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Calcium, Silica and Magnesium
I would like to start this discussion on these three mineral, Calcium, Silicon and Magnesium.I would request each of the homeopathic consultant to participate in this.
In Normal Medical Science what we call Allopathy, Calcium is so much mentioned for many pain related issue..
Other naturopaths/wellness doctors suggests Magnesium as No. 1 supplements for most the chronic pain we have today.
Some docs suggest that silica is required for soft tissues.
with my limited knowledge on Homeopathy, why there is no concept of supplementation in Homeo or is all the body pain can be treated with out these supplementation?
bhuptgu on 2015-04-30
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
You are looking at two different systems. Nutrition
and Homeopathy.
As far as calcium, silica and magnesium, your body
gets these things thru proper food and water.
If you are low, then adjust your diet and include
foods that have a high content of these things.
The body knows what to do with food and how
much to take from foods and how much to excrete.
However, everything has to be in balance, don't
overdo one food. And, everyone is different in
what is the right balance for them or right foods
for them.
Nutrition is a course of study on its own. Everyone
has to eat healthy food, and sleep the proper amount
as the very core of functioning or you go out of
balance.
Homeopathy is for disease or Imbalance Only.
It is not basic nutrition. It works by finding
a remedy that matches the symptoms of imbalance.
When the remedy is a good match, your body will
not accept a match to what is already going on.
The body will react to a good match by raising your
life force to clear out disease and imbalance in
a certain order.
Cell salts (12 of them) are a sub system of homeopathy. They are what the cells are made out of. When they match your symptoms they work by
rebalancing the cell itself ( too much or too little) When you are balanced you stop taking them
or you will overdose. They are not a supplement.
and Homeopathy.
As far as calcium, silica and magnesium, your body
gets these things thru proper food and water.
If you are low, then adjust your diet and include
foods that have a high content of these things.
The body knows what to do with food and how
much to take from foods and how much to excrete.
However, everything has to be in balance, don't
overdo one food. And, everyone is different in
what is the right balance for them or right foods
for them.
Nutrition is a course of study on its own. Everyone
has to eat healthy food, and sleep the proper amount
as the very core of functioning or you go out of
balance.
Homeopathy is for disease or Imbalance Only.
It is not basic nutrition. It works by finding
a remedy that matches the symptoms of imbalance.
When the remedy is a good match, your body will
not accept a match to what is already going on.
The body will react to a good match by raising your
life force to clear out disease and imbalance in
a certain order.
Cell salts (12 of them) are a sub system of homeopathy. They are what the cells are made out of. When they match your symptoms they work by
rebalancing the cell itself ( too much or too little) When you are balanced you stop taking them
or you will overdose. They are not a supplement.
♡ simone717 8 years ago
many doctors say for some disease like general bone/muscle pain, take calcium, then does it means if we go by homeopathy we do not required calcium pills
bhuptgu 8 years ago
No, it does not mean that.
If you are deficient in Calcium, then you
need to know why that is.
1. Is it your diet? Try eating more calcium
rich foods, bc food is the best way to get it.
2. If you have a diet with good calcium levels,
and you are still low in calcium, then there
may be a problem with your digestion, and
absorption of nutrients.
If so, that is an imbalance, not a lack of,
and then you could have your case taken to
put your digestion back into balance and
then nutrients would be utilized ,
your good food intake would keep levels
correct after a remedy fixed the digestion.
If you are deficient in Calcium, then you
need to know why that is.
1. Is it your diet? Try eating more calcium
rich foods, bc food is the best way to get it.
2. If you have a diet with good calcium levels,
and you are still low in calcium, then there
may be a problem with your digestion, and
absorption of nutrients.
If so, that is an imbalance, not a lack of,
and then you could have your case taken to
put your digestion back into balance and
then nutrients would be utilized ,
your good food intake would keep levels
correct after a remedy fixed the digestion.
♡ simone717 8 years ago
got it. But can we say that food that we eat has all the sufficient nutrients in them.
it is our digestion issues, which is causing less absorption of nutrients these days
it is our digestion issues, which is causing less absorption of nutrients these days
bhuptgu 8 years ago
If you are eating fast food, restaurant food,
low quality food, then yes- you won't be getting
the best nutrients or enough. But, it is always
best to try to get the nutrients from food first.
And if you have had antibiotics, you would want to
start a course of probiotics. Find one that has 8 strains, and take one a day for a few months. You
have to experiment with brands bc people all react
differently. The probiotic puts back in healthy
gut flora needed to digest properly.
I would always study your diet, do the probiotics
make sure you sleep well and enough and get 30 minutes of exercise a day as the exercise helps
with elimination and blood flow and that helps
everything.
You can go click on Fitness , a prescriber on here_
and see his profile and website, he gives good
basic diet advice.
