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I have been reading threads where i saw we telling people to go with masturbation even encouraging them excessively, i am stating my own opinion, i recently replied in a thread where patient asked for masturbation,side effects etc. Below is the link but i am going to copy my entire reply in this new thread, need opinions.here is the link of thread and below there is what i replied.

http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/287168/



Yeah masturbation isn't a disease though a habit and a real bad one but why we (homeopaths) need a prove of orthodox system? Don't we believe orthodox system isn't healing system, don't our philosophy goes against that system? Don't we disagree almost most of their treatments? Don't we admit and they also admit that their medicines have severest side effects? AND LASTLY DON'T WE BELIEVE THEY ARE MASKING THE REALITY OF DISEASES AND NOT MAKING PEOPLE AWARE WHAT THEY ARE DOING?? then why should we need a proof from them, we should follow our philosophy which i will state below.

And so in my experience who do EXCESSIVE masturbation need treatment for his mental state. It will surely cause him stress, usually i met people they are mentally ill i.e tense, depressed and that's why they told me that they do masturbate to cool their mind but instead it went more bad. Masturbating once or twice a week may not effect health. But in my opinion its only for those who aren't married , who don't have natural way of to fulfill in natural way but they should rule out their problem by getting married ASAP. In my opinion everything which goes against laws of nature have its side effects and masturbation is one of nature's law abiding things, its a genuine rule if your nails grows excessively cut them but with a cutter a tool, but if someone starts cutting it with teeth, why do we homeopaths need it as something in our case taking??? THOUGH these things can be used in necessity but this isn't be a proper way of life. So in short if you have thirst for sex i.e want to enjoy sex then do this in proper way i.e the vagina is made for this but don't avoid the laws of nature like if you lost in desert and you don't have a nail cutter then you can use your teeth to cut it but its has its side effects like you may pull the root from sides of nail which can cause an abscess etc etc.

Once i was reading a renowned homeopath book which opened new way for me in homeopathy, a new thinking in homeopathy, in which he stated and i amazed and agreed with him that man was not born ill. We cannot conceive that Allah the beneficent, could make man otherwise than good and great and obedient. The good, healthy man lived his life in sinless, purity and health. Allah gave man goodness, but he gave the man also the power to be otherwise and he led away by satin. Man was good, and Allah the Creator desired him to be good, but Allah gave him the power of free will and free choice in action. So long as man lived according to the law and order of his creator without exercising or rather abusing the power of free will, there was no trouble or disease. So long he was good and obedient to his law and order he was pure and free from disease. But as soon as he exercised the power of free will, with which he was endowed, and willed against the laws of his creator, all troubles started. Man began to think, feel and will against the laws of Allah-against the laws of nature, e.g. , Allah willed man to love his neighbour, but instead of loving his neighbour, the man began to hate his neighbour, misusing the virtue of freedom of will with which he was gifted by Allah.

Thus, man set himself against his creator. Evil thinking created a mutiny in his mind. Yet, it was evil thinking only, that is to say, this condition of the mind was yet a condition of the mind only, and was not yet expressed in an active desire. But any passive condition of the mind is bound to be followed soon by an active condition. The passive hatred gradually developed into actual hatred and then came the action. First comes an idea (passive thinking) about something, then comes thinking (active thinking, actual thinking) and last of all the action. Now, passive thinking is harmless because in it, the element of endeavour to do is wanting, but active thinking, in which there is that element of “doing” according to “thinking”, is the beginning of harm and trouble. This active thinking, this mental endeavour of doing, is a kind of mental irritability and this is really the 'Psora'. Psora was yet in the mind, i.e. , it was yet a condition of the mind not expressed in the body. In the mind, instead of the smoothness which exhausted before, there was now a turmoil, as it is opposed to the laws of nature or the laws of mind. But this condition of the mind will not be long confined to the mind alone, because the mind will gradually shape the body. The will will be soon expressed in the physical body. What we homeopaths treat when a man become ill we treat him whole but our main intention is his mental state, DISEASE NAME ISN'T NECESSARY though.
People who don't agree that it isn't a bad thing or it doesn't have side effects and doesn't need to be treated don't seems to face reality of our philosophy, bad habits like these have treatment in homeopathy but like whole patient, his mental state most probably needed to be treated. What he/who do masturbation do by fantasizing the other women/girl. Is this normal for a human to fantasize about other people's sisters/wife/mothers/daughters etc?? This is a bad thing i.e according to 'this active thinking, in which there is that element of 'doing' according to 'thinking', is the beginning of harm and trouble. This active thinking, this mental endeavour of doing, is a kind of mental irritability and this is really the 'Psora'.' So shouldn't we treat this psora ?

