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FIP and end-of-life

I have been researching FIP because it has come to my home via kittens. This is a terrible ordeal at the end. I am feeding these kittens raw eggs and chicken livers but those that are in the end stage are barely eating. I know that euthanasia is my only option at this point. However, the last one to be euthanized was in great pain as the vet killed him and I would like to have my kittens avoid this horror. Is there any substance I can give them to help them threw the end stage of this terrible disease?
 
  babsonline on 2006-09-28
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
You could use Opium 10M
 
walkin last decade
Follow the link below for some info.

A short excerpt from this article...

In my desperation, I began searching for alternative treatments, anything to help him. I came across a web site in Australia where a holistic vet was having some success treating FIP infected cats with mega-doses of Vitamin C and raw meat. Her treatments were based on her belief was that many feline diseases are actually massive vitamin/protein deficiencies resulting from low quality cooked cat foods. Wild cats are the apex of the animal kingdom's food chain.
http://www.wildkittycatfood.com/inspiration.htm

Feline infectious peritonitis, on this site.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/14889/

One thing to note is that 'Namaste27' recommends using Vitamin Ester-C.
This should NOT be done as the 'Ester' is a 'dead' highly processed type of vitamin C, which is easily absorbable by the body, but carries NO benefit for the body.
Only ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate must be used, and then ONLY the 'L-' type and NOT the 'D-' type. Calcium ascorbate must NEVER be used either.

God Bless,
Tim
 
TimCam last decade
Thank you for your help. Time is not on my side with 2 kittens and so I have to help them tomorrow or they will suffer. I was not able to find a supplier for other items recommended -- I have no idea why sites that sell these substances to not answer my inquiry. Anyway, I will try the ascorbic acid L type ASAP with the others.
 
babsonline last decade
I wanted to clarify that the pain suffered by my first kitten was caused by the vet not being able to find a vein-- too emaciated (spelling?)-- the second kitten was screaming for the same reason. I have had to euthanize cats over my lifetime;the procedure used was to have the animal go to sleep peacefully.I have noted that vets today seem to have another approach which is far more costly no matter who the vet is. Perhaps this is only the case in NJ.
 
babsonline last decade
Erm, have you not thought about applying actual FIP in potency to cure the condition and thus prevent death from actually occurring? I'm sure one of the pharmacies must carry it, try Helios.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
I have no idea what you are referencing. FIP is not a medication.
 
babsonline last decade
This link may be of some use to you:
http://jsey905.9cy.com/fip.html

Also there is a homeopathic FIP nosode commonly available in 30c. It should be administered if a cat is doubted to have FIP. Dosage will be like giving 2 doses daily for 3 days, then weekly once for a month and then monthly once for 6 months. Along with this remedy baptisia could be administered in suffering cats.

Apart from Echinacea mother tincture, another medicine that helps to maintain good immune system in cats is:
Baptisia 30x or 30c. Dose 3-4 times daily for a few days, lowering the dose or ceasing altogether if there is distinct improvement and repeating as necessary.

Give this remedy when not too many remedies are already being given ! However, a combination with 1-2 other remedies is possible. Think of antidoting/inimical remedies. Always check first !

For symptomatic treatment of FIP VETS will consider Tuberculinum Bovinum (with accomp. lung problems Tub. aviaire !), Lycopodium, Cantharis, Apis mell., Acetic.acid. Blatta amer.,Helleborus and Senecio.


other tips:

***Fluid replacement therapy for dehydration is essential and should be carried out by a professional.



It is possible to avoid FIP transmission by keeping the cats caged and practicing careful sanitation, like using paper towels instead of wash rags and throwing them out between cats, washing hands between cleaning each cage, no sharing of food bowls, etc.


Hope that helps.
 
maheeru last decade
^THAT^, is what I was referring to, the nosode of the disease, a remedy made from the actual 'causative' pathogen. Aside from prophylaxis, these disease products can also be curative where the disease id present, I have seen this many times.
 
