often to take it.Just keeping my options open.
[message edited by cinaraK on Sun, 22 May 2011 12:28:47 BST]
Firstly i must say that i have succussed the bottle very well at times maybe even shaking upto 20 times!
And no my hair fall has been always there since years and years...and i had tried every treatment under the sun...even homeo therapy previosly from dr Batra ( many years ago) but to no avail.I just let it be and then tried self help using lotions home cures etc.
Hypothyroidism is a recent thing of the last 3 yrs. And no i had no unusual drugs for CKG ..except the painkillers at times.
You also have recommended weisbeden 200 if arnica does not work.Can i start now or wait for some time and introduce that later? and how often to take it.Just keeping my options open.
[message edited by cinaraK on Sun, 22 May 2011 12:28:47 BST]
cinaraK last decade
Hair Loss is an extremely difficult problem to treat successfully but there are many grateful patients on this forum who have confirmed that their hair was restored to normal using my therapy.
You have suggested Weisbaden but many to whom I have prescribed it many years ago confirmed that it was just a waste of time.
The Massage with the Arnica Q emulsion on a daily basis is perhaps the most effective and many have reported noticing the new hairs popping up between their existing hair in the light of a flashlight on the scalp in a darkened room.
There is very little more that I can suggest for your CKG but do persist with my therapy which has helped many hundreds.
You have suggested Weisbaden but many to whom I have prescribed it many years ago confirmed that it was just a waste of time.
The Massage with the Arnica Q emulsion on a daily basis is perhaps the most effective and many have reported noticing the new hairs popping up between their existing hair in the light of a flashlight on the scalp in a darkened room.
There is very little more that I can suggest for your CKG but do persist with my therapy which has helped many hundreds.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
thanks fo the reassurance.Frankly CKG is the least of my worries coz it is as good as vanishing from my system and i have been quite normal n active since months now.Just wanted to hasten the slow nature's way of cure and be a 100% okay if ever i will be.Its in the Lord's hands.I am not so affected by it in my daily life.
But the hair fall is worrying and makes me feel awkward socially .You know how it is with women ...hair is the crowning glory and hair fall lowers your self esteem and makes one depressed .
anyway i will continue your treatment for a few weeks and post my impressions.
Thanks once again for your time and patience sir.
[message edited by cinaraK on Sun, 22 May 2011 12:51:12 BST]
But the hair fall is worrying and makes me feel awkward socially .You know how it is with women ...hair is the crowning glory and hair fall lowers your self esteem and makes one depressed .
anyway i will continue your treatment for a few weeks and post my impressions.
Thanks once again for your time and patience sir.
[message edited by cinaraK on Sun, 22 May 2011 12:51:12 BST]
cinaraK last decade
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