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Homeopathy needs refining to its essentials

Having benefitted from homeopathy a few times, by looking up my symptoms in a book of remedies, I set out to learn more about it.

I was a bit surprised at what I came across.

Miasms: - this whole theory that weakness to disease comes from either syphillis, gonorrhea or scabies, either in this life or in a previous generation seems out of step with what we now know of the world, and just isn't at all tenable anymore. Why is this still taught?

Bizarre provings: - amongst others, I came across a proving of - get this - the light of the planet venus!! I ask you, how is this accepted? There are also provings on lots of other things which would obviously not have an effect on a person if swallowed - gold, silver, diamonds - unless it is a lump large enough to get stuck along the way. If materia medicas are full of this kind of stuff you got a 50-50 chance of getting a 'genuine' remedy.

My point is, to join the 21st century, homeopathy has to have a garage sale and get rid of a lot of stuff that it doesn't need anymore, and doesn't know why it bought in the first place! The basic premise that like treats like when diluted and succussed, seems to work in my experience. But there's a lot around it that's just B.S. And it's a shame because it's a barrier that hinders the growth of an amazing healing art.

Let me just say, I've not studied homeopathy at a college or anything, so it's very possible I've got the wrong end of the stick. Please correct me if that's the case!!!
 
  Philip L on 2002-08-03
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Having read your views on homeopathy, I am little surprised at
how easily people scoff at a subject
they little understand. As a second year student of this craft I realised that the more you learn, you realise how little you knew to begin with.
Knowing your Miasms is a fundamental part of practicing Homeopathy. Why should it be so unbelievable there is more than just eye and hair colour passed on from parent to child, especially when you consider that wihin one family there maybe three generations suffering from a heart condition, arthritis or cancer. This shows that a warped vital force is your legacy - with the state of wellness degenerating with each generation. It certainly must be obvious to most people that the children of today are the sickest to date - indeed a large number of the eldery are much more healthy than the majority of children today. Even before I began studying homeopathy I was shocked at the number of cases of children with cancer with many being born with the condition. With vaccicnations, diet, living conditions compounding the situation it seems that a crisis point may come frightningly soon.
Above, I used physical diseases, but conditions affecting the mental and emotional spheres are also becoming quite apparent. Hyperactivity leading onto increasing violence in children and society in general. I am disturbed at the incresing instance of child violence reported on the news, even leading to the death of another. This is where actually understanding your miasms is necessary.
In laymens terms
Psora = Underfunction
Dry skin, timid, weak memory, aversion to exertion, talks slow
Sycotic = Overfunction
Cross, irritable, greasy skin, talks fast. Hyperactive
Syphilitic = Distorted function
Warts, growths, violent tendencies.
A way to get the basics to the miasm is to remember this example-
If the three miasms were to be involved in a robbery -
Psora would plan it, but not get actively involved
Sycosis would carry it out, but not like it.
Syphilis would carry it out, enjoy it and most likely harm someone in the process.
With the Different Miasms the varying susceptibilities - EG Getting a cold - why does one person get a rattling chest full of phlegm, another a dry course cough, another a blocked up nose, clear running nose, thick green runny nose, headcahe, flushed face, earache. Why are every ones symptoms different? Because their susceptibilities come from their inherited miasms.
There are different schools of thought within homeopathy, and they do not all view miasms as important. This leads to poor practice and a bad reputation for those genuinly trying to make mankind a healthier species.

To comment on the bizarre provings, EVERYTHING can affect man and beast to varying degrees. Remember the different susceptibilities. It is well known that the moon affects the earth - tides, people and animals. Some people become loony(LUNA), others feel ellevated, ohters peacefuls, some feel no obvious affect at all. If it is true for one planet then it can be true for others. During a proving if there are no symptoms produced then the person with have no susceptibilty to the stimuli. There are always new provings being done and this should always be the case - especially considering the toxins we subject ourselves and the subsequent damage caused. We have to embrace this train of thought especially for the children.
 
