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so, one can not take to much of the similimum? You never prove it. Or you can prove?

How does that work
 
  Almost on 2012-06-14
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
I already wrote you about this-
with the case of the baby that had
nat mur as simillimum and was given
too high a dose. the baby proved it
for a week or so and then it wore off
and the baby was fine.

You know the rules by now-if you go
backwards you redose same potency-
until it no longer works, then you go
up a potency.

This has all been said to you many many
times.
 
simone717 last decade
ok, but no need to mention how many times it has been mentioned to me... I am not asking because I cant remember what was told to me but because there is conflicting info out there and was just wondering if someone else has an opinion on it, or a different view about provings with similimum
 
Almost last decade
I am pretty sure the case I told you
about was one of Kent's, a famous
homeopath from way back, and I
don't think too many people are going
to argue with a real case from an
old master.

Why don't you just direct your question
to who you want it to go- it is so
obvious.
 
simone717 last decade
Well thanks for your view but as always I like to hear from more then 1 person when its about something I have no clue of.

I just posted this. because often it is mentioned in cases or wherever... 'dont give her to much of the remedy or she might start proving the remedy'

This got me a bit confused and wonder whether one has to be careful on the similimum aswell to not 'overdose'.


So on the similimum, you cannot overdose and start proving? correct?

Only if the potency were to high then you could??

If you prove it on repeated doses it means it is not the similimum? On the similimum this does not happen?

Thats all I want to know clearly
 
Almost last decade
You can overdose on everything,
even the simillimum. But when the
simillimum wears off a bit then you will
feel better. but not if you keep taking
more when it is wrong dose or too
often-
Everyone's body is different. so you can
take nat mur 30 and have it work for
a month? or more? or a week? and need
another dose and it still works??

Then if you jumped up to 1m or something that was too high, you would
be in outer space for a week or two. 15 Jun 2012 04:51:41 BST]
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:47:39 BST]
 
simone717 last decade
yea it does, the mental provings or should I rather say psychiatric ones of the platinum 10M dose are going away. But it was so difficult to tell the remedy is wrong since I even started working and saw a homeopath in person. I felt improvements from it. And for 4 months no need to take a remedy.

But I was still panicky on days and it is actually exactly like the nat mur symptom of like walls closing in on you when I feel panicky.

So since the 10m dose I had trouble with taking showers because I felt fear and unsafe. So at times I had to go out. Now I have no problem and dont feel panicky. I still look out for it. Like a check in with my body when I just get into the shower. But nothing happens then and I can take shower without problem.

So I am not cured for still looking out for my problems whether they are here or not.


Also at night the paranoia that I had that platina did never improve... I can see with the natrum that when I wash my teeth at night and go with my mouth down to tap to put water in my mouth.. This always caused anxiety and I could not do it because I feared something will happen - someone will come into the room or house.
.. So yesterday I noticed that I could have my head down and not get anxious. This is new. But again I know I am not cured yet. Since I still did check in with my body to see if the anxiety will come when I had my head down to wash my mouth but there was no anxiety. So this is encouraging.


... I dont know what I was thinking with taking a 10M of a syphilitic type of remedy. It was quite an experience.

... Today I noticed I had very good energy at work. Its all because of my chest. The chest was the problem and not my stomach on which I used to meditate on a lot.
I overtook about 5 cars on my short way to work today. It was fun but I guess this is not what cure is about. But definately better then being depressed.
And I felt histrionic in real life. I guess to be expected. Since I took the natrum and it feels like something got better and now it feels like my heart closed again. And when its closed and if I dont feel too depressed then there is danger for me to be 'theatrical'.

The best description on histrionic personality disorder I found months ago was this one.... THat such people have a false self which is overly attention seeking, dramatic, affectionate and so on because this false self allows to experience INTIMACY or CLOSENESS safely. A compensation for a hurt person.
Its like for a narcissist who have a false self to not get critizised or I mean to not feel like there real self has been attacked so they have false selfs in an attempt that it wont wound their egos to much. And the histrionics have it to not feel hurt, to be able to experience closeness or intimacy.

