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Evocationer Help. 6 Yr angry inflexible child

Hi Evocationer.

I would like you to consider the case of my 6 year (will be 7 in a month) old Son. The main problem that we are facing with him is that he is very inflexible and gets angry and frustrated very
easily if things aren't going his way. He starts screaming and crying and gets uncontrollable. We have tried reward/punishment with him but it doesn't work with him. When we take away his privileges he
starts screaming/crying and gets disrespectful. He gets normal after a while but just uncontrollable during that time.
He is very hard to please too. We do lot of things that makes him happy but at the end of it he gets angry for some trivial things and ruin all the fun. He takes away all the energy
that we have when we have to convince him. Once he ask or say something its very hard to change his mind from that thing. He just doesn't listen and just repeats what he wants. If not given , starts screaming crying.
We have been working on his behavior for long time and do see some small improvement but not much. He is also
still very shy to talk to other people. Don't look in the eyes when talking, don't say hi/hello. Not just strangers but
also our friends that he sees quite often.
When playing all he thinks about is winning and don't enjoy the games. He is mostly worried about losing.
When playing board games with us if he is losing he starts getting angry and frustrated. Sometimes he just doesn't play with
his friends because of the fear of losing. Any games or activity he doesn't enjoy and gets angry and frustrated if he loses.
He is also very loud when playing, makes loud noises, screams a lot when playing , just out of control sometimes.
Some Days are better and he behaves and obeys fine , talks nicely to everyone. But we have to push him very hard to behave like that.
Its also very hard to make him obey the rules. He starts crying , screams and gets disrespectful.

Describe each physical complaint/associated set of symptoms in detail. Please include the following when doing this:

1. Appearance
N/A
2. Sensation or pain
N/A
3. Situations/events/triggers for making it worse
When things aren't going his way or when he is losing when playing.

4. Situations/events/triggers for making it better

5. Event that seemed to start the complaint
6. Other sensory features – smell, sound, taste, tactile etc

Make sure each complaint is done separately. Do not group them together. This is for physical complaints/diseases.


MENTAL STATE OF THE CHILD (IMPORTANT)

1. When the physical complaint is active, what is his/her emotional state like? What does he/she do? What does she/he want you to do?
He is very disturbed. Starts crying and screaming, lay down on the floor and keeps crying. We tried to ignore this behavior but he just doesn't stop.

2. Does he/she describe any unusual sensation or pain in the body, especially when they are complaining of something?
No

3. What fears does he/she have? How does she/he react?
He is afraid of all the natural calamities like earth quakes , tornadoes etc. He reads about it in school
and describe and keeps asking if this ever happens here. I think he has a fear of death. He hasn't experienced
any of this yet.

4. Was there any incident in the past that had a great impact? What happened at the time? Is there any ongoing reaction to this event? How does he/she talk about it?
I m not sure about this. We thinks may be its our parenting in the initial year. We did yell at him on his
bad behaviors and we loved him too a lot. He was a difficult kid from the start so may be we yelled more but
don't recall any specific incident.

5. Is there any story (book, fairytale, cartoon, movie etc) that seems to really resonate with her/him? What does he/she say about it?
No

6. What kind of fantasies does she/he describe to you? How does this translate down into play, games, toys? Does he/she tend to draw particular things over and over? If so what are they? If you point to these images, what does she/he say about them?


7. Does he/she describe any dreams or nightmares to you, and what are they? How does she/he react on waking from them?

8. How is he/she when interacting with other children? What about sports or games? How about obeying rules or social conventions?
He can't start the conversation but once he gets mixed up he plays well at the start. He gets upset/angry very easily and thats one reason
other kids teases him. He then starts screaming on others. Most of the time he comes home crying because someone said something to him or someone is
not sharing. Also very loud when playing. He obeys rule outside but screams at other. If someone is snatching football from him, he gets rude and always scream. Also
just like to win all the time as I explained and upset others. When playing with coach he follows all rules very strictly, doesn't even sit
if he thinks its not allowed.