Tammi 2 decades ago
Tammi,

Thanks for your reply; I guess I misunderstood the miasms. Though I can see how susceptibility to disease can be genetic, my confusion came from reading that the belief behind miasms was that particular diseases in an earlier generation are the cause of the current weakness - that is what I wasn't willing to swallow. Your explanation made a lot more sense, and I thank you for it.

As for the bizarre provings; yes planets and stars have an effect. But is a liquid the right medium to transmit that effect? It is not.

Lets take an obvious example - the sun.

When exposed to sunlight we feel happy, warm, care-free and maybe even loved. After too much, we get sunburned.

If we expose a glass of water to the sun, and then drink it, we don't get any of those symptoms. If we get any symptoms at all, they must be by the sun stimulating algae breeding.

The effect of the sunlight on us directly, and the effect of the sun on us through ingested water are very different. It is unreasonable to say that light can be diluted in water and shaken. It can't. It simply can't.

I agree that with all those toxins we're now exposed to, new provings are necessary, but I think provings should be of dilutable materials, or at least of matter!!!

The symptoms recorded in the light of the planet venus proving are consistent with someone giving their full attention to their senses, and trying to feel something, nothing more. And that is just as well as there probably isn't a drop of water on the planet which hasn't already passed through the light of the planet venus, and there would be no remedies available other than combination remedies incorporating the light of all the planets!
 
Philip L 2 decades ago
I found the venus proving here, by the way: http://www.btinternet.com/~wellmother/venusprover.htm , complete with stairway to heaven theme tune!
 
Philip L 2 decades ago
quote:

"...with the state of wellness degenerating with each generation. It certainly must be obvious to most people that the children of today are the sickest to date."

This I disagree with.

If there is any reason for decliing health, it is that we are too pampered by modern living for natural selection to play any role in the development of our species. The strong and healthy have no Darwinian advantage over the weak and sick.

As for hyperactive children, I see 3 causes:

1) Food additives. The little blighters are fed on poison. That's got to have an effect.

2) Kids have no healthy channel for their energy. If there was something they could direct it to (ie walking everywhere instead of getting a ride in the car), they would have less energy for mischief.

3) Normal, healthy kids whose parents want a quick fix for bad behaviour. If I was growing up today, I'd probably be diagnosed with ADHD, as I was energetic and not the type of kid who could stick at things very long. Now I'm fine. Some kids are just like that, but there is nothing wrong with them. As they grow up, they just have less energy so are able to concentrate.
 
Philip L last decade
I have an AdH child I put it down to imunanisations he was fine, never before that did he have convulsions,autistic tendencies,food alergies and hyperactivity


gail rawlings
 
alangail 2 decades ago
Yeah, you are right , you are wrong!!
Homeopathy is a science which has been proved.
It does sound bizarre as you say when you read the Materia Medica.All the same by corroborating the same symptoms we arrive at the choice of the remedy.
Coming to the point of Succusions and Dilutions ; well that is what we have been doing for the past couple of centuries and still Science has not developed a scale to reveal how the efficacy of the diluted substance remains and increases. It is a challenge really to show the same. As a Homeopath I am happy that it works and I go by the symptomatology of the patient and the corresponding drug in the Materia Medica.
Would'nt mind enlightening you further .
Dr.Venugopal Gouri
drvenugopal
hotmail.com
 
Dr.Venugopal Gouri 2 decades ago
I agree. This is the 21st Century, and the problem is that this is a high-tech society. If Homeopathy is to be a credible form of treatment, the approach must be scientific and the studies done by credible organizations with no bias or oppinion in the provings. I work as a nutritional biochemist/molecular biologist. I know that scientifically when you begin to dilute, that you can transfer information to another source by molecular reduction or transduction. Eventually, you will end up with only fractions of the partical that you started out with, but, the smallest of particals have an impact on the human cell, just like a strain of virus, bacteria or fungus. The hypothosis then is that homeopathy works because those fractionated particals still carry enough information to influence the chemistry of the subject like a virus, bacteria or fungus would. Get Johns Hopkins, M.I.T, Harvard or University of Massachusetts to study that hypothisis, and you'll have your self a credible validation study. There are enough people out there with lots of money and power using homeopathy and believing, we need to get them to stand up and challenge those who would try to destroy, with distain, a field of medicine that should be a standard method of treatment all over the world.
 
