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Arnica 6c or 30c. Some info for readers

ppl r confused which potency of Arnica to use if they have BP & Diabetes, both.
Homeopaths agreed that If u use higher potency lower potency does not work. There is no need to take lower potency at all if u have taken higher potency

Than which potency would work if u have both ailments?

Joe has mentioned several times to use Arnica 6c for Diabetes and 30c for BP. does 6c works with 30c ? Let's say u take 6c in am and 30c pm.

I tried 6c on my father who has BP and Diabetes and it has worked for both conditions. His sugar came down from 140 to 105. His BP stays 120-130 / 70-80. He takes Arnica regularly now. He is not taking any allopath medicine for sugar and his BP dose from 100mg reduced to 25 mg now since taking Arnica 6c. He is 78 years old.

I tried Arnica 6c on myself. I don't have high BP but I suffer from Hypoglycemia. I was worried what if it brings my sugar way low.
Arnica 6c did not bring my sugar down infact it keeps my sugar level in 90's.
 
  lal_anar on 2011-06-05
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Potency has nothing to do with the name of the illness you are trying to treat. Potency is selected on a variety of factors present in the patient's situation, and should be selected individually for that situation.

There are many things which might determine using one potency over another.

1.The more peculiar symptoms the patient has that matches those of the remedy, the higher in potency you can (and should) go (eg. fluorescent discharges of Anthrop-x, or the sensation of acid dissolving the inner parts of Limulus).

2. The more common and undifferentiated symptoms the prescriber uses, the lower in potency you would give (eg. throbbing headache, itching at night, warmth aggravates, stiff joints).

3. The different levels of the person being mainly affected can determine the best potency. When the disease affects the higher levels of a person (mental state) you will typically need to give a higher potency. When the disease is creating no symptoms except a pathology (ie. a common presentation of diabetes) then lower potencies can be used. Each potency will tend to have better effects when given to people who are expressing the majority of their symptoms in the corresponding level.

4. Potency also needs to be selected according to the intensity of the disease. Very powerful intense states will need higher potencies. Less intense, slower moving states will need lower potencies.

5. Potency will affect people who are very sensitive differently as well - highly sensitive people may need to be given lower potencies to prevent serious aggravation (at least until their sensitivity is cured).

6. The amount of medical suppression in the case may also require lower potencies given more frequently, to counteract the constant suppressive effect of medications.

7. There are other indications that different practioners will use - the amount of denial expressed in mental cases, the types of dreams that patients experience and so on. Some of these methods are fairly advanced and difficult to master.

Potency should be tailored to the individual patient, by assessing the direction of cure, and the general reactions they have. Then you would go up or down in potency to find the correct level for them to create cure.

It has been observed that the higher in potency you go, the more precise your prescription must be for your patient. The lower potencies tend to palliate or even suppress diseases due to their effect on the general and common symptoms.

David Kempson
Professional Homoeopath
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Sun, 05 Jun 2011 05:23:09 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
To Lal

Thank you for recording your Dad's response in controlling his Blood Sugar levels with Arnica 6c in the Wet dose. I also note that he feels that it also controls his Blood Pressure but I have discovered another more effective remedy for BP which I will refer to later in this article.

It is way back in 2005 that I was informed by a qualified doctor (MBBS) with Type I Diabetes that he had experienced a significant drop of his Blood Sugar levels shortly after taking the first dose of Arnica 6c that I had given him to help cure a non healing wound in his toe which he was having dressed for about 6 months prior. Since that time I have been giving Arnica 6c in the Wet dose to thousands of patients and the large majority of them (about 80%) have confirmed like your Dad that their BS levels dropped in an unbelievable manner which the standard drugs like Metformin that they were taking could not equal.

There is now no doubt whatever that Arnica 6c is the ULTIMATE REMEDY TO CONTROL DIABETES. It seems such a shame that the medical profession to whom I tried hard to introduce it just refused to do so even when I met the Director of the Diabetic section in the Faculty of Medicine Colombo, who refused to use the Wet dose in a bottle of Arnica 6c I made in his presence by inserting the 3 drops into it. According to him he will first have to experiment with it on dogs before he can use it for a Diabetic patient. When I pointed out to him that as far as I was aware dogs did not ever present Diabetes, he informed me that this problem was simple to overcome by injecting glucose into a dog IV and when his BS level was sufficiently high, he could then use the Arnica 6.

His statement just left me dumbfounded !!!

You may like to know that I have many patients who have replaced the drugs they were prescribed and are using Arnica 6c in the Wet dose in Sri Lanka. I have a whole family of Type I Diabetics in Mumbai who swear by this remedy and use it on a daily basis to supplement their Insulin of which they have reduced 35% of the original dosage. I had prescribed Arnica 6 to his teenage children and they have not so far presented Diabetes for the last 5 years. Both parents are Type I and there was every chance that the children will also inherit this gene.

The remedy that I have prescribed for Hypertension is Nat Mur 6c dose 3 tablets taken thrice daily. This has enabled many patients to replace the standard drugs they were prescribed with this Biochemic Cell Salt. You may like to know that Nat Mur 6x has never been used or referred to in the Homeopathic Textbooks in the same manner that Arnica 6c has not been used officially for Diabetes.

Both these remedies therefore are my discoveries and classify for the title 'Joepathy'.