Again i will post the references of several MD's. If it doesn't have side effects then why CTS (carpel tunnel syndrome) come from usually, why some memory disturbance occurred, why backache, why CPS (Chronic pelvis syndrome) comes from. It has been medically proven that Carpel tunnel syndrome is caused by masturbation and also CPS. Its natural that men has penis and women have vagina what you think these are made for?
What i understand about homeopathy is 'a person is normal(not dis-eased) when he is living a life according to nature's nature, a gentle, a loving, an organized life, that's what make man different than animals'

I don't know i can really expressed myself or not (due to lack of English knowledge i can express it better in my own language) but i tried to express what i believe. If it hurt someone by going against his ideas then accept then i am sorry i don't and won't agree with him on that issue. I saw most homeopath's saying that it don't have side effects and not just that but they encourage to do so, if a homeopath don't think it is as bad thing may be disease then shouldn't we encourage them to do it in natural way i.e by getting married instead he encourage them to do it, every word we spoke have an effect if not on someone told may be on someone other who is reading so we shouldn't encourage rather we should encourage him for natural way and tell him if he cannot resist then he can. We are homeopaths we have a duty to make people aware not just to encourage them to excessively involved in their habits.


HINTS. ALLAH means the CREATOR, THE ONLY GOD.
 
  Paki1 on 2011-08-20
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Dear Paki,
Since you insisted on a reply I am writing this. Normally I do not like to interfere in what one thinks.
In my opinion almost all religions & their preachers have exploited human race on two basic characteristics .
GREED & FEAR.
1.Greed ,by a promised painless life & land of heaven beyond ,if you behave in a certain “specified” way that we preach & dictate.
2. Fear of punishment , if you commit “SIN” (!), and the most easily exploitable sin would be sex.B’cos. they knew that, it is one instinct that human being will not be able to live without. Therefore, it can be a very easy source of exploitation & create fear and guilt.
Right from time immemorial these conditioning is happening from the very childhood (when the child is fully dependent on parent figures) & every child is made to feel that experiencing sexual feelings & enjoying it is an unpardonable sin.
Simplest example is, when a little kid is in its exploratory stage we teach them “beta, where is nose & he will touch it & show, where is ears he will touch & show but when he attempts to explore his genital, we say no don’t be naughty. The message is, it is wrong & sinful to have sexual feelings.
Then the child grows up with a feeling of guilt, whenever it feels sexy.
On growing up or even in a later married life (due to certain unforeseen circumstances) if one is releasing his or her mental tension through masturbation, I, for one, DO NOT think that he or she is committing a sin or a crime.
The Psychic reason to be cured, is a point that paki has made is very very true & a proper AWARENESS that NOT FEELING GUILTY & LIVE LIFE WITHOUT HARMING SELF OR OTHERS, & indulging in all pleasures of life in moderation ( without any guilty feelings) should be our honest message to our dear young ones. Then I am sure that nobody will be having all those symptoms that they write to us.
I am happy on one count, that these days some of my young patients, when asked about the frequency of masturbation. They reply to me frankly & without any shyness (even the girls). It only shows that awareness is coming up & that is very important,
Awareness can come only by updating our values.
Last but not the least, let us not forget that this body & its needs are all superficial compared to our spiritual advancement.God is our very dear friend & not a headmaster to punish us.
Thanks for reading thro.
daktersaab
 
daktersaab last decade
Excessive anything is bad for you. All things are meant to be enjoyed in moderation. Excessive eating is bad for you, but eating itself is not. Masturbation is a natural behaviour, developing in innocent children as they explore their bodies and their sexuality. As long as it is replaced with a healthy sexual relationship with another person eventually, it is of no harm.

