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Mr Varma, Mr Livera...

Dear Mr Varma, Mr Livera.

At the request of Simon, the moderator here, I have started a new thread to address your posts below. As I have mentioned before, such blatant personal diatribe does not really interest me, but obviously where such comments have no actual basis in the truth, they need to be properley addressed.
 
  Hahnemania on 2006-10-06
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Firstly, Mr Varma:

Re: Is this Homeopathy and Forum !! From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-06

'Jacob Scott,
Ever since you have come here on ABC...you are saying 'I am a Classical Homeopath' ...and I can do this and I can do that. But how many things about homeoapthy have you clarified here ever since you ventured on 'this soil' ?? '
Mr Varma, again, you seem to have missed a great deal. If you read almost ANY of the 199 posts I have made since I arrived here, almost all of them contain comments 'clarifying things about Homoeopathy'. In fact the majority of them go into the greatest detail to do just that. I would again recommend you actually READ before approaching me with such unsubstantiated comments, because it is certainly not me who is made to look a fool by your doing so.

'Many come here and vanish after doing self praise and no more. (Yo uahv done quite a bit of it already for your self).'
Heh, really... I have no need of self praise Mr Varma, I have a succesful practice in real life, as well as a small one online. I have my own website and forums, and by the end of the year, I will have my first work published. As a Homoeopath, and from my patients and well selected peers, I have all the respect and 'praise' I require. What is it exactly you think I have to gain from being here, except of course passing on knowledge about classical Homoeopathy to other members? which as I have stated, is ONE of the main reasons I am here. What is it YOU do again? Maybe you should be questioning more YOUR motives for being here.

'We had Carlos from New York ...MD ..and seriously interested in homeoapthy. No where to be seen after one month of making posts here.'
I'm sorry I do not see the relevance?

'To be here you need to do self-less service...and very few have a long term commitment to it.'
Um, forgive me if I'm wrong, but this is not a pre-requisite for posting here? and as far as I am aware, you are not the moderator or part of the 'team' here, so you have no place to be telling other members what they should or should not be doing?

'If you have it in you...be assured ....the people here will applaud you all the way.'
As they are starting to already, again, maybe you should be reading the posts more carefully, rather than posting comments with no basis in reality?

'Murthy also left becoz he could not be of much benefit to people here.'
No no, Murthy left because he was eventually forced to throw up his hands in defeat (as I understand it), as many others have after trying to bring some actual essence of true Homoeopathy to the this forum. Rest assured however, III am going nowhere ;)

'Helping others thru ABC Forum ....requires sustained effort without payment.'
I do not need to be told of what is required of me to post here, because as stated previously, such things are not pre-requisite for doing so, and I can do pretty much what I like within the rules of the forum, as can anyone else. As for 'without payment', have you ever seen me ask for such? you have not, and in fact, yet again, had you actually been reading my posts, you would see I do not, and have NEVER charged for treatment online, and in fact, actually find the idea quite proposterous.

'Some also came here and tried to pass snide comments about the regular people here so that they could pull the help seekers int otheir paid practice. Didn't work.'
Again you are making many assumptions here, something of which you should be very careful. You should also not judge the motives of others based upon what is inside your own mind. I am not going to reiterate the above re:'paid practice', but I will AGAIN point out, it was first YOU who began making snide comments, and who 'jumped on the new comer', with comments which again had no basis in reality had you actually read the post in it's entirety, rather than editing it to convey your own unfounded beliefs.

In closing, I would like to point out that it is YOU who has been so quick to pounce and make derogatory comments, and tried at every oppurtunity to undermine me since I first arrived here, maybe therefore, you should again be questioning your own motives for doing so? Personally, I think it is YOU who is here to bolster your own sense of importance by recieving the adulation and respect of those seeking help, as you seem to be acting very defensively that someone else may be (unintentionally) threatening your position here.

Maybe this is something you should think about, if of course you have any degree of self-honesty ;).

Regards.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
H..mania,

# 1.It seems.... you have a compulsive urge to be argumentative (mania)....so I am not going to waste my precious time answering all silly stuff.

# 2.I have no vested interest in being here...so the matter of 'being threatened' has absolutely no basis.

# 3.If you are really worth what you are claiming...then where is the point of dis- agreement. Coz I have already said that people will applaud you then. And then ..I will also applaud you !!

And I have always applauded good contributions made by people here.