So the food quality, sleep, exercise are always
the foundation. Make sure your foundation is
strong, and then address what is not working
well with the homeopathy- or you can do them
at the same time if out of balance. But the remedies
do not take care of the foundation, which you
have to maintain.
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 01 May 2015 04:23:29 BST]
low quality food, then yes- you won't be getting
the best nutrients or enough. But, it is always
best to try to get the nutrients from food first.
And if you have had antibiotics, you would want to
start a course of probiotics. Find one that has 8 strains, and take one a day for a few months. You
have to experiment with brands bc people all react
differently. The probiotic puts back in healthy
gut flora needed to digest properly.
I would always study your diet, do the probiotics
make sure you sleep well and enough and get 30 minutes of exercise a day as the exercise helps
with elimination and blood flow and that helps
everything.
You can go click on Fitness , a prescriber on here_
and see his profile and website, he gives good
basic diet advice.
So the food quality, sleep, exercise are always
the foundation. Make sure your foundation is
strong, and then address what is not working
well with the homeopathy- or you can do them
at the same time if out of balance. But the remedies
do not take care of the foundation, which you
have to maintain.
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 01 May 2015 04:23:29 BST]
♡ simone717 8 years ago
is there something in Homeopathy which would restore gut flora instead of using probiotics..
Can we use Curd as natural source of probiotics
Can we use Curd as natural source of probiotics
bhuptgu 8 years ago
The answer is Not really. It takes some time to rebuild the gut
flora back and in the meantime normal bacteria that is already
part of the gut flora, like candida, has nothing to keep it in
check so it goes out of control easily, people crave sugar to feed
the candida, they get thrush and fungus problems from it, discharges
etc,.
Curd and yogurt etc are not really probiotics- they help with
digestion. However, drs. say find a probiotic with 8 strains of bacteria in large amounts to target the problem specifically.
Here is an article on this by a Dr. from "The Hindu" on what is a
probiotic.
WHAT IS A PROBIOTIC-
condensed points and article below-
A REAL probiotic must have the following:
1. live micro organisms
2. Numbers of the above should be around 1 Billion
3. They must be resistant to gastric acid, bile and pancreatic juices
4. They must reach the target ( small and large intestine) in Large numbers to benefit
5. What you use should be Science validated- thru clinic trials
________________________________________________
According to a 2002 study published in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the amount and strain of useful bacteria in curd vary from place to place.The number of different Lactobacillus bacteria isolated from curd preparations in India is as high as 250 species. But can curd and yoghurt be technically called as probiotics?
Dr. Neerja Hajela, who is theHead- Science at Yakult Danone India Pvt. Ltd, in an email to R. Prasad, dwelt in detail on the contentious issue.
Can curd and yoghurt be called as probiotics?
No. Curd and yoghurt cannot be called as true probiotics.
What is the reason for this?
According to the 2001 definition of probiotics by FAO/WHO, it is important that for any strain/product to be classified as a probiotic it must be or must contain live microorganisms (generally numbering one billion) which are resistant to gastric acid, bile and pancreatic juices and reach the target site (small intestine/large intestine) in numbers sufficient enough to elicit a beneficial effect. It should be scientifically validated through well controlled clinical trials.
Curd is defined as a product obtained by souring boiled or pasteurized milk naturally, by harmless lactic acid bacteria or other bacterial cultures. It may contain a wide variety of bacteria, which are not defined qualitatively/quantitatively. The number and type of bacteria also vary from home to home.
Yoghurt, on the other hand, is obtained by lactic acid fermentation of milk by Lactobacillus delbrueckii subspecies bulgaricus and Streptococcus thermophillus, which are not true probiotics as per the definition.
While one cannot undermine the nutritional benefits that these products bestow, it still remains to be determined whether these products contain organisms that are defined in terms of number, viability at the target site and whether scientifically validated for health benefits (all these criteria as per the universally accepted probiotic definition). Hence, products that are standardised in terms of the strain of bacteria, viable count and scientifically proven health benefits are different from these natural products.
A 2002 study published in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition which had also used Indian dahi found it to be effective in significantly reducing the duration of diarrhoea. Your comments.
I am not so sure of the study design, but the probiotic (Actimel) was more effective in terms of reducing the duration of diarrhoea (0.6 days versus 0.3 days) as compared with curd. The curd used in the study was a standardised preparation with defined viable count.
Should a product contain a certain number and specific beneficial bacterial species to be called a probiotic?
Yes, it is important that a food item/product contains a specific number of beneficial bacteria for it to be called a probiotic.
The benefits are strain specific, and therefore vary from strain to strain.
Which are the Lactobacilli species present in curd and yoghurt?
Curd may contain a wide variety of bacteria like Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactococcus lactis, Lactococcus lactis cremoris etc, whereas yoghurt contains Streptococcus thermophillus and Lactobacillus bulgaricus.
