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Why 'Joepathy' works in many cases

Dear friends,

I had posted these thoughts of mine on another thread.But for the benefit of all the members and to encourage further discussion, i have started a new thread and pasted it here.

Rajiv

Dear Joe,

First of all, let me express my admiration for you as a compassionate human being.I am sure you may remember that i have appreciated your efforts in the past too.

But in the example above cited, the patient was cured by a dose of Pulsatilla 200 which you had suggested.Pulsatilla is one of the main remedies in homeopathy for the rubric 'worse by heat', and hence cured.It was simple homeopathy and not 'Joepathy', which i believe is associated with Arnica, Nat. Phos. & Nat. Sulph.

I have for long thought to share some of my thoughts on why your prescriptions appear to work in a number of cases.I think it is the right time to do so.

Arnica, as everyone knows is the number one remedy for the shock of a trauma, whether the trauma is physical or mental.The reason is that it has a tendency to increase the flow of oxygen to the site of trauma.In case of physical trauma, to the site of injury, and in case of mental shock, to the affected part of the brain.That is why it is one of the leading remedies in the cases of brain haemorrhage too.Evn when a person is very fatigued after very severe hard work, a dose of Arnica brings a calming influence and takes away the fatigue due to increased oxygenation in the blood.What is happening in your case is that due to your old age (which causes poor oxygenation due to old age) and your hard working routine (which must be causing a lot of internal wear and tear at the cellular level), Arnica acts like a kind of 'superficial similimum' and tones you up so to speak ensuring nice sleep etc.Arnica is one of the main remedies that Dr.Parimal Banerjee (one of the greatest homeopaths that India has ever produced with the world record of having treated over 1.5 million people in his time) recommends for high blood pressure.The reason is again very simple to see.Arnica naturally pushes the blood flow, and causes the heart to relax a bit in confirmed cases of hypertension.In such cases, hypertension is the disease condition to which Arnica acts as a 'superficial similimum'.In fact, your experiment on your own self has definitely encouraged me to conduct some experiments of my own.These experiments were inspired by you.My father-in-law was suffering from gangrene of his right toe, which was in danger of being amputated.I asked him to take the wet dose of Arnica 30 and to apply Arnica Q dilution externally.The condition was healed in two months.The reasonis simple enough.The Arnica caused the highly oxygenated blood to reach the gangrenous toe.So yes, your self proving of Arnica is valuable to the homeopathic community, but more care should be taken in prescribing.There should be circumstances calling for Arnica, rather than prescribing it left, right and center to all comers.Even young people.That could cause a proving.

Nat. Phos. is a noted remedy for GERD and acidity.But it works on the Schussler's biochemic principle.But why does it in some cases cause a reduction in weight loss?I will try to explain.Nat. Phos. (this is biochemic theory and not a homeopathic one) is the main biochemic remedy to restore the acid-base order in the body.An enhanced acid level in the body indicates that a great portion of the sugar metabolism in the body is taking place via fermentation which is due to the presence of anaerobic bacteria in very high quantities.These bacteria generate a high toxic load which teh liver is then unable to process out of the body.So it causes the body to generate a lot of fat to dissove and store the water insoluble toxins.With Nat. Phos., the acidity is reduced and hence the detoxification starts at a rapid pace in cases such as those above.This causes the fat which was generated to store the toxins in the first place, to be released and dissolved.

Nat. Sulph. is the most important homeopathic remedy in cases of asthma worse in damp places or in areas near the seashore.Colombo is near the sea and hence the high rate of success in curing asthma cases there with Nat Sulph.If Joe would read Von Grauvogl and his description of the usefulness of Nat. Sulph. in asthama cases in hydrogenoid (Grauvogl's term for people who suffer from excess of water in their body) constitutions, he would realize why it works in these cases.And why it does not work in some cases where he needs to resort to Arsenic, Blatta etc.

Any way.These discussions are only going to enhance everyone's knowledge and hence keep them flowing.

With warm regards to Joe and everyone else,

Rajiv
 
  rajivprasad on 2006-10-15
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Very well put Rajiv, and on all your points regarding why these remedies are sometimes curative, or seem to help, I couldn't agree more.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Now, Joepathy as a seperate therapy is declared officially, and we shouldn't have any hesitation in letting people choose it if they want, among so many other therapies like,Aurveda,Acupuncture,Yoga,Reiki,Unani,Chinese,Herbal..etc..etc.

Joepathy mainly uses Arnica,Nat.sulph,Nat.Phos for all most all ailments on this earth, with antibiotic gels, and medicines added sometimes.

I am sure google will pickup this word soon,if not already done so.