You are wasting your energy.

From your posts ...I honestly feel.... you would have made more progress in life as a lawyer.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Mr Livera.

'I agree with your viewpoint about Jacob Scott alias HaneMANIA as all he has done so far, as far as I can see, is to try to impress on members how very classical he is in his outlook while dedicated homeopaths like you and me are made out to be just a lot of rubbish.'
Nice use of caps! Firstly, I have never once said you are a 'lot of rubbish', as you so quaintly put it, I have merely pointed out the flaws in your method, as based upon 200 years of clinical observation by classical Homoeopaths, and I also initially took great time in praising your dedication to helping people, did I not? I would therefore thankyou not to put words in my mouth. Lastly of course Mr Livera, qualified or not, you are not a Homoeopath.

'It is obvious to me now that he is just an imposter who is quick to criticize but did very little or nothing with his own brand of classical homeopathy, to help members who post their ailments on this forum in the hope of a cure.'
An imposter? Haha, who in their right mind would pretend to be something they are not on an internet forum?! It is certainly not me who is pretending to be something he is not Mr Livera ;) And as for not providing help, again, like Mr Varma above, you would do well to read my posts, I have provided advice on almost every one of them. Maybe more reading and less commenting would be the best approach?

'He has compelled me to waste a lot of my time in defending my open defiance of all that he stands for with his pseudo classical outlook which I could otherwise have spent more usefully in helping members in the manner that I have done for the last 3 years with almost 4500 posts which he can read if he so desires together with the comments of grateful patients who have testified that they were cured.'
Again, pseudo? And re what you are terming 'cure', I have pointed out many times now, that without proper follow up such a statement is without foundation, and in fact I have highlighted out a few cases already to you where the effects of your treatment are questionable in this respect, and will continue to do so.


'He may like to also read that many of these patients have been under classical homeopaths who have proceeded to fleece them for years under the guise of curing them and they discovered that I was able to help them with just one or two remedies that relieved them of years of suffering.'
I cannot, obviously, speak for other Homoeopaths terming themselves as 'classical', or their motives for treating patients, and again, I would question how such 'relief' is actually being produced.

'It seems a pity that Scott persists in generally upsetting the patients whom I have been treating, with dire warnings of doom which must await them if they follow my advice.'
Um, excuse me, but I have not seen one patient 'upset' by my posts, in fact many have thanked me for 'filling them in' on such things, and I would actually like to point out that those who HAVE become upset, have only been made so by your 'snappy' and often derogatory attitude, when they have questioned your methods, take the following as but one example: http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/77722/1

'He does seem to take some vicarious satisfaction out of waiting for the first symptom of any aggravation and the only one that he could spot was the case of the breast lump which may or may not have been caused by the Silicea that she was using for her Fistula.'
I take no satisifaction in pointing out the shortcomings of your 'method', I do however feel duty bound as a classical Hommoeopath to point out the possible long term effects of such things to those seeking help, which is all I have done, and as stated, will continue to do. Also, the case you state above would not be one of aggravation, but one of proving, as the patient has never had this symptom before. Again, if you had actually recieved any form of training, you would know the difference between the two. In ADDITION to this, you did not even mention the possibility of a proving symptom, until I actually pointed out this may be the case.

'Another classic case was the child I was treating for Asthma who was reported by his father as reacting angrily to being placed under a blanket with steam which was shared by both the father and the son.'
My reason for doing so, not that I need to explain myself to you, was that Natrum Sulphuricum is a very potent anti-sycotic (which I'm SURE you know), sycosis being a disease of great violent and aggressive tendencies, and as such, like all anti-miasmatics should not be given long term (and certainly not in the same potency) for fear of the patient actually PROVING the remedy, and therefore developing such traits. You also seem to have conveniently missed the point entirely that the end result of the enquiry was that the patient had NOT ever exhibited such a tendency toward violent aggression before...

'This was interpreted by Scott as a positive sign of aggravation to my therapy and the father responded by simply stating that this was not the case. '
See comments above, and I certainly did not see such an assertion made by the father, unless of course he has posted since?

'It is stupidity of this level that must be avoided at all costs as the peace of this forum is disrupted by upstarts like Scott who under the guise of their classical attitude help to bring down the status at which the ABC in now held in international circles in homeopathy.'
Stupidity?...hmm. I am sorry if my being here is upsetting your cosy little notions that you are actually practicing Homoeopathy, or indeed helping people, but not being a classically trained Homoeopath, you would be unaware of the utter mess systems such as your own cause in the long term, a mess which real Homoeopaths such as myself then have to go on to rectify.