synergylabs 2 decades ago
I think the problem is partly that homeopathic remedies are a commodity - they can not be patented and therefore are of no use to pharmaceutical companies. So who would pay for the research?
 
rachel 2 decades ago
Good point. I entered this site because I want to show where the Scientists are going wrong when they test homeopathic remedies. Its a hit and miss affair, currently, but there are so many flaws in their test procedures, it surprises me that they EVER get a HIT. I am a Systems Analyst with a Science background, and have benefitted from H. remedies. What I need before I can present my logical model to the Scientists, is more precise details of how remedies are made. They must be very precise, cos that's what analysts do - trying WELEDA for this info. Need to know of other reputable companies or individual Hs who make up their own water-based solutions.
 
tim 2 decades ago
As the person that conducted the venus proving, let me comment.

The stairway to heaven theme: One night looking up at a planet, I wondered what if... It seemed to me to be something that would push the boundaries of what may be possible. I had no expectation that there would be any effect whatsoever from the remedy. In fact, like you may have done, I positively thought that nothing would come of it, but was proved wrong. The remedy clearly has an effect as was shown by the proving and it's subsequent use clinically. The theme tune was part of my tongue in cheek atitude towards the whole thing, which I took off there some time ago. It is a serious medicine.

The essence of light reflected from a far off planet is available from helios pharmacy in a bottle.

If you read the site you would also know that the remedy has actually helped people. It is there, it does work, and that is hard to understand maybe, but not understanding something doesn't make it go away!
 
chrisw 2 decades ago
... and, if I can add, I suspect Hahnemann would have likely scoffed at provings of the kind discussed here.
Like any art or science there exists the basic truths that, sometimes, is expanded on correctly. Not meaning to dismiss valid unknowns, most of everything else is little better than quackery added on by those wishing to make a contribution, with good intent or otherwise, to that discipline. Astrology is a case in point. The basic premise that the personality of those born at a particular time is influenced by the "dominance" of a planet (e.g. in height and position relative to the others at the horizon) apparently has "some" significant correlation that cannot be dismissed statistically as mere coincidence. However, all the other "add-ons", such as one's daily horoscope in the paper, is pure pulp fiction and has no scientific basis. To say otherwise runs the risk of undermining the discipline and blurring the facts.
 
JF Chalmers 2 decades ago
I agree that homeopathic medicine on the whole is very effective, but there are a few remedies in the materia medica which should probably be investigated in more detail, and we should demand the same standards of these provings as contemporary science demands (ie provings should be repeatable and reproducable).

Another homeopath should be able to conduct a proving of the same substance and get the same results. I would bet that for a part of the repertory this couldn't happen.
 
healthcon 2 decades ago
why would researchers at MIT,Harvard take up the challenge of proving the success of homeopathy ? and after finding that hom does work .... would they be able to tell the investors who have poured in millions to research newer drugs ? i doubt



towards homeopathy.towards a better future.
 
balloon 2 decades ago
An interesting discussion.

Newbies must go through patiently.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
At first I was put off by the use of the word miasm. It sounded so silly. But then our body cells are affected by illness and some illnesses affect us on deeper levels, think of AIDS.

There are whole books written now on genetic predisposition to illness. So miasm was just a word used many years ago to describe a truth.

This is also true of the temperments which go back over 2000 years. Choleric becomes a type-A personality and now it makes sense to us. The idea is correct, the vocabulary in not modern. Look for the wisdom in an old teaching and don't reject it without thinking.
 
museon last decade
"Another homeopath should be able to conduct a proving of the same substance and get the same results. I would bet that for a part of the repertory this couldn't happen."

I wonder which part of the repertory is being referred to, or is this a general comment that some provings are not done with as much scientific vigour as others?