Hahnemania last decade
1. The animals were kept and are being kept exceptionally clean - isolation, boxes changed daily, raw foods being given, no vaccinations at all, 2 mothers with them at all times and lots of love and care. 2 premies were not isolated and kept with them (hand raised by me and put into the group when able to nurse)-- they both were happy, healthy and clean with no vaccinations. They did go to see the vet and soon thereafter got swollen abdomens and became depressed, emaciated and one died with kidney failure. I had the other euthanized. Yesterday another kitten died. Today another will be euthanized before she drowns in her own fluids. Water is one of the issues -- they drown. FIP vaccines do not work. They appear to bring on death sooner. This is Corona Virus -- similar to SARS in humans. I have both the dry form and the wet form here. If a kitten stops growing or stops eating and becomes depressed it appears that they are within a week of dying. I have 2 kittens that are beginning to show signs of the dry form and are becoming inactive. The litter that I found that I call the Maine Coon Cat litter seem to be o.k. It is the litter from my own cat that got out and came back pregnant that is dying, as did the foundlings. As to the mother's condition, she seems fine and is negative for everything although the vet does not test for FIP-- too many false positives and no way to do anything about it so we treat the symptoms. I had cat with Leukemia years ago and they tapped his lungs to give him a chance for remission. He was given vitamin C and E and lived almost another year. I will ask my vet if he can remove fluid from Ru, the kitten that is in danger of drowning in her fluids. It looks like liver failure to me, having watched my mom die young of this disease. However, I believe it is also kidney failure (smell of urea) so I am not sure if it is a major organ shut-down or a liver condition at this point. I cannot find much about the physiology of FIP on the internet. My mom took massive vitamin therapy and bed rest but died. But she did have fluid removed during that period. I wish I knew more about FIP and its attack on the body I only know that there is no way to vaccinate against it and that it attacks animals with a weakened immune system. The SPCA seems to think it will take over the SPCA if they bring any animal into their clinic with FIP to euthanize. Reminds me of the early years of HIV. With this kind of fear and ignorance about this illness-- and the lack of info -- I am out here trying to take care of animals with little money and a huge financial burden and no hope to get them better. So I am trying to get info from reliable sources as to how to strengthen their immune systems hoping to give them a small chance of survival. Thanks for your help and suggestions. Thanks for reading this lengthy report on what has happened.
 
babsonline last decade
If your cat has renal failure due to FIP, consider dialysis. See below.
http://www.felinecrf.org/dialysis.htm

Peritoneal Dialysis is less expensive. If you go this route ask the vet to give your cat an IV of sodium ascorbate too. (1200mg Vitamin C per Kg mass of cat)
I.e. If the cat weighs 1.4 Kg infuse (1200 x 1.4 = 1680 mg Vitamin C).
With oral supplementation of Vitamin C only +-16% is absorbed, but with IV delivery 98 - 100% is available to assist the immune system, and to KILL most viral loads.

God Bless,
Tim
 
TimCam last decade
Thank you all. Please note that there have been attempts to administer an FIP vaccine as I understand it. I have relied on my vet in this matter and he reports that the vaccines have not been effective. My own reading on the Internet seems to indicate that the vaccine expedites the illness but I may not be reporting this accurately since I am a lay person and these are very technical articles by researchers.

Ru goes to the vet this a.m. and I will be asking him for alternatives to Euthanasia.However, although she is eating now, more alert and interested in her surroundings since I have changed her diet,her eyes are suken and her body is filled with liquid. She is drinking and I will ask him about dehydration and the vitamin C. Thank you.
 
babsonline last decade
Babs, this is so sad!

One of Don Hamilton's suggestion at the time of euthansia is the animal's apparent constitutional. Sometimes it just helps them let go. Not sure you could tell for a kitten, but something to keep in mind. He suggests some other remedies as well.

There is a good pet homeopathy forum you might want to join:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClassicalHomeopathyPets...

You may not be able to get on board in time for this crisis, but maybe it will help you in the future.

Babs, if you do not have Hamilton's book, contact me (daisyfoxworth) via yahoo and I'll send you more info on his approach to euthansia.
 
Daisy43 last decade
Coughnosodecough.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Babsonline

Did you mistook the homeopathic FIP nosode for FIP vaccine? Both are different. what I ve referred to in my earlier post is homeopathic nosode FIP in potency 30 and not vaccine.

