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Homeopathy - Effective but lagged in avchieving objective?
i am of the opinion is homeopathy is the very effective , scientic but has not able to made the impact it should have.i am not a homeopath and my experience as a homeopathic medicine consumer is also limited.
but here are some of my views based in my own experience
1.homeopathy is scientific and very rational way of handling the disease rather than suppressing it
2. homeopathy is not placebo
3. selection of right remedy is very important as each remedy has impact on almost every part of body
4. homeopathy cases seems to be not shared effectively and research is also not in depth
5. lack of transparency is also a restrain in wider acceptance. i had seen homeopaths dont disclose the name of the remedy to the patient (i feel its one of the biggest negetive , the way homeopathy is practiced . at least in india)
hporwal on 2012-03-23
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ur point no 3 is the answer of ur point no 5 bcs it is not an easy task to find a perfect medicine for a patient. So if medicine name is disclosed to a patient and he uses the medicine to others than it may harm that patient. We have different medicines for different patients according to their symptoms but not their pathological names.
As if pox is a name of disease but we have several medicines for that one of tham clears germ of it, some clears the spots, some stops itching, some are as preventive medicine but all are used based of their symptoms. So if someone inexperienced uses those medicines to others than anything bad can happen for that Doctor will not be responsible any way. That is y we do not disclose the names any way all over the world by law of homeopathy practicing.
Dr. Showrav
Bangladesh
As if pox is a name of disease but we have several medicines for that one of tham clears germ of it, some clears the spots, some stops itching, some are as preventive medicine but all are used based of their symptoms. So if someone inexperienced uses those medicines to others than anything bad can happen for that Doctor will not be responsible any way. That is y we do not disclose the names any way all over the world by law of homeopathy practicing.
Dr. Showrav
Bangladesh
♡ Dr. Showrav last decade
i also thought that might be the reason as the same remedy can be used for multiple disease and for same disease different remedies can be prescribed based on the various condition.
but what i was trying to convey was this has some detrimental affect on the reach to the end users.
1. Research is lagging
remedies and thier success/failure is not as comprehensively or widely discussed . entire case with te remedy and the results seen.
i had discussed with few homeopaths and many of them are still referring to the lets say frequently used 20-30 remedies.
i may be wrong , but this is what i had felt in my limited experience.
2. homeopathy is also loosing on the whole, as it creates the possibility of highly cost effective option of treatment for the people. but the practionners are now charging way to high un-necessarily
[message edited by hporwal on Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:20:47 GMT]
but what i was trying to convey was this has some detrimental affect on the reach to the end users.
1. Research is lagging
remedies and thier success/failure is not as comprehensively or widely discussed . entire case with te remedy and the results seen.
i had discussed with few homeopaths and many of them are still referring to the lets say frequently used 20-30 remedies.
i may be wrong , but this is what i had felt in my limited experience.
2. homeopathy is also loosing on the whole, as it creates the possibility of highly cost effective option of treatment for the people. but the practionners are now charging way to high un-necessarily
[message edited by hporwal on Fri, 23 Mar 2012 06:20:47 GMT]
hporwal last decade
I agree with everything you say except for the last point.
Something that patients often don't realise, or find hard to understand, is that when we tell them the name of the remedy it can cause huge problems for us.
Patients may refuse to take the remedy. This often happens when the substance itself bothers them ie. syphilis, aids, leech, feces, gonorrhea, tarentula etc. I have had several patients completely refuse to follow my instruction because they don't like the remedy, which is ridiculous.
Patients will sometimes argue with you, because they want to be a different remedy. Even though it is impossible for them to know what remedy they need, and even though they have employed the homoeopath to figure it out, still they want to argue.
And probably the worst of all, are the patients that run off to read up everything they can on a remedy. Then they start either imagining all sorts of things related to the remedy picture, or they decide that the homoeopath has prescribed for the wrong reasons and they either do not come back, or they begin obstructing the process of healing (by taking other things, refusing to do follow up, not giving information that is related to the remedy etc).
