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Nothing Natural Is Lowering My Blood Sugar

Greetings Everyone,
For many months now I suspected I had Diabetes, as I had all the classic symptoms, but because I have no health insurance and could not afford a Doctors visit I never went to check. Being one to always take my health in my own hands, I purchased a glucose meter on my own and started testing my blood. My blood sugar is indeed high, and usually in the 250-300 range. Since I prefer natural solutions to medicines and am afraid of the side effects and damage diabetes meds can cause the liver and kidney, I purchased the following natural products to help me, and I will list how much I take daily.

Salacia Oblonga - 1000mg twice a day 30 minutes before meals
Himalaya Diabecon DS - 1 pill twice a day 30 minutes before meals
Himalaya Karela (bitter melon) - 1000mg twice a day 30 minutes before meals
Vitabase Blood Sugar Formula - 1 pill twice a day 30 minutes before meals
Fenugreek - 2.44 grams twice a day 30 minutes before meals
Gymnema Sylvestre - 800mg twice a day 30 minutes before meals
The Joe De Livera formula of Arnica & Cinnamon to lower blood sugar, except I increased the Arnica to 200c since I had other issues it might help with. And the Cinnamon formula was 1000mg plus 100mcg of Chromium, twice a day 30 minutes before meals. I also take the arnica pellets without the water, in addition to what Joe recommended.

And I am sorry to report that none of these things lowered my blood sugar after taking them for a week. I had to stop the Salacia Oblonga as it was giving me horrible GI distress. When I wake up my blood sugar is usually about 170. I have been eating low carb because it seems any carbs, no matter what kind they are, will elevate my blood sugar. And I only have been consuming 4 teaspoons of sugar in my coffee a day mixed with Stevia, as I cannot tolerate stevia or any other natural sugar substitute by itself.

Needless to say I am incredibly dissapointed that after spending all this money on the products, they are not helping me, and now I am afraid I will be left with no choice but to take medicine or just do the best I can with elevated blood sugar and hope my organs don't get too damaged.

Is there anything else out there that might help me? I realize everyone is different so you can't expect everything to work for everyone, but after taking so many different products, I am incredibly depressed that nothing is working. I am also quite sick of swallowing so many pills and spending all this money on products that do nothing. Thank you all for your time.
 
  Nightbird on 2010-09-08
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
I note that you have referred to the therapy I prescribe for Diabetes and you state that you are taking Arnica 200c in the dry pellets with Cinnamon 1000mg. You have discovered that they have not helped and this is not at all surprising.

I also note that you are taking a variety of other drugs which I am not familiar with and if you would like me to take your case, please complete the patient's questionnaire on:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/43416/

Also confirm that you will STOP all other drugs and medication you are taking.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Sorry you have spent money without a good result. That's always disappointing isn't it? I am assuming that you are following a low GI diet, having a lot of fiber with your breakfast and eating 5 meals daily? Do you take any sort of whole food fiber supplement like ground hemp/flax seeds and psyllium? You say that you drink coffee, but I would say to avoid stimulants altogether to help stabilize your glandular system. Plus coffee interferes with any homeopathic preparation.
Sorry that the cinnamon didn't seem to work....it combined with fennel taken before bed really helped my partner. He also takes the cell salt Nat Phos to help with acidity and thirst. So I do not have any homeopathic thoughts really, but just wanted to share what is working for my partner who has a pre-diabetic constitution.
 
Daniellie last decade
Joe,
You misunderstood me. I did indeed follow your therapy of using the 3 pellets dissolved in 500ml of water, shaken, and taken with Cinnamon. In ADDITION to that I also took the dry pellets as well to help with other issues -sadly this therapy did nothing, neither did the dry pellets.

None of the products I mentioned I take are medicines, they are all natural herbal formulas, some Ayurvedic like the Diabecon DS, and you can google them to see for yourself. I do not take any drugs or medicines.

I will take a look at the questionnaire you mentioned. Once I fill it out where do I send it?

Daniellie,
Yes, I am following a good diet, and the coffee I drink is Decaf. I do not take any stimulants. As for fiber I take Glucommanan. I may give the Fennel a try, but I'm just sick of taking so many herbal pills at the moment.
 
