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different types of Lachesis
I whas wondering if someone knows the reason of the two diffenrent types of Lachesis personality?What i Im intrested in to know about is the extroverted type and the introverted type. These two seem to be total opposite personalities?
Now, cuestion nr one:
Is the introverted type a result of a more serious case of Lachesis? (he is so frustrated he lost hes loquacity?)
Cuestion nr two:
ore could the introverted type perhaps be a mix of Lachesis and a nother remedie?
What is your experiencies?
/Best regards: Paul Angeredare
angeredare on 2012-04-12
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Dr. David Kempson may have answers of ur questions. He describes this kind of things better I think!
Dr. Showrav
Bangladesh
Dr. Showrav
Bangladesh
♡ Dr. Showrav last decade
Thank you Dr. Showrav that is very decent of you to suggest me.
Firstly, you do not see 'mixes' of remedies in people, there is only one state, which can be matched to a variety of remedies with varying degrees of precision. But there will only be one Simillimum. The characteristics and symptoms the person shows will not be 'mixed' because they are more than one remedy - if you see symptoms that appear to make the person need several remedies, the reasons for that most likely are:
1. There is a remedy you do not know that is more appropriate that includes all of those symptoms.
2. The symptoms you are considering for prescription are not the important ones and are irrelevent to the choice of remedy.
3. The patient knows too much about homoeopathy and is distorting their symptoms to match what they know (often out of a misguided desire to help the practitioner).
4. The observer is using faulty materia medica information. This happens more than you might think. This could mean the symptoms or expressions are indeed found in the remedy and you don't need to look elsewhere.
Now in regards to the first question, it is important to understand something about the states that appear in a patient when they are sick (which correspond to our remedy states).
Every state has an uncompensated form, and a compensated form. Compensation is what a patient does through an act of will to modify their disease state. The uncompensated state of Lachesis is loquacity and aggression. You will see this state in provings, in acutes, in children, and in those for whom the state is somehow not too much of a hinderance to their lives (eg. people in advertising can benefit somewhat from expressing uncompensated Lachesis behaviour, as could other professions like acting or music).
If this state comes on suddenly, or the patient does not have much willpower (as with children), then the state will be uncompensated. Either they cannot or they do not get the chance to repress it.
Now in chronic situations, something different can happen. It has been with them a much longer time, they have learned to live with it. Patients who are chronic Lachesis have a choice - express it or deny it. If they deny or repress it, they will create the opposite behaviour to what they feel the state is forcing them to do. Thus aggression becomes passiveness, loquacity becomes sulleness. Most often patients will do this because the behaviour is unacceptable or problematic in their lives.
However, the pressure to express the uncompensated behaviour is still there. It will come out in situtations where repression is ineffective, or where they feel the behaviour is acceptable or advantageous to them.
For example, an introverted (repressing) Lachesis may take up a hobby writing a blog on the internet where they are sarcastic and insulting to people they feel inferior to. Or they may put their child into a beauty pageant and live out their lachesis feelings through the child instead. Or they may only express such behaviour in their dreams or fantasies, often kept hidden out of shame or fear. Another way to see uncompensated behaviour in a chronically ill patient is to ask them what kind of child they were - often this is far enough in the past that they feel comfortable talking about it ('oh I was a nasty child, always backbiting and talking others down!'). As an adult they would say they never do such things, they 'grew up' (repressed).
Obviously here I am talking mental symptoms. When you are talking about physcial symptoms, for which you will often see these opposite presentations or polarities too, it isn't an act of will that causes those.
In a proving, you will see two initial phases of the remedy reaction. One is the immediate medicinal effect, producing the classic symptoms of the remedy. The second phase is the reaction of the vital force to this medicinal effect, which is to create an equal and opposite reaction. If it is not equal (greater than it needs to be) then you will see the polarity appear eg. icy coldness becomes a flush of heat.
David Kempson
Professional Classical Homoeopath
Firstly, you do not see 'mixes' of remedies in people, there is only one state, which can be matched to a variety of remedies with varying degrees of precision. But there will only be one Simillimum. The characteristics and symptoms the person shows will not be 'mixed' because they are more than one remedy - if you see symptoms that appear to make the person need several remedies, the reasons for that most likely are:
1. There is a remedy you do not know that is more appropriate that includes all of those symptoms.
2. The symptoms you are considering for prescription are not the important ones and are irrelevent to the choice of remedy.
3. The patient knows too much about homoeopathy and is distorting their symptoms to match what they know (often out of a misguided desire to help the practitioner).