For the record I shall copy my default instructions to make the Wet dose below:

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Liquid pack in Alcohol, also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
To David

It seems to me that you seem to be a very immature person judging by your responses to my posts during the last 2 years on the ABC where you often rush to print and later correct your statements which all add up to your immaturity. I do not know how old you are but you are aware that I am 82 years of age and perhaps old enough to be your father.

You must know that you are only letting the cat out of the bag by rushing into print by copying and pasting articles like the one above which you did within about 5 minutes of my own post advising my patient. You are advised to do so in future after the space of about an hour or more after my post to ensure that your pompous pontifications on the subject at hand achieve some semblance of credibility both to the patient and to me.

You must understand that I too can copy and paste the Organon on this forum but it would not be of any significance to the patient whom I may be treating

Please read my post in detail to at least appreciate what I am trying to tell my patient who has confirmed that my Arnica therapy has helped to control his Dad's Blood Sugar.

Joepathy has worked again !!!
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Well Joe, only some of that came from the Organon. I guess you have never read that book then, if you think it does. I have been practicing and teaching homoeopathy for a long time now it doesn't take very long to put all that into words - it comes from lots of practice and experience. When you actually know what you are talking about, the words come easily. I suppose I should be flattered that you think it is the words of Hahnemann himself. Heh, a very strange roundabout compliment indeed.

My post was not for you anyway, it was for the person who asked the question.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Sun, 05 Jun 2011 09:58:51 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
To David

You must really be kidding yourself if you think that my patient understands even a phrase of your technical treatise.

Do keep it up in the future to provide the average reader with more insights to your own immaturity.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Brisbane homeopath, i am not a homeopath. But, majority of Homeopath I talked, they told me not to use lower potency if u have started with higher potency.

That does not mean that we can never ever come back to lower potency in future. There should be a gap of few days after stopping of higher potency.

Joe has been telling ppl to use Arnica for DM & BP. I started Arnica after reading Joe's on this forum and other forum.
Arnica helped my mother also. She takes Arnica regularly for her BP. She started with 200-C but later we came to 30-C. It is helping my mother in controlling her BP.
 
lal_anar last decade
You can go up or down in potency, depending on how the patient has reacted to it.

The disease may shift location, or expression - for instance become less physical and more mental (go up in potency) or the mental state may improve and the disease begins showing itself physically (go down in potency).

It may also be that the disease may become more intense (go up in potency) or may reoccur in a much less intense form (go down in potency).

It might also be that a particular potency is wrongly selected and does not work, which means moving to a different one will work, regardless of whether it is higher or lower.

Potency selection is almost as vital as choosing the correct remedy. For long term management of disease/health, in fact potency selection is extremely important. One must have a good grasp of what the different potencies are for, and how to choose them, to get the most out of a single remedy. Many times I have seen practitioners abandon a good remedy, because they are unable to use potency and dosage to good effect.

It is important that if the patient has symptoms which are not being cured by the remedy, that either the potency, or the remedy itself, is changed. Any remedy that only works on only a few of the symptoms can make the patient incurable over time. A well prescribed medicine in the right potency and given at the right dosage (frequency, level of dilution, number of hits of the bottle etc) will cure most, if not all, of the symptoms a patient has.

This is of course not always so simple, and any patient can present in a fairly complex state, with a variety of obstacles and layers that must be dealt with to claim genuine cure.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
To Lal

I noticed that you stated:

'Arnica helped my mother also. She takes Arnica regularly for her BP. She started with 200-C but later we came to 30-C. It is helping my mother in controlling her BP.'

I was interested to learn that Arnica has also helped with your mother's Blood Pressure. Arnica will take some months to do so by clearing the debris in the arterial system by filtering out the Cholesterol and Triglycerides but it is not as effective as Nat Mur 6x which I discovered about a year ago is the best remedy to lower Blood Pressure.

The dose is 3 tablets taken thrice daily and your mother should notice that there should be a perceptible reduction of her BP in about 2 weeks.

It is understood that she will also cooperate by exercising daily and controlling her diet. If she is overweight she can reduce her weight by taking Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets taken immediately after each of 2 meals daily. She can expect a reduction of 1kg per week.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Brisbane, i understand what u said. Potency has always been a issue even with graduates of homeopathy schools.
Two of my close relatives were competent homeopaths. They passed away few years back. They had patients from every part of the world. They always recommended patients to use wet dose. Including Cell Salts. Only difference is for Cell Salts they used to add tabs each time in little bit water.
Joe has been recommending patients to use wet dose.
 
lal_anar last decade
Joe
Arnica has been doing excellent for my mother BP. Few months back my mother BP went very high like 180 / 110. It was Sunday around 6pm. We live in USA. We started getting ready to take her to ER. Within few minutes her BP cam down to 160/95.She said she started feeling better after Arnica 200C dose.
Within two hours her BP came to normal. But, she also takes her regular allopathic meds along with Arnica.
Now, she takes Arnica 30c twice a day and her other allopathic meds to keep BP stable.
 
lal_anar last decade
I would doubt it very much that Arnica 200 had anything to do with your mother's BP. She may have felt distinctly better shortly after taking it but this drop was due to the other drugs she is using today.

The point I wish to make is that she can use Nat Mur 6x as prescribed and many of my patients have succeeded in using this remedy to replace the drugs. As you are aware all drugs have their various side effects and if you can use a Homeopathic remedy in this case a Biochemic Cell Salt she would do much better with it in comparison to the drugs.

Arnica will clear up the debris in her arterial tree and in doing so her BP will drop.
 
Joe De Livera last decade

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