9. How is she/he when interacting with older people? Is there any difference between family or friends and strangers in terms of reactions and behavior?
He is still not comfortable interacting with older people. Can't look in the eyes and doesn't say hi/hello. No difference, With
family he gets comfortable after a while but shows no respect. If denied anything he just screams and gets
disrespectful.

10. What kind of activities does he/she enjoy doing? Which of these do she/he spend the most time at?
He do all kind of things and seems to enjoy. Keeps changing with time. Plays with legos, drawing., color, puzzles. He really enjoyes making
puzzles and legos. Also once he starts doing something he wants to finish it , gets angry . frustrated if the legos are
not fitting or he is doing something wrong. Likes to play outside and collect things like rock etc.

11. What qualities seem to make your child different from other children?

12. How does your child cope with school, school work, study, deadlines, speaking in front of others, following directions etc?
He is good in his school and gets good grades. He follows everything at school or the classes we sent him
to (like basketball, piano). He just doesn't obey us. He can't speak freely with other adults, although he talks a lot with
us. When someone tries to talk to him , he just nods hardly says any words.

13. What kind of questions does he/she tend to ask you or other adults?
He has lots of questions and it depends on what he is learning in school. Most of the time he just asks "Why"
why is it like that etc. He doesn't talk freely with other adults.

14. What makes her/him laugh? What makes him/her cry?
Playing with him makes him happy and he laughs. When things doesn't go his way he starts crying.

15. What makes him/her angry or irritable?
same, anything that doesn't go his way.

16. What does your child do when alone?

17. Is there a particular person or type of person that he/she reacts to, and what kind of reaction?


GENERAL STATE OF YOUR CHILD

1. What position does he/she sleep in?
on the back
2. Is there any position he/she seems unable to sleep in?

3. Any unusual behaviour during sleep?
Grinds his teeth. Sweats

4. Any problems with sleep?
no
5. What foods are craved (cravings are strong desires) What foods are hated?
nothing specific. I don't think he craved but likes to eat sugar sometimes.

6. What drinks are craved? What drinks are hated?
nothing specific

7. How does he/she react when hungry, or hunger is prolonged?
Angry

8. How does the weather affect?


9. How does the temperature affect?

10. Are there any other environmental influences negative or positive (season, noise, music, moon, light, dark, day, night, time, smells etc.)

11. Problems with stool or bowel habit?
Problems with urine or bladder habit?
NO
12. Where does he/she sweat most? Does it stain or smell unusual?
on the head. no

PREGNANCY AND BIRTH

1. What kind of health problems occurred while you were pregnant with your child?
Just few weeks before pregnancy, she had rashesa and itching on the skin. Dr prescribed some medicines for that. Other than
that it was fine.

2. Were there any other stresses or traumas that occurred?
No

3. Did the birth itself have any problems?
It was an induced labor , the due date was passed. She was in labor for long time and found out that the
baby had pooped inside so had to do C-Section.

4. Do you remember if any symptoms occurred suddenly during pregnancy that then vanished after your child was born? Especially important are any emotional or mental changes during this time.

The rashes on the skin but that went away before delivery
 
  coolme on 2015-04-06
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Give him Chamomilla 30

one dose a day for 3 days
 
Zady101 8 years ago
This is how I analysed the case:

Hard to please
Obstinate, resists wishes of others
Obstinate and angry
Dictatorial
Intolerant of contradiction
Competative
Offended easily

This puts one remedy at the top - Nux-vomica.

Below that, each with 2 rubrics/symptoms missing, are:

Lyc
Apis
Ign
Ferr
Cupr
Cina
Bry
Thuj
Tub

If I add 'grinding of the teeth during sleep' (one of the remarkably few number of physical symptoms/generals) this is shown in each of the above remedies.

What struck me though, about the description of his bad behaviour, is that it is NOT at school abut only at home (with you, his parents). This is a well known quality of LYCOPODIUM.

So my suggestion would be to try Lycopodium 200c, as a liquid dose, once only and then report after 7 days the reaction.

Adding my standard set of instructions for taking medicines.

If you have obtained pillules or pellets, you will need a small bottle and a dropper to make your own liquid dose. Mix water and alcohol into this small bottle to the ratio of 5:1. Dissolve 3 pillules/pellets into this bottle. All doses will be made from this bottle.

