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which is more effective ??
For Jacob Scott:Dear Jacob,
1.Does any one have a meter to take a reading that will show pallative action and curative action???
2. Has any one done a research study on which brand of homeopathy has given better results amongst patients ??
3. Has some one taken a representative sample of the population of patients.... as per statistical standards ....and shown the results that a particular method of homeopathic application is more success ful ?
4. Do you have statistics of the sale of combination meds viz. a viz. single meds...from leading manufacturers like Schwabe, Bioron, Reckweg etc
....which ...in absence of a statistical patient survey will work as an indicator?
If the answer is NO ...then all your claims of classical homeopathy being the most effective (REAL....in your words) form of homeoapthy are without any basis and do not hold any water.
Pl. be informed.
Before making such claims...get the statistical work done. May be.... the results of such a survey will be an eye opener for you as well as many classical homeopaths.
Sazim ...this is food for thought for you also.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♥ PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-07
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
For information of those not conversant with 'Statistics'.
The subject 'Statistics' is a branch of Mathematics...where in 'Population' of Survey and 'Representative Sample' of a Survey ....have specific definations.
Pankaj Varma
The subject 'Statistics' is a branch of Mathematics...where in 'Population' of Survey and 'Representative Sample' of a Survey ....have specific definations.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Jacob has replied on the thread 'The Moderator' to my above post.
My views:
Dear Jacob,
The world believes in statistical data and its analysis to 'confirm' or 'deny' a hypothesis.
You are your self confirming that nothing of the kind has been done in the field of homeopathy.
Until then ...all will remain as 'hypothesis' and cannot be termed as 'Law'.....even though some people might call it 'Laws of Homeopathy'...they are truly 'Hypothesis of Homeopathy'.
To give it the status of a Law.....a sufficiently large 'population' of patients will have to be recorded....a 'representative sample' of the same will have to be taken (the two have a co-relation under the subject of statistics). The result analysed and then if it confirms the hypothesis...it can be called a Law.
Furthermore, it wold be required that the Survey is done in different geographical zones....to make it a honest survey and its findings.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
My views:
Dear Jacob,
The world believes in statistical data and its analysis to 'confirm' or 'deny' a hypothesis.
You are your self confirming that nothing of the kind has been done in the field of homeopathy.
Until then ...all will remain as 'hypothesis' and cannot be termed as 'Law'.....even though some people might call it 'Laws of Homeopathy'...they are truly 'Hypothesis of Homeopathy'.
To give it the status of a Law.....a sufficiently large 'population' of patients will have to be recorded....a 'representative sample' of the same will have to be taken (the two have a co-relation under the subject of statistics). The result analysed and then if it confirms the hypothesis...it can be called a Law.
Furthermore, it wold be required that the Survey is done in different geographical zones....to make it a honest survey and its findings.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Another related issue :
The lack of such statistical data..is the main reason why Homeopaths have never been able to convince the Allopaths about the efficacy of homeopathy.
The lack of such statistical data..is the main reason why Homeopaths have never been able to convince the Allopaths about the efficacy of homeopathy.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The difference in approach:
The fact is that people from Indian sub-continent/South Asia....take so much spice in their food that a single dose of a med gets anti-doted very quickly.
On top of it...pollution, smoking, water contamination, pesticides in vegetables etc. further anti-dote the single dose.
So a few doses for some days are necessary to show result.
Secondly, Dr. Samuel Hanhemann was a German...and his theories were based on German population who eat very little spice, eat cold food (not steaming hot foods as eaten in Indian subcontinent)....so many suitable modifications have to be done while advising dosage, potency , repeatition etc.
His theory was based on atmospheric and city conditions a few hundred years ago.
The world has changed a lot from that time.
I am posting all this here because Jacob has been suggesting a single dose.
Which , in my way of thinking and analysis does not produce any impact on the Vital Force.
The Vital Force has to be nudged a number of times for it to start its own action.
(Vital Force ...is a terminology of homeopathy).
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
The fact is that people from Indian sub-continent/South Asia....take so much spice in their food that a single dose of a med gets anti-doted very quickly.
On top of it...pollution, smoking, water contamination, pesticides in vegetables etc. further anti-dote the single dose.
So a few doses for some days are necessary to show result.
Secondly, Dr. Samuel Hanhemann was a German...and his theories were based on German population who eat very little spice, eat cold food (not steaming hot foods as eaten in Indian subcontinent)....so many suitable modifications have to be done while advising dosage, potency , repeatition etc.
His theory was based on atmospheric and city conditions a few hundred years ago.
The world has changed a lot from that time.
I am posting all this here because Jacob has been suggesting a single dose.
Which , in my way of thinking and analysis does not produce any impact on the Vital Force.
The Vital Force has to be nudged a number of times for it to start its own action.
(Vital Force ...is a terminology of homeopathy).