Repressing sexual desire on the other hand, we know to cause many complaints - just look at remedies like Conium for instance. Sex in any form is not inherently wrong, it is only situationally wrong. What I feel is wrong is imposing guilt and shame on to people for doing something that spontaneously and naturally appears in our development.

I think it is important as Homoeopaths to remain completely unbiased and non-judgmental about our patients, especially where it comes to religious beliefs. Whatever your personal beliefs, they should in no way affect your ability to hear the patient without prejudice.

I have sat and listened to patients tell me about things they have done which I might normally find very uncomfortable to hear. But as their homoeopath, their healer, I listen only for their suffering. I do not try to impose my will or beliefs on them. I have listened to men talk of beating their wives, people engaging in affairs, once even listened to a man discuss his sexual attraction to children. I become a pure listener, hearing only the pain. The pain cries out to be cured - how they choose to live their lives after that is up to them.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Thanks David and datktersaab for replying. Agreed with both of you.
 
Paki1 last decade
I believe as homoeopaths, we don't need to decide the right and wrong of any behaviour. We just need to hear the voice of the remedy they need - when healthy, people will make good decisions about their life. I see them do this all the time once the Simillimum has done its work. There is no struggle, no obsession, no attachment to anything in particular. The vital force itself is naturally good and moral - all we need to do is help it back to a healthy state and the patient themselves will decide to live a good life. It will not even be a decision, but inevitable.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Very well said David.
 
sameervermani last decade
I strongly believe that this is unnatural act that leads to serious health problems. Excessive, may ruin one's life. The anxiety, pains, stomach issues, week eyesight, feeling of guilt and weak nervous system are some of the common symptoms of patients doing this forbidden act. Our young people must get married asap to avoid this serious disease.
This bad habit will lead to poor marital and family relationship impacting the children.
 
nawazkhan last decade
Our beliefs do not matter. Only the truth for each patient matters. Enforcing your beliefs on patients should never be a part of a healing process.

Masturbation is not a disease. It is exactly comments like this that create such guilt and shame in people, where there should be none.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:27:33 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
If I could not masturbate i would probably have committed many rapes by now, or maybe not since woman would want me and not consider it a rape.

So thank god for masturbation.
 
Silicea last decade
Hmmm, I am not sure that associating rape and masturbation together is necessarily championing its role as a healthy activity.

There are many healthy activities that can become unhealthy. But they are not unhealthy inherently.

For instance, we have ailments from Lifting - lots of diseases can start from that. Is lifting a disease?

Or we have ailments from the Sun. Is the sun a disease?

We have ailments from Joy. Is joy a disease?

The fact that some people can be sensitive to a particular normal activity does not make that activity unhealthy. It just makes the person unhealthy. As soon as you cure them they can engage in it again, or come in contact with it, and get no symptoms.

The susceptibility is what needs to be cured, as Hahnemann was always clear about.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:58:57 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Someone's belief is what it matters that leads to smooth, peaceful, balanced, healthy or horrible life. Someone's lack of comprehension sometimes amazes me as no one is forcing the beliefs on patients during any healing process. It is again, a disease and a sin causing so many other diseases. Someone must remember that Sin is a disease and disease is a sin.
 
nawazkhan last decade
I dont really know what would happen if I could not masturbate to release my sexual energy. Ok I dont think I would rape but something bad would probably happen. So masturbation is good I say.