Congrats Dear Joe.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi

I just googled it and got 1-6 links displayed out of a total of 39.

Just type joepathy.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Jacob,

Thanks for your appreciation.One thing i always very deeply think about is why do certain remedies pick up a reputation for helping in certain conditions.The so called 'specifics'.In this i am inspired by James Burnett who was one of the great maters of yesteryears who really understood his remedies, and hence found uses for certain lesser known remedies where other homeopaths would not dream of using them.

With warm regards,

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
May be it is Joe's healing capabilities not just his prescriptions.

Materia works in strange ways, once I gave a patient Antimony Crudum for some ailment but in hours his rock like tennis ball like hanging tumor under his eyes was gone in some hours.

It was just gone. He went to hundreds of homeopathys for the treatment of tumor but gave up.

When I gave him antimony crudum I didn't have that tumor in my mind.

One year ago just a leaf of Helix Hedera reversed hydrocephalus in a small child where everybody else gave up and family were utterly poor slum dwellers, were unable to afford any decent medical attention.

A friend of mine, (Not a fundamentalist homeopath) asked me to fetch helix hedera from some vendor in USA because he was unable to find it in India, I happened to be in Mcleod Gung (Himalayas) and couried him just few leaves of it.

Homeopathy does not end in a book but begins from the book and goes beyond for ever...

If one happen to realize healing powers of materia and uses it with courage, God give him a hand.

I never consider myself a homeopath, but a believer of materia.

Hahnemann instructed his students to make more provings, not to lick a fixed 'The Last Testament'.

Fundamentalism is the root cause of all problems because fundamentalists believe in some medival Last Testament.
 
kuldeep last decade
Wow ! Kuldeep !!

I didn't know you could make such hard hitting comments.

Surely...these guys pressed the 'wrong button' .

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
This pathy or that pathy can cure this or that and cannot not cure that or this.

Many people like me and you become hobby homeopaths, we cure some and unable to cure some.

Classical homeopaths too cure some, unable to cure some.

When a curing happen fundamentalists say:

.... Yeah, you cured but it is temporary, faulty, not whole ..... in long term problem would even go worse ....

Last year one girl was cured of her kidney disease (was scheduled for kidney transplant in two weeks). I gave her Serum Anguillae.

Homeopathy College principal (whole college was treating that girl for two years) called me and cursed me, he said oh yeah.... temporary relief... faulty relief.. fake relief....

Two lives were saved by a so called pathy. One was the poor paid donor and other was the girl, all transplants last few years.
 
kuldeep last decade
Dear Kuldeep.

I too have seen some amazing cures, not least of all small grains of sand actually working their way out of an ex builders callouses after just one dose of Silicea in an LM, literally before my eyes.

Also, I couldn't agree more with your assertions, which is why my own work very much revolves around bringing Homoeopathy into the 21st century, to encompass all the WORTHWHILE advances made since the days of Hahnemann, as well as scientific advances made by allopathy, such as the discovery of micro-organisms. It is also why I have myself self-proved over 300 remedies, many of them new, and why I am also working toward finding similiums for new threats to health, so I would hardly consider myself a 'fundamentalist' ;)
...but I do all this only within the parameters of original doctrine, as this is, and always will be the source, and when we detract from this, we lose the essence of Homoeopathy.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Erm, the assertions in your first post that is, we must have been posting at the same time.
 
Hahnemania last decade
And hmm, this forum is seriously in need of an 'ignore' button, to dispense with...minor irritations of a psychotic (or should that be sycotic 'hehehe')nature. Still, whatever people have to do to feel a sense of worth I guess, it is rather sad to watch, but hey, you can't hate the mentally unbalanced, only try to help them.
 
Hahnemania last decade
On the net 'he he he'...stands for.... 'I don't agree with you !' .
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Whatever you say loonytunes
-makes twirlies-
 
Hahnemania last decade
Thanks for the key:

'not least of all small grains of sand actually ...'

Dear Hahnemania when I find a patient in the slums of India, I try to find a remey in the slums of India.
 
kuldeep last decade
*remedy
 
kuldeep last decade
Hi Pankaj

If you can't discuss an issue,keep quiet.

Kuldeep has made some good points and let the discussion continue on that.

Don't expose old wounds, and get more and more hurt.

Hi Kuldeep

New thinking is always welcome. I always read your threads with interest.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Kuldeep, I am not sure I understand your post, please elaborate.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Dear Murthy

Experimenting with materia I have concluded that it works in strange unpredicted way. Most often simimum fails.

Why?

We are already exposed to thousands of materia in varous potencies as pollution.