You want a patient who is completely free from any preconceptions about the remedy. That way, if they start giving you symptoms and feelings related to that remedy, or report the cure of them, then you can trust it. A patient who spends all his time reading up on remedies becomes a difficult patient, an untrustworthy one. They often start telling you how they relate to the remedy, or how they don't relate to it, and this is considered to be a corruption of the patient's natural expressions. It can be difficult to deal with.
Lastly, and just as important, is the use of placebo. Placebo is used a lot in homoeopathy, as many patients are impatient and used to the instant treatments of orthodox medicine or herbalism. Placebo is a traditional part of homoeopathic prescribing, and all the great masters did it. Telling the patient the name of the remedy each time, means you must lie to them when you use placebo.
If a patient can prove to me that none of these things will happen, I am happy to tell them the name of the remedy when I prescribe it. I will tell them the name once it is clear it has worked or not worked anyway, so that they can report this to another homoeopath if they move on.
Something that patients often don't realise, or find hard to understand, is that when we tell them the name of the remedy it can cause huge problems for us.
Patients may refuse to take the remedy. This often happens when the substance itself bothers them ie. syphilis, aids, leech, feces, gonorrhea, tarentula etc. I have had several patients completely refuse to follow my instruction because they don't like the remedy, which is ridiculous.
Patients will sometimes argue with you, because they want to be a different remedy. Even though it is impossible for them to know what remedy they need, and even though they have employed the homoeopath to figure it out, still they want to argue.
And probably the worst of all, are the patients that run off to read up everything they can on a remedy. Then they start either imagining all sorts of things related to the remedy picture, or they decide that the homoeopath has prescribed for the wrong reasons and they either do not come back, or they begin obstructing the process of healing (by taking other things, refusing to do follow up, not giving information that is related to the remedy etc).
You want a patient who is completely free from any preconceptions about the remedy. That way, if they start giving you symptoms and feelings related to that remedy, or report the cure of them, then you can trust it. A patient who spends all his time reading up on remedies becomes a difficult patient, an untrustworthy one. They often start telling you how they relate to the remedy, or how they don't relate to it, and this is considered to be a corruption of the patient's natural expressions. It can be difficult to deal with.
Lastly, and just as important, is the use of placebo. Placebo is used a lot in homoeopathy, as many patients are impatient and used to the instant treatments of orthodox medicine or herbalism. Placebo is a traditional part of homoeopathic prescribing, and all the great masters did it. Telling the patient the name of the remedy each time, means you must lie to them when you use placebo.
If a patient can prove to me that none of these things will happen, I am happy to tell them the name of the remedy when I prescribe it. I will tell them the name once it is clear it has worked or not worked anyway, so that they can report this to another homoeopath if they move on.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
i agree with you that trust on the doctor is very critical.
buts isnt this ironical that the same patient doesnt argue with the allopathic practionor and not tend to demand for medicine.
what could be the possible reason for that.
buts isnt this ironical that the same patient doesnt argue with the allopathic practionor and not tend to demand for medicine.
what could be the possible reason for that.
hporwal last decade
simple
because homeopathy isnt exact science (if that is the right way to say it). It is about FINDING the correct 'medicine'. An allopathic doctor knows most often exactly what to give you for the problem you give to him and the medicine will have an effect most often. mechanical prescribing giving out medicine?
homeopathy is such, where it is expected to have different views, opinions of what someone needs because noone knows for sure whether the remedy is correct or not until it is tried out. So arguing is inivetible
am I right?
because homeopathy isnt exact science (if that is the right way to say it). It is about FINDING the correct 'medicine'. An allopathic doctor knows most often exactly what to give you for the problem you give to him and the medicine will have an effect most often. mechanical prescribing giving out medicine?
homeopathy is such, where it is expected to have different views, opinions of what someone needs because noone knows for sure whether the remedy is correct or not until it is tried out. So arguing is inivetible
am I right?
starface last decade
Saying to most modern people who
have been taught to start taking charge
of their health - to go backward and
just be dumb as a post when you go
to the homeopath is just not realistic.
And rather insulting to those who
have a working brain. There has to
be a level of educating the patient on
the prescription according to his interest
and his education level.
You are not going to get an entire
generation of people to go back to-
'whatever you say doctor' you know
best. Thank God that era is over.