I find it pretty funny too calling masturbation a disease or a sin. Same thing with sex before marriage. Obviously a priest or someone once must have gotten angry by young women having lots of sex and he must have come to the idea that by calling it a sin + that something bad will happen to you when you die he will be able to stop this or control it.

So if there is a disease than its religion - not masturbation.
[message edited by Silicea on Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:43:16 BST]
 
Silicea last decade
Its not about what religion say or what, i just proposed an idea how a man becomes dis-eased, no one should take it to religion if he who see word Allah. Its about human nature, ones commonsense, if you are saying when a person become adult he becomes aware of his sexual desire and to fulfill his sexual desire he starts masturbating then its again human nature, BECOZ if a baby isn't aware of he has hands and feet and what usage of his hand and feet are and when he becomes aware of it and he instead of using it in common life he also used it for murdering or stealing what you say, is this the right direction? of using them? absolutely NO. But in certain circumstances like when he is strongly hungry then if he steals i.e food we mostly forgive him because by looking at his condition we know he is hungry and stealing may be allowed at that time e.g undeveloped countries not modern countries who has given benefits to citizens. Like wise if person becomes aware of sex he should do it in proper natural way not by his hands etc. Obviously his hands aren't made for masturbating ?? Does it ? One shouldn't masturbate ! why ? if you won't agree then let me know why we have noturnal emissions>? Why this natural process of orgasm is made up for? And what he fantasize who do masturbate, do we like our sister/mother/daughter to be his masturbate fantasy ? No cause this isn't human nature this is against human nature. If it is possible that someone do masturbate without fantasizing other people girls then may be human nature accept it. OR do masturbate and tell the girl whom you fantasize during masturbate, would she like it? One who masturbate ask him what he likes most the porn or live fantasy of girl of his dream(from his college,neighbour etc) during masturbate. May be the answer is 80% about girl of his dream. Anyway one can or may masturbate until become married
How does masturbation would be normal, normal thing would be nocturnal emission.

LASTLY AGAIN THIS ISN'T ABOUT RELIGION OR BELIEFS THIS IS ABOUT COMMONSENSE AND HUMAN NATURE.
[message edited by Paki1 on Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:27:15 BST]
 
Paki1 last decade
Sin is not a word that should ever be used in homoeopathy. Sin is a religious word - not everyone shares your religious beliefs. What might be sin to you will not be sin to someone who is Buddhist, or Hindu, or Catholic for that matter. And there are many more religions in the world - Taosim, Wicca, Myriads of Christian faiths that can be quite different in their specific beliefs. Agnostics, Aetheists, Spiritualists.

Belief can be as easily affected by your disease as any other part of you. Belief is not immune to being part of an unhealthy state. Your beliefs should not be forced on other people. This is in direct opposition to the idea of the unprejudiced observer which is so vital to being a good homoeopath.

In aphorism 83 Hahnemann says that proper case-taking 'demands of the physician nothing but freedom from prejudice and sound senses'.

Ardavan Shahrdrar wrote something several years ago that always stuck with me.

'To be a good observer in homeopathic casetaking, the first step is our personal development. We should gradually become aware of our addicted perception. This awareness gradually cures all the pollutions of perception and makes us free of our prejudice. It is a long way. It is the path toward individuation. Hard, but there is no other way to be an unprejudiced observer the first step to be a homeopath!'

Although I would add to that that only through good classical homoeopathic treatment can you, as the practitioner, be truly free of those faulty perceptions.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Every person would clearly chose sex over masturbation. Some people cannot get sex because of shyness, anxiety or whatever, so masturbation is used. (Not talking about the teen years when its used as self exploration)

A healthy person would rather chose sex over masturbation any day. So masturbation is still not a disease to me. Rather there is something else that is the disease which makes you want to rather masturbate instead of have sex.

Masturabtion surely isnt the core of the problem. But something else is so it cannot be called disease. If you know what I mean.