'I have no objection to Scott helping to alleviate the problems that members post on the ABC but I do resent his pseudo classical one upmanship which does not get him and the patients who visit it anywhere.'
How very decent of you!, but I would like to point out to you also, you are not, as far as I am aware, either moderator OR part of the 'team' here, so I really do not need such permission to do so from you. As for 'pseudo classical', I'm not sure I understand, as my approach IS classical, and therefore the prefix of pseudo is a serious misnomer.

Regards.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
'H..mania,'
That would be Jacob.

'# 1.It seems.... you have a compulsive urge to be argumentative (mania)....so I am not going to waste my precious time answering all silly stuff.'
Haha, wait, let me get this straight, YOU continually bring up certain points, and make remarks about me (and have done since I arrived), neither of which I have done to you except in response, and ALL of which have been totally unfounded, and then you acuse ME of being argumentative, that's actually quite comical, and I have actually repeatedley stated I have no desire for such ridiculous banter, yet you have persisted in making such comments. O...k ;) and on another note, I really do not need any kind of diagnosis from someone who is not even a Homoeopath, but thanks anyway (Hepar Sulph indeed...-Shakes head-)

'# 2.I have no vested interest in being here...so the matter of 'being threatened' has absolutely no basis.'
Hmm, me thinks that great Egyptian river is on the horizon again, you know the one, 'de nile'? Maybe self-awareness really isn't your forte ;)

'# 3.If you are really worth what you are claiming...then where is the point of dis- agreement.'
You tell me? You are the one persistently passing remarks?

'Coz I have already said that people will applaud you then. And then ..I will also applaud you !!'
I am not here for applause, or acceptance that I am 'worth my salt', III at least have had 12 years of this in real life.

'And I have always applauded good contributions made by people here.'
As long as they do not conflict with your own personal interests?

'You are wasting your energy.'
No, no, it is YOU who are wasting your energy, by continually posting remarks, I am merely responding, which is all I have done since I arrived...

'From your posts ...I honestly feel.... you would have made more progress in life as a lawyer.'
Haha, but Mr Varma, I HAVE made progress, as I am already a sucessful Homoeopath, and have stated my own accomplishments (which you continually goad me to do, and then term 'self praise' -rolls eyes-), maybe you should be worried more about your own accomplishments, what is you do again? a travelling salesman?

It's quite simple, if you do not want a response to your unfounded comments...do not post them.

'Best wishes'.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Garbage!
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Haha, okay, whatever you say there slugger ;)

If, by the way, you actually find an argument rooted in reality, which you can then go on to see to the end, without the need for dismissive, one word comments, you be sure to let me know ;)


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
I agree. (Garbage)

I shall not waste any more of my time in replying.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
That's two strikes...I have nothing further to add ;)


Best wishes all round!


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Just for information ...of others reading this thread.

In 2005...for more than 6 months.... I was not posting anything on ABC ...becoz I had noticed that some people (like H..mania) were distracting me from helping the help seekers.

I have been posting here since 2003.

During my absence from ABC, I was regularly reciving direct e-mails from members of ABC and I was guiding them thru e-mail.

However, later some people requested me to re-start posting on ABC Forum so that many others could benefit from my guidance given to each person.

I saw wisdom in those requests an returned back.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
This is what H...mania (Jacob) said on 5th Oct. 2006 :

Quote

I signed up for this forum because in the 6 short months or so in which I have actually brought part of my practice, and my comittment to Homoeopathy online, I have simply become tired of people coming to me, both patient and Homoeopath alike, asking why such advice as given here, is actually allowed, and why something isn't done about it. MUCH more importantly than this though, I have simply lost count of the amount of patients who have approached me privately on every other forum asking me to help them sort out the mess which following such advice has left them in, and I know from conversations with other Homoeopaths who work online, the same is also true for them.

Unquote

When Simon (Moderator) asked him to give specific cases...through his post dated 5th Oct., 2006 reproduced below , H..mania made an about turn with a very 'slippery reply' again dated 5th Oct., 2006....reproduced further below:

Quote
Hahnemania,

You say:
' I have simply lost count of the amount of patients who have approached me privately on every other forum asking me to help them sort out the mess which following such advice has left them in'

With the patients' permission, please forward these emails to me (contact [at] abchomeopathy.com ), preferably with any information you can about who prescribed the remedy(s) in question.