One may prescribe Antimony crudum in a certain potency but most probably a patient is already exposed to it as air or water pollution so similum fails.

But if a body is exposted to a certain strange potentized materia, that offers most of the chance.

If I can't cure a patient I try to expose his body to strangest of the strangest materia. Could be Mercury or Antimony or Cyanide for him but not for all.

Similum works may not work because body is already exposed to that so find strangest shock.

My cousin has never endin sinus problem, with homeopathy he is half better. Last week we were walking and I asked him to chew some goldenrod pollen grains, he chewed and instantly got hay fever.

So most probably he was having hay fever from goldenrod... This gives his case an another dimension.
 
kuldeep last decade
An Example:

Graphites used to work as a great potent medicine about a hundred years ago but it does not work at all because it is a household material these days, our body is already exposed to it in all possible potencies, same thing is with petroleum...

So these factors must be considered before prescribing..

On the other hand, in these days Silica works excellent and predictably because our bodies are just too clean.

Nat. Phos and Nat. Sulphate are not easily found in environment so they work in these days.

Alumina would never work on a potter. Petroleum would never work on a petrol pump attendent.
 
kuldeep last decade
Dear Kuldeep,

I would like to say three things.First is that i have always admired your streak of innovativeness and have read almost all of your contributions on this forum with a lot of interest.Your 'silica' thread, your pencil 'graphites' adventures, your thread on different remedies and so on.I really enjoyed all of them and also learned a lot from them.

Second is that i am myself an experimenter, and am by no means an orthodox, licking a bible type, boring person that i may come across as.I understand fully well that like any subject, homeopathy also needs to develop and evolve.Of all the experiments that you are making, some may become well established and become a part of standard materia medica in the future.But what is also important is to not throw the baby away with the bathwater.You can experiment as much as you wish.Some will succeed spectacularly and some will fail.But as long as one is willing to learn and observe, the knowledge of the individual as well as of the subject itself grows.

Third is that one not only needs to experiment and use exotic remedies, but also why certain remedies are working in certain conditions, and if there is an overlap of symptoms where two or more remedies are indicated, can we identify specific and distinguishing characteristics of these new remedies, to choose from among them.That is the only way one can contribute to the development of new materia medica.

I can see a similar attempt being made at your own website too.Isn't it?Your software to help people identify their constitutional remedy is also an attempt to individualize, if i understand correctly.So where is a fundamental difference of opinion.

Rajiv

P.S. to Pankaj,

Now as for pressing 'right' or 'wrong' buttons, i don't know what is being said.Why should any one think like that?We are not here to press buttons.At least i am not.And don't try to behave like the class bully who will scare the tiny little children into submission.If you want to participate in discussions, please do so like an educated man and also try to live up to your Guru's revered name.Give solid arguments and for God's sake, stop behaving like a small child whose candies have been stolen.I have always been giving respect to you but you insist upon raking up a controversy.There is nothing to be gained by this sort of attitude.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Dear Kuldeep,

You said that 'Graphites used to work as a great potent medicine about a hundred years ago but it does not work at all because it is a household material these days......same thing is with Petroleum".

But this is surprising coming from the person whose 'What is Graphites" thread where you recommended making potentized Graphites from pencil material, was so polular on this forum.You yourself recounted a number of thrilling and successful cures with it and inspired a lot of the people here on the forum to experiment more.

There was another thread on which you suggested a very popular protocol for treatment of eczema.You suggested to take one remedy one week, then the next one next week and so on till the eczema responded to a particular remedy.I clearly remember that Graphites and Petroleum were the two of the remedies in that protocol.In fact you are on record saying that these are the two main remedies for the treatment of eczema.If they don't work nowadays, i wonder why you recommended them.

In my personal experience, i have tried your pencil graphites experiment with 5 children and it has worked.So it still works as both of us have confirmed.In two of these cases, i had to give Graphites 10M and above for which i used normally prepared Graphites as it is almost impossible to run the potency of the pencil Graphites thing to that high.

You also said that:

'Alumina would never work on a potter. Petroleum would never work on a petrol pump attendant'.

Why is that?If what you say is correct then what about the Arndt's law.I hope you have heard about it.

It states that 'weak and strong stimulii provoke opposite physiologica reactions'.So if a person is poisoned with a particular toxin or drug the same toxin or drug given in extreme dilutions helps to neutralize the poisonous effects of the crude drug or toxin.This law is one of the things which helped many allopaths to understand why the homeopathic remedies work.This is also the basis for Isopathy, which Hahnemann so strongly rejected.But he got it absolutely wrong of course, as today the Nosodes are an integral part of a homeopath's armamentarium.And they work.They are the most potent remedies in homeopathy.

I will end with only one example from my experience, though there are more than a hundred that i could share.I treated a person a few years back who told me of a strong adverse reaction to Sulpha drugs.Whenever he took any Sulpha drug, he felt very ill all over his body.Sulphur 10M, one dose cured his sciatica and he is pain free for the last 4 years.

I would love to hear your detailed thoughts.

With warm regards,

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
To Rajiv

Thank you for your treatise on how Arnica, Nat Phos, Nat Sulph react to resolve the respective ailments that I have prescribed them for patients whom I have helped on the homeopathic forums. This is, I feel, the attitude that other homeopaths should emulate by sharing their knowledge based on their own discoveries with the use of standard Homeopathic remedies in curing diseases which were not listed in the Repertories. I reported about 2 years ago that I had discovered that Arnica reduced Blood Sugar levels in both Type I and II Diabetics and as usual my report was held up in scorn immediately. It was only when other homeopaths discovered that Arnica does in fact reduce BS levels and as you also rightly included BP levels in patients, that those who scorned me sat up and took notice that there was indeed method in my madness.

You may have read the many attacks that classical homeopaths heaped upon me in the past few years on the homeopathic forums I visit daily, merely because they considered me a maverick who rocked their precious Classical Homeopathic boat too much. I believe that they did so because at least some discovered that my presence on their classical forums could corrupt the minds of potential classical homeopaths who were already in homeopathic colleges, as my therapy which treats the disease directly in the allopathic manner, seemed to be more effective than the standard classical method of identifying just one remedy which takes into account all the other symptoms presented by the patient. I do not wish to elaborate on this point as I have already dealt with it in other posts on the ABC. You may have observed that the attacks against my therapy invariably predicted doom to the unsuspecting patient who in many cases was confused as to which therapy he should use, which made a bad situation even worse as in some instances he would prefer the classical approach merely because the prescriber had the title Dr. before his ID. I have some cases where the patient used the classical therapy and returned to my therapy when he found that the classical approach was not helping him and discovered that my non classical therapy cured him in some cases, instantly.

I have always maintained that Homeopathy to me is only a Hobby to which I am passionately dedicated especially today, since I have some time at my disposal which some years ago I could not devote to homeopathy as my professional duties came first. The return of my sons after their post graduate studies in the US and joined the family business gave me this free time which I use today to help others and it gives me great satisfaction to help a patient which I have done free of charge, especially those who have run the gamut of specialist doctors, Ayurvedic physicians and then later classical homeopaths and finally they come to me here in Sri Lanka or visit a Homeopathic forum and I take over in my own direct way.

It seems such a shame that other homeopaths classical or otherwise do not also use the direct way that I prefer instead of going round in circles as they were taught in their respective collages to use only the classical system because Hahnemann had directed them to do so. Reference to his Organon will show that he too was constantly updating his therapy with every subsequent edition and I believe that what I am now trying to do is to continue in his footsteps by updating the concept of Homeopathy and to prove to those classical types that there is another way of helping a patient to overcome a disease by using the direct method that I have been using successfully for many years in spite of the conflagaration that it seems to have caused in homeopathic circles.

I observe today that there seems to be some semblance of a truce that has resulted between the classical types and their attacks against me as at least one of them has stated that as long as the therapy I use is termed 'Joepathy' he does not have any reservations about my involvement in this art of healing.

I was also humbled to note the number of hits that this word 'Joepathy' gets on the Search Engines, which is a fact that I was not aware of till Murthy drew my attention to it a short while ago. I hope that this can perhaps indicate that the rest of the world too is taking some notice of the therapy that I have always used successfully, which to me seems the obvious therapy that others too should use in helping a patient to overcome his ailment. It seems a happy coincidence that this fact was discussed today, a few days before my 77th Birthday.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe,

When is your birthday?Please accept my most heartfelt best wishes on this great occasion for you and my family.I have nothing but admiration for your spirit of compassion and service towards fellow human beings.If even one tenth of the people of the world had the same compassion as you, this world would become so beautiful.

The reason for my starting this thread was very simple.I wanted to explain why these three remedies that you are so fond of, may be working in a number of cases that you have helped.

Though I do not share your views on the way the more well known official school of homeopathy is practised, I still respect you as a compassionate human being.

May God give you many, many, many more years of serviceful life!!May your 'beloved' Arnica keep working for you for ever.

With lots of best wishes,

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Hi Joe,

Let me also take the previlege of wishing you on your Birthday. Best Wishes and Take Care. Hope u will hit a century with Arnica. keep it going.

Once Again 'Best Wishes'

Mathew
 
pimathew last decade
Dear Kuldeep, from the assertions you have made above, I am afraid your observations are quite incorrect.

First of all, the only time the similium fails, is if it is indeed NOT the similium, and has been merely mistaken as such by the prescriber, or, if the patient is in need of the ISOmilium.

'If I can't cure a patient I try to expose his body to strangest of the strangest materia. Could be Mercury or Antimony or Cyanide for him but not for all.'
Is this not what we all do, and the latter part of your assertion the whole basis of remedy individualization?

'We are already exposed to thousands of materia in varous potencies as pollution.'
We are? Please explain. I think you are confusing mere dilution with Homoeopathic potency.

'Graphites used to work as a great potent medicine about a hundred years ago but it does not work at all because it is a household material these days, our body is already exposed to it in all possible potencies -(again you are confusing mere dilution with potency)-, same thing is with petroleum..."
-Rereads- Erm, what? Have actually fully treated a chronic case before? An awful lot of the remedies required to affect cure, are those to which the patient has been exposed!
For example, I have had ex car mechanics who have been exposed to Petroleum all their lives, yet needed the substance in potency to relieve their conditions, the same I have found true of Kreosotum (in fence painters and gardeners), Chlorine in ex swimming pool attendants, Silicea in stone cutters (which is actually common knowledge, and listed in the majority of mat meds!), and even graphites in artists who use this substance to draw, myself being an example! I could go on with numerous examples. What about patients who have reacted badly to allopathic drugs, who require a potency of the offending substance? All these things are in our everyday environment, yet they do not affect everyone who merely comes into contact with them. Each individual will react differently to substances, and It matters not so much what we are exposed to, but what we are exposed to WHICH AFFECTS US as individuals, and when this is the case, only the Isomilium will cure, and this will occur regardless of continued exposure.

Your experiments therefore, I am afraid are quite flawed.


-Jacob.
 
Hahnemania last decade
Dear Rajiv

I was born on October 19th 1929.

Thank you for your kind thoughts and you may like to know that I have dedicated the rest of my life to helping those who consult me with my own brand of Homeopathy which is now accepted as Joepathy.

I agree with you completely that if only others too are more caring in their daily lives the world would be a far better place to live in. It is unfortunate that in homeopathic circles there still exists that aura of exclusivity which is, I believe, the real reason why Homeopathy does not achieve the status that medicine enjoys today. I believe that the many critics that have voiced their opinions against my therapy have done so as they wish to keep this science at the higher levels that the successors of Hahnemann have elevated it to, with that aura of mystery that a homeopath usually commands from his patients which originates in the standard procedure involved in the classical case taking process. I do not write off this process but I maintain the the human mind cannot do justice to identifying that one remedy that will help the patient according to the tenets of classical homeopathy without the assistance of Homeopathic Software like Radar which I too use when necessary. I state this as the choice of this single remedy cannot possibly be identified from the many thousands that are available as the odds against the correct choice being made even by the most experienced homeopath are a million to one and cannot possibly be done mentally. This is where the software can be relied upon if the strict application of the classical theory has to be successfully implemented.

In my case I have evidence to prove that the majority of practicing homeopaths in the Indian sub continent use the same direct method that I too use to identify a remedy as it is absolutely impossible for those who see over 20 patients per day to spend at least an hour per patient with the classical system. The unfortunate result of the application of the classical system without the software is that the patient is usually given a remedy that suits his 'picture' and he goes back home in the fond hope that the remedy will help him at least in some small way and that when he reports back to the homeopath which is usually in a week that he would have some visible alleviation of his ailment. This is sadly not the case and many patients who have gone through this routine have informed me that in spite of the hour long interview that they had with their classical homeopath the remedy that they got did not have the slightest effect to help their ailment. In some instances I was informed that their ailment flared up and caused greater discomfort than what they already were suffering from. I have so many similar reports when these patients consulted me that I often wondered what the real reason was for these classical types to use a technique that they knew was faulty especially when dealing with the standard ailments that afflict people like GERD, Asthma, Eczema to name only 3 which I seem to have the gift of healing in a few days, or in the case of Asthma in a few hours. I realize that when a classical homeopath reads my viewpoint, he will immediately predict the usual doom and gloom scenario which the poor patient will, according to him, suffer from with a long time prediction of the possible results of consulting me, a non qualified homeopath, who has a background of using the direct approach in the alleviation of suffering. It is just my sense of directly approaching a problem in life coupled to my originality in doing so that has helped me to attain this status in my life and I believe in sharing my discoveries especially in homeopathy with others so that those who are not prejudiced will open their minds to the possibility of using a non classical alternative to the methods they use to cure their patients.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade

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