Either way, I can "bet" that provings are 99%+ replicable. And that includes the more unusual remedies.

What is interesting is that the newer provings tend to take into account more subtle symptoms and are weighted more in the realm of mind, spirit and emotions, so there is likely to be an expansion to many of the remedies if provings are replicated. I think this is simply a reflection of what most of us are treating these days - we are looking for the same realm in provings as we are finding in our treatment rooms.

To return to the title of this thread, getting back to the essentials. I believe the essentials of homeopathy are the very simple practice of using like to cure like. To do that we need to be able to understand the complexities of the infinite variety of patients we come across and be able to prescribe similar remedies, and have tactics/methodologies to be able to peel away the pathology.

The idea of the miasms, which is these days expanded to what I feel is a more useful system, is one way of helping us to understand the patient. Whether or not anyone can prove a miasm is a real entity is insignificant when it is most clearly useful and effective in curing people.

New remedies, incomprehensible medicines, when properly proved, are useful and effective too. They enable homeopaths to give the "like" when previously they were not available. Thus they avert the need for more complex and "zigzagging" treatments which take longer to help patients.

Back to basics can be backward thinking. Hahnemann was certainly not backward thinking and would have developed his practice continuously had he lived longer, probably more than the profession has itself.

It's also worth considering that most homeopaths are looking beyond the basic symptoms a patient arrives with for treatment. Not ignoring them, but looking at the wider context, for the root of the illness. This can involve looking for the more dynamic, subtle, colourful symptoms a patient expresses. These are often how the deeper illness is expressed. These kind of symptoms are also what are contained more in the modern provings.

I'min the process of proving an "old" remedy with few subtle symptoms and think it will be very interesting to see how much of the old comes through, and how the new symptoms gleaned relate to this. The remedy will probably be more fully understood, be easier to prescribe, and be more useful.
 
chrisw last decade
I am curious to know,how the first potency of Venus was made.

May be,some doubts will get clarified,if we know atleast,the outlines of the procedure followed.
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
synergylabs and/or others;
are there any books or resources you can share for greater information on the below subject as I am interested in the details for my learning and would appreciate.

What you stated was..."I know that scientifically when you begin to dilute, that you can transfer information to another source by molecular reduction or transduction. Eventually, you will end up with only fractions of the partical that you started out with, but, the smallest of particals have an impact on the human cell, just like a strain of virus, bacteria or fungus. The hypothosis then is that homeopathy works because those fractionated particals still carry enough information to influence the chemistry of the subject like a virus, bacteria or fungus would."
 
loree last decade
Read the book The Infinitesimal Dose for a great discussion of the scientific research now going on to find out how homeopathy works. There are more techincal works that are so academic they can be a druge to read, so I mention the one above.
 
museon last decade
Thanks, a good place for me to start and if I need more academic works, I'll ask! who is that by? Loree
 
loree last decade
Museon and all,

I found the book and very inexpensive on Amazon.com. Sems like I should order a few more while I am at it.

Do you have any recommendations on more professional/academic
in-depth books (not layman books) on laws and principles with "like cures likes" theory, Herings Law, and a book to gain a better deep understanding on the Vital Force?
Thanks much, Loree
 
loree last decade
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senmar last decade
'I am curious to know,how the first potency of Venus was made.

May be,some doubts will get clarified,if we know atleast,the outlines of the procedure followed.'

A reflecting telescope, a very large one with the ability to move as the earth moves to keep the chosen object in view, was focussed on the planet venus. Milk sugar was placed on the eyepiece, this was left there for a little while. That milk sugar was bottled. One hour later the classical trituration process was started. It was made up to 3c in this way. Several hours later, at the Helios Pharmacy, a portion of the 3c was put in alcohol and gradually made up to 30c by hand, again in the classical way.
 
chrisw last decade
This might be worth a study for some of you...

http://www.homeopathy-ecch.org/images/stories/pdf/positive homeopathy researc.pdf
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade
 
Homeopathy International 1 last decade

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