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Lichen sclerosis and thuja

Hi. I have had LS for a couple of years. I have tried various homeopaths, naturopaths and remedies. What a difficult condition! All sorts of remedies work for a while then stop. Sulphur, nat sulph, sepia, hepar sulph. I am now using thuja 200 as well as herbs, cream, vit a and zinc. I am improving but a fair way from better. I have 2 main questions: 1. how often is it safe to take thuja 200. I get relief from it but after a week i want to take another one as the symptoms of itch become too much to manage with creams. 2. Is there another remedy that complements thuja that i can take in between to relieve the itch and work with the thuja? Would sulphur do that? Or nat sulph? Thank you
 
  BertieBeetle on 2016-10-29
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
You could have continued your old thread.

If Thuja is helping only temporarily, you may consider petroleum.

Take three doses in 200 potency, one dose daily and wait for 4 days without any medicine.

Report after a week.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
Thanks. I couldn't find it.
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
Click your username. You can see all your previous posts. Click on the latest one. You will be back to your thread.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
Will do. Will post here for now. I have just read up on petroleum. There are some good matches with my condition. Are you a homeopath?
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
On the other thread you said to wait or a week after taking thuja. it's 9 days now. Perhaps i could take another. It does seem to help and i an reluctant to change around or can thuja and petro go together? Thanks
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
No. Never take two medicines together. That will lead to more complex problems difficult to cure.

Let us assess the response to Thuja properly.

Is there progressive improvement with every dose of Thuja?

How much better you are after starting Thuja? Give percentage.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
Click my username to know about me.
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
I have taken 3 doses of thuja. There is an immediate improvement that lasts for a few days, 80%. Then the itch reemerges and i can manage it with various local applications. After a week to 9 days it is harder to get relief from the creams. Thats when i feel like taking another remedy. That's where I am at now. i dont think there has been progressive improvement ust this consistent pattern over the 3 doses.
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
P.s. i have a little sore in my left ear that came up yesterday. It is sore to touch and weepy. Not sure if it's related or not except everything is.
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
If there is no progressive improvement, but every time it is helping, we can try plussed doses and see how it holds.


Do you have 200 c liquid?

Murthy
[message edited by gavinimurthy on Sat, 29 Oct 2016 05:50:50 UTC]
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
No i have pillules.
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
Ok.

Procure 500 ml. water bottle. Pour out about 100 ml.

Mix 4 pills in the remaining water, shake vigorously till they dissolve and take 15 ml. as one dose.

Before you take the next dose, shake the bottle vigorously, and also hit it against a bound book 10 times. This process will increase the potency slightly and allows us to repeat the medicine at frequent intervals.

Take 15 ml. on alternate days. Don't keep the bottle in fridge. Keep it in the room at ordinary temperature.

Keep taking as long as the improvement continues. Stop taking it , if you get considerable relief/ increase in symptoms/ getting troublesome additional symptoms.

Report back after a week.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
Mr. Murthy,
A suggestion.
Thuja is probably right for him but as long as he is going to apply creams to his skin he will not be cured.

He should give the skin run its course without doing anything for it, though a bit distressing and may take longer time.

Hoepfully, that should suffice.
 
DrKulkarni 7 years ago
Hello Dr Kulkarni and thank you for your input. Are you in agreeance with the way of taking the remedy and the dosage that Murthy has recommended for me?
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
From Organon..by Hanemann..the founder of homeopathy.

Organon aphorism §246
Every perceptibly progressive and strikingly increasing amelioration during treatment is a condition which, as long as it lasts, completely precludes every repetition of the administration of any medicine whatsoever, because all the good the medicine taken continues to effect is now hastening towards its completion. This is not infrequently the case in acute diseases, but in more chronic diseases, on the other hand, a single dose of an appropriately selected homeopathic remedy will at times complete even with but slowly progressive improvement and give the help which such a remedy in such a case can accomplish naturally within 40, 50, 60, 100 days. This is, however, but rarely the case; and besides, it must be a matter of great importance to the physician as well as to the patient that were it possible, this period should be diminished to one-half, one-quarter, and even still less, so that a much more rapid cure might be obtained. And this may be very happily affected, as recent and oft-repeated observations have taught me under the following conditions: firstly, if the medicine selected with the utmost care was perfectly homeopathic; secondly, if it is highly potentized, dissolved in water and given in proper small dose that experience has taught as the most suitable in definite intervals for the quickest accomplishment of the cure but with the precaution, THAT THE DEGREE OF EVERY DOSE DEVIATE SOMEWHAT FROM THE PRECEDING AND FOLLOWING in order that the vital principle which is to be altered to a similar medicinal disease be not aroused to untoward reactions and revolt as is always the case(132) with unmodified and especially rapidly repeated doses.