But it doesnt work well. When I am attention seeking I feel alone, isolated regardless of the amount of attention I receive. This compensation doesnt work well. I still feel alone and hurt I guess.


.. With the platina I said often I did not feel like I am moving forward. It felt like small steps are only happening from the doses. Slowly. But anxiety felt pretty much controlled.

- with the natrum.. anxiety, embarassment is not under control at all. But I am way more expressive feeling and less anxious or normal but in some social situations I get anxious or feel embarrassed and there it feels out of control. Unlike on the platina. But oh well. All I want is to be able to be expressive without fears. So I dont care if I have to leave with the anxiety being uncontrolled often.

I took another 2 pellets today. Just felt like I need them because I am feeling that I am closed again and in this fake false self state. Where emotions closed from me and then I act. I dont like this state. Since I will always feel alone kind of in this state and hurt I guess.

I am more relaxed about 'money' now too. Dont need the car I am saving up for like as quick as possible. I can only imagine from my chest not being as blocked as possible anymore.

Yea I am positive about the natrum. It was kind of strange that every remedy I took always had an effect, aggravation or something, but the natrum as the only remedy just No reaction. And I took it twice in the past. In 30c and later in 1M. But nothing. Only now after the platina doses I felt the natrum. And to me it feels just like that platina. Only better of course and more subtle the aggravation.

I am writing my long posts again. But as I said I feel closed again.
[message edited by Almost on Fri, 15 Jun 2012 05:23:33 BST]
 
Almost last decade
and my younger brother at home with his girlfriend and all I am feeling is this hate again. Although maybe a bit less then I normally would. I am a big hater. And I feel uncomfortable being anywhere near those 2. And will have a boasting or tough kind of appearance around them 2 (my brother and his girl) I just cant anything else.
But good thing it does feel less. And that I know I must stop this hate.

Feeling aggravated kind of aswell from the repeated dose earlier
 
Almost last decade
Well maybe the platina removed a layer.
that is why people go thru a series of
remedies.

On keeping looking for the old things to
happen, that will go on for awhile till
you get more used to them NOT happening and then that becomes the
norm. The energy making the habit is
not there, but all the other parts of the
habit take a few weeks to go away. I
have gone thru that many times and that
is how it works.
 
simone717 last decade
I think it is because nat mur and platina are close remedies.. If you read the descritpion of it from george vithoulukas he says both have the same issue happening to each and the difference is one responds to it by withdrawing and the other gets a big ego.
I saw some cases before also where nat mur and platina were to be differentiated. Or often platina patients get nat or ignatia mistakenly prescribed first.
Symptom wise with not wanting to be touched, not wanting sympathy and so on they have many things in common I think.

Most likely it was just a close similimum I would think why platina helped. Like a lot with controlling my anxiety and bad feelings
 
Almost last decade
Where exactly does he say they have the same issue? What is that issue? Reprint it here, because those remedies do not have the same issue at all. No remedy has the same issue, or they would be the same remedy.

I have read alot of Vithoulkas on both those remedies, and I have never seen him say they are differentials. I know both those remedies quite well, having prescribed them sucessfully to cure patients. If they looked alike at all it was only superficially and that rarely distracts me for more than a few minutes.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
well maybe I used the wrong words to describe

He talks about how the pathology develops. That to natrum and platina the dissapointment happens and from there on both then go in different directions. The one withdraws while the other has the big ego.

Vithoulukas when he describes remedies does it in pathology stages or Of how the disease progresses. And he mentions natrum and platina at the beginning of disease stage, that both have dissapointment and then says how both go in different directions. This is what I meant
[message edited by Almost on Fri, 15 Jun 2012 07:28:03 BST]
 
Almost last decade
Do you know how many remedies have disappointment? As a causitive factor over 78. As simply a component to their case it is over 300. It is not a similarity, nor anything a homoeopath would use to differentiate. It is too broad, and frankly any human being can experience disappointment as a traumatic event, which might stimulate their state , and then they could need any remedy we have. Every human being has disapointment, every single one, at some stage in their life. It is just an emotion like grief or hate or lust. Everyone feels them, they do not lead you to remedies or helpful understanding of the internal conflict of the patient.