4. The observer is using faulty materia medica information. This happens more than you might think. This could mean the symptoms or expressions are indeed found in the remedy and you don't need to look elsewhere.
Now in regards to the first question, it is important to understand something about the states that appear in a patient when they are sick (which correspond to our remedy states).
Every state has an uncompensated form, and a compensated form. Compensation is what a patient does through an act of will to modify their disease state. The uncompensated state of Lachesis is loquacity and aggression. You will see this state in provings, in acutes, in children, and in those for whom the state is somehow not too much of a hinderance to their lives (eg. people in advertising can benefit somewhat from expressing uncompensated Lachesis behaviour, as could other professions like acting or music).
If this state comes on suddenly, or the patient does not have much willpower (as with children), then the state will be uncompensated. Either they cannot or they do not get the chance to repress it.
Now in chronic situations, something different can happen. It has been with them a much longer time, they have learned to live with it. Patients who are chronic Lachesis have a choice - express it or deny it. If they deny or repress it, they will create the opposite behaviour to what they feel the state is forcing them to do. Thus aggression becomes passiveness, loquacity becomes sulleness. Most often patients will do this because the behaviour is unacceptable or problematic in their lives.
However, the pressure to express the uncompensated behaviour is still there. It will come out in situtations where repression is ineffective, or where they feel the behaviour is acceptable or advantageous to them.
For example, an introverted (repressing) Lachesis may take up a hobby writing a blog on the internet where they are sarcastic and insulting to people they feel inferior to. Or they may put their child into a beauty pageant and live out their lachesis feelings through the child instead. Or they may only express such behaviour in their dreams or fantasies, often kept hidden out of shame or fear. Another way to see uncompensated behaviour in a chronically ill patient is to ask them what kind of child they were - often this is far enough in the past that they feel comfortable talking about it ('oh I was a nasty child, always backbiting and talking others down!'). As an adult they would say they never do such things, they 'grew up' (repressed).
Obviously here I am talking mental symptoms. When you are talking about physcial symptoms, for which you will often see these opposite presentations or polarities too, it isn't an act of will that causes those.
In a proving, you will see two initial phases of the remedy reaction. One is the immediate medicinal effect, producing the classic symptoms of the remedy. The second phase is the reaction of the vital force to this medicinal effect, which is to create an equal and opposite reaction. If it is not equal (greater than it needs to be) then you will see the polarity appear eg. icy coldness becomes a flush of heat.
David Kempson
Professional Classical Homoeopath
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Ok. thanx dr. David! It sounds like my suggestion nr one whas the most closest. I understand it as it is a uncompensated form and a compensated form. The so called extroverted type and the introverted type.
Thanx dr David!
Thanx dr David!
angeredare last decade
All remedies will have a polarity like this. It is important to remember because the picture as it appears in the materia medica, might not be the one appearing in your patient ie. a calm Nux-vomica, a Sleepy Coffea, a polite Chamomilla etc.
Compensation is always opposite to the natural feeling, and it always something the person consciously does. Compensation can at times be so effective that you would never suspect they actually feel the opposite way. Compensation is one of the obstacles to good case-taking, and skills have to be developed to both detect it, and to get underneath it.
Compensation is always opposite to the natural feeling, and it always something the person consciously does. Compensation can at times be so effective that you would never suspect they actually feel the opposite way. Compensation is one of the obstacles to good case-taking, and skills have to be developed to both detect it, and to get underneath it.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Okey. but can it also be possible that the compensation can be unconscious?
It is itresting that the lachesis for example becomes so indifferent. 'aggression becomes passiveness, loquacity becomes sulleness' as you mention.
Some so called 'introvert' lachesis seem also very depressed, sulky and shy, so I have the feeling that the lachesis persona dont put them there to cover their loquacity, but more like as if the patient somehow have ben forsed to be more silent. (supresst from a domineering father for example).
What do you think David? Am I totally in the clouds now?
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It is itresting that the lachesis for example becomes so indifferent. 'aggression becomes passiveness, loquacity becomes sulleness' as you mention.
Some so called 'introvert' lachesis seem also very depressed, sulky and shy, so I have the feeling that the lachesis persona dont put them there to cover their loquacity, but more like as if the patient somehow have ben forsed to be more silent. (supresst from a domineering father for example).
What do you think David? Am I totally in the clouds now?
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[message edited by angeredare on Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:24:01 BST]
angeredare last decade
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