Organon aphorism §247
It is impractical to repeat the same unchanged dose of a remedy once, not to mention its frequent repetition (and at short inervals in order not to delay the cure). The vital principle does not accept such unchanged doses without resistance, that is, without other symptoms of the medicine to manifest themselves than those similar to the disease to be cured, because the former dose has already accomplished the expected change in the vital principle and a second dynamically wholly similar, unchanged dose of the same medicine no longer finds, therefore, the same conditions of the vital force. The patient may indeed be made sick in another way by receiving other such unchanged doses, even sicker than he was, for now only those symptoms of the given remedy remain active which were not homeopathic to the original disease, hence no step towards cure can follow, only a true aggravation of the condition of the patient. But if the succeeding dose is changed slightly every time, namely potentized somewhat higher (pp. 269-270)) then the vital principle may be altered without difficulty by the same medicine (the sensation of natural disease diminishing) and thus the cure brought nearer.(133)


Organon aphorism §248
For this purpose, we potentize anew the medicinal solution(134) (with perhaps 8, 10, 12 succussions) from which we give the patient one or (increasingly) several teaspoonful doses, in long lasting diseases daily or every second day, in acute diseases every two to six hours and in very urgent cases every hour or oftener. Thus in chronic diseases, every correctly chosen homeopathic medicine, even those whose action is of long duration, may be repeated daily for months with ever increasing success. If the solution is used up (in seven to fifteen days) it is necessary to add to the next solution of the same medicine if still indicated one or (though rarely) several pellets of a higher potency with which we continue so long as the patient experiences continued improvement without encountering one or another complaint that he never had before in his life. For if this happens, if the balance of the disease appears in a group of ALTERED symptoms then ANOTHER, ONE MORE HOMEOPATHICALLY RELATED MEDICINE MUST BE CHOSEN IN PLACE OF THE LAST AND ADMINISTERED IN THE SAME REPEATED DOSES, mindful, however, of modifying the solution of every dose with thorough vigorous succussions, thus changing its degree of potency and increasing it somewhat. On the other hand, should there appear during almost daily repetition of the well indicated homeopathic remedy, towards the end of the treatment of a chronic disease, SO-CALLED HOMEOPATHIC AGGRAVATIONS (§ 161) by which the balance of the morbid symptoms seem to again increase somewhat (the medicinal disease, similar to the original, now alone persistently manifests itself). The doses in that case must then be reduced still further and repeated in longer intervals and possibly stopped several days, in order to see if the convalescence need no further medicinal aid. The apparent symptoms (Schein-Symptome) caused by the excess of the homeopathic medicine will soon disappear and leave undisturbed health in its wake. If only a small vial say a dram of dilute alcohol is used in the treatment, in which is contained and dissolved through succussion one globule of the medicine which is to be used by olfaction every two, three or four days, this also must be thoroughly succussed eight to ten times before each olfaction.

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Pasted here for reference of doubting thomases.
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
Thanks murthy. I hope you weren't offended by me seeking a second opinion. Ive just had this for so long and consulted homeopaths and had such difficulty in getting cured. And its such an awful condition. I really do appreciate your knowledge and effort. I will follow your advice and come back to you in a week.
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
As Dr.K. suggested, you must stop using topical creams. Give proper homeopathy a try.

Many people including prescribers don't know much about split doses. Many hesitate to use them.

But, those who use them know that they work very effectively.

Take with confidence. Hopefully, you should get better results.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
BertieBeetle,

Mr. Murthy is one of the most diligent prescribers on this forum. He tries to follow the original principles of Homeopathy at his best. He can be more reliable than many other qualified but indiscriminately prescribing homeopaths.

What I observed when I read this thread was that the favorable actions of the Thuja were being interfere by use of creams etc by you. Hence was my suggestion.

A prescription may be useful or not which depends on many factors that are not within the capacity of a prescriber. But you should learn to realize if the prescriber is honest and diligent or not. That's more important.

So, please follow his advises and just avoid treating symptomatically yourself.
 
DrKulkarni 7 years ago
Hi murthy i followed your instructions. It worked really well at first and held for two days then i would take another dose. A week later and it is holding for a day or less. What do you think i should do now - a different potency or follow up with a different remedy or make a new batch of the same? I read that nat sulph follows thuja well. I had good results with nat sulph a while back for this condition ut i dont think i gave it a good enough try. Thank you
[message edited by BertieBeetle on Mon, 07 Nov 2016 05:00:22 UTC]
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
I am now going much better. I was having the odd glass of wine before. I have discovered that any wine brings on the problem. Thuja seems to be holding now. I have been taking a teaspoon of the liquid if i get the itch. Okay for a few days now. How long will that liquid i have made up be effective? If i need to, will it be safe to go on taking it if the itch returns? Thank you so much.
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
The liquid will be effective forever, as long as you are succussing ( shaking and hitting) it, before taking a dose.

You can take it whenever the itch returns. No problem.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
Hello. Would it be a good idea to put a bit of alcohol in the mix to act as a preservant? I am progressing but still need a dose every few days. And if I run out and make up a new batch, will that still be as effective?

Thanks kindly
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
Yes. You can add about 30 ml. of good quality alcohol to the 500 ml. bottle.

Let me know when you are left with about 30 ml. in the bottle.
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago
Hi Murthy
I have added some gin. I don't feel that the mixture is effective. I dont' like its smell either. I think it got a bit old before I added the alcohol. Can I start again? Thank you
 
BertieBeetle 7 years ago
You can redo it. No problem.
 
gavinimurthy 7 years ago

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