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antidote for nat mur?
Hi everyone,I am doing well with my mouth it is getting better after the burn, my other prob is i was taking nat mur 10m as prescribed by a homeopath on the site for my severe pms and i'm convinced unless you can tell me different, that my skin and messed up periods is because of it, why i'm saying that is normally i would go a few days over my date for my period and i've been nearly a week early for two months now and also my pms is starting early too with longer spells of the usual complications, my skin has flared up really bad with sore pimples and i cant get rid of them, so any ideas please, i was told to stop taking arnica but i still take nat phos for my constipation which is still working, but other than that i'm not taking any other medications or remedies
any info would be much appreciated.
elaine
elainesmyth68 on 2006-11-26
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sajjadakram635 last decade
Dear Elaine.
First of all, Camphor in ANY potency does NOT antidote Nat Mur, and antidotes should never be applied as high as a 200c anyway.
There are 5 listed antidotes for Nat Mur: Arsenicum, Phosphorus, Nitri Spiritus Dulcis, Sepia, and Nux Vomica, and the choice of antidote should be based upon the symptoms you are now experiencing.
I would also suggest you stop taking Nat Phos, as the effect of more than one remedy at a time can never be known in advance, and if you are having to apply this remedy continuously, it is not curing your condition anyway, merely palliating in much the same way as an allopathic drug. This is not the purpose of Homoeopathy. May I also ask, were you taking this remedy at the same time as Nat Mur?
-Jacob.
First of all, Camphor in ANY potency does NOT antidote Nat Mur, and antidotes should never be applied as high as a 200c anyway.
There are 5 listed antidotes for Nat Mur: Arsenicum, Phosphorus, Nitri Spiritus Dulcis, Sepia, and Nux Vomica, and the choice of antidote should be based upon the symptoms you are now experiencing.
I would also suggest you stop taking Nat Phos, as the effect of more than one remedy at a time can never be known in advance, and if you are having to apply this remedy continuously, it is not curing your condition anyway, merely palliating in much the same way as an allopathic drug. This is not the purpose of Homoeopathy. May I also ask, were you taking this remedy at the same time as Nat Mur?
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
Hi Jacob,
Yes i have been taking nat phos 6c every day for my constipation and arnica wet dose 30c and i have been going to the toilet every day for the first time in yrs, with so many food intolerances i have it makes me constipated, so i found a lump below my navel to the left hand side and a homeopath suggested i stop taking the arnica, it was a painful small hard ball shaped lump, i'm waiting to see a surgeon, it may be on my bowel, anyway i noticed it dosn't bother me as much since i stopped the arnica but i have still been taking the nat phos, for my pms i took three doses over a few days of nat mur 10m and within twenty minutes of taking the first one, i started getting anxiety problems like i would get the week before my period and it all started from there really, but my skin is so sore with pimples and red, pus and painful.
my gut feeling was that it was the nat mur, everything was fine till then, its been going on a few months now and no improvement if you need to know anything else please ask.
thanks for your time
elaine
p.s. last week i was taking cantharis for a bad burn in my mouth and merc sol, the homeopaths on the site recommended and i know it really did speed up the recovery, i did get causticum but i only took one because i felt i was on the mend.
Yes i have been taking nat phos 6c every day for my constipation and arnica wet dose 30c and i have been going to the toilet every day for the first time in yrs, with so many food intolerances i have it makes me constipated, so i found a lump below my navel to the left hand side and a homeopath suggested i stop taking the arnica, it was a painful small hard ball shaped lump, i'm waiting to see a surgeon, it may be on my bowel, anyway i noticed it dosn't bother me as much since i stopped the arnica but i have still been taking the nat phos, for my pms i took three doses over a few days of nat mur 10m and within twenty minutes of taking the first one, i started getting anxiety problems like i would get the week before my period and it all started from there really, but my skin is so sore with pimples and red, pus and painful.
my gut feeling was that it was the nat mur, everything was fine till then, its been going on a few months now and no improvement if you need to know anything else please ask.
thanks for your time
elaine
p.s. last week