joe delivera - are you there?

To Orange B

I am naturally delighted to learn that the Arnica therapy that I have often prescribed to others has helped you to arrest your falling hair.

As you perhaps are already aware I and 3 other prescribers on the ABC have been subjected to a lot of unnecessary criticizm by 3 new members who are trying to take over the ABC. Your post confirming that you were helped is important to prove to these other members that my therapy which has attained the unenviable title 'Joepathy' can also help patients. This is in direct contrast to the opinion of these others who are critical of me that my method of using standard homeopathic remedies can even be dangerous to the patients. This is of course utter rubbish.

You are advised to continue your Arnica therapy and you will soon have a full head of hair which you have lost when your baby was born and this is indeed surprising as I have always noticed that pregnancy brings about rapid growth of hair which in your case has not occurred.

I am copying your first post on the ABC which I dug up from the archives to ensure that members will know the outcome of my Joepathy as it has helped your sons Asthma which I hope is now OK.


Joe De Livera - Asthma help please
From orangeblossom on 2006-09-29
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dear joe,

I am new to this forum but have been reading the posts for a while now. i noticed that most posts are addressed to you and was awed to see how many people you have helped so far. i also noticed that you help them free of charge, selflessly, successfully and encourage posting here rather than your email so that others can benefit.

as the title indicates, i am looking for help for asthma of my son who will be 6 in november. he has eczema and asthma both. i have tried the arnica 6c for his eczema but he did not benefit from it. i have tried different other remedies as well, but always have to go back to steroids for his skin disorder.

as a result of suppressing his eczema he has ashtma frequently and i will try to write the symptoms as clearly as possible. one thing i want to stress on very much is his allergies. he has multiple food allergies plus environmental allergies. he has grass, pollen, dust mites, stuffed animal, fish, nuts, wheat, soy, milk allergies. you name it, he has it. now that he is going to school he is no longer under a protected environment anymore and has frequent attakcs because he is exposed to all the triggers. he has asthma attack almost everyweek and they make him so weak and fragile. he is underweight, skinny and always looks tired. he cannot run, he cannot have ice-cream or anything cold, he is being deprived of all the fun that kids of his age enjoy.

as soon as he is exposed to any of the triggers, his nose starts having watery discharge - nonstop. that is my first indication that he is going to have an attack. soon he starts coughing and sneezing continuously. the frequency of the cough increases and soon he is only coughing and coughing. dry, hard, loud coughs. his chest and stomach hurts. his throat hurts and he cries in pain. nebulisers and inhalers help him for the time being but it always comes back in a few days.

Joe, i am so so frustrated as a mother. it breaks my heart to see my boy so weak and sad all the time. he is a happy boy, but always sick. i read shiny's post with great interest and was amazed at how you helped him despite his reluctance. your zeal to help others benefitted mihir to such a grt extent. yesterday nite, my son had another attack and now he is in bed coughing and wheezing. i am started him on nat sulp therapy yesterday night. he had the attack nevertheless because i think it took me some time to go to the store and get the medicine. i am going to give it tonite again and report back.

i also noted that you advice on keeping ars alb 200c. it will take me some time for me to get this remedy, we dont have homeopathy stores where i live in the US.

Joe, I am begging for your help. i know you are busy, i know its long distance. but please help my son out of his misery. I am new to this forum but have been reading the posts for a while. i have faith in homeopathy and have seen how people 'develop' faith in you. please monitor my son;s case and give him a better life.

Re: Joe De Livera - Asthma help please From Joe De Livera on 2006-09-29
To Orange B

I can sense the trauma that you are daily undergoing with you son.

I am glad to note that you have read the 2 other relevant posts of Shiny and Fauzia and you now know the therapy that I have recommended which has worked for their children. I presume that you are aware that it may take a few days before your boy can get some relief but in the case of both children of the mothers above, there seemed to be almost immediate relief when their respective children were able to breathe easily and did not require their inhalers and other steroids any more.

The remedy I have used successfully in both cases is Nat Sulph 6c which is to be given in a teaspoonful just once daily. After you have used it for a few days and when you have some noticeable improvement in his Asthma, you can then change over to the Split dose which I believe you already know how to make.

