HELP 9 days stomach bug in small kids

Thanks John STanton:

I only have this in a 200c and it would take me probably 4 days to order in the 30c where I live. Is there any way to utilize the 200c instead for today?

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as for son---iether ars or verat-a----activeness still?

JOhn: I did not understand this sentence... arsenicum or verat a but then activeness still??? Could you clarify?

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Also everytime ds or I eat or drink today, our tummies noticeably hurt.

thank you

wendy

John -

ok, Monday afternoon all 3 of us 1 dose from 200c in 20 tblsp of water,shaken first.

me- stomach feels great.

ds -4.5 yrs, has not barfed in 2.5 days! says stomach pain all gone, but then says it returns a little bit, decresed appetite, no thirst, need to give him water. can't decide what he wants,whiney, angry, happy, lots of energy still, wants to be outside with his dad.

dd -17 months, she is the one I'm worried about. muscle loss in tops of legs and arms?? Her armsjust feel smaller and the skin on her legs when I hold her on my hip pucker. She partially threw up yesterday but I think because of gagging at end of cough, not like before. Ate LOTS yesterday- she therefore she has not thrown up in a day and a half almost, gave her little bits of almond butter, coconut butter, broth, potatoes, cashew/avacodo 'pudding',plus she is nursing lots but her latch and my milk supply is questionable. Her urine SMELLS exactly like a barn, it is HORRIBLE. In fact I pulled the diapers out of the dryer today and will have to rewash them because I can still smell it. Her poops are horrible too. undigested food in some , but then one was brown fairly well formed-abit mushy but had mucous in it. All are varying degrees of pudrid. She has no thirst for water, I am giving it in syringe or eyedropper. slight dark circles under eyes today but could have been the carob powder in the cashew pudding. mood is amazing at night and different times throughout the day-she toddles around playing, laughing, interacting with us and the dogs- but her cough was worse last night. She had fallen asleep on my lap so I took her to bed about 10pm, I no sooner put her down and she launched into a coughing fit. I didn't want her to throw up anymore so I gave her drosera 30c and she did not cough at all during the night - until she got up this morning around 9am. The cough is intermittent throughout the day but hard to get a handle on it since we also dealt with a 6-8 week bronchial cough before all of this. She has sensitivities for cat, dog, house dust, dustmites (we have all of theabove) but we ripped up our carpets 3 wks ago and the cough did improve, however you also were helping up with remedies at same time.

Today NO APPETITE, she hardly ate anything!!!!!! and her breath now is FOUL- it smells like barf-sour. She is burping after she nursing. She was really wanting to be carried alot,needing attention from ME ONLY, got really angry if anything was taken from her-pulling on my shirt and shaking me (notlike her). Her left eye looks red today like an infection of some sort (she had a bad infection in this eye at 3 months of age that we quickly treated with pulsitilla 200c , colloidal silver and calendula eye drops), I put breastmilk in it today frequently- it has not progressed and is looking better. She seems to fall, stumble alot and is not very agile. I worry about calcium issues- we do not drink milk and she doesn't appear to tolerate sesame seeds. She is sensitive to so many foods. (dairy, soy,corn, yeast, vanilla, melon, citrus, tomato, some nuts) I'm not sure if this is typical for girls her age as we don't chum with any. My son at this age and earlier was a monkey/gazelle so when I compare the two I can't help but think something is wrong. She walked at 11months (he at 10 months).

She cannot seem to tolerate udos(cries etc)- so I am trying Susu dairyfree one today 2x- maybe connected to sour burping?

She went for a nap today, but awoke after 1 hr- I had to leave for 2 hrs so she fell asleep on dh for another hour after that. She was in a horrible mood after she woke up,one cheek was so noticeably red, she was clingy, angry, whiney, so I gave chamomile 30c and she changed instantly and was in a great mood for remainder of day. I wonder if she is teething???

Also at bedtime she won't let me rub her back or put my arm around her or allow covers. HOWEVER she then tries to fall asleep on me. She fusses and tossesand turns on me for ever getting frustrated, can't get comfy. Sometimes I end up rolling over and trying to back up to her but then she tries to lay on my head or my side and then she gets upset that I am not facing her even though she doesn't want any affection from me. Always wakes up in the morning in a great mood! Lately since we have resumed night nursing thru this vomitting (when she coughs in the night the nursing stops the cough and therefore the gagging/retching if I didn't) she has been waking a few times. Prior to this we had night weaned and she would only wake once or twice for a few seconds then go back to sleep.