Can the number of bacteria present in curd and yoghurt be increased through natural fermentation?
Yes, the number of bacteria can be increased by natural fermentation. However, prolonged fermentation tends to render the product very sour because of excess amount of acetic/lactic acid that is produced during the process. Moreover, the exact bacterial count cannot be determined in a process that has not been standardised.
It has been a traditional practice to provide buttermilk to children suffering from diarrhoea. If it is not a probiotic, is buttermilk just keeping the children hydrated?
Curd and buttermilk, apart from being a part of our diet, are also taken by people who are lactose intolerant cannot digest lactose since they lack the enzymes that are needed to break down lactose, the milk sugar.
In fermented products like curd and buttermilk, most of the lactose is converted to lactic acid/acetic acid by the enzymes that are found in fermenting bacteria. Hence these products are easier to digest.
The role of buttermilk in treating diarrhoea has not been scientifically proven. But it is given during diarrhoea to rehydrate, and hence it imparts some benefit.
[message edited by simone717 on Sun, 03 May 2015 16:57:52 BST]
flora back and in the meantime normal bacteria that is already
part of the gut flora, like candida, has nothing to keep it in
check so it goes out of control easily, people crave sugar to feed
the candida, they get thrush and fungus problems from it, discharges
etc,.
Curd and yogurt etc are not really probiotics- they help with
digestion. However, drs. say find a probiotic with 8 strains of bacteria in large amounts to target the problem specifically.
Here is an article on this by a Dr. from "The Hindu" on what is a
probiotic.
WHAT IS A PROBIOTIC-
condensed points and article below-
A REAL probiotic must have the following:
1. live micro organisms
2. Numbers of the above should be around 1 Billion
3. They must be resistant to gastric acid, bile and pancreatic juices
4. They must reach the target ( small and large intestine) in Large numbers to benefit
5. What you use should be Science validated- thru clinic trials
________________________________________________
According to a 2002 study published in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition, the amount and strain of useful bacteria in curd vary from place to place.The number of different Lactobacillus bacteria isolated from curd preparations in India is as high as 250 species. But can curd and yoghurt be technically called as probiotics?
Dr. Neerja Hajela, who is theHead- Science at Yakult Danone India Pvt. Ltd, in an email to R. Prasad, dwelt in detail on the contentious issue.
Can curd and yoghurt be called as probiotics?
No. Curd and yoghurt cannot be called as true probiotics.
What is the reason for this?
According to the 2001 definition of probiotics by FAO/WHO, it is important that for any strain/product to be classified as a probiotic it must be or must contain live microorganisms (generally numbering one billion) which are resistant to gastric acid, bile and pancreatic juices and reach the target site (small intestine/large intestine) in numbers sufficient enough to elicit a beneficial effect. It should be scientifically validated through well controlled clinical trials.
Curd is defined as a product obtained by souring boiled or pasteurized milk naturally, by harmless lactic acid bacteria or other bacterial cultures. It may contain a wide variety of bacteria, which are not defined qualitatively/quantitatively. The number and type of bacteria also vary from home to home.
Yoghurt, on the other hand, is obtained by lactic acid fermentation of milk by Lactobacillus delbrueckii subspecies bulgaricus and Streptococcus thermophillus, which are not true probiotics as per the definition.
While one cannot undermine the nutritional benefits that these products bestow, it still remains to be determined whether these products contain organisms that are defined in terms of number, viability at the target site and whether scientifically validated for health benefits (all these criteria as per the universally accepted probiotic definition). Hence, products that are standardised in terms of the strain of bacteria, viable count and scientifically proven health benefits are different from these natural products.
A 2002 study published in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition which had also used Indian dahi found it to be effective in significantly reducing the duration of diarrhoea. Your comments.
I am not so sure of the study design, but the probiotic (Actimel) was more effective in terms of reducing the duration of diarrhoea (0.6 days versus 0.3 days) as compared with curd. The curd used in the study was a standardised preparation with defined viable count.
Should a product contain a certain number and specific beneficial bacterial species to be called a probiotic?
Yes, it is important that a food item/product contains a specific number of beneficial bacteria for it to be called a probiotic.
The benefits are strain specific, and therefore vary from strain to strain.
Which are the Lactobacilli species present in curd and yoghurt?
Curd may contain a wide variety of bacteria like Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactococcus lactis, Lactococcus lactis cremoris etc, whereas yoghurt contains Streptococcus thermophillus and Lactobacillus bulgaricus.
Can the number of bacteria present in curd and yoghurt be increased through natural fermentation?
Yes, the number of bacteria can be increased by natural fermentation. However, prolonged fermentation tends to render the product very sour because of excess amount of acetic/lactic acid that is produced during the process. Moreover, the exact bacterial count cannot be determined in a process that has not been standardised.