You will also keep some Ars Alb 200 in the dry dose pellets which you will keep on standby just in case he gets an attack for which you would normally have used the inhaler or nubulizer which will not be needed any more. Just 4 pellets under the tongue will stop the attack in about 15 minutes and he will be able to breathe easily.

As for his Eczema which you state has not been helped by Arnica 6c, I feel that the Asthma comes first. You can continue to give him a teaspoonful twice daily and you can use the new technique that I have recently discovered of dabbing the lesions with the water remedy from the bottle often to keep them wet as this too helps with the Arnica 6c in the wet dose which you can also give him as indicated.

You are welcome to keep me posted with your boy's response and I would ask you and your husband to not lose hope that he will soon be helped and hopefully cured.

You may investigate the possibility of some foods like milk or wheat products that may exacerbate his Eczema and Asthma and it is up to you to figure out if there is connection.

I would recommend that he is not given any drugs and creams that you have been using in the past for his ailments.

Re: Joe De Livera - Asthma help please From orangeblossom on 2006-09-29
thank you for writing back. we had a tough day so far. my son had a very serious attack today and had to take the nebuliser and the inhalers. i know homeopathy takes time and since his case is very acute, i am going to be very patient. i will give him nat sulph in the wet dose every night and keep you informed.
i will take your advice and also try to avoid some of the food mentioned. meanwhile i will try to order ars alb online since its not available in the stores here. i will also try to make asthma the priority now and treat it before i focus on his eczema.

i truly appreciate your help and guidance and will keep you informed of my son's health condition.

Re: Joe De Livera - Asthma help please From Joe De Livera on 2006-09-30
To Orange B

Please visit:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/82995/

I would like to ask Mr De LIvera a few questions here, if I may, quite 'respectfully'.

1/. On what grounds do you assert that asthma comes before Eczema, when both Hahnemann and 200 years of experience have taught us the complete opposite.
2/. How can Arnica actually CURE (rather than palliate or supress) either of these conditions (which of course have the same cause, a chronic miasm), when both conditions are of a chronic nature, and Arnica is by no means an anti-miasmatic drug, but purely a superficially acting acute?

Your attention to these questions will be greatly appreciated.


-Jacob.

Hi

We too are not happy with the fights going on here.

Why people should take it amiss if someone tells that nat.sulph is not the remedy, for all types of Asthma, and start a tirade against those who say it?

In your son's case, it is not homeopathy that failed. It is the prescriber who failed.

'This for that' is not homeopathy. The earlier we understand this, the better for all of us ,in terms of health, as then we look forward to get treated in a proper way.

Murthy

To Orange B

I am sorry to note that your son's Asthma did not respond to the Nat Sulph 6c therapy that I presume you used precisely in the manner that I had prescribed. It is a pity that you did not keep me posted with his non response and also the aggravation of his Eczema as I could have prescribed an alternative for him which I would like to do even now although rather late in the day.

If you are still willing to stay with Homeopathy you can use the same Nat Sulph 6c in the SPLIT dose which is made by inserting a teaspoonful of the remedy into a half cup of water and giving the patient a teaspoonful from the water in the cup. This dilutes the remedy still further and may just help. If after you use the Split Dose it still does not respond, I shall then change over to another remedy which you can use first in the Wet Dose.

I would first like to treat the Asthma and when it responds, we can then treat the Eczema.

I am humbled to read your observations about me and the part that I played on this forum which I believe I would be correct is stating owes it phenomenal rise to the involvement of people like me and my 'band of prescribers' who once upon a time had no interference from others whom I used to help in my own manner with my Joepathy which strangely enough worked, sometimes in a manner that some have considered miraculous.

I too am amazed that it has turned out to be the battle field that it is today and I believe that this is due to the weakness of the moderator Simon Broadley who does not seem to be capable of fulfilling his DUTY in keeping the rabble out. There is nothing that I can do except stay on it in spite of the taunts of the rabble who only pretend to be homeopaths but do not put their money where their mouth is and prove that they too are capable of helping those who post to a cure. I am doing so as there are so many hundred of patients whom I have helped in my own way who still depend on me to help them which I feel it is my duty to do in spite of this unpleasantness where you will notice in the post immediately above yours a pseudo homeopath who admits that he is NOT qualified still persists in taunting me. He has admitted in a post that he only has worked under another homeopath who has left him with the practice and he continues to treat his teachers patients presumably because she is no more. I have not objection to his continuing with his work but it must be remembered that people who live in glass houses must not throw stones. You will observe that he is back after he was banned a few times from the ABC by Simon and still persists in questioning me when he could also try to help your son's asthma with he vast experience (according to him) of homeopathy which he is practicing without a license which can even land him in jail in the UK where a fee levying homeopath has to be licensed to do so.

I do hope that your post will reach the eyes of those who have benefitted from my advice and that they too will voice their comments on what they feel is going wrong with this forum.

Do keep me posted with your son's response to the Split dose.

Joe De Livera

If people stick to answering the questions rised, instead of counter questioning, and stop ascribing motives to others who question them, and if they avoid self glorifying statements which are not true, and stop making misleading statements, without knowing the facts, and stick to prescribing alone, however incompetent it may be, some of these unnecessary posts can be avoided.

However,keeping quiet is better than giving a wrong/useless prescription.

Others who are more capable may attempt to give a proper prescription.

Murthy

Murthy

No one is preventing you from parading your standard formula of how my prescriptions are dangerous for any patient. It may seem very strange to you that they have in fact done so although I am aware that you are on the look out for any post where you can justify your hope that I will fail to cause any serious damage which has not happened so far.

You are advised to try out your antics on this thread and see who will believe you.

It seems pathetic to all of us and this included my patients and me that you still persist in continuing this constant harassment on the ABC which you can now do secure in the knowledge that Simon will turn a blind eye to your inane posts.

Please note however that if you increase your level of obvious hatred that you bear against me which is perhaps due to jealousy and the frustration that you feel with your increasing inability to make people believe you, I shall retaliate at the same level of your insults with added interest which as you noted in the past few days, I am quite adept at dishing out to people like you.

I must admit that I am simply amazed at your attitude which seems to me to be so very unbecoming of a person who only pretends to be a Homeopath whose primary requirement is LOVE without which all the therapy you can give will fail.

I thank Dr.Luc, one of the classical homeopaths, whom you despise as a class , who made your 'this for that' prescriptions, equal to nothing but water, for those who are not suscptible to it.

Regarding your comment of paying back with interest, I got tired of hearing it. Coin some new phrase.

Murthy

Murthy

You are only making a public exposure of your warped mind where you seem not to be able to even think straight.

I note that you have even brought Luc into your post. You may like to know that it is to him that I owe my conversion to the wet dose which I had only read about but had never tried till Luc used it on the patients that he treated.

' I thank Dr.Luc, one of the classical homeopaths, whom you despise as a class , who made your 'this for that' prescriptions, equal to nothing but water, for those who are not suscptible to it. '

Would you like to elaborate ?

Yes. Very gladly. I will open a seperate thread at my convenience.

It has been long pending, and I will do it in the next few hours.

Murthy

'If people stick to answering the questions rised, instead of counter questioning, and stop ascribing motives to others who question them,'

Indeed. Oh well, I guess if there is no basis for such assertions, there can be no answers.

And of course Homoeopathy will work whether or not it is prescribed with 'love', this is what makes it a medical science. At the same time even if it IS prescribed with 'love', but incorrectly, it will still cause harm to the patient.

'Love' does not conquer all in the field of medical science, neither will it protect a patient from harmful prescriptions.


-Jacob.

Also fo course, AGAIN, one of the regulars here has introduced an air of personal diatribe into the discussion, without any provocation whatsoever. It should be obvious to everyone including the Moderator here who is keeping such arguments going, as stated right from the start.

Challenging assertions which are contrary to ones own knowledge are part of discussion, and if those who make such assertions have no logical basis for doing so, and therefore cannot answer such questions, they will become defensive and resort to comments of a personal nature, which IS how all this began, and not from our side either.


-Jacob.

Dear Joe

I answered your question, how Dr.luc came into the picture in a seperate thread.

you are welcome to ask any questions/clarifications.

i will be too willing to continue the discussion there.

No personal comments/ lectures regarding classical homeopathy verses joepathy please.

point to point discussion is most welcome.

Murthy