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A patient has the following symptoms:Fever only in anxiety state, feels he would die, very sad, cancer of stomach, pain burning stomach with hiccough and thirst of small quantity of water. When vomits, only vomits black. Feels not good in cold and open air. Symptoms aggrevates after eating.
What is your recommendation?
Dr. MAS on 2004-09-24
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♡ John Stanton last decade
Yes! Arsenic Alb.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Kindly note:
This is one of the medicines we focus on if there are signs of food poisioning in an individual.
If the symptoms match the "drug picture", go ahead and use the med.
Heavy breathing is surely
another symptom (asthama).
Desire to drink small quantities of water (half glass) at frequent intervals (like every half hour) ....another indication.
Signs of malignancy ...another indication.
Best,
Pankaj Varma
This is one of the medicines we focus on if there are signs of food poisioning in an individual.
If the symptoms match the "drug picture", go ahead and use the med.
Heavy breathing is surely
another symptom (asthama).
Desire to drink small quantities of water (half glass) at frequent intervals (like every half hour) ....another indication.
Signs of malignancy ...another indication.
Best,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Gentleman,
Thanks for the fruitful response. I also agree with you. My choice is also arsenic album.
My next step is also simple just like the first one which I posted in my first post.
Suppose that arsenic album has not been proved. Or No proving data of arsenic album is available to us (homeopath). Then what will you do when above patient will report the case to you?
The patient is arsenic album but arsenic album has not been proved?
Prof/ Dr. MAS
Thanks for the fruitful response. I also agree with you. My choice is also arsenic album.
My next step is also simple just like the first one which I posted in my first post.
Suppose that arsenic album has not been proved. Or No proving data of arsenic album is available to us (homeopath). Then what will you do when above patient will report the case to you?
The patient is arsenic album but arsenic album has not been proved?
Prof/ Dr. MAS
Dr. MAS last decade
depends if other homoeopathic remedies are proven and information is available as such or not..
.next most homoeopathic to case (within scope of proven data) shall be chosen.. phosphorous.. some symptomology is not covered but this we are prepared to approach as defined in organon in such cases....in this case another remedy shall be needed to complete the cure --if in fact arsenicum would have completed cure alone....
.next most homoeopathic to case (within scope of proven data) shall be chosen.. phosphorous.. some symptomology is not covered but this we are prepared to approach as defined in organon in such cases....in this case another remedy shall be needed to complete the cure --if in fact arsenicum would have completed cure alone....
♡ John Stanton last decade
One would not go by merely the symptoms that you have posted Dr. MAS.
One would take down "all head to foot symptoms",seek details of past medical history, seek details of medical record of mother, father and close relations and then try to build the picture of the patient's constitution. Then seek out the medicine which matches best.
Simoultaneously,(if symptoms match) would go up the higher potency ladder and see if the same medicine works through a higher potency.
If this is not the correct answer to your question, then you have not stated your question in a manner that can be properly understood.
In that event,kindly re-state your question in a simpler way that can be understood by people--- (from planet earth)---- with normal level of intellect.
best,
Pankaj Varma
One would take down "all head to foot symptoms",seek details of past medical history, seek details of medical record of mother, father and close relations and then try to build the picture of the patient's constitution. Then seek out the medicine which matches best.
Simoultaneously,(if symptoms match) would go up the higher potency ladder and see if the same medicine works through a higher potency.
If this is not the correct answer to your question, then you have not stated your question in a manner that can be properly understood.
In that event,kindly re-state your question in a simpler way that can be understood by people--- (from planet earth)---- with normal level of intellect.
best,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Very Interesting Dr. MAS,
Again I am with John and Pankaj but likes to add more.
I will go for next "closed remedy." I believe that the next close remedy will cure all symptoms of the patient but not "air open >" for this remedy. I have to search a new remedy. The case will not be finished up on next closed remedy but in this case 2nd prescription is must. :)
Again I am with John and Pankaj but likes to add more.
I will go for next "closed remedy." I believe that the next close remedy will cure all symptoms of the patient but not "air open >" for this remedy. I have to search a new remedy. The case will not be finished up on next closed remedy but in this case 2nd prescription is must. :)
Maximum last decade
Pl. see "SINGLE OR A NUMBER OF MEDICINES"....
I dug this out fro mthe Archives for all to see.
This also answers your question in many ways.
I dug this out fro mthe Archives for all to see.