Nightbird last decade
Update: I have cut almost all carbohydrates from my diet, and yesterday my fasting blood sugar was 139, and 167 two hours after eating a very low carb meal. I also worked out for 1 hour on my exercise bike and 1 hour on a treadmill. I don't know how long I can keep this low carb diet/high exercise routine up, but will try since none of the herbs or therapies I mentioned in my first post are working for me.
 
Nightbird last decade
The standard therapy I prescribe which many thousands of Diabetics have used successfully is Arnica 6c in the Wet dose taken twice daily.

I note that you have used the higher potency 200c and used the standard dry pellets but if you wish to get some support from the Arnica you must follow the therapy aka 'Joepathy' that I have prescribed. Your strenuous exercise routine is not essential at the level you describe but if you feel that you can continue with it, you can do so but you are advised not to eliminate carbs as this can prove counterproductive.

You will not take coffee, canned beverages, preserved meats like sausage, ham, bacon (Saltpeter) and drink at least 3 ltrs water daily.

Please follow the protocol precisely as listed below and indicate your BS level in 48 hours.

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in a 5ml Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this shaking must be done every time before sipping a capful of the bottle twice daily

You have not completed the form on the link I gave you which is repeated below. You can copy and paste it on this thread. This information is essential for me to evaluate your case. Please also indicate your Blood Pressure and have a full Blood test for your Lipid Profile.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/43416/
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Joe,
I read in another thread where you recommended Arnica 30c in your wet dose therapy, and now you are saying you recommend 6c -which is it? The reason I chose Arnica 200c is because the ABC Homeopathy site recommended using a higher dose to jump start your system, especially if you have more than one problem. Since you first recommended Arnica 30c, and now Arnica 6c, I would imagine the strength wouldn't matter that much. Either way, the Arnica 200c strength in a wet dose should have helped me.

However, after following your wet dose therapy, it did not help me at all, so either this means the Arnica is not effective for this condition or I am in that percentage you state is not helped by your therapy.

Has anyone else here tried Joe's Arnica wet dose therapy and not been helped by it?
 
Nightbird last decade
I do not have to defend my Joepathy which I have prescribed to many hundreds of Diabetics to you. The majority of them were helped to reduce their Blood Sugar levels by Arnica and have expressed their gratitude. Some were even CURED as you can read from the many hundreds of case I have helped on this Forum. Others use it as a supplement to the drugs or the Insulin they are using and the reports I have received indicate that Arnica 6c reduced their BS levels better than the 30c did. The average reduction is around 20% within 12 hours after their first dose and they were then instructed to reduce their dosage of the drugs to maintain an acceptable level. The maximum recorded reduction is 33% in the case of a Type I Diabetic who comes from a family of Diabetics. You may like to know that the children who are teenagers are taking this remedy and they have not presented Diabetes so far. This goes to prove that my therapy is positive as in this case the parents are both Type I Diabetics and the children should automatically inherit this disease.

You are correct in your statement that I used to prescribe the 30c in 2005 when I first discovered that Arnica helped Diabetes but I amended the potency to 6c in the light of the response I received from patients shortly after. Since you have self medicated with the 200c potency which you state you discovered with the ABC software there is obviously no purpose in my wasting my time trying to help you as you have been experimenting with the pellets and various other medication all of which did not seem to help you.

If you are not happy with using the therapy precisely as prescribed by me you are free to go back to the drugs and other medication you are using especially since you stated in your email:

'I understand you cannot help me if I don't post my private info on the public forum, but this is too invasive of my privacy so I thank you anyway and will do the best I can myself with my disease since your therapy did not work for me.'

I must express my surprise at this statement made by you after using the Arnica for just 2 days. I am not even aware of how you used it, whether in the dry pellets or otherwise. Homeopathy is not an instant fix like say Paracetamol for a headache. I do not understand your reticence to post your personal data on this Forum by completing the Patients Questionnaire as you are not the first patient to do so as you can read from the many cases that I and other Homeopaths have prescribed for.

It seems to me that you have the impression that we, the consultants on this Forum, derive some monetary compensation by helping patients. Be assured that we all do this service out of a sense of trying to help suffering humanity without any monetary compensation. The numerous cases I have helped on this forum alone are upwards of 7000 and at my advanced age of 81 I do not have to take any more of your crap.

