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I posted a while ago and was recommended to take one dose of thuja 200c. I took a single pill on wednesday but nothing happened, so i took one more dose of thuja 200c on thursday. Again nothing happened. However, today, Saturday, i feel awful.

What I would like to know is...could this be the thuja i took a few days ago kicking in (I have no idea how long these remedies take to have any affect - is it immediate, or over a few days?) Or, could it be that I am just experiencing a coincidental return of my depression, which I actually felt I was getting over, but previously, I suffered with it for over 18 months?

My symptoms today are unwanted suicidal thoughts, prolonged crying, unwanted thoughts of knifes and stabbing, lower back ache, self hate, feeling cold, dispondent, no hope, not wanting tackle anything, etc.

Thanks for any replies, Roses.
 
  redgirl on 2005-06-04
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Hi, I am very new to this and know very very little, so I hope someone who knows more writes soon! In the meantime, please hang tight and don't give in to suicidal thoughts okay! You CAN get all well.

Generally when advised to take one dose it means take only one dose no more. And yes, you could be having symptoms because you took too much too soon even if it is the right remedy, (or if it is not the right remedy plus too much taken). Also Passkey wrote that 200c has caused some problems with patients getting "aggravations". I personally like to start at lower dose of a remedy in case it is wrong one.

There are various ways to antidote a remedy if you are getting a bad reaction from it. Do a search for the term "antidote" on this site. One of the threads will talk about doing it by dropping a pellet in water in a glass, dumping out the water, refilling the glass, dumping again, until a sip of the water solves the problem.

I haven't needed to do this with homeopathics, but a similar thing was done once on me with skin allergy testing so I know that it does work for whatever reason.

Best, keep posted, and again, home someone who is not an amateur will write soon with lots more good suggestions!
 
Bodhitshe last decade
Dear Roses, as a clinical social worker, I feel inclined to give you some non-homeopathic information and let the homeopathic practitioners tell you your next steps. But when I see that you are having suicidal thoughts, I just want to remind you to get immediate help from someone, a hotline, hospital emergency room, a friend or family member if you begin to be serious about your suicidal thoughts.

I'm also wondering, were you on antidepressant medication? If you were and went off suddenly, you will have withdrawal symptoms.

I don't know very much about the use of homeopathy with depression, but from the results of my own use of it with myself and family on other issues, I highly recommend trying homeopathy. However, because of the withdrawal effects of an antidepressant (if you were/are on one) you need to taper off of the antidepressants.

I wish you peace and healing.
 
lmhoopes last decade
I guess I should add that "being serious" means you have a plan of how and when and a way or means to harm yourself.

Sometimes the thoughts and feelings are scary and cause anxiety. But they are just that--thoughts and feelings. It can be helpful to separate the thought from the action.
 
lmhoopes last decade
Maybe you should find the thread where you got recommended to take thuja and seek the person who gave you that info, might be a better idea.
salty
 
saltOftheEarth last decade
Hi Thanks for your replies.

The thoughts I was having yesterday are just thoughts. They are not pleasant but I have no serious intention to carry out suicide at all...they are just unwanted thoughts that I get which disturb me. The knifes thing is a bit more serious as I sometimes feel inclined to act upon that when my mood is as so very low as it was yesterday. Today however, I woke up and I feel fine - completely different to yesterday. A bit groggy maybe, but ok. This is after crying myself to sleep and feeling so low I was fantasising about a way out of it...but again, I must empasise, that I am not serious, they are just bad thoughts that I wish would leave me.

I am still confused as to whether it was the thuja or not...I haven't as unexplainably low as that for a while. Could it be a coincidence or is this a normal thuja type response?

I will find te other thread and post the first post I made to see if I get any response.

Thanks again.
Roses
 
redgirl last decade
Another possibility is that it was the right remedy and not too much. Common to remedies in general not just Thuja would be that there can be a "healing crisis" where things seem worse before getting better. To my novice mind that you had apparently unexplained otherwise back pain suggests it might well have been the remedy.

