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bad proving from taking Medorrhinum 10MM!

A while back when I was desperately ill and had no ides what I was doing(obviously)...I took Medorrhinum 10MM...I believe I took it twice and it turned my face a horrific greenish gray color...I was told to take Medorrhinum 6c, which helped, slightly...The correct remedy for me at the time was Mercurius Solubilis, which is still healing my ailment...I have tried just about everything to get rid of this facial discoloration, which now is light gray or makes me look like I have a tan...What can I do that won't antidote the Mercury Sol? Please don't judge me here...I know how stupid this was and I have paid dearly. Thanks.
 
  franion on 2014-10-15
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
I know my warnings are not meant as judgements, and I think you have certainly learned from your experience.

If Merc sol is the right remedy and is still healing you, then there is nothing else you can do. You are doing the right thing, and you will need to be patient. 10MM is incredibly powerful - I have never used such a high potency. I am sure if Merc is the deep acting remedy you need, that over time it will heal everything that needs to be healed.

You cannot be 2 remedies at one time - if Merc is it, then it is it. Don't complicate things by adding a new remedy into the mix.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Well , From where did you get such a high potency like 10MM
 
gopal18 9 years ago
That doesn't matter...I take full responsibility for having taken it...I'm not going to hold the pharmacy responsible for dispensing it...That would be like blaming an auto manufacturer for my car crash when having driven wrecklessly...I came to this forum to ask for help...But it looks like I'm going to have to figure it out myself...And I shall.
 
franion 9 years ago
What are you talking about. I gave you the proper advice for such a situation. I am a homoeopath with 20 years of clinical experience. I have told you the best course of action in this situation.

Accepting responsibility ALSO means accepting the consequences. Acting hastily or impulsively now can make things much worse. As you can see trying to prescribe for yourself runs serious risks. Trust that the homoeopath will return you to a better level of health. You will need to be patient and work with them.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
So this is really about job security...You told me that the the Mercurius Solubilis, that was the correct remedy for my illness, would take care of the facial discoloration from the Medorrhinum?...It has not and it will not...Accepting the consequences doesn't mean that I should do nothing about it simply because you say so...Everything I have ever read about homeopathy has said that it would never do any harm if it was the wrong remedy....Big lie.
 
franion 9 years ago
Hi Franion,

Evocationer is away for 4 days.

From reading your first post , it sounded
like the face color had now changed
to a 'light gray' or making you look tan-
so that sounds like you were or are
improving.

If the Merc Sol is healing the other things, and your color is slowly getting better,
then it is reasonable that it would continue, so why risk stopping what is working.

If you are taking Merc sol and have gaps between, after 2 days of no Merc Sol you
can try Cal Phos cell salt 6x. Start with 3 tabs, 3 times a day. This is for greenish
complexion with a dirty look to it. See if you notice anything happening after a week.

Do not use the cell salt(s) within a couple days of taking a remedy. They rebalance things on
the cell levels.
 
simone717 9 years ago
Thank you very much! I really appreciate it!
 
franion 9 years ago
Job security? I don't understand what you are implying by that.

The right remedy will cure what it is capable of curing, and if well selected will cure all that needs to be cured. I am not sure how you have taken that in the way you have. Homoeopathy is a therapy that takes the long-view - we work deeply and slowly to build up the strength of the vital force and encourage it to sort out all the various problems that have arisen from it being out of balance. It takes time, and it takes patience. That is what I was saying. Cure can take months or even years if you are looking at chronic complaints, or tissue changes. It may not, but there is no way to step in and 'speed things up'. The vital force has its own blueprint for getting things done, and while we can stimulate it into action, in the end it sets its own pace (which it does because it is in your own best interest). One of the primary philosophical principles of homoeopath is respect for nature, for natural laws, for the individual and their process. We do not try to take control of it, dominate it, force it, but instead coax it into doing what must be done to achieve good health.

So you are not doing nothing - you are taking Mercurius. The remedies, especially at high potencies, may continue working (their effects continue to be felt) for months or even years (in rare instances) afterwards. I did not say 'do nothing' - I said be patient and let the remedy do its work.

If Mercurius is not the right remedy, or not 'right enough', then another remedy can be chosen in the same way but perhaps looking at different symptoms. Since homoeopathy follows a principle called 'Direction of Cure' we MUST cure from the centre outwards. People will often feel better in themselves first, mentally, emotionally, generally, then the specific physical locations will start to improve. Often this will not happen at all until the imbalance in the centre is quiet - and patients can find this difficult about homoeopathy because they have been trained to expect instant results by orthodox medicine.

I talked about consequences because you already are dealing with a consequence of misuse of our medicines, and I felt you were looking to make a similar mistake. For better or worse, it has happened, and now there is work that must be done to put it right. It can't just be waved away. Homoeopathy is powerful, one of the most powerful healing tools that exists in our world. It is not harmless - that is certainly a lie. No genuine homoeopath every lies thusly to their patient - but there are plenty of pseudohomoeopaths and other charlatans who do. Warnings about the harm our medicines can do are found in every one of our textbooks. The internet on the other hand is not a place where you can rely on things you read - you are certainly not the first person to be fooled that way, but it is NOT homoeopaths doing the fooling.