A causitive factor, stimulating cause, or triggering event is NOT the issue for the remedy. It is the response and the evolution, as Vithoulkas clearly says. You are just looking for reasons to justify why you kept yourself on the wrong remedy for so long. So with that being your focus, you keep missing the point.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
well there was a description of platina on vithoulukases website. And he used natrum in that description of platina like I mentioned. To bad I cant find the text anylonger. Maybe it was in some homeopathic encyclopedia books I used to have.

Yea I was blind with the platina. To long on it. I wasnt happy with it much anylonger but still thinking potency or something is just wrong. I should know that the energy improves greatly with similimum and for me work was very difficult. I left completely exhausted every day work. So my bad. Thankfully I wasnt stupid enough to take another 10M dose lol.
 
Almost last decade
Fastidiousness completely left me since I got more and more depressed over the past 6 years from my extreme self help attempts not working.

It didnt come back on platina on any dose... But since a few days I am feeling more organized. A desire for it again to have things a bit more in order. I noticed this just at work though. That when I had to put some things away it felt good sorting it all nicely.

This fastidiousness was gone (no desire to be fastidious) with the failed self help attempts that happened because it reminded me to much on the painful time period. the past where i did self help a lot and it didnt work out as planned. Things went completely wrong there and it makes me just sigh thinking of that time period.
But my chest is not tense really or blocked feeling.
I remember after that painful time period where the self help that I thought will cure me a 100# but didnt, even though I put so much energy into it... after this time perioed whenever I wanted to clean my room or have anything organized it was like just no no no, great resistance. Just complete no. Totally reminded me of that time period and just did not want to do be again like I was in the past. Just wanted to avoid it.


Just good that the platina provings seem to be going.

I think I proved a paranoia/scizophrenia type of issue. Sometimes even teddy bears seemed threatening lol. Anything that had eyes looked suspicious. But I guess it is true that proving a disease with homeopathy is not the same as having the disease. a difference still. Since its not like I really thought the teddy bear is going to do anything to me. Just thought how weird this paranoia is.

-scizophrenia/paranoia
- a type of manical violence. I had mental images of how I could attack people. This has gotten more and more with the low platina potencies I was taking few weeks ago. This made me think something is not right
- the impulse to stab someone when holding knife.

- at night some strange things were happening when it felt like energy was being released from my stomach. There it felt good, but this energy then went up to my head and there it felt like something wrong. As if mild convulsions or something. This was the most telling thing that something just not right.

- pictures when closing my eyes but apparently not a platina symptom. At least it not in those rubrics but natrum muriaticum is in some of those.
[message edited by Almost on Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:08:31 BST]
 
Almost last decade
Today its 50:50. Feel the improvements but the old crap state that I hate back. Where I post a lot and so on. I completely hate it.

Feeling maybe a bit more self worth though. On dating sites less needy. And not talking to every girl that wants sexual meetings and wanting that those girls want me. More self respect. Like I am fine and thinking to myself that I dont want those girls. I dont need them... I wanted to know always that every girl wants me, before.

Feels good not being such a needy mess.
 
Almost last decade
*
I noticed I am better at socializing. More open but guess what I got 'hurt' today by a comment from a girl. I talked more with one. So then she asked me whether I study or if I have any education and her reaction hurt. This immediately showed why it is so hard to improve for me. I could not talk with her from that moment anylonger or with anyone else. I had no desire again. And this is the reason why I am not around people of my age or at university because I can and will get easily hurt.
I could not forget about the comment for hours from the girl. I tried getting over it but I just could not. I was definately grieving and withdrawn. I was also wondering about what big impact such things have on me. That it is indeed a bit to much.
I also thought about that I need to get to uni just to be on the 'safe side' and not get hurt by peoples comments again. But I cant go yet.