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
You guys (Classical Homeopaths) still want to cross the ocean (from London to New York) in the aeroplane made by the Wright Brothers out of bicycle parts.
Much progress has taken place in Aeronautics after the Wright Brothers first flew their aero-model.
So also in Homeopathy...much more progress has been made after Dr. Hanhemann propounded his initial Hypothesis.
Also Homeopathy is called an 'ART'...not a Science. So that you can try and master different strokes.
Science is precise....Art is not....different strokes give different results ....sometimes more than expected.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
Much progress has taken place in Aeronautics after the Wright Brothers first flew their aero-model.
So also in Homeopathy...much more progress has been made after Dr. Hanhemann propounded his initial Hypothesis.
Also Homeopathy is called an 'ART'...not a Science. So that you can try and master different strokes.
Science is precise....Art is not....different strokes give different results ....sometimes more than expected.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Simon Broadlay (Moderator) is right when he says...until you have seen the other side...how can you say which one is better.
You have to go and see the Niagra Falls from the Canadian side to know how much better it looks ...compared to when you see it from the US side.
(I have seen it and I know the difference !).
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
You have to go and see the Niagra Falls from the Canadian side to know how much better it looks ...compared to when you see it from the US side.
(I have seen it and I know the difference !).
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Homoeopathy isn't a 'cut and slice' system of medicine, you cannot simply choose a tiny segment of it's doctrine to give credence to your own odd methods of prescribing, or support a 'part-time interest', it is a complete system, and makes sense as such only to those who have both studied the subject, and more importantly, those who are able to understand.
Those who merely shun the true, classical way, do so for two reasons, they either know nothing about the subject at all, or they simply lack the ability to understand it, and therefore place the blame on this true, classical way, for their own shortcomings.
As stated before, a bad workman will always blame his tools, and I don't think I can really add anything further to this debate, either here or on any other thread, Classical Homoeopathy is a lot like life...you either get it...or you don't ;)
Best wishes.
Those who merely shun the true, classical way, do so for two reasons, they either know nothing about the subject at all, or they simply lack the ability to understand it, and therefore place the blame on this true, classical way, for their own shortcomings.
As stated before, a bad workman will always blame his tools, and I don't think I can really add anything further to this debate, either here or on any other thread, Classical Homoeopathy is a lot like life...you either get it...or you don't ;)
Best wishes.
Hahnemania last decade
Which of course makes no sense to anyone here who isn't Indian, which not everyone is...but I guess that was the point.
Hahnemania last decade
Single dose homeopathy works even for Indians.
single dose doesn't mean taking it once and forgetting about it,particularly for acute problems.
The medicine taken till you establish a reaction,either aggravation or amelioration is considered a single dose.
It varies from patient to patient and depends on his age,vitality,sensitivity,and many more factors.
While the above is true for acute cases, a single dose, literally, is best for chronic problems.
A single dose of sulphur may start acting from the third week onwards, and before that you may not see any change.
If you repeat it in haste, you may spoil the case.
There are different guidelines for treating acute problems,and chronic problems.
All long lasting cures are made only if you follow the principles laid down in Organon.
Palliation can be done with allopathy, mixopathy, and so called non classical homeopathy.
Most of the times it leads to suppressions, sometimes after many years.
We can't ignore it.
There are recorded cases of childern becoming dull in their studies after getting palliated for their asthma.
There are many many recorded cases where suppression by homeopathic medicines led to severe complications.
There are scores of doctors in India who strictly follow the principles of Organon, and they are the most succesful ones.
I applied the principles of Organon for myself, my family and my neighbours. My success rate is around 80%.
I have reiterated this many times before, and still caution people against the dangers of falling for easy solutions and quick prescriptions.
It is your health you are playing with.
Murthy
single dose doesn't mean taking it once and forgetting about it,particularly for acute problems.
The medicine taken till you establish a reaction,either aggravation or amelioration is considered a single dose.
It varies from patient to patient and depends on his age,vitality,sensitivity,and many more factors.
While the above is true for acute cases, a single dose, literally, is best for chronic problems.
A single dose of sulphur may start acting from the third week onwards, and before that you may not see any change.
If you repeat it in haste, you may spoil the case.
There are different guidelines for treating acute problems,and chronic problems.
All long lasting cures are made only if you follow the principles laid down in Organon.
Palliation can be done with allopathy, mixopathy, and so called non classical homeopathy.
Most of the times it leads to suppressions, sometimes after many years.
We can't ignore it.
There are recorded cases of childern becoming dull in their studies after getting palliated for their asthma.
There are many many recorded cases where suppression by homeopathic medicines led to severe complications.
There are scores of doctors in India who strictly follow the principles of Organon, and they are the most succesful ones.
I applied the principles of Organon for myself, my family and my neighbours. My success rate is around 80%.
I have reiterated this many times before, and still caution people against the dangers of falling for easy solutions and quick prescriptions.
It is your health you are playing with.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
He he he he...he ....Murty!