This also answers your question in many ways.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I also 100 % agree with you. You, all seems to me sensible persons. I read in old ancestors writings that each individual case demands one and lonely remedy, if you will not select that remedy your patient will not be cured. What they tried to say that only single similimum remedy has the power / eligibility to cure the patient. If you will wrongly select any other remedy, you will not see any improvement rather that remedy will start proving on that patient.
Dr. Banaras Khan, Classical Homeopath from Wah Cantt Pakistan was delivering a lecture in a seminar where he said I was also present with George Vithoulkas when he was taking a patient case. Two remedies were coming side by side i.e. Lachesis and lyco. At last they came on lachesis. When a participant asked him, if we will give lyco then what will happen? He said, only one remedy has the power to cure your patient other remedy will spoil the case
Having said that he tried to give impression that only one remedy has the power to cure our patient other remedy will spoil the case because it was not indicated although other remedy seems to us covering many other symptoms of the patient, GV (George Vithoulkas) prescribed on one single symptom which was came at the end of case taking and lyco was not covering that symptom.
See, on such minimum symptom arsenic and phos are side by side. If ars is not available (or not been proved) then we do have choice of phos for this patient stage (although this stage is suppose stage but we do see many patients in our daily life where we do not find 100 % compatible remedies for our patients) just like I say pink discharge from the hair follicles (I saw this symptom in one of the bone cancer patient) is not found in any remedy but may be in future, we will see a remedy who will prove this symptom but until then we have to select 2nd close remedy.
Suppose that if arsenic album has not been discovered so for just like we have no remedy for pink discharge then for above arsenic case we can select lyco and sulph. These two remedies will cover all the symptoms of this (suppose) patient but without covering Delirium Violent complaint. For this complaint we will select next possible remedy and that is Lachesis which has delirium violent complaint. But if we give lach instead of lyco or sulph then all the symptoms will be subsided except Thirst small quantities of water which is not proved symptom of lachesis.
Having said, that I want to say Each homeopath use different technique for taking up his/her patient case and for each technique he/she selects different remedy but each selected remedy has the power of curing those symptoms which are existing the patient. If a selected remedy is covering all the symptoms of the patient then it is good sign but if it does not then we dont have to worry about the case, we can select next for remedy which has the ability and influence to finish up those symptoms which were proved in the proving that selected remedy. The only problem is we have to call patient for our 2nd prescription.
Prof Dr. MAS
Maulana Zafar Ali Khan Homeopathic Medical Degree College
Wazirabad, Pakistan
Dr. Banaras Khan, Classical Homeopath from Wah Cantt Pakistan was delivering a lecture in a seminar where he said I was also present with George Vithoulkas when he was taking a patient case. Two remedies were coming side by side i.e. Lachesis and lyco. At last they came on lachesis. When a participant asked him, if we will give lyco then what will happen? He said, only one remedy has the power to cure your patient other remedy will spoil the case
Having said that he tried to give impression that only one remedy has the power to cure our patient other remedy will spoil the case because it was not indicated although other remedy seems to us covering many other symptoms of the patient, GV (George Vithoulkas) prescribed on one single symptom which was came at the end of case taking and lyco was not covering that symptom.
See, on such minimum symptom arsenic and phos are side by side. If ars is not available (or not been proved) then we do have choice of phos for this patient stage (although this stage is suppose stage but we do see many patients in our daily life where we do not find 100 % compatible remedies for our patients) just like I say pink discharge from the hair follicles (I saw this symptom in one of the bone cancer patient) is not found in any remedy but may be in future, we will see a remedy who will prove this symptom but until then we have to select 2nd close remedy.
Suppose that if arsenic album has not been discovered so for just like we have no remedy for pink discharge then for above arsenic case we can select lyco and sulph. These two remedies will cover all the symptoms of this (suppose) patient but without covering Delirium Violent complaint. For this complaint we will select next possible remedy and that is Lachesis which has delirium violent complaint. But if we give lach instead of lyco or sulph then all the symptoms will be subsided except Thirst small quantities of water which is not proved symptom of lachesis.
Having said, that I want to say Each homeopath use different technique for taking up his/her patient case and for each technique he/she selects different remedy but each selected remedy has the power of curing those symptoms which are existing the patient. If a selected remedy is covering all the symptoms of the patient then it is good sign but if it does not then we dont have to worry about the case, we can select next for remedy which has the ability and influence to finish up those symptoms which were proved in the proving that selected remedy. The only problem is we have to call patient for our 2nd prescription.