**
I also dreamed of the past again. By going to the so called 'my friends house' and was terribly anxious in front of the house by the thought of going into it and having to socialize. But then I went in and surprisingly everything changed and I was rather confident and at ease in company. But the anxiety before hand just felt terrible. The guy who most reason I have Social anxiety and depression was also in the dream again.

And I dreamed of a girl I used to like a lot and she did dissapoint me once too. So in the dream my brother was on the phone with her. She called from my home country to this new country I am in now. And then I got the phone to talk to her. And I often said 'hello' but feared it was in a strange sounding voice which will make me not liked and/or ridiculed either by my brother or her. So I said a few more times 'hello' but she never said anything and then she just hung up and it was over.

I dont know it makes me sigh just thinking of this dream. I guess no resolution.



I had some platina themes again in my dreams tonight I think, maybe.

-first time I saw the on a balcony and people are below it thing. I dreamed of being at university and a teacher was teaching on the balcony down to the students. And I was looking from behind the teacher.

- a black guy was in my dream, unusual

- I gambled

- dreamed about my dog who female and he almost got jumped by another dog (to have sex I feared). A bit unusual.


====

I just hope the natrum will work. I cannot live without an education and I cannot get it still at the moment. The comments from people hurt.
[message edited by Almost on Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:22:14 BST]
 
Almost last decade
My chest feeling good from the natrum. Think cure possible with this remedy.
 
Almost last decade
I dont have the pictures when I close my eyes issue any longer really.

And I am working much more hours now and not feeling exhausted as usually.

So good things, especially the pictures going.

I think I feel less hate.

I noticed also I am very dependent, on my mother possibly and often I feel embarrassed for being to much of a 'good boy' at work.

.. I ordered 200c and 10M today so I have all potencies of nat mur.

Am I supposed to stay with 30c or move up to 200c soon? Think I could use some deeper cure especially with confidence around people and embarrassment issue,

And it is easier to be looked at by people for me.
 
Almost last decade
Stop posting here to me. I don't care what you are doing. Tabish is your practitioner now. Why don't you post on the treatment thread so Tabish can manage your case? He won't be reading this. Don't start self-prescribing as you will just end up ruining any good results you get. You may never need any other potency than the one you have taken. Let Tabish decide. Stop asking me for crap's sake.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
He refused Tabish help when offered.
Tabish has said a few weeks ago he
is maxed out on the cases he has on
here and is not taking anymore at present.

I think you should find an online homeopath that you like and pay the $30
or whatever, so you can ask these questions about dosing.
 
simone717 last decade
Well he is up a creek without a paddle then isn't he.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
the replies were unecessary. No need for that tone. If noone wants give advice then there is no need to reply. Dont want to hear that unproductive complaining & negativity. Ok, thanks
 
Almost last decade
Very unhappy.

I had to gamble again, but luckily I won again... I am just thinking about money money money all day. And getting the car I want. I only want the best and most things dont seem good enough for me.

This is a disease. I won just money again but its just not enough. I wont be happy until I have the big sum of money I need to buy the sports car I have in mind.

I also cannot accept spending or giving any money I earn away. It completely takes all my motivation away.
All I earn has to be put towards the goal. So I can get it quicker. Gambling is a good way to get money quicker. And I sure do like having lots of money in my pocket, And making big money. I won 600 dollars again and it feels like change although I am just a cleaner lol.

I had big desires with my appearance. Wanting to look really good. And any flaw or something that could on my appearance not look good would cause agony. Now I am just like that with money and the things I want. Most things dont seem good enough to me.


... I also sometimes noticed I am stuttering all of a sudden when a girl or whoever talks to me. Weird. Feel completely humiliated on one hand about how I am appearing. But on the other hand I can take things easier.


I am having great trouble also from feeling like the natrum making me be more talkactive and open but I get hurt so often Now.

Its difficult. The money situation, my big wants, and how easily I get hurt
[message edited by Almost on Fri, 22 Jun 2012 06:52:11 BST]
 
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