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After coition amel.
The rubric "after coition amel" lists only 3 remedies (con, merc and staph.).How unusual is it to have this modality?
For instance when one is very tired but feels better after coition, this would be more unusual for men than for women right?
Because men usually get tired after coition and women not...
Your views please!
Thanks!
kayhello on 2006-04-24
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add natrum muriaticum to that list..
♡ John Stanton last decade
how about sepia?
kayhello last decade
also tarentula has amelioration with coition---
no not sepia---
in fact nat-m and sepia run close --coition is one of those that effet emotion worse after coition---nat-m deviates a bit----
but --your on right line with sepia--for case your thinking--iwas thinking same -til removed myself from case--the guide was the frame of mind presented..usualy i say 1m sepia when such occur---but if sensitivity to remedies exist---may ned use ignatia -puls-chin...first depending which fits case--this will setle over sensitivity to remedies ....i would say puls in this case---but if use LM only 1 dose---LM are so subtle thatmay implant characteristics when wrong remedy used...try water dose 30c use 50 table spons water with 1 pelet--taspoon dose...
no not sepia---
in fact nat-m and sepia run close --coition is one of those that effet emotion worse after coition---nat-m deviates a bit----
but --your on right line with sepia--for case your thinking--iwas thinking same -til removed myself from case--the guide was the frame of mind presented..usualy i say 1m sepia when such occur---but if sensitivity to remedies exist---may ned use ignatia -puls-chin...first depending which fits case--this will setle over sensitivity to remedies ....i would say puls in this case---but if use LM only 1 dose---LM are so subtle thatmay implant characteristics when wrong remedy used...try water dose 30c use 50 table spons water with 1 pelet--taspoon dose...
♡ John Stanton last decade
this is from hering's writings...nat-m --""after coition--feels easy and light hearted at first;later ill humored""
♡ John Stanton last decade
I understand what you mean with LM implanting characteristics, really i do...
And what if sepia was already taken in past?(200c) just assume carc has opened the case and try again with sepia? Strange suggestion: how about phos-ac to settle oversensitivity? rubric: "when too much medicine has produced irritability" also took ph-ac recently and feels less oversensitive...did nothing more for the case than take away feeling of oversensitivity(only amel weakness and indifference shortly). Whether it is only feeling or whether oversensitivity is really gone...don't know of course...
And thought sepia had thing with coition on account of getting orgasm, which brings motion in sepia...just like the dancing...
The amel after coition is not so much "feeling easy and lighthearted" you describe of nat-m, that sounds more like emotional effect. The amel is more physical, suddenly there's energy....no real emotional effect....
Tarentula has something with music and dancing too(also present in this case), but restlessness is not present in this case. Coition amel of tarent. on account of rythmic movement?
How could i have known about tarent and nat-m when they were not in this rubric? Any rubrics that run closely or just question of materia medica knowledge?
And what if sepia was already taken in past?(200c) just assume carc has opened the case and try again with sepia? Strange suggestion: how about phos-ac to settle oversensitivity? rubric: "when too much medicine has produced irritability" also took ph-ac recently and feels less oversensitive...did nothing more for the case than take away feeling of oversensitivity(only amel weakness and indifference shortly). Whether it is only feeling or whether oversensitivity is really gone...don't know of course...
And thought sepia had thing with coition on account of getting orgasm, which brings motion in sepia...just like the dancing...
The amel after coition is not so much "feeling easy and lighthearted" you describe of nat-m, that sounds more like emotional effect. The amel is more physical, suddenly there's energy....no real emotional effect....
Tarentula has something with music and dancing too(also present in this case), but restlessness is not present in this case. Coition amel of tarent. on account of rythmic movement?
How could i have known about tarent and nat-m when they were not in this rubric? Any rubrics that run closely or just question of materia medica knowledge?
kayhello last decade
need dig through old masters different reps ---dont trust new ones--seem to add a remedy on a whim..
what are you referring to with the orgasm thing and sepia?
what are you referring to with the orgasm thing and sepia?