Prof Dr. MAS
Maulana Zafar Ali Khan Homeopathic Medical Degree College
Wazirabad, Pakistan
Dr. MAS last decade
Dear Dr. MAS,
I really appreciate the effort, time and expertise contributed by yourself in explaining in great detail the above case and the underlying theoretical aspects of homeopathy.
Such sharing of knowledge on this Forum by anyone or everyone is very much appreciated.
I appeal to others, who have homeopathic skills to share their knowledge in a similar way.
I am also thankful to ABC and Simon Brodlay for setting up this site.
So also to the people who invented the Internet for making all this happen for people around the world.
Ten or fifteen years back such sharing was not possible because the Internet had not gained such access.
Best regards,
Pankaj Varma
New Delhi, India
I really appreciate the effort, time and expertise contributed by yourself in explaining in great detail the above case and the underlying theoretical aspects of homeopathy.
Such sharing of knowledge on this Forum by anyone or everyone is very much appreciated.
I appeal to others, who have homeopathic skills to share their knowledge in a similar way.
I am also thankful to ABC and Simon Brodlay for setting up this site.
So also to the people who invented the Internet for making all this happen for people around the world.
Ten or fifteen years back such sharing was not possible because the Internet had not gained such access.
Best regards,
Pankaj Varma
New Delhi, India
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Do you want to say, the remedy which is 2nd high up (2nd choice) after complete case analysis can be replaced with actual similimum (1st choice)?
Maximum last decade
delirium-violent mind *** * - - ** * *** * *** **
fear-death mind *** *** ** * ** * * ** ** ***
sadness-(mental depression) mind *** ** *** *** *** ** ** *** ** ***
cancer stom *** *** *** ** ** *** - - * -
hiccough stom *** ** *** * ** * *** ** ** *
pain-burning stom *** *** ** *** * ** * * ** *
thirst-small quantities,for stom *** * *** ** - - * - * -
vomiting-black stom *** *** ** ** ** ** ** * - *
air-open > gen *** ** ** ** ** ** ** *** - **
cold-air < gen *** ** *** ** * ** ** ** ** **
eating- after < gen *** *** *** *** *** *** ** *** ** *
fear-death mind *** *** ** * ** * * ** ** ***
sadness-(mental depression) mind *** ** *** *** *** ** ** *** ** ***
cancer stom *** *** *** ** ** *** - - * -
hiccough stom *** ** *** * ** * *** ** ** *
pain-burning stom *** *** ** *** * ** * * ** *
thirst-small quantities,for stom *** * *** ** - - * - * -
vomiting-black stom *** *** ** ** ** ** ** * - *
air-open > gen *** ** ** ** ** ** ** *** - **
cold-air < gen *** ** *** ** * ** ** ** ** **
eating- after < gen *** *** *** *** *** *** ** *** ** *
Dr. MAS last decade
lach......... . . . . .
sulph........ . . . . . .
lyc.......... . . . . . . .
phos......... . . . . . . . .
ars.......... . . . . . . . . .
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if you see above, you will find that phos, lyco, sulph and lach are closed remedies.
phos is second high up remedy and can be replaced with other remedies. lyco and sulph will not impact on "delirium - violent" but these have the ability to subside others. and remeber when other will gone the delirium - violent will automatically gone and for this alone symptom we do not need anyother remedy. but in few cases we do require hyos if the symptom "delerium violent" persists.
hope you have enjoyed discussion.
dr. mas
member eastern medicines
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sulph........ . . . . . .
lyc.......... . . . . . . .
phos......... . . . . . . . .
ars.......... . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . .
if you see above, you will find that phos, lyco, sulph and lach are closed remedies.
phos is second high up remedy and can be replaced with other remedies. lyco and sulph will not impact on "delirium - violent" but these have the ability to subside others. and remeber when other will gone the delirium - violent will automatically gone and for this alone symptom we do not need anyother remedy. but in few cases we do require hyos if the symptom "delerium violent" persists.
hope you have enjoyed discussion.
dr. mas
member eastern medicines
www.hamdard.edu
Dr. MAS last decade
I was searching for a word and in result found this post. I saw your profile and then searched your other posts. It seems to me your upper chamber is slightly disturb;)(no offense just teasing) If the patient was not aresenic and it it was not proved then how can you say that is arsenic patient?
Dr SS last decade
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