You can try Echinacea mother tincture and Baptisia 30 in alternative of euthanasia.
 
maheeru last decade
You are all very kind. Ru was not euthanized yesterday because my vet realized I had many questions. He was not enthusiastic about the Vitamin C. But, because he is wise, he gave me his file on Feline Infectious Peritonitis (FIP) for my use. I now understand better why the animals do not survive and of course, if possible(monetarily and a source available in the U.S.A.) I will try to obtain the only hopeful treatment, Interferon. It is not available here. I made many wrong assumptions but I did do some things right. I can start some helpful vitamin therapies and perhaps some of my other kittens will benefitfromthis FCoV infection.

For excellent info from University of Glasgow where the research seems to be centered on Coronavirus and kittens,go to Dr.Addie's site: catvirus.com.

Best,
Babs
 
babsonline last decade
I think we're wasting our time maheeru ;)
 
Hahnemania last decade
Thanks to you those that are kind and showed interest. I am indeed sorry I wasted your time. I will remove myself from this site and remember that indeed homopath or physician does not equal a kind heart.
 
babsonline last decade
Dear Babs, you seem to have taken things rather personally. Both myself and Maheeru have twice recommended you administer the nosode of this disease, both to those suffering, where it may be curative, and to those in contact, where it may prevent the disease taking hold, which would be the logical approach, but you have not done this, hence my comment above.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
HELP! My 5 month old kitten has been diagnosed with FIP. I would like to use the nosode to help her but I can't find any place that sells it. Maybe I'm just searching for the wrong thing. Can someone please let me know where to get this? I would prefer a place in the USA as that's where I am and time is important. Thanks!
 
isis11 last decade
http://www.helios.co.uk/
Helios will most likely carry it. They are 4 to 5 days from UK to USA. They are 5 hours ahead of you (assuming your on Eastern Standard time) so order early in the morning. Worst case scenario you order it in the morning and find it somewhere else in a couple of days. Id rather have two bottles of it than none at all. Costs $6 plus about $3 for shipping.

Good luck to your kitten!!!
 
Ryelink last decade
Maheeru suggested that you should get a 30C of the FIP Nosode.
 
Ryelink last decade
I think many times veterinarians use the diagnosis of 'fip' when they can not confirm a true diagnosis. There are several criteria that need to be met for proper diag. The name actually comes from the symptoms, not what causes it. It is a mutation of the corona virus in cats. Some cat's immune systems allow it to mutate and become fip. Others do not. A fip titer test is not of value in determination as it only gives a response to corona virus, and therefore can not determine if the cat will go further on to the mutated stated and hence illness. The Univ. in Glasgow does have the most up to date information. Or you can go to search for Dr. Susan Little's web or the Cat Fanciers Assoc. web. as we can not post them directly here.
 
moonsta last decade
I think my precious little Miami (1 1/2 years old) may have FIP. He is lethargic and sleeping constantly, and losing weight (down from 10 pounds to 8 pounds). His liver enzymes and total blood protein are elevated, he is slightly anemic, and he has started eating his cat litter. His hind end seems a bit unsteady, and his fur does not look healthy. He did test positive at a low leve for Feline Coronavirus.

The vet has been no help whatsoever. She says there's nothing I can do.

Can anyone help me find the FIP nosode (not available on Helios), or let me know what homeopathic treatments you recommend?
 
simkusra last decade
Did you call Helios or just check their site? Ive got stuf from them that was not listed.
Also try Ainsworth in the UK.
 
Ryelink last decade
I just looked online at Helios. I'll try calling them--thanks! Can anyone tell me whether the FIP Nosode is definitely a good thing to give him? If he somehow doesn't have FIP, it won't hurt him, since it's also used as a preventative, right?

I started him last night on Echinacea, Goldenseal, and Astragalus (for immune system boost), and Milk Thistle (for his liver). Wasn't sure how much to give him of the tinctures, so I'm trying 5 drops of each 3x day. Human dose is 28-58 drops. Any suggestions for dosage? Ordered immune boost supplements made specifically for pets as well, but won't get them for another 5 days.

I also gave him 500mg of Vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) along with a cat multi-vitamin. I'll get Vitamin A and E for him today. Tried to give him cooked blended liver last night to boost his iron, but he wouldn't eat it.

Any other suggestions for how to boost iron in cats? Also boost appetite? Would Yarrow work?
 
simkusra last decade

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