♡ John Stanton last decade
Sepia tries to lift the stagnation/stasis, through dancing, (violent)exertion and orgasm can also lift stagnation/stasis.In first stage of sepia is able to revitalise this way. Later she becomes too tired too lift the stasis...Needs excitement;likes thunderstorms...everything that can stimulate and get her out of the stasis...
kayhello last decade
energy after coition--well depends if female or male --firstly--and after to remember in old days--coition referred sexual with orgasm---need to elicit this whe takng case---some feel good but no orgasm..some feel better having sex and abstaining ..
as for "lighthearted" dont assume it means just one thingor another...old days meanings of termiology is what is needed to understand--not guess...
as for "lighthearted" dont assume it means just one thingor another...old days meanings of termiology is what is needed to understand--not guess...
♡ John Stanton last decade
man ! that is too out there......well may be able write your own book --sounds of vitoulkas and sankaran--i'll stick to what the boos say--hard enough without creating fantastic images...hey if it works for you---keep on truck'in
♡ John Stanton last decade
Always a problem trying to understand what certain old words or expressions mean and indeed were written in different circumstances and with different basic assumption(s).
But was also "translating" (i know: danger Will Robinson!) the key to sepia and also i remember learning it in school about the orgasms and it sounds logical to me... (Suddenly lots of mat med knowledge is coming back to me..) And i know you have to always get the symptoms straight, keep asking untill you know precisely what the circumstances are and what it is exactly that makes it better or worse.
Have to say that in this case i don't know exactly what gives the amelioration, it just struck me as important that it is most likely the only thing that gives amelioration in the fatigue. The only problem is that in sepia there is an aversion to sex... Don't remember how they explained THAT in school..
But was also "translating" (i know: danger Will Robinson!) the key to sepia and also i remember learning it in school about the orgasms and it sounds logical to me... (Suddenly lots of mat med knowledge is coming back to me..) And i know you have to always get the symptoms straight, keep asking untill you know precisely what the circumstances are and what it is exactly that makes it better or worse.
Have to say that in this case i don't know exactly what gives the amelioration, it just struck me as important that it is most likely the only thing that gives amelioration in the fatigue. The only problem is that in sepia there is an aversion to sex... Don't remember how they explained THAT in school..
kayhello last decade
Haha my own book..NO THANK YOU! haha If i'm gonna write a book it's gonna be absurdistic fairytales, more my cup of tea.
As soon as my case is solved, don't want anything to do with homeopathy after that...it makes me go CRAZY.. aahhhhhhhhhh (yeah yeah i know: stick to Boger Boenninghausen etc, and i have read mat med of them now...)
As soon as my case is solved, don't want anything to do with homeopathy after that...it makes me go CRAZY.. aahhhhhhhhhh (yeah yeah i know: stick to Boger Boenninghausen etc, and i have read mat med of them now...)
kayhello last decade
ok back on track...looking for remedy that has ''energized feeling after coition"?
so the fatigue is better after coition? what cativities (besides sex) is his person able to do that couldn't do before the orgasm?
how much of sex/orgasm drive do they have?daily/hourly/...etc?
so the fatigue is better after coition? what cativities (besides sex) is his person able to do that couldn't do before the orgasm?
how much of sex/orgasm drive do they have?daily/hourly/...etc?
♡ John Stanton last decade
There isn't really very 'active' sexdrive, it is more 'passive' sexdrive: aroused when touched by/close to boyfriend. So i would say 2x a week. In past has masturbated, just to get energy and i looked at the casehistory in previous repertorisation and saw that in past there was increased sexual desire, before boyfriend. And that was really increased, so that would be daily.
For instance when before orgasm she was too tired to clean out the dishwasher, afterwards she can. It's not like suddenly she can run marathons or anything haha.
I just found it striking that the only thing that can 'win' it from the fatigue are the hormones.
But again i wonder how strange this is in women...
One thing i do know there are a lot of female patients who don't have a sexdrive at all or are too tired for it...So those two thoughts sort of counterbalance eachother and i STILL don't know what to make of this symptom...
For instance when before orgasm she was too tired to clean out the dishwasher, afterwards she can. It's not like suddenly she can run marathons or anything haha.
I just found it striking that the only thing that can 'win' it from the fatigue are the hormones.
But again i wonder how strange this is in women...