By those standards Joe De Levira , at the age of 77 years, should be a crippled man ...coz he is taking a dose of Arnica everyday for 10 years.
The rule you are mentioning doesn't apply to all meds...only to few specific meds.
Great way to mislead and scare people who have limited knowledge of homeopathy.
(Sorry Joe...no offence meant to you).
Pankaj Varma
By those standards Joe De Levira , at the age of 77 years, should be a crippled man ...coz he is taking a dose of Arnica everyday for 10 years.
The rule you are mentioning doesn't apply to all meds...only to few specific meds.
Great way to mislead and scare people who have limited knowledge of homeopathy.
(Sorry Joe...no offence meant to you).
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Well said Murthy, and obviously we are talking about chronic disease, as repetition is not only waranted but necessary for acutes. Most here however apply this acute rule to both types of disease, and I guess this is the point you are making.
And to Mr Varma: it applies to ALL deep acting remedies, i.e those which are not merely of an acute nature, not 'only to few specific meds'.
re this: 'By those standards Joe De Levira , at the age of 77 years, should be a crippled man ...coz he is taking a dose of Arnica everyday for 10 years.'
Arnica is an acute remedy only and therefore it's potential to cause supression is less than that of more deeply acting remedies (although still very much present), but even so, there are many levels on which the effects of such suppression may be manifest, the psychological being one of them.
and this: 'Great way to mislead and scare people who have limited knowledge of homeopathy. '
...are you scared yet? And mislead? no.
Damn, and I said I wasn't going to get involved in this further, I guess like most rational people, I just can't bare ignorance and misinformation...
And to Mr Varma: it applies to ALL deep acting remedies, i.e those which are not merely of an acute nature, not 'only to few specific meds'.
re this: 'By those standards Joe De Levira , at the age of 77 years, should be a crippled man ...coz he is taking a dose of Arnica everyday for 10 years.'
Arnica is an acute remedy only and therefore it's potential to cause supression is less than that of more deeply acting remedies (although still very much present), but even so, there are many levels on which the effects of such suppression may be manifest, the psychological being one of them.
and this: 'Great way to mislead and scare people who have limited knowledge of homeopathy. '
...are you scared yet? And mislead? no.
Damn, and I said I wasn't going to get involved in this further, I guess like most rational people, I just can't bare ignorance and misinformation...
Hahnemania last decade
Oh, P.S...'The rule you are mentioning doesn't apply to all meds...only to few specific meds.'
At least you are now starting to accept that it IS a rule, and I must also say your methods of case taking and prescribing seem to have also changed quite dramatically in the last week or so...funny that ;)
'Best wishes'.
-Jacob.
At least you are now starting to accept that it IS a rule, and I must also say your methods of case taking and prescribing seem to have also changed quite dramatically in the last week or so...funny that ;)
'Best wishes'.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Yes Joe ..had a 'chronic' High BP problem 10 years back. Not acute !
You can cross check with him !!
Grand way to scare people !!
And Jacob...you are confirming that all meds are not covered by that rule.
The same as what I am saying.
You can cross check with him !!
Grand way to scare people !!
And Jacob...you are confirming that all meds are not covered by that rule.
The same as what I am saying.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Jacob,
Pl .visit Archives to see my method of case taking and prescribing.
There are scores of cases.
I think you 'blew a whistle'..without the storm being there !!
Better accept it.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
Pl .visit Archives to see my method of case taking and prescribing.
There are scores of cases.
I think you 'blew a whistle'..without the storm being there !!
Better accept it.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
'And Jacob...you are confirming that all meds are not covered by that rule.
The same as what I am saying.'
YOU:'The rule you are mentioning doesn't apply to all meds...only to few specific meds.'
ME:'it applies to ALL deep acting remedies, i.e those which are not merely of an acute nature'
'...is an acute remedy only and therefore it's potential to cause supression is less than that of more deeply acting remedies (although still very much present)'
Not the same at all, you really ought to read more slowly Mr Varma, maybe then you would not give your own interpretations to my words to support your own fanciful notions.
And, I have seen your 'method' of case taking and prescribing, and as stated, I have also noticed how it has changed somewhat in more recent posts, and in this I am very much not alone...
Toot toot...'Better accept it' ;)
The same as what I am saying.'
YOU:'The rule you are mentioning doesn't apply to all meds...only to few specific meds.'
ME:'it applies to ALL deep acting remedies, i.e those which are not merely of an acute nature'
'...is an acute remedy only and therefore it's potential to cause supression is less than that of more deeply acting remedies (although still very much present)'
Not the same at all, you really ought to read more slowly Mr Varma, maybe then you would not give your own interpretations to my words to support your own fanciful notions.
And, I have seen your 'method' of case taking and prescribing, and as stated, I have also noticed how it has changed somewhat in more recent posts, and in this I am very much not alone...
Toot toot...'Better accept it' ;)
Hahnemania last decade
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