We'll look at tagging posts (i.e. 'warning, this person's reply seems to be placed without complete information')

Thanks,
Simon

Unquote

This is H..mania's 'slippery reply' of 5th Oct., 2006 :

Quote
Dear Simon, thankyou for the response.

I no longer have access to the individual cases unfortunately, as most of these were through other forums via PM, and I do not have log in accounts with these anymore. I will though forward any future cases, and encourage others to do the same.

Unquote

So Ladies and Gentlemen...you can see the manipulations of Mr. Jacob / H..mania.


All posts have been made on the thread 'Is this Homeopathy and Forum !!'.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
'I have nothing further to add ;)'

Except...If others feel the need to continue with their own desperate attempts at defamation, trying to manipulate others by promoting their own contrived interpretations of innocent comments (which is actually starting to appear quite desperate indeed now), this is of course their perogative. I however, have no such need, as I am sure everyone here is intelligent enough not to be manipulated by such things, and to see the situation as it really is, and has been ;)

Again, best wishes to all.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Getting even better.

Very intertaining. Keep up guys.
 
kuldeep last decade
*entertaining.
 
kuldeep last decade
Kuldeeeeep !!

He is mocking at your kind of advice too !!

May be you want such 'salt and pepper' on your site too.

Best wishes,

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
With reference to your last post Pankaj, I have to state that I personally know at least one person who has approached Jacob with questions re abc's prescription policies.
For the rest of your argument, I really do not understand it, but there seems to be a tendency on this forum to attack anyone who attempts to give advice based on true homeopathy. I am surprized that you (Pankaj) are so persistent in persecution. From what I have read, Jacob is truly helpful and it is derogatory and dishonest to accuse him of various sins to try and validate your atands. For instance the 'hi Mania' and 'garbage' comment - why? what he says that I can understand context of (as I said, I don't know what the whole argument is about) makes good sense.
Mr. de Livera - I suppose you will now accuse me of being Jacob! Please understand this if you can - you are not a homeopath. You are not curing people, which anyone who understands homeopathy will tell you - and have done so. You work on the principle of irradicating symptoms without a care as to what follows (ALLOPATHY). You jump all over any homeopaths whose patients show aggravation, but you ignore warning symptoms from the poor folks who trustingly follow your prescriptions, for serious lack of knowledge. You disdain any suggestions that you need to study homeopathy with boring repititions of posts which are what the sceptics call anecdotal and not evidence of cure at all. Don't claim how happy patients are with you, since neither they nor you have the basis to judge the difference between palliation, suppression and cure. I am sure you have some real cures because of the law of averages, but these are still just accidental homeopathy.
If you had less ego and more humility toward the 'science and art' you claim to be so astounded by you would at least stop to reflect whether all these criticisms might not just have truth to them. And before you once more trot out that quote, understand this: everything that is ridiculed is not necessarily he truth - i.e., ridicule or opposition is not a validation of your methods.
Once again, like others I acknowledge that you are dedecated and desire to help - unfortunately, not enough to assess yourself and what you're doing rather than blaming every lack on classical homeopaths attacking you because of envy of your 'originality' or because they want to seduce patients to them for filthy lucre.
Kuldeep, you seem to have a great desire to fan the flames wherever you go. Very dangerous.
Jacob, I applaud you for standing up to all this. I do wish you had more support.
 
ripas last decade
So i have a question, does this mr jacob have anything to do with actual homeopathy? or is he some lackey that the moderator hired? Why can't the moderator speak for himself?
 
Diesiel last decade
Ripas,
Can you show me one place where I have said 'Hi Mania' ??

I have
said 'H...mania'...which is my short version of 'Hahne-mania'...the name Jacob has assumed here on ABC.

With other long names also I make such abbrevations...so as to save typing time.

Yes he generated a lot of 'garbage'....I was very patient with him for quite a time....in the end I had to call a spade a spade. He was repeatedly insinuating and insulting me.
Where were you at that time when he was doing so ???

The quality of posts he is generating is a reflection on his character. That standard rule applies to everyone.

If his advice is helpful...sure thing I will be one of the first to say so. Still watching.

Jacob is making a lot of noise about his degrees.