Another typical thing to happen after a remedy if it is working iis that symptoms may move outward and downward. For example, if I get homeopathic relief from headaches I get, first it will feel like a killer headache, then as resolution begins I may get skin itching, hives, or pain in my leg area. That is considered good, the body working the problem out(ward).

Glad they were only thoughts!
 
Bodhitshe last decade
Good to hear that you are feeling better today.

I hope you get answers on your remedy. Take care.
 
lmhoopes last decade
Dear redgirl,

You should not worry. Rather be happy as what you have mentioned in your last few posts indicates you had a healing crisis which came a bit rapidly and heavily as you overdosed yourself. You should have taken one dose and waited for the medicine to act. An initial aggravation followed by a quick amelioration indicates the choice of remedy was right. The low mood would soon pass and you would start to feel better.

However i have no idea why Thuja was recommended to you. Can you share your original symptoms for which you were advised Thuja.

I hope it helps.

With regards.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Hi Rajiv,

Thanks for your reassurance. Is it usual then, for a remedy to take a few days before you notice any affects? I think I am just a bit shocked as I thought any effects or signs of a healing crisis would happen immediately or at least on the same day I took the initial remedy? I think thats why I took a second dose, because initially, there were no signs it had had any affect.
 
redgirl last decade
Rajiv,

Also, for your interest...this is the original post I made which details all the symptoms I originally presented.

Do you have any opinion on it as to whether thuja 200c was the right dose/remedy for me?...


I think I'm a bit of a complicated case! From roses on 2005-05-19
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Could anyone please be so kind as to help me with my symptoms? I know a bit about homeopathy just from what I have read out of my own interest, though I am not able to diagnose myself, I wondered if any of you could help me? I will desribe what I can to you, as much as possible and maybe you can ask me for any further information I may have missed. I have gone a lot into my emotional state and inner feelings - I don't know if this is the right approach, but I have been as open and honest as I can as I heard homeopaths take all aspects into consdieration when diagnosing a case, so here goes...
My main problems are emotional rather than physical...I just cannot seem to get myself out of the rut I am stuck in. I procrastinate a lot - but even when I work hard I seem unable to progress very far or very quickly.
Also, for example...I know how to sensibly loose weight, but whenever I get to a certain weight, I seem to make a purposefull effort to put it back on...it's like I am unable to move beyond a certain goal or point...like i am holding myself back for some reason and unable to move forward (this applies not not just with the weight - but to all areas of my life I feel unable to move on and
I feel quite stuck.)
I also have feelings of regret. Regret at the choices I have made in the past. I feel I got it all wrong - but am unable to forgive myself or move on from this.
Another big thing, is, I cannot seem to settle on one career path...I know what I am good at and what I should do, but I feel like I keep avoiding this by dabbling in other areas, which I must even admit, are probably not right for me. You could say i have flights of idle fancies an issue with avoidance.
I have a lot of ideas - anyone which would be good if I could commit to it, but I seem unwilling to bring them to fruitation and i almost feel like I have this 'mental block' - even though i know i am capable of going far if i could just overcome it.
I would say i am probably an 'all or nothing' person and when i am in the 'all' mode - i can be a real perfectionist. I am quite strict with myself and hold myself back from enjoyment unless I can complete my work (which of course is never done).
I get frustrated with the fact that other people do not see the world from my point of view - i.e do not care about what I care for...but i equally get frustrated with myself for not feeling able to do something about it. I see what is wrong in the world, and it frustrates/upsets me, as I am an idealist at heart...but feel I am unable to make it better or make other people better and even though i realise I am FAR from a perfect person myself...i am disappointed that other people do not have the same idealistic standards. So I guess you could say I also have feelings of being let down by the world and other people and myself. But no one can reach my own standards - I can't meet them even!
I prefer my own company and hate to be the centre of attention, yet at the same time i want to have attention and am a bit demanding/needy. I am creative, imaginative, a dreamy type - probably a bit immature....but i am intelligent and my mind is very active. Possibly i think too much. I lack confidence in my own ability - though i know i am capable if i give myself the chance so i guess i am a bit of a contradiction too.
I have a constant feeling of doubt/ uncomfortable feeling of something looming, or of just something not quite right - it's hard to explain but i feel - its a sort of bad feeling always there - a bit like a sublte kind of feeling of dread of some kind at the back of my mind - something waiting to happen. I seem to talk about death quite a lot (though ofcourse, i do not want to die! ) it just fascinates me that there maybe something other than this existence.
i know i sometimes trail off my sentences when i speak...occasionally, i might stutter, but its probably just a lack of confidence.
Anxiety and fear of people and of letting them down, is a bigger problem. I am a bit of a people pleaser...though i try not to care what others think of me, i still do. Though, sometimes i revel in being different - again, a contradiction within myself?
I find it hard to accept love - I long for love, but at the same time I am a bit closed to it - I want to be touched, but I don't like to be touched!
As for physical symptoms...I get lower back ache occassionally, i think i mentioned blushing (anxiety related)...and i also sometimes experience skipped heart beats...which i feel on my left side, usually in the evening when i am sat down, or when i lie down on my left side. I also have irregular periods.
Also, I crave sweet food over savoury!
Mmm..hehe - well, I think I have given you a lot to go on there! Not sure what else I can add, but please, if anyone could help to give me some direction...I would most appreciate your time and trouble. If you have any further questions, I am very happy to answer them. Thank you so much for your interest!
 