One thing i do know there are a lot of female patients who don't have a sexdrive at all or are too tired for it...So those two thoughts sort of counterbalance eachother and i STILL don't know what to make of this symptom...
kayhello last decade
we're looking at pulsatila or platina---i lean in favor of platina---check it out---be careful with dosing--platina has an angry aspect---much depends on patients background---ok?
♡ John Stanton last decade
I know what you mean about platina, also the thing about the bodylanguage is something that is very platina. But was given recently in LM6:got aggravation which was not followed by amelioration...
What ('angle') gave you the idea for plat. or puls. ?
What ('angle') gave you the idea for plat. or puls. ?
kayhello last decade
Also plat. has agg after/ during intercourse...
kayhello last decade
well i've seen the sex thing with platina--but man --crap hit the fan after---anger aggravtion--cold calculated murder type-----but settled sex drive and balanced in the end--this was a female...what lead me there was pain in uterus after coition...combined--..
the like for touch--stands our for me--the response as mentioned ---this i think puls and phos...it depends on how premiscuous the female is ....and this may be phos...or evne platina---but paltina wouldnt have any remorse (not really) for cheating on partner..if this is case...depnds on patients rules for self---how justifies actions---
was masturbation as fulfilling as intercousre orgasm for patient?please explain
the like for touch--stands our for me--the response as mentioned ---this i think puls and phos...it depends on how premiscuous the female is ....and this may be phos...or evne platina---but paltina wouldnt have any remorse (not really) for cheating on partner..if this is case...depnds on patients rules for self---how justifies actions---
was masturbation as fulfilling as intercousre orgasm for patient?please explain
♡ John Stanton last decade
After taking plat. had cramping pain in abdomen during coition, so that was proving.Never had that before and plat has cramping pain and 'something'with coition, so that's why i concluded that.
And indeed the touching thing is very important. Former homeopath has had prescribed nat-p on account of nat-m tendencies and phos tendencies. But what i think is much against phos. is that person is not open but closes and/or becomes indifferent (although i've seen phos in the rubric 'indifferent'). Don't think this person is cheater, at least never has up till now. Too honest and too high standards (=if this isn't it than quit whole thing, not let simmer, so no need for cheating), the sex is not about the promiscuity, the sex is about the need for contact... Don't get me wrong, there have been friendships that included sex there have been only two real boyfriends. I know the high standard thing also pleads for plat. and she can be arrogant and is aware of her influence on men, but as i said, she took it and only aggravated.
So that leaves puls. and she can ask for attention like puls. does but i don't see the 'sheeplike' character of her...can you?
About the masturbation: there is no masturbation now has boyfriend. Als rather intercourse than masturbation, as i said it's about the connection...
It sounds to me like phos. but, closed and also nothing with profuse bleeding etc all phos modalities not present so....
The case is very confused and confusing i think.
Irritating the hell out of me.
What do you think?
And indeed the touching thing is very important. Former homeopath has had prescribed nat-p on account of nat-m tendencies and phos tendencies. But what i think is much against phos. is that person is not open but closes and/or becomes indifferent (although i've seen phos in the rubric 'indifferent'). Don't think this person is cheater, at least never has up till now. Too honest and too high standards (=if this isn't it than quit whole thing, not let simmer, so no need for cheating), the sex is not about the promiscuity, the sex is about the need for contact... Don't get me wrong, there have been friendships that included sex there have been only two real boyfriends. I know the high standard thing also pleads for plat. and she can be arrogant and is aware of her influence on men, but as i said, she took it and only aggravated.
So that leaves puls. and she can ask for attention like puls. does but i don't see the 'sheeplike' character of her...can you?
About the masturbation: there is no masturbation now has boyfriend. Als rather intercourse than masturbation, as i said it's about the connection...
It sounds to me like phos. but, closed and also nothing with profuse bleeding etc all phos modalities not present so....
The case is very confused and confusing i think.
Irritating the hell out of me.