If something makes you want to masturbate all days than there is a disease somewhere else, Masturbation is just the end result, a symptom

I heard somewhere that the reason why Platina masturbates so often is because when they have an orgasm it isnt strong at all. So they can never get satisfied. It would seem that this would need to be cured not the masturbation in itself. Curing masturbation in this case would seem like orthodox medicine.

Curing the problem of not feeling strong orgasm would make this type of person stop masturbating and be satisfied when having sex.
[message edited by Silicea on Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:43:17 BST]
 
Silicea last decade
Dear All,
It so happened that today a young pt about 19 yrs old came to me for some problem.
Since this stream was in my mind.
I casually asked him ,'Do you masturbate?'
His reply was ,'Dr. Who does not, everybody including girls do.'
My next question was,' How do you feel dong it?'
Reply:'very good & fresh, it relieves me.'
My Q :' My some pt say they never do it.'
His reply; 'sir, either they are bluffing you or are impotent. At least in my whole group of friends none wud say so.'
His Q:'why are you asking me this?'
My reply( honestly): just to know about the mind-set about this generation.'

His reply,'UNCLEJI,AAP Ke ZAMANE MAY TO LADKI SE HAATH MILANA BHI PAAP THA, AB YEH SAB DADAGIRI NAHI CHALTI.BHUT ULLU MANA LIYA'
(Let me translate in English)
He said 'In your times even shaking hand with a girl was also considered as a sin,now all that is over & not acceptable.They made you all fools, now enough is enough.'

My spontaneous reply was, 'TUM THEEK KAHE RAHE HO BETA'.(Son , you are right.)
 
daktersaab last decade
Haha that is a wonderful story :) And very apt.

This is my experience too - sexual attitudes change with time, and they change with cultures. We have to understand even the context of a symptom or behaviour within the life the patient lives, the society in which they exist.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
I highly doubt the patient giving those statements was genuine. I believe half of it was made up, either because of insecurities or he (the patient) and his friends are rebeling against the old generation with their views.

I would have not taken those statements made by the patient to seriously or at face value rather probe deeper to find out what is driving them.


George Vithoulukas Junior
Classical Homeopath
 
Silicea last decade
What is with that signature?
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Umm I just put it there for fun. Since I act like a knowledgeable homeopath in this thread, but it felt good in a way putting it there. Like made me feel like someone great.

Ever since I have eaten pizza at 3 pm I feel sort of light, as if I am high or drunk. A bit sleepy too.

Edit: it got nothing to do with you or your signature
[message edited by Silicea on Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:36:48 BST]
 
Silicea last decade
They say 'Discussions is exchanges of Intelligence and arguments are exchanges of ignorance.'
Gautam Budha has rightly prayed:

'tamaso ma jyotir gamaya' (Lead me to light from darkness.)
Hope that happens.
 
daktersaab last decade
Daktersaab, what did Gautam Budha say about Proudness, making Personal Attacks, insulting others and thinking others are inferior? This is only for the enhancement of my knowledge.
 
nawazkhan last decade
The complete prayer is:

ASATO MA SAD GAMAYA
(Lead me to truth from untruth)
MRUTYO MA AMRUTAM GAMAYA
(Lead me to immortality from mortality)
TAMASO MA JYOTIR GAMAYA
(Lead me to light from darkness)

May God bless all of us (including me) in accordance to the above prayer!!Amen!
 
daktersaab last decade
Shukkria DoctorSahib!
 
nawazkhan last decade
Whatever follower
 
Silicea last decade
I see a lot of patients here are the victims of excessive masterbation. They are going thru a lot of pain, anxiety and suffering. They are scared, unable to marry and deliver. They are begging over and over for help for their anxiety, stomach and ED issues. Respectable consultants are treating them, but, I am wondering that these consultants are kind of encouraging this serious disease and a sin. Double Standards??
 
nawazkhan last decade

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