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[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:01:32 BST]
 
  allicando on 2011-06-27
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
It is true, that manner of dosing breaks with the guidelines in the Organon. Those guidelines are the result of decades of research and experimentation by Hahnemann so I don't really understand why people continue to use the dry doses.

It seems just a 'made up' dosing method to me. Why swap between 200c and LM6? Why go back to dry doses (why use them at all)?

Where is the succussion (hitting of the container against an elastic surface) necessary to alter each dose? Without alteration of the dose repeat doses become less effective, if not completely ineffective.

Sipping 200c all day?? That would mean he could have dozens of doses of 200c!

I cannot see any sense or logic to this. Has this person actually studied dosage methods in homoeopathy?

I think you are right to be very suspicious of her. Has there been any result yet?

David Kempson
Professional Homoeopath
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade

[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:01:55 BST]
 
allicando last decade

[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:02:24 BST]
 
allicando last decade
The problem appears to be me to be the lack of succussion. This is how the dose is altered. Diluting is important too, but that is only really going to minimize the aggravation. Succussion is vital to long term management and use of a medicine.

You have read Dr. Du Schepper's article on dosing haven't you? If not here is the link. I will also link his article on choosing a good homoeopath - he talks about the ones that love to mention how many homoeopaths they have studied under - frankly don't understand how 50 is that much different to 2 or 3. It is a strange boast.

http://www.drluc.com/lecture-two.html

http://www.drluc.com/homeopathy-select.htm
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade

[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:03:15 BST]
 
allicando last decade
I have no way of telling if the remedy is the correct one, so I can't give any advice on whether to repeat or not.

It is a shame though when practitioners insist on ruining their own cases through haste or lack of care. I just don't get it at all - it is hard enough just choosing the right remedy.

Size of the dose, Potency selection, Repetition of dose - these need to be done with thought and intelligence. They are so important!

However, if Sacchrum is the right remedy, then the dosing should be done as follows.

Only use one potency at at time - either he needs LM6 or he needs 200c, not both.

Get hold of a small bottle, 15-30ml size is sufficient, with a dropper on top.

Fill the bottle with a mixture of alcohol and water (1 part to 5 parts). Dissolve 2 pillules into this mixture.

For any dose you give, hit the bottle firmly against the palm of the hand twice. Place 1 drop into 1/2 cup of water, stir thoroughly and take 1 teaspoon into the mouth. Throw the rest of the cup away.

This is one dose. For 200 I would not normally repeat it straight away without assessing the reaction.

Each step can be adjusted to alter the effect of the remedy.

The more hits of the bottle, the more powerful the remdy becomes (potency increases). This is done usually because a remedy stops working so well, or at all.

The more drops you use, the more easily you can overcome an individual's natural resistance to the fine vibrations of remedies (size increase).

The more water you dilute in, the less aggravating the remedy becomes (Size decrease). After you are using 1 cup (250ml) of water, take the teaspoon out and put it in another amount of water (dilution to the second cup), which can be adjusted further depending on the reaction.

Frequency of dose needs to be assessed depending on what happens - does the patient relapse quite often, are they taking medication that undermines the action of the remedies, are there physical changes in the body that require more aggressive dosing (tissue changes often require more doses than purely functional diseases).

Potency also may need to be adjusted depending on both the reaction, and the evolution of the changes. You might need to go up and down in potency as the disease expresses itself in different locations.
 
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[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:02:50 BST]
 
allicando last decade

[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:03:33 BST]
 
allicando last decade
In my experience, the correct remedy will fix anything done previously by homoeopathic medicines. I would not worry.

My normal procedure for prescribing is to give one dose, and wait 7 days at least to assess. Aggravation should start within 3 days, and should peak around 3-5 days. At about 7 days you can usually see definite improvements setting in. 7-14 days the aggravation diminishes completely and nothing but improvement can be seen. At 14-21 days the improvement is usually most stable, and it can be determined what is not shifting under the action of the remedy.

Of course everyone has their own blueprint for cure, so some people wont follow this schedule - this is just what I see frequently. Some patients I have seen aggravate for 3 weeks and slowly improve over another 2 weeks, some aggravate only for a few hours and are 70% better within a week. It is watching for these individual reactions that alllows you to plan out repeat doses.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
This is very helpful, thank you! And it does put my mind at ease a bit!
 
allicando last decade
So how did things go with redosing?
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade

[message deleted by caligirl on Mon, 25 Jul 2011 18:06:36 BST]
 
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[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:04:30 BST]
 
allicando last decade
So I am supposed to keep waiting. It has been 11 days. :/
 
allicando last decade
Aggravation is part of the cure. The dose needs to be adjusted if his aggravation is too strong. How much water are you using, how many drops, how many hits of the bottle? The strength of the Split Dose is that it can be adjusted. Not adjusting it is a waste of the method.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Oh Split Dose makes it initially stronger by the way. If not adjusted you will indeed get more aggravation.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Initially he said shake the dropper bottle well before administering and give him 7 drops under the tongue. I asked if it was just once and then we wait, but he said DAILY and call him if something happened good or bad. So...I did it for 3 days until I could get a hold of him...It has been 11 days since the last dose. Is that considered a split dose? He is definitely thinking it was probably too strong a potency but wants me to wait longer to see if he turns a corner. I know chronic dosing can take a while but I just didn't expect it to be THIS long to notice any sort of ammelioration, considering there was little to no aggravation with the last remedy and almost immediate ammelioration.
 
allicando last decade
Forgot to say that I don't know how much water is in there, it came to me already diluted in a small dropper bottle, so I didn't do it myself. He said I could put the 7 drops into 4oz of distilled water, stir, and give a TSP of that, but prefers to wait and watch to see if ammelioration will indeed occur first.
[message edited by allicando on Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:53:25 BST]
 
allicando last decade
Ok that is still not the correct way to do the split dose. 7 drops directly on the tongue is a HUGE dose and will almost certainly cause aggravation in anyone.

I have no idea why practitioners don't learn the correct method - it is in our basic textbook and isn't that hard to get a handle on.

Hit the bottle twice, place ONE drop into a full cup of water, stir thoroughly and give ONE teaspoon only. If this creates too strong an aggravation, place that teaspoon into a second cup of water and stir, giving ONE teaspoon out of that. In fact, you can keep diulting it until the patient no longer suffers from the dose. Some of my very sensitive patients require diultion into 5 cups.

This of course is not to say that the remedy is correct, but if your child aggravates on all remedies, then if you cannot find a suitable and safe way to dose, you will spend months waiting for unneccesary aggravations to die down. It is an inefficient use of your time.
 
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[message deleted by allicando on Sat, 22 Oct 2011 05:05:09 BST]
 
allicando last decade
They can still choose the correct medicine - you can do the dosing yourself anyway so that is not really a big issue. It is the selection of the medicine that you are really relying on him for.
 
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