I hope I haven't forgottenanything.

wendy

thanks so much.

john. arggghhhh. update.

1:30 am ds 4.5 yrs JUST BARFED again! It's been almost 3 days.

My apologies for not fully reading your instructions. Did food restrictions, but forgot about no colloidal silver and had used it broken up into 4 doses for the sunday, monday but only once today.

Strong smell-smells like yeast from bread (see note below)-violent from sleep,everywhere, crying, freaking out, difficult to console while cleaning him up. Said his stomach REALLY HURT. Gave him 1 dose verat a from water - sorry, I had not read your message yet about nux, not sure what to give him now.

my apologies- turns out dh had taken him for roastbeef sandwhich today (while Iwas out) at a local fast food restaurant!!!! We've only ever eaten food like that once or twice in ds's life!! ARGHHHH. AND it has wheat/gluten and yeast in it which he's sensitive too. I cannot believe he did that. I want to hit him over head with frying pan.

of interesting note, one dog threw up today too- violent after he ate. barfed all food back up. only a little inside, then I got him out- yellow, slimy. Cleaned up and soaked wooden floor with peroxide- it all went white and foamed.

ok 20 min after giving him veratr a he vomitted a 2nd time- brown, no chunks, forceful. Stomach still sore but not intense like before. hehad a bit of room temp water.

4.5 yr old also mentioned tome that maybe the dogs got the 'bug' from drinking from the pond today where they were pulling logs from. 2 days before this all started they were all there too. hmmm.

note: not that it matters but 3 yrs ago we all came down with a violent bug, dh, then ds, then the cat, then the dog, then me for a week. I remember wondering if it was 'beaver fever' from the ponds......

thanks so much.

wendy

john

ds4.5 yrs ended up vomitting and simultaneous diareah for 3 hrs - this is completely different then what we'vebeen dealing with the last 9 days. His dad started out with something like this 2 weeks ago though for 24-48 hrs of violent vomitting and diareah.

i tried arsenicum, no improvement. i wanted to give it time to see if the remedy would work but... after an hour

he said he was cold. did not want the elastic in his hair, did not want the warm water bottle. he couldn't even keep the water down and wasvomitting/diahreah every 20 min, then because he had nothing left in his stomach and was vomitting lots ofmucous and retching - poor little guy! (he kept saying 'i can't do this, i can't handle this, i hate this' i gave him ipec. 200 c. all he kept saying was how sore his stomach was and it would get worse just before he was going to vomit. so i gave him colycynthisis 30c and in 5 minutes he said the pain was going away and he drifted off to sleep. for how long i do not know.

i am praying my dd does not get this. sigh. every spring its always something. why can't i have chubby kids so i don't have to worry about weight loss.sigh.

wendy

8am dd awoke in great mood (although was upin the night happy playing as ds woke her)

profuse explosive brown diareah everywhere for under 10 min - she not upset, interested in it - pointing that it needed cleaning up. it's now 9am, nothing since. happy, playing, nursing.

ds, white, eyes sunken, wanted luke warm sips of water (not cold). no diareah, no vomitting. weak but came upstairs onhis own and fixed couch so he could watch tv! ;-) he's excited about that.

dog has not thrown up, neither has other dog or cat.

going to ND'S ASAP this morning. dd

John: first off I want to thank you for all your help on our case. It all got a lkittle overwhelming, it dragged on quite some time and then went back to the eveyr 2-3 days.

We were all well enough and then went away to an unschooling conference one weekend.

Neither child coughed, gagged, or even wheezed while we were gone- despite some restaurant food and swimming in a chlorine pool! My 18 month old dd chronic cough - gone. We arrived back home on the sunday - 4am my 4.5 yr old son starts partially barfing and my dd starts coughing again. Welcome to dust, dogs and cats. sigh.

THEN we just got a cold, them and I. I only have a sore throat and am managing it. They have rapid dry short burst coughs all last night. Worse downstairs in bed, 8pm and 1-3am. I'm not too worried about this cold atthis point, I figure they will work their way thru it.

John - The reason I am writing is SOMETHING has shifted in my son and I am wondering if he is proving a remedy. He has proved Med 1m in the past severely that the homeopath antidoted so I recognize this rapid shift to a jekyl/hide child.