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:08:40 GMT]
have been taught to start taking charge
of their health - to go backward and
just be dumb as a post when you go
to the homeopath is just not realistic.
And rather insulting to those who
have a working brain. There has to
be a level of educating the patient on
the prescription according to his interest
and his education level.
You are not going to get an entire
generation of people to go back to-
'whatever you say doctor' you know
best. Thank God that era is over.
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:08:40 GMT]
♡ simone717 last decade
starface last decade
To, Starface,
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I m a BSC & MSC on Chemistry and I know the pharmacy and medicinal chemistry of alopathic medicine so well. After learning that I came to learn homeopathy and took it as my main profession as I know properly Homeopathy is fully scientific and I m well awarded by my practice so far that I came to know that only Homeopathy can change the worlds medical science and it works in perfect way when it is handled by a perfect wise man who is experienced in it. While a alopath target some point of nerve by a complex chemical so solve a problem or just make over on it, we can reach and target specifically the dream of that patient with a simple alcohol dilution before the problem even starts by showing painful symptoms. So Homeopathy is the best remedy for mankind can ever get till now.
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Dr. Showrav
Bangladesh
[message edited by Dr. Showrav on Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:20:35 GMT]
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I m a BSC & MSC on Chemistry and I know the pharmacy and medicinal chemistry of alopathic medicine so well. After learning that I came to learn homeopathy and took it as my main profession as I know properly Homeopathy is fully scientific and I m well awarded by my practice so far that I came to know that only Homeopathy can change the worlds medical science and it works in perfect way when it is handled by a perfect wise man who is experienced in it. While a alopath target some point of nerve by a complex chemical so solve a problem or just make over on it, we can reach and target specifically the dream of that patient with a simple alcohol dilution before the problem even starts by showing painful symptoms. So Homeopathy is the best remedy for mankind can ever get till now.
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Dr. Showrav
Bangladesh
[message edited by Dr. Showrav on Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:20:35 GMT]
♡ Dr. Showrav last decade
I dont know what you people find offending in my post. No idea. Obviously a misunderstanding. I had not intention to insult anyone and dont see what is offending?
I am for homeopathy obviously. Never been to a doctor for my problems and dont like traditional medicine. I am confused by your replies
[message edited by starface on Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:44:19 GMT]
I am for homeopathy obviously. Never been to a doctor for my problems and dont like traditional medicine. I am confused by your replies
[message edited by starface on Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:44:19 GMT]
starface last decade
Ok I think I know where the misunderstanding lies... That you think how I described how traditional medicine does mechanical prescribing is the correct or better way.
I did not mean that at all. And dont know how you would think that from my post. I just objectively said irrespective of results, or which is better or worse.. about the difference in those 2 medical systems. That allopathy has more mechanical prescribing so there is less difference in opinion compared to homeopathy.
Now relax please. And dont take offence where no offence was meant
[message edited by starface on Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:50:56 GMT]
I did not mean that at all. And dont know how you would think that from my post. I just objectively said irrespective of results, or which is better or worse.. about the difference in those 2 medical systems. That allopathy has more mechanical prescribing so there is less difference in opinion compared to homeopathy.
Now relax please. And dont take offence where no offence was meant
[message edited by starface on Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:50:56 GMT]
starface last decade
starface may be u were mis-interpretted by few.
however i had my own observation that many of the homeopaths are still using only limited set of remedies or rather most common one.
also it depends very much on patient that he share the information correctly i.e. answers what doctor is questioning . many times i noted there is gap between the expectations.
however i had my own observation that many of the homeopaths are still using only limited set of remedies or rather most common one.
also it depends very much on patient that he share the information correctly i.e. answers what doctor is questioning . many times i noted there is gap between the expectations.
hporwal last decade
Dr. Showrav, please keep in mind the forum rules when writing your posts. In particular, please be respectful to other members. You don't have to agree with them, but there are gentlemanly ways of voicing disagreement.
I have done you the favour of moderating your posts so that people don't form the opinion that you are overly aggressive.
Thanks for your cooperation,
Simon
I have done you the favour of moderating your posts so that people don't form the opinion that you are overly aggressive.
Thanks for your cooperation,
Simon
♡ moderator last decade
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