If you already have a liquid dose just start from step 1.

1. Hit the bottle 5 times firmly against the palm of the hand

2. Place 3 drops into 100mls of clean fresh water

3. Stir very thoroughly

4. Take 2 teaspoons out into the mouth and hold for 20 seconds, then swallow.

This is one dose and the same steps should be taken for any further doses, unless I ask you to change them in some way.

If any old symptoms reappear, or any current symptoms worsen, this is a GOOD sign in most cases. DO NOT SUPPRESS them with other kinds of medication unless you are in real danger (which is a highly unlikely reaction to a remedy).

However, if you are on regular medication it is also important that you do NOT stop taking this unless it is perfectly safe to do so. Once it is determined the medicine has acted beneficially, we can look at reducing such medication. Regular medication in this instance is NOT defined as other homoeopathic medicines which MUST be stopped. Tissue salts are the same as homoeopathic medicines and are in this category, as are Bach Flowers, Flower Essences, and Bush Flower Essences.
 
Evocationer 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer,

Thanks for the quick reply. I would like to mention few other things about him and see if lycopodium is still the remedy:

- He is very hesitant to talk to other adults. This I already mentioned that he just nods , hardly say a word or two when push too much. I think its his self confidence which is low can't talk freely. if he needs even a water in someone's house he asks us to ask them.

- He shows no affection to anyone.don't play with small kids or talk to them. When playing if someone gets hurt by accident he just watch, doesn't help him.

He also wants to try and do everything that we do. We explained him that he is young for certain things but when denied he gets angry.


Do you think lycopodium is the remedy? I will order it today.

Thanks
coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago
Not talking to adults still sounds like Lycopodium. Nothing makes me think of another remedy, so I would go ahead and try it.
 
Evocationer 8 years ago
I gave him a single dose of lycopodium yesterday. Will report in 7 days to see if there is any change in his behavior.

Thanks
 
coolme 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer,

Its 7 days since I gave him the one single dose of lycopodium.
I do not see any change in his behavior or may be any noticeable change in his behavior. He still cries on small things. Couldn't talk to adults etc.

The only minor change that I can say I observed is in his way of talking. He seemed little polite then he used to and was talking nicely to his younger brother. But I can't say for sure because as I mentioned he did behave well sometimes. The whole week was raining so he didn't go outside to play so can't observe his behavior when playing with kids.

Thats all I noticed in him. Overall this week was little easy to deal with him. Can't say for sure if this is due to medicine.

What do you suggest next ?

Thanks
coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago
I feel confident with the remedy choice. Some change in his behaviour is a good sign. Perhaps not enough yet though.

Let's go through his symptoms and try and get an idea of the depth of any overall change.

You've done this before, but just to recap - next to each one write better, worse or same. If better or worse, write a percentage as well to represent how much (%)

Inflexibility
Angers very easily
Anger if things don't go his way
Disrespectful attitude
Hard to please
Anger over trivial things
Hard to change his mind
Not listening
Shyness
Won't look in eyes when talking
Aggravated by losing games
Very loud
Generally out of control
Won't obey rules

Grinding teeth in sleep
Sweating during sleep
Desire to eat sugar
 
Evocationer 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer,

I will try to put my best to this but it was difficult to monitor him. He do sometime behave well and surprise us.

Inflexibility - Same
Angers very easily - Same but I think the intensity has improved little. Not that intense may be 10% better
Anger if things don't go his way - Same as above
Disrespectful attitude - same
Hard to please - same
Anger over trivial things -same as above
Hard to change his mind - I see some improvement only yesterday. He wanted to buy lunch in school. Normally if we tell him to not buy today because the lunch is already ready but he can buy tomorrow, He won't listen and starts crying etc. Yesterday he agreed easily.
Not listening - better 10%
Shyness - same
Won't look in eyes when talking -same
Aggravated by losing games - Couldn't observe. We played board game but he was winning so was happy -:).
Very loud - same
Generally out of control - 20% better
Won't obey rules - better 20%

Grinding teeth in sleep - didn't observe. But he doesn't grind daily. did't see him grinding this week.
Sweating during sleep - didn't sweat but again its not daily.
Desire to eat sugar - I think he ate more sugar this week.