He normally is a really easy going kid. He's smart, he's our buddy and goes everywhere with myself or his dad. He does not go to school, we live on 100 acres etc. He is veyr articulate and enjoys people. He's a really fun kid, who listens well (for lack of a better explanation) and is gentle with his 18 month old sister and loves being outdoors. He was at his sisters birth and I rememer him even holding her hand when she would cry in the car. He had a tough time when she started walking at 10 months as she was into his stuff, but he has an area that he can be in if he chooses- but even when I set that up- he still just wants to be with us ;-)

OK so since this whole 3 weeks of vomitting and diareah all of a sudden I have THE most difficult child in the world on my hands. I am at a loss, I do not know what to do or how to parent him- this just isn't our child. Sure, people could say hes just being 4 or whatever but THIS IS WAY OUT OF PROPORATION FOR THIS KID!!!!

I used to tell him once not to do something and he was cool withthat. NOw I find myself repeating it 3x and removing said toy etc. He is FREAKING OUT, melting down, he's ANGRY ALOT. He doesn't like all the foods he used to- especially apples- won't touch them at all anymore! bizarre. Says he's hungry all the time but then only wants sweet things like celery boats because they have honey on them or syruup, or asking for jam on taost (we don't eat either), everything I offer him he yells and complains loudly and over and over and over at me he doesn't want them and sulks, runs around the house crazily but ROUGHLY (he's always been very active, climber but not a rough kid-very sensitive), he's shoving his sister down and LAUGHING while he's doing it. Plowing into the dog and laughing, banging into me or his dad. Constantly says I'M BORED!!! (he's never done this before) He's picking on the cat. Yelling at the dogs. Continuing to do EVERYTHING after we tell him to stop THEN laughing. But when he is spoken to about it he freaks like its a big surprise we are angry. If someone gets hurt, he laughs. He's back talking and saucing and not listening to anything, its like he's not even here. His eyes almost have a defiant glassy stare to them when he looks at me and I want to say where is my loveable helpful easy going people loving child? I know this sounds funny but he's just never done any of this before and its happening overnight just like with the Med except this time he's not picking the wings off flies. I remember at the time saying to the homeopath - what the hell did you do to my kid??? For a week I kept mentioning it and she didnt take me seriously until I finally said LOOK I'M WORRIED this is NOT my kid- this is what is happening and I listed all the things- she said yikes, he's proving the remedy!

We've eaten at restaurants 4 times in the last 2 weeks (typically that would be 4 in one YEAR for us), he has peed the bed on each of those 4 nights- this never happens either. He was Ec'd and out of diapers by 20 months. We have believed there is a connection with dairy and peeing the bed but it could be other additives?? He's talking in his sleep, as always he's afraid of the dark and doesn't like to be by himself. Constantly telling either his dad or me that he wants us or wants more attention, wants to be carried. WOW, I am a stay at home mom and my husband works casually from the basement, he gets ALOT of our time!!!

He's been telling me about all the things that hurt, says the back of his head hurt today, his side where there is a bruise hurts, his broken nail hurts, hes been falling and hurting himself- stubbing his toes alot. Typically he's a gazelle and can scale a plank leaning up the wall in seconds. He's very sure footed. Sometimes he asks me lately if I like hot? then he says he likes cold... or vice versa depending on theday. Says he hates the rain and yet will stand in it helping his dads workers bring in boxes off the loading dock. He got stung last year by 2 bees and they were both traumatic for him- now that the nice weather is here he's afraid to be outside where he normally spends so much time in the sandbox- because he says the bees will sting him.... and yet he will go down to our 2 hives with his dad and stand 1 foot from the hives voluntarily!!!!!

My husband and I arent dealing with this very well. It's been a rough last month and this new behaviour has our patience stretched and we find ourselves yelling or looking at each other like what the hell do we do???

Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.

** I'm also remembering that he had a hard time with phosphorous 200c a few years back too. He had the same kind of crazy behaviour but he would run in circles all crazy like first clock wise then counter clockwise..... hmmmm he's kind of doing that now..... ?????

We had tried several combo remedies from the ND before working with you. Then he has also been put back on a liquid multi, EFA & dha - which if I recall I took him off of before because it affected him- I have read the B vitamins can bring on behavioral issues??

Also his testing indicated gluten, dairy, shellfish, pork, citrus sensitivities as well as house dust and molds etc.

I see how many people that you are helping by reading your posts- so if you have the time to explore this I would be most greatful.

thanks

Wendy