redgirl last decade
Dear Redgirl,

It is normal for a remedy to take a few days to start showing its impact at the symptomatic level even though it starts working at the vital force immediately at the time of taking the medicine. Sometimes the results can be seen immediately too. There are no hard and fast rules as such. This is because every human being's constitution is different and peculiar to itself. That is what makes homeopathy so fascinating and unique because it tries to individualize for everyone.There are no universal remedies for universal diseases.

To my mind your symptoms also indicate the possibility of you being a Causticum patient. Read up about Causticum and decide whether i am right.

A Causticum constitutional type is very much concerned about the issues of 'right' and 'wrong'. Anyone doing anything wrong receives a very strong negative evaluation. This may be expressed initially but with a number of negative experiences due to this kind of behavior, they start to absorb these emotions within themselves and then they start to get frustrated. Most of the people accept the world as it is and adapt to it. But Causticums keep fuming at the world as to why it doesn't change according to their sense of 'right' and 'wrong.' As the pathology develops they become gloomy, depressed, shun social gatherings, lose self cofidence etc. At the physical level, they normally develop bladder related problems, hands and legs might shake as a paralysis tends to develop very slowly but insidiously. The powerlessness to change the world gets converted to a physical powerlessness.

I am sorry for oversimplifying to the more senior members on the site. But i think homeopathy should be made more interesting so that everyone can connect with it. That is the only way this great therapy can become as popular as the dominant school.

With best regards.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Hi Roses,
Even if you decide that causticum could be the next remedy for you it would be better to wait a couple of weeks. You obviously reacted with the thuja and it would be best to see what good it does you before muddling it with something else.
Suzanne
 
SFBurgundy last decade
I completely agree with Suzanne.When i suggested Causticum it was only as the next possible remedy if and when Thuja has done its job.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Hi there,

Thanks for your advice Rahiv and Suzanne...I am definitely planning to wait a while now before I try something else(!) - but I feel even better in myself today which is good.

Also, I have one more question, if any one can answer, it would be great to hear what you have to say...

...I have been taking a combination of Bach flower remedies on and off, but is it ok to take flower remedies so close to taking a homeopathic remedy or say, for example, even during a course of homeopathic treatment? Do they compliment one another or conflict with each other? Thanks for your help again... I'm learning so much from you guys!

Roses x
 
redgirl last decade
They are ok together.
 
Bodhitshe last decade
(not nec. either complement or conflict) both at energy levels not gross material levels, but not the same energy levels, similar is true for acupuncture, aikido or xi gung... OTOH you will have a harder time knowing what is helping if you do multiple things near same time.

I know this answer from personal knowledge and experience btw. I prepare my own flower remedies, so less an amateur there than for homeopathy.
 
Bodhitshe last decade
OOPS error. cancel acupuncture from the group above as it can conflict.
 
Bodhitshe last decade

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