Bill Gates is a college dropout..but directs the fortunes of one of the best software companies in the world..Microsoft. He personally supervises the research and commissioning of new softwares by Microsoft.

And there are many Software 'degree and Ph D holders' whom Microsoft have refused to employ because they found them worthless.

Don't 'travel' in life with a limited vision.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Does Kuldeep/Girlal have a degree in homeopathy?

Look at the quality of information he is giving us on homeopathic medicines. And he has done it consistently for months and months together...sacrificing so much personal time for the good of all. And all that time he dedicated only to ABC and no other Forum.

Is there any homeopath 'degree holder' here on ABC who has given us even one tenth of such information???

To evaluate people...use some accounting principles.....draw a balance sheet.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
MAYBE ... MAYBE ... MAY-BE ... M A Y-BE ... just M A Y B E ...

Maybe it is time for Simon (the current moderator) to quit and appoint the mono-sole-propagator of 'joepathy (sic)', as the Chief High-Handed Moderator of this Abc-Forum. THEN the new moderator will be able to ban ANY & ALL members who do not toe the 'joepathy (sic)' line.

ALL members are PLEADED to AGREE & ACCEPT the 'joepathy (sic)', atleast for once to satisfy the chronic self-glorifyer, ELSE the frustrated never-ending montonous & boring mumble long-posts will KEEP-ON continuing randomly at every non-helping-patient post.

MAYBE ... M A Y B E, it is just about time to start JOEPATHY.COM .or. better still JOEPATHY.ORG, with a FORUM where only the joepathy propagator would SOLEY POST AND REPLY, as well.
(Heee ... heee ... heeee ....... ANYBODY .... Any comments on the above thought)

INCIDENTALLY, there are thousands of multiple login I.D. alias that are used for self-glorification and promotion of 'joepathy (sic)', which maybe the Moderator (Simon) would some day disclose over here and as he disclosed about 'kuldeep alias hoolio, lopez, homeo_fan, stanzione, girilal, Steve Atur, lanif, pw3000, alchemist, laura11, silverman, varun14,l uxmi, kapil, jeevan, jeniffer, vinnie, and about a dozen other names.

CONSIDER THIS once again. (by Winston Churchill) :
'A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on'

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
 
Nesha-India last decade
Dear Mr Kuldeep
...entertaining? You actually find entertainment in this kind of thing? I don't know about others here, but my interest is in Homoeopathy and curing the sick, not engaging in such childish, personal and unfounded arguments (although I will defend myself if provoked, as I am sure certain people are now fully aware), or in watching other members so desperately and hysterically trying to recruit others into their imaginary causes, which it has to be said, is actually becoming quite embarrassing to watch...

Each to their own I guess.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Oh and p.s, thankyou for the private request to contribute to your site, I will certainly take a look :)

-Chuckles-


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Dear Ripas, well said! and thankyou for the support.

Re: the persistence of a certain members apparent 'persecution' (which personally I only see as hysterical outburst),I think it is becoming quite evident to everyone now that this 'certain member' is so persistent in their 'attacks', because they and their entire argument simply have no basis, or at least not one which is rooted in reality. I think this is known in psychiatry as projection, or is it defferal, hmm.

Best wishes.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Dear Diesiel.

This Mr Jacob does indeed have a lot to do with actual Homoeopathy, the nature of which has been stated many times on other threads.

Re: 'some 'lackey' that the moderator hired', why would Simon, the moderator, need to hire anyone? He has the ability to step in and/or remove anyone from the site with one click of a mouse, and if he wasn't happy with the way things were here before I arrived, I'm sure he would have done just that. He is also quite capable I'm sure, of speaking for himself? Moreover though, if you actually read the begining of this conversation elsewhere, you will see his responses, non of which have been directly in support of anything I've said, so I have no idea where you're coming from...


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Oh, and as a final note, and to address yet ANOTHER point on which I have been misquoted by a certain member...I have never once made use of the word degree or for that matter made reference to any other kind of academic qualification when judging the prescribing methods of others here. The word I have used throughout is TRAINING. In fact, even on my own forum, we welcome both professional AND lay Homoeopaths alike. I judge practitioners only on their prescribing methods, experience, knowledge of the subject (or indeed lack thereof), and how closely they adhere to the founding principles of Homoeopathy, nothing more.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/81071/4


Hopefully this is now an end to the situation.

Best wishes to all.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade

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