It has been a traditional practice to provide buttermilk to children suffering from diarrhoea. If it is not a probiotic, is buttermilk just keeping the children hydrated?
Curd and buttermilk, apart from being a part of our diet, are also taken by people who are lactose intolerant cannot digest lactose since they lack the enzymes that are needed to break down lactose, the milk sugar.
In fermented products like curd and buttermilk, most of the lactose is converted to lactic acid/acetic acid by the enzymes that are found in fermenting bacteria. Hence these products are easier to digest.
The role of buttermilk in treating diarrhoea has not been scientifically proven. But it is given during diarrhoea to rehydrate, and hence it imparts some benefit.
[message edited by simone717 on Sun, 03 May 2015 16:57:52 BST]
♡ simone717 8 years ago
but is tissue salts replacement of supplements?
bhuptgu 8 years ago
Yes, but it must be done in the right way,
and it is not something that you continue like
supplements.
If you are getting good, balanced foods, and water,
and sleep and exercise and you have symptoms-
you use those symptoms to guide you to choose
the right salt or salts. The correct dose and
amounts of dosing replenishes the cells so that
they now work well, and then the specific cells
that work on specific organs can restore optimal
function.
Once that is done, you do not need to take them.
If you think about what antibiotics do, killing off
the gut flora, like someone coming in and cutting
down a forest? One has to take a different approach
and plant new trees, which is what the probiotics do. If your digestion is good, then you can assimilate thru diet what the cells need each day.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 06 May 2015 01:20:04 BST]
and it is not something that you continue like
supplements.
If you are getting good, balanced foods, and water,
and sleep and exercise and you have symptoms-
you use those symptoms to guide you to choose
the right salt or salts. The correct dose and
amounts of dosing replenishes the cells so that
they now work well, and then the specific cells
that work on specific organs can restore optimal
function.
Once that is done, you do not need to take them.
If you think about what antibiotics do, killing off
the gut flora, like someone coming in and cutting
down a forest? One has to take a different approach
and plant new trees, which is what the probiotics do. If your digestion is good, then you can assimilate thru diet what the cells need each day.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 06 May 2015 01:20:04 BST]
♡ simone717 8 years ago
Supplements are often advised basis on serum test..
But is serum test true reflection of deficiency?
Bcoz, there might be enough Ca level in blood but may not be in bones..
In that case, I think tissue salts are better than allopathic supplements
But is serum test true reflection of deficiency?
Bcoz, there might be enough Ca level in blood but may not be in bones..
In that case, I think tissue salts are better than allopathic supplements
bhuptgu 8 years ago
You can check your bones for density thru and xray
test.
You need Calcium everyday from food. If your gut
is not working right, no matter how many supplements
you take, the gut will not absorb the supplements
either.
So you do not want to take Cell Salts for low calcium-
you want Cell Salts or a remedy that fixes
the CORE problem of WHY? What is causing this to happen.
Lower than normal levels may be due to:
Disorders that affect absorption of nutrients from the intestines
Hypoparathyroidism
Kidney failure
Low blood level of albumin
Liver disease
Magnesium deficiency
Osteomalacia
Pancreatitis
Vitamin D deficiency -
Gaintrox is working on your gut issues. You need to eat the right foods,
and that should be enough to fix calcium levels if your gut is working right.
test.
You need Calcium everyday from food. If your gut
is not working right, no matter how many supplements
you take, the gut will not absorb the supplements
either.
So you do not want to take Cell Salts for low calcium-
you want Cell Salts or a remedy that fixes
the CORE problem of WHY? What is causing this to happen.
Lower than normal levels may be due to:
Disorders that affect absorption of nutrients from the intestines
Hypoparathyroidism
Kidney failure
Low blood level of albumin
Liver disease
Magnesium deficiency
Osteomalacia
Pancreatitis
Vitamin D deficiency -
Gaintrox is working on your gut issues. You need to eat the right foods,
and that should be enough to fix calcium levels if your gut is working right.
♡ simone717 8 years ago
Each of these remedies are made up of different
substances. They are not the same so they will have
differences in the materia medica.
You can look them up in the materia medica on
the forum and compare yourself what is different
in the mental symptoms for instance, and then
go on to compare sleep differences, and other things.
They are polycrest remedies which means they
cover a huge amount of things, you have to study it.
[message edited by simone717 on Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:11:01 UTC]
substances. They are not the same so they will have
differences in the materia medica.
You can look them up in the materia medica on
the forum and compare yourself what is different
in the mental symptoms for instance, and then
go on to compare sleep differences, and other things.
They are polycrest remedies which means they
cover a huge amount of things, you have to study it.
[message edited by simone717 on Thu, 25 Jun 2015 16:11:01 UTC]
♡ simone717 8 years ago
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