I also read characteristic of lycopodium child and it matches with him so I hope this is the right remedy.

What do you suggest ?

Thanks
coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer.

Waiting for your reply on this one. Please suggest the next step.

Thanks
coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago
Odd. I posted an answer yesterday, but it seems to have disappeared.

Since there are definite changes, and the dose was 10 days ago, I would like you to give him another dose exactly as before except I want you to hit the bottle 10 times first.
 
Evocationer 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer,

Thanks. I will give him the dose.
I do observe some more improvement in last 2 days. He seemed little calmer than before. Not screaming or out of control. Will continue to observe and report in 7 days.

Thanks a lot
coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago
Wait. If he is still improving wait a little longer before redosing.
 
Evocationer 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer,

Somehow I missed your last post on this , I just saw it today when I came to update the thread. I did gave him the dose on Thursday (04/23). So its now more than 10 days. I did observe some changes as I mentioned. He is little bit in control and listening. I would say 15-20% improvement. He is still crying for small things but now stops crying and get in control faster then before.

One specific change that we observed was that he talked to the server in the restaurant. He never did it before , he never talked to server always ask us to order but this time he just talked to him nicely. He asked for candies and he was fine when the server said "after your dinner". I was expecting angry face but he was in control.

Overall I would say 15-20% improvement.

What do you suggest next.

Thanks
coolme.
 
coolme 8 years ago
Hi,

I m waiting for Evocationer to reply to this thread. I was following forum and know that he is not available.
I would like to know if someone can help me with the dosage that Evocationer prescribed. Its been arnd 20 days to the last dose. He seems little better with his anger but he is still not listening and obeying. He just wants to do what he likes and when insist on something he starts crying. I observed the intensity is not as loud now but we still have to give up when he starts crying and goes out of control.
Should I repeat the dose and how ? Please if someone knows the style of Evocationer doses .

Thanks
coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago
You can try giving him the 200c just as you did
before. One dose, hit the bottle 5 times. Report
what you notice going on after 7 days.
 
simone717 8 years ago
I am back on board now after a protracted illness.

As well as repeating the dose, I would obtain 1M of the same remedy.
 
Evocationer 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer,

Hope you are doing well. Glad to see you back on forum.

I have a question regarding the dose. Last dose I hit the bottle 10 times. Should I hit it 10 times or 5 times for this dose ?

Thanks
coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago
Sorry, I thought the last time
you did the hits 5x.

This time should be the same as
last time or more, depending on
What Evocationer tells you to do.
 
simone717 8 years ago
We went on vacation right after this post so gave him the dose today. Will report in 7 day
 
coolme 8 years ago
Hi Evocationer,

So its arnd 10 days when I gave him the last dose and would like to report his progress.

I observe that he has started to talk to adults easily. Before we had to push him hard but now not so much. I would say its 35-40% improvement in this area.

Intensity of his anger has gone down a bit. He still gets angry very easily but now come to his senses soon and gets calm down quickly. 25-30% improvement.

He still gets disrespectful when denied something or when he is angry. Not much improvement in this.

He seems to be smiling and being happy more often now than before. Before he was mostly upset and angry for one or the other reason.

He is still loud when playing at home and talking to his younger brother.Not much improvement.
Gets angry on his younger brother and yell on him.

Still afraid of losing in games. but I did see some improvement here not much may be 15% .

His listening and obeying gets little better too. 25% improvement.

I would also like to add one more thing that I didn't mention initially is that he gets bored very quickly. Specially a long drive with him is very painful. He will be fine for initial 30 min or so and after that he will start getting frustrated and cranky and starts crying.

Overall I would say he is behaving better than before. But I also noticed that his anger and disrespect gets better just after the dose but slowly goes back to where it was as time goes by.

What do you suggest as next steps for him ?

Thanks a lot for all your help.

-coolme
 
coolme 8 years ago

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