What do you think?
kayhello last decade
kayhello last decade
i think we nee find a peculiar symptom-one we can count on as true---preferably non mentalor emotiona---some grouping of symptoms which occur --simultaneously..something to know thatno matter how many remeies in that rubric--that the one we seek is in it...
believe me puls isnt always sheep like--no freakin way---just go throuh each mind rubric and see how may --aggresive seemingly wsymptos puls has...not trying to sell you--just let you know about stereo type remeies--also phos can be open--very open...again i dont know yet what remedy---havent foun right symptom to dig intobut once i see it...
lots of timnes menses characteristics--help alot---check into modalitiess-- more important concomitants..
if she doesnt have an orgasm will she stil feel that energize thing?
believe me puls isnt always sheep like--no freakin way---just go throuh each mind rubric and see how may --aggresive seemingly wsymptos puls has...not trying to sell you--just let you know about stereo type remeies--also phos can be open--very open...again i dont know yet what remedy---havent foun right symptom to dig intobut once i see it...
lots of timnes menses characteristics--help alot---check into modalitiess-- more important concomitants..
if she doesnt have an orgasm will she stil feel that energize thing?
♡ John Stanton last decade
Yes without orgasm also energize thing.
And i agree on finding a peculiar reliable physical symptom and that is EXACTLY what this whole case lacks... I had the same idea, find a physical symptom, cause the patient is much too much aware of mental symptoms also they could be 'compromised' through therapy...
That's why i came with the coition symptom...
Also she has something with music, but that would be again a mind symptom. Can lose herself in music.When miserable can feel better by dancing and can 'absorb' the vibes/sound of the music through her fingertips... peculiar symptom but useless i'm afraid. It reminds me of tarent. who feels the colours... but of course it more strange to feel something you can only see, while music can be felt (bass, drums etc)
You know i think those two thing are very important in this case only i can't really place them.
The similarity between the two is, that she can lose herself in both the music and also in the sex. But the latter is not someting you can see on the outside: she doesn't act or dress promiscuous...it has nothing to do with that, sorry can't explain it any better...
And i agree on finding a peculiar reliable physical symptom and that is EXACTLY what this whole case lacks... I had the same idea, find a physical symptom, cause the patient is much too much aware of mental symptoms also they could be 'compromised' through therapy...
That's why i came with the coition symptom...
Also she has something with music, but that would be again a mind symptom. Can lose herself in music.When miserable can feel better by dancing and can 'absorb' the vibes/sound of the music through her fingertips... peculiar symptom but useless i'm afraid. It reminds me of tarent. who feels the colours... but of course it more strange to feel something you can only see, while music can be felt (bass, drums etc)
You know i think those two thing are very important in this case only i can't really place them.
The similarity between the two is, that she can lose herself in both the music and also in the sex. But the latter is not someting you can see on the outside: she doesn't act or dress promiscuous...it has nothing to do with that, sorry can't explain it any better...
kayhello last decade
so we have better for coition and the music thing..
how does the music affect her? is she swayed to emotions by the music?dancing?how she feel aboutdancing?dancing alne?
how does she feel or what symptoms experienced when alone? totally alone?
does he energized feeling after coition center in any phsical part of body?
how does the music affect her? is she swayed to emotions by the music?dancing?how she feel aboutdancing?dancing alne?
how does she feel or what symptoms experienced when alone? totally alone?
does he energized feeling after coition center in any phsical part of body?
♡ John Stanton last decade
Also emotional she had the nat-m thing: listening to sad music when she was depressed, but doesn't have that anymore not after taking the nat-m. Now she likes funky music or sometimes trance music, someting with definite beat and bass. She loves to dance alone. Has sensual dancing, really FEELS the music, doesn't dance like that in public when out alone because of what men might think of that. But doesn't mean it with any sexual meaning, just follows the music, sort of 'takes her over'
Likes being alone. Hermit like. Duality here, on one hand thrives on connection and interaction on other hand doesn't need anybody. Can be on her own TOO GOOD. She was on her own almost every day before boyfriend,only mother stopped by sometimesb and was fine with that. Liked it, didn't need boyfriend to be quite honest. Although she really fell in love with him.
No specific locality in energized feeling. Just general feeling.
Likes being alone. Hermit like. Duality here, on one hand thrives on connection and interaction on other hand doesn't need anybody. Can be on her own TOO GOOD. She was on her own almost every day before boyfriend,only mother stopped by sometimesb and was fine with that. Liked it, didn't need boyfriend to be quite honest. Although she really fell in love with him.
No specific locality in energized feeling. Just general feeling.
kayhello last decade
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