I am sorry you took my advice as some kind of insult. That was not how it was intended.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Can anyone tell me where can I get 10MM Potency if required.Thanks
Gopal
 
gopal18 9 years ago
Why on earth would you want a potency that high? Such potencies are dangerous, and used only in extremely rare situations. I have never used that high a potency in over 20 years of clinical practice, nor have I seen more than a handful of cured cases presented as examples of such a potency being needed.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Dear Sir
Actually I do not need it.however I am very curious to know who make such a high potency.please give me the information.
 
gopal18 9 years ago
Oh I see. Well many pharmacies make it, even though it is not used often. Helios in London make it I know that. I know other pharmacies make it because patients seem to be able to get hold of it (unfortunately).
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Dear Sir
I know about helios, ainsworths and Nelson pharmacy.however they make a maximum of MM
Potency.I am eager to know about the pharmacy making 10MM
Potency in a traditional way.

Thanks

Gopal
 
gopal18 9 years ago
Dear friends, i know the post is actually 4 years ago, i find myself in a same situation, can i ask you if with your simillimum merc solub the proving symptoms have been heald??

Thanks for answering

Greetings
 
lucawi 4 years ago
lucawi - Did you also have the same skin discoloration symptoms as the original poster after taking Medorrhinum 10MM?

Are you sure the remedy wasn't contaminated in some way, and were you able to resolve your problem?
 
Machinima 3 years ago
I took Medorrhinum in the 50M potency some years back prescribed by an MD who was also a homeopath. He was a very kind caring individual, but he made quite a few bad moves in the time I had consultations with him. The medorrhinum 50M was definitely one of them.
On my first visit he prescribed Sulfur 10M. That knocked out pretty severe acid reflux which has never come back to trouble me again, and helped with some other things too.
On the next visit he prescribed the Medorrhinum talking as though it would completely clear up a long standing problem with hay fever. IT DID NOT! What it did was give me severe insomnia for a month. I just could not sleep! (Surprisingly, I wasnt hurting that bad in the daytime). The doctor considered this to be a good sign; an aggravation rather than a proving. I should mention that one good thing it did was to knock off a large mole.
After a while I started going to a different homeopath, who was much better, the late George Skuby, here in Chicago Illinois USA. I was very helped by him and learned a lot of things that I would be glad to pass on.
He considered the insomnia I had to be a proving. He said that if you read the materia medicas they describe the Medorrhinum personality as being "vampires" who thrive at night and prefer the night time to day.
Some lessons: Be careful of high potencies! Way better to start low and work your way up! Sometimes smaller potencies can actually be more effective!
Be careful with all the nosodes/miasmatic remedies. Even doctors make mistakes with them, as my first had!
Another observation, if you dont take the "simillimum" you can get better temporarily, but the "cure" wears off and pretty soon you are back where you started
 
WTrotter 3 years ago
WTrotter - Thanks for sharing that. These are indeed quite high potencies. Could you share whether the remedies were supplied by the homeopaths themselves, or if you know which pharmacy produced them? Thanks.

Also, did your 2nd homeopath continue with 10M/50M etc. or start off with lower potencies?
 
Machinima 3 years ago
The homeopath who prescribed the Medorrhinum furnished it.
I believe that some suppliers require a prescription while others dont.

My second homeopath was very much the classical homeopath; start at the lowest potency that could help and then, if it appeared to be the right remedy, possibly go higher.
It seems that 90% of the time he started at 30C. I said to him once in joking, "they should rename you George 30C Skuby."
(Dr Skuby passed away this spring at the age of 86. He was held in very high regard in the homeopathic community around Chicago. I wont mention the name of my first homeopath, since I am being somewhat critical of him. He might have made honest mistakes but was a very good caring man. He has passed away also. God bless them both! If anybody can reccomend another good homeopath around Chicago, please let me know)


I really believe that often a remedy that would help at lower potency does nothing at higher.

One of the most dramatic for me was a remedy prescribed for irritable bowel. I had suffered with it for years. Very urgent diarrhea with meals, usually requiring at least three trips to the bathroom.
Many remedies worked for a time, (with both homeopaths) but would quit working and go back to the beginning; like an airplane that wont quite get off the runway,
Well, we hit a home run with Podophyllum 12C. That's right, just 12C.
But I was miserable at first! For several days I had stomach cramps that were just miserable. It was like my intestines were rerouting. Then suddenly, the cramps left and goodbye IBS!
[Edited by WTrotter on 2021-01-08 00:33:57]
 
WTrotter 3 years ago
> I really believe that often a remedy that would help at lower potency does nothing at higher.

This is also my experience, although I think you can generalise it as 'a remedy that would help at a certain potency may do nothing or cause an unproductive aggravation at a different (unsuitable) potency'.

This was my experience in the past when using Sulphur 6C helped, but 30C just caused a type of not very useful aggravation. Now years later, I seem to get more useful reaction from Sulphur 30C.

More recently, I have used a nosode and some other remedies in 30C where the 6C, 15C etc. (and LM potencies) didn't really work as well. So I think it also depends on the remedy itself, as well as a person's individual constitution/sensitivity to that remedy, at that point in time.

That sounds like a great reaction from the Podophyllum 12C. I'm curious how the 12C was decided on, had you tried Podophyllum at 30C previously?
 
Machinima 3 years ago
For whatever reason, my homeopath almost never explained why he chose the remedy or the potency. And it seemed like every time there was a different protocol (Take 4 pellets once or one pellet twice a day for a week or 1 pellet 3Xdaily for two weeks etc etc)
Now, once after the IBS cleared up I had a diarrhea attack for several days. I could barely work; like several times an hour I had to RUN to the bathroom, and heaven help anybody else headed to the same toilet! (ha! Ha! Although it wasnt funny at the time)
This time he prescribed Podophyllum 6C. Well it worked MIRACULOUSLY! Like sticking a fork in an electrical outlet! As soon as I put the pill on my tongue the diarrhea STOPPED
So now if I do have a little stomach trouble I do the same remedy at 6C and clear up quickly
 
WTrotter 3 years ago

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