You supercilious attitude annoys me and I regret that I am compelled to withdraw from your case.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
To Joe De Livera,

OH MY GOD, WHAT A RUDE RESPONSE YOU HAVE GIVEN TO NIGHTBIRD! And you call yourself a professional?! Nightbird has spoken to you and others here with respect and had honest questions, and your response was to insult him?! WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You have no right to treat people this way on a public forum made to help others!

I come here to this forum to learn, and we are here to ask questions, and we can ask as many questions as we like, if you don't like it, then don't respond! But this does not give you the right to insult anyone! Nightbird NEVER asked you to defend your therapy. He only said your therapy did not work for him, and you cannot fault him for speaking the truth of what happened to him!

As a matter of fact, you need to learn how to read better, because he told you MORE THAN ONCE that he was following your therapy in the wet dose, yet you kept saying he was only doing the dry pellets.

He also told you he was NOT TAKING ANY MEDICATIONS..but only herbals..yet you kept saying he was. YOU are the one who needs to pay attention sir, because if you are not reading what people are actually saying then how in the world can you give them good advice?!

I also have read your older posts, and first you said Arnica 30c worked, now you say 6c works..doesn't this tell you that it doesn't really matter the strength of Arnica used, so that if Nightbird used Arnica 200c it should still work? It does to me! And indeed the ABC Homeopathy sites advises that sometimes it is a good thing to start with a higher dose, especially if you need alot of help. But of course you probably didn't read that either, now did you sir?

I am completely shocked that have treated a newcomer to this site this way, and I plan on making a complaint to this forum administrator over your rudeness -this is no way to treat innocent people who come here for help! WE ALL DESERVE RESPECT AND NOT TO BE INSULTED THE WAY YOU INSULTED NIGHTBIRD, JOE DE LIVERA!

I have not read a single disrespectful thing Nightbird said to you, so you had no right to insult him and even use foul language like 'crap' to describe his questions. Just because you are 81 and come here to help (or is it to insult?) people does not mean you are perfect and that your treatment works for everyone. I too read in your past statements here that you stated about 20% of people do not respond to your treatment -obviously Nightbird is in this group. But instead of saying that to him, you acted like a God who was offended anyone would disagree with you or not be helped by your advice.

YOU OWE NIGHTBIRD AND EVERYONE HERE AN APOLOGY FOR SUCH RUDE BEHAVIOR!

If Nightbird did not feel comfortable posting his private information here, then that is his option, not many of us want the world to know our problems, but you should not insult him for it! And I did not read ANYWHERE where he asked you to 'take his case'..he only came here to state what he did and to get advice from anyone who can help him..he NEVER said 'Joe help me' or address his ORIGINAL post to you, it was addressed to the WHOLE FORUM. He only addressed you in response to you addressing him and stated he had tried your therapy and that it didn't work, along with other therapies, so stop acting like he asked you to help him..he was asking EVERYONE to help him! Look at the title of his post, it states 'Nothing Natural Is Lowering My Blood Sugar'..it does NOT state 'Joe De Liveras treatment did not help me'.

We do not come here to be treated and spoken to like dogs or children. If you cannot treat people with respect in a forum then maybe you need to stop coming here.

To Nightbird: I have been coming to this forum for a long time and please know that the majority of the people here do NOT treat people so rudely as Joe did to you. Please accept our apology over this, and I urge you to also complain to the forum administrator over this so Joe learns he is not more important than anyone else and that he cannot treat other people with such disrespect here.

I also urge you to continue with the low carb diet & exercise if that is helping you..the main thing is lower your blood sugar no matter what..and keep taking Cinnamon, Bitter Melon, Gymnema Sylvestre and Fenugreek. They sometimes take a while to work but they won't harm you. Good luck to you and ignore the rude, unprofessional people here like Joe De Livera. There are other people here who will help you without insulting you. Take care!
 
SushiKitty last decade
To Sushi

I am interested to learn that you have been reading the therapy aka Joepathy that I have been prescribing to those who value and have been cured by my advice. I presume that you have read a few of my more interesting cases which today number over 7500 on the ABC alone. I also visit 3 other Forums and count on many more successful cases which I have cured with my Joepathy.

I note that you have taken exception to the response I made to Nightbird and that you are fully in support of his attitude towards using the therapy I prescribed in using Arnica 6c in the Wet dose which he took for just 2 days and reported that it did not help him. You are quite correct that this may be due to his constitution being among the 20% that did not respond to my therapy but it is also possible that this was due more to his using the 200c which you state was recommended by the software on this forum which is by no means the last word on any Homeopathic treatment. You should be aware that Homeopathy is a science that must be used precisely as prescribed by the physician and the patient cannot use his discretion especially in the choice of remedies and their potency which you state was advised by the software on the ABC where the recommendation was to use the 200c potency and lower it to the lower potencies. This is certainly not effective and Nightbird has shown evidence of the fallacy of this abuse.

Answering your questions in your first paragraph:

I am not a professionally qualified Homeopath as to me Homeopathy is only a Hobby to which I am dedicated and have used personally for over 50 years. I have studied it in the time away from my professional duties and have achieved a status which is admired by many who have used it after I first started to treat my patients here in Sri Lanka where I live on a purely altruistic basis about 30 years ago and I have always offered my services free of charge as a service to suffering humanity. It is the satisfaction that I get from cases like the one below that keep me motivated to helping those who post their cases on this Forum.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/234675/

This is just one of the deeply satisfying cases I have treated in the recent past where the patient confirmed that after 4 years she discovered that she was pregnant after suffering from her Endometriosis and Chocolate Cyst which was treated surgically some years ago.

It was about 10 years ago that this ABC forum was founded and I joined it as a consultant in those early days long before other Homeopathic forums were established. You may like to know that you can read over 10000 of the more interesting of the cases that I have treated for the last 10 years by
Googling my name 'Joe De Livera' or 'Joepathy' and you can perhaps read over 10000 cases which have been picked up by Google from this and other Homeopathic Forums that I visit on a purely voluntary basis. If you have the patience to do so you may perhaps change your opinion of me and what I stand for.

My apologies for using the word 'crap' but I felt that this word best described Nightbird's attitude to my therapy where without using it, he blames it for not helping him, all in a matter of just 2 days.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
To Joe De Livera

Whilst I do not normally write on these posts, I felt compelled to respond to Nightbird and Sushis comments. I believe Joe De Livera has every right to be frustrated in his numerous attempts to assist Nightbird. There is a saying, ' You can take a donkey to water but ....'
If Nightbird is set in his ways and is intent on following his own course of 'treatment' then he should get on and do that and stop wasting the time of people who are genuinley trying to help him! Instead of being an arrogant know it all, he should just try following EXACT instructions before voicing any public opinions. I suspect boredom may be to blame! Keep up the good work Joe!
 
Barrindell last decade
To Barrindell

It is indeed rare to have a member dig up a post which has lain dormant for almost 3 years and to also support the stand that I took at that time in trying to help a patient, Nightbird who I hope reads this post, who seemed keen to treat his Diabetes with my therapy which he had done with Arnica 200 in the standard lactose pellets.

I presume that you are aware that I was the first person to discover way back in 2005, that Arnica 30 helped to lower the Blood Sugar level of a patient, who was a practicing physician with Type I Diabetes. I gave him Arnica 30c to help heal a long standing ulcer in his toe which was not responding to drugs and dressings for many months. He expressed great surprise when within 12 hours of his taking the Arnica, he called me to report how these pellets had dropped his BS level in a manner that all his shots of Insulin had not succeeded in doing so far. He referred to Arnica as some magical formula which he a qualified doctor, refused to accept even though he had discovered that his Blood Sugar had dropped in some unusual manner although I had given him the Arnica to help heal his Diabetic Ulcer.
He continued to reject the Arnica in spite of the pleas of his wife and died about 6 months later of Kidney failure which may have been the result of both his high BS level and the high dose of Insulin, coupled to the slow poisoning of his system by the non healing wound.

I am now 84 years of age and as you can see, am still active on the ABC and a few other Homeoapthic Forums and also have my own Website which you are invited to visit:

www.joedelivera.com

I am convinced that I owe my existence without any major ailment first to God in whom I have an abiding trust and to Arnica which I have taken nightly or more often as necessary since 1996. If you decide to visit my website, please also visit:

ARNICA THE MIRACLE REMEDY
http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66

Thank you for your input in your post above.
 
Joe De Livera last decade

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