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Recent cases of Homeopathy Terrorism. Convert to Classical Homeopathy or Die.

Funny thing is that recently we saw Classical Homeopathy Terrorism episodes here. Basically message was
Convert to Classical or Die.

Unfortunate for them this site exists in the free side of the world, not in some Theocratic state.

People who demand Pure, Khalis, Pak are the biggest troublemakers of the world.
Still fools kill peple based upon some alien dogma like Maoism, Communism or Theoisms etc.

I have seen in my life a good doctor a bad doctor. A good enginner a bad engineer a bad engineer.
A good shoe man a bad shoeman.

Converting to a classical homeopathy does not coronate one to the Khalis/Pure/Pak/Holy Homeopathy.

Ofcourse fools exists in the world and if they start practicine classic homeopathy, not neccessary they would become good homeopaths.

Treating with homeopathy is totally and individual phenomenon. Needs instincts, intelligence, patience, politeness, compassion and many more qualities.

In India where I came from, we have an utter idiot shoeman (motchi). He happened to be my good friend because
once I treated him. Anytime he see me in that town, comes to my home and takes all the shoes that need repairs.

Last time he took my wife's shoes, I ran after him and pleaded him not to do surgery upon that shoe but then
it became neccessary for him to repair that shoe.

Now next day that shoe came back, black shoe with shinning florescent white sole.

I said, 'That could be little problem'.
He replied, 'Don't look at the color, shoe will last forever.'

Anyway he took the shoe back and painted the sole black with black boot polish.

God knows where he obtained white sole rubber, it is rare commodity for shoemakers.


So I was thinking if we train that showman to Classical Homeopathy, would he become a good doctor.

I leave the answer to readers....
 
  kuldeep on 2006-10-20
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Sharing information is not terrorism.

Readers can read both types of arguments, in favour and against homeopathy.

Later on they can decide.

Certain intricate aspects of Homeopathy are not known to majority of common people.

The purpose is to enable them to make informed choices.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
'kuldeep', bhayya,

Indirectly, YOU would be implying that 'CONVERT TO .JOEPATHY. or Die'

- People want the best of the scotch to drink and not horse-pis.
- People want the best breed of the dog to keep as a pet and not a street dog.
- Stud farms would want pure Arabic Studs and not trotters or donkeys.
- People want the best cloths and not tatters.
- People want rich foods and not mongrels feed.
- People would want to live by the sea-side and not by a marshy creek.
- Poeple would wish to live in a mansion and not in a mud-hut.
- A man would want a good wife and not a street-walker.
- People would want to visit the best exotic destinations and not down-trodden lanes.
- People would want to wear Gold & Diamonds and not Zinc & river-side pebbles,
- People would a Sony Television and not a back-yard TV set.
- People would want to have the very best Wines and not country-toddy.
- People would want to get treated / operated from trained medicos and not 'q u a c k s'.


Not everybody prefers a Patiala Peg. Those who do so have their own very limited limitations. That is they are very much limited in knowledge and intelligence, sadistic attitudes, moral values, social values, family values, chronic liars coupled with suspicious and pent-up jealousy.

ONLY incompetent homeopaths who can't treat the classical way will justify the non-classical way of homeopathy. That (self-glorifying'ly A.D.D.) becomes very obvious for them to defend or justify the non-classical way of treatment.

WOULD competent homeopath's COMMENT on the above.

(ASSURED) More to follow ... IF the discussion falls in way.

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
 
Nesha-India last decade
Nesha Ben, exactly that's what I said.

Make an idiot shoe man a classical homeopath. This does not make him a good homeopath.

A classical homeopath might be an utter fool person in real life and a non classical homeopathy might be a wiser person in real life.

It depends upon just many things. Just being a classical homeopath does not mean a superior homeopath.

This does not make one holier then thou.

In each and every case Nesha is prescribing Thyroidium and recommending Thyroid tests done. In each and everycase she is recommending cell salts. This is called Neshapathy.
I am not against it either. Mankind needs all pathies, joe, allo, homeo or nesha.
 
kuldeep last decade
Dear Kuldeep

I am indeed grateful to you for having started this thread which I hope will be the subject of discussion among classical homeopathic circles that would like to open their case hardened minds to a breath of fresh air in their thinking. It is strange that an engineer and a business executive have to spearhead this ideology which I am sure will be met with scorn by the classical homeopaths merely because it suits them to be exclusive in their general attitude to the homeopathy that they have been brainwashed into believing as being the only path to a cure.

It is just the fact that I have been at the butt end of a continuous series of attacks during the past few years and now from two classical and a pseudo classical female member that concentrated the intensity of their attacks on my own concept of using homeopathic remedies during the past week that I decided to post my thoughts on the subject Classical versus Non classical homeopathy, now also known as Joepathy.

I would like to copy an email that I received yesterday from a classical homeopath who is a well known practitioner in India and is also a lecturer on the subject in Indian Homeopathic universities. He is also the author of many books on Homeopathy and I believe that his frank opinion may also add to my argument.

'Dear Mr. Joe,
77th Birthday might the beginning of your new commitment in this life. You have along way to go. Forget the neo- classicals, Many of them are only mongrels. I used to say my students here that unfortunately we inherited a legendry who had no hesitation to eat the vomitus of their teachers and we do the same thing with out any shame and call our self most modern, scientific etc. Criticizing any thing more than t the Poor Hahnemann told has become a fashion of these neo- group. Science teaches us to see factual and up date the knowledge. I am for changing concepts if realistic. Dogmas are curse in Homoeopathy. That my be one reason I found good in you and need your patronage to develop the system. We can make efforts to take the system forward. Lot of things are to be done. Let you have good health, new ideas and charisma. Best Wishes.'

I have often in the past endeavoured to gently open the minds of the classical sect to the obvious distortion of the truth that has been the message that they have been conveying through their lectures to the students under their tutelage in the homeopathic colleges and also of course on the homeopathic forums. I believe that the email from my friend says it all. He is qualified and has sufficient experience in the use of Homeopathy to be able to pontificate on the use of Homeopathic remedies to help suffering humanity and you will observe that he too seems to be sick and tired of the subterfuge that has been continued by the homeopathic colleges even though their alumni may not use the classical approach for various reasons including the fact that the time taken to help a patient may be made unnecessarily long due to the standard case taking procedure. Eventually this classical homeopath will resort to my own 'this for that' approach as he would perhaps have had experience in the use of
this direct method especially for simple ailments that do not require any lengthy investigational procedure as the homeopath may have treated many similar cases which have responded to the remedy that is prescribed.

I have often been criticized by the classical sect for my Joepathy as it has been suggested by them as being so dangerous that it can cause other unknown diseases either immediately or many years into the future. I am sure that they do all know that these predictions of gloom and doom are completely unfounded but they still feel that they have to keep up this pretense as they feel that they must defend their 'faith' for fear that their classical system may suffer some erosion which may shake its foundations, otherwise.

I would like to call upon the classical homeopaths who are only too quick to criticize me to read the many hundreds of posts on this forum where patients whom I have treated for various ailments have posted the success of my therapy as this may serve to open their eyes to the realities of using my Joepathy which is, I believe the most logical system to use a remedy to help cure an ailment.

Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe

You are a threat to a dogma.

First they attack you.
Then they justify by saying:
Why Joepathy works.

Then they take great efforts to disprove: Why Arnica works.

We will bleed them dry.

Take my words.
 
kuldeep last decade
Is Arnica safe for everybody?

Joe you made Arnica a matter of this great debate.
 
kuldeep last decade
We have already made a difference.

Now people are becoming bold enough to ask for justifications for the prescriptions.

They are becoming bold enough to tell you on your face that your medicine is not working.

Prescribers are shying away, from suggesting repeated doses for months together.

Multiple prescriptions are rarely seen in the last few days.

This is what we wanted, and it is happening.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Joe is here, I am here, about whom are you talking?
 
kuldeep last decade
I am talking in plain English.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy...the more I read your comments....more convinced I get....you will need Arnica for your 'High BP' !!
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I know what is best for me.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Since Murthy has made a pointed reference to how he fondly imagines that he has succeeded in frightening away all other homeopaths who have spent many years on this and other homeopathic forums to help those who visit it in the hope of a cure, I shall again return to this debate.

He probably feels that he is the sole purveyor of classical homeopathy on this and his Hpathy forum while all others are just not worthy of even being present on the ABC. I have read that the credentials of the Hpathy forum which he stated was the foremost and most popular Homeopathic forum in the world and one has only to visit it to realize the factual position and to also realize in what a dreamworld he lives in. The average posts on his Hpathy forum average 4 per day with none on many days. He may be interested to count the number of posts that were the daily posted at the time that I was a daily visitor on it to realize that I too helped in some way to keep the posts coming in with my own Joepathy which word had not been coined at that time. He must realize that it is the free exchange of views and therapies that make members to visit and read the posts on a forum and his present attitude to convert the ABC to the Hyper classical level will not be permitted by the membership who, I can see are gradually changing their attitude to classical homeopathy as the majority of those who post here have been fleeced by this classical membership and still bear the scars of their tender care which has only made their ailments worse.

It seems to me obvious that classical homeopathy will die a natural death as many homeopaths themselves who are diploma holders or have even studied at higher levels have finally opened their eyes to the farce that is being perpetrated by the classical schools to maintain the status quo. I believe that classical types like Murthy who are only able to pontificate in writing to promote their own brand of homeopathy will be a dying breed in a few years as no one will take any notice of their rantings which only stay at that level -- rantings.

It is indeed a matter of concern that his presence on this forum since he returned to it about a month ago on a daily basis has only been with the avowed intention of shooing away the patient who may have posted his ailment on it after he had already consulted classical homeopaths who had not been of any help to them. I have in the past treated many patients on this forum who have publicly confirmed that this was in fact the case and were grateful for the therapy that I had prescribed which had helped them.

I do really wonder what the real reason is for Murthy's constant daily presence on this forum as he seems to have taken leave of his official Hpathy forum. I wonder if he has fallen out with Manish Bhatia on some fundamental issues which may have gone against the views of the owner.

Someone observed that Murthy had not prescribed even one remedy to a sick patient but has been in the habit of warning the patient who was being treated by me or someone else, that the particular therapy was incorrect or what is worse even dangerous. He then proceeds to order the poor suffering patient to visit a classical homeopath who as Kuldeep mentioned may be a 'dud' homeopath, meaning a homeopath who may not know his onions.

I would like to reassure Murthy that we have managed very nicely without his help so far on the ABC, for over 3 years in my case, to help thousands of patients and I have done so very successfully. I do not see any need for his self appointed crusade which seems to give him some vicarious satisfaction from warning the patient of the 'doom and gloom' syndrome that must surely follow our therapies that have a proven track record of success.

He fondly imagines that patients have been saved by him from the therapies that we have all suggested to our patients and I can on behalf of the many prescribers on this ABC Forum reassure him that he is only deluding himself that he has been the 'saviour' of the thousands of patients here. If proof is needed he has only to read the posts of both the patients and the prescribers here to whom this constant bickering by him is a matter of concern as at least in my case I am compelled to refute the wild allegations that he made directly against me which he later decided not to continue which I appreciate as i am a man of peace an do resent that 'holier than thou' attitude that some adopt due to some quirk in their imagination which I believe is in itself an ailment which others may like to indicate some remedy that may help him. I do not enjoy attacking anyone but if and when the opportunity presents itself I have no option but to respond which I usually do with all guns blazing which usually has the desired effect. I can affirm that I have never in my long life ever caused any pain of mind intentionally but if anyone does do so to me, I go out like our Sri Lanka army is now doing to the LTTE tigers, with their Multi Barrel Rocket Launchers which wreak untold destruction to the enemy.

As for Murthy's statement that multiple prescriptions are not being used for fear of his censure, I can assure him that I always use them when I consider them essential. I shall record a few for his information below:

GERD -- Nat Phos and Arnica
Fistula -- Silicea, Arnica, Nat Phos and the Antibiotic Ointment
Diabetes -- Arnica and Cinnamon powder

And many others that I do not wish to bore members with.

It is this supercilious attitude that frankly annoys me and the sooner that Murthy will condescend to put his money where his mouth is, by prescribing for the ailments of those who post here, the better for all of us. He may have his own theories and methods of prescribing, and so do we. We do not wish to force him to accept our therapies and in the same manner we expect him not to interfere with ours.

I consider it our right to be left in peace to help our members with the therapy that we are convinced will help them without interference from him.

In closing I would like to dissect his statements with my response below his.


'We have already made a difference. '
I do not see any.

'Now people are becoming bold enough to ask for justifications for the prescriptions.'
I did not notice any.If any patient is not satisfied with the therapy that I have advised, he is free to stop it and use any other. He must remember that all therapies advised are done free of charge and in my case I also give the remedies for any ailment to the patient free of charge.

'They are becoming bold enough to tell you on your face that your medicine is not working.'
Many patients have in the past done so to me and I have then suggested a change of the therapy. This is quite common in homeopathic and allopathic practice as in the event of one remedy or drug not working, it is obvious that the physician is in duty bound to use another.

'Prescribers are shying away, from suggesting repeated doses for months together. '
This would imply that the prescribers on the ABC have retired due to fear of Murthy's censure. It is a shame that he should consider himself as being the sole purveyor of his Hyper classical stance in homeopathy and I believe that he is only deluding himself in doing so and he may be surprised when others too support me.

'Multiple prescriptions are rarely seen in the last few days'
I have dealt with this point above.

'This is what we wanted, and it is happening. '
Nothing has happened which I consider extraordinary except that Murthy has forced me to waste my time on this rebuttal.

Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe

This is the number of visitors at www.hpath.com, a few minutes before.

'193 Active Users at Hpathy'

As to your surmise that I have fallen out with Dr.Bhatia, nothing of that sort happened, and we still work together.

I am still posting at Hpathy forums, and still discharging my duties as a moderator there. Just go there and see.

Whatever may be your reservations, my presence here will continue in the best interests of the patients.

I am not doing anything against the policies of this forum, and in fact trying to bring awareness of the small print, which many patients fail to notice, as they are in a hurry.

I again say, you continue in your own way, I will continue in my own way, and let people decide.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Yeeeh kya hua ! ...kab hua !
.....Dr. Bhatia nai kya kiya ??
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Log tho kuch kahenge..

Kahna hi unka kam..

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I think it should be

Kuch tho loag kahenge..

Kahana hi unka kam..

A very good song indeed.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Please translate.

I do not read Hindi.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Mr. Murthy became a Self proclaimed Homeopathy Constable.

Poking his snout in each post, terrorizing patient and his only counter prescription to patients is:

Go see a classical homeopath.

Even if the nearest accessible Classical Homeopath is dud fool shoe man.
 
kuldeep last decade
see the thread 'Heavy periods'

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Yes Dear Murthy, in that post you have refined your words.

There you attached 'Compitent Classcal Homeopat' word.

I see it as an evolution. Hope one day you will just drop all fancy words and tell patient to see a Good Homeopath with Good Success Rate.
 
kuldeep last decade
Not in that post. Look again.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Sometimes patient's first 100 words dictate his mind picture so prescription goes that way.

When you read a post, patient's words, style, emotions, pain also present a picture.

In old India there were pulse experts, few days ago I visited a pulse expert in Meerut and spent few hours watching him. Amazingly he diagonosed almost all patients by just pulse. There is a 4 days wait to see him.

There are just two kinds of physicians a Good and a Bad. That's all. Many times patient was cured because he just presented one keynote.

Last year I was about to board a train in India, a man was inspecting corners and pointing to sharp objects all around. Cauting peole to stay away from sharp object.

I sat with that man, he was a physical and mental mess. We became friends in the journey. I told him to take Silica and gave him my email address.

Today he is best friend and full of thanks.

Mr Murthy it is not wise to go to post to post and threat and terrorize a patient. You may not see what other has seen, you may not feel what other has felt.

Politely you can leave your second opinion.

First I never poke my snout in other's posts. Second thing is that what other is prescribing, most of the times I do not agree but open up the book to reacces my own judgement. Amazingly I discover why other is correct. Probably he did his own homework. This way I learn more.

Last day when Erica prescribed Sepia, I checked why she did that and amazingly she was correct.

Some time people leave their second opinon, they politely say, if this prescription fails, thy this one.

There is no need to terrorize the patient or prescriber.
 
kuldeep last decade
So, now you agree I am capable of offering second opinion.

well. I can offer first opinion too.

It is not terrorising the prescriber. It is showing the inadequacies of their thinking process.

They can always counter my analysis, without stooping down to personal invectives.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I never questioned your ability to cure. You can cure, I can cure too.

When I see you are a threat to my lifestyle, I do something to neutralize this threat.

In India snake charmers do carry cobras, but their poison teeth removed and gland drenched periodically (for a profit and benefit)
 
kuldeep last decade
'kuldeep', bhaaya,

In your last post, YOU said the following :

'few days ago I visited a pulse expert in Meerut'


NOW, for the record, let me tell you that I am consistently tracking your I.P. posting's on this forum, continusly since 45 days AND nowhere there is posting posted from an I.P. that belongs to India region.

My questions to you :
- Are you lying, If Yes, for what.
- You are posting from a non-india region on a daily basis, as per the I.P. I'm tracking.
- If you never no-where in Meerut since the last 45 days, then why did you lie to 'murthy' that you visited Meerut 'A FEW DAYS AGO'.

You are requested to refrain from such chronic lying. Not good for your old age. Try to be more truthful. God's watching you and your lying.

Remain Healthy & Happy ....... Nesha-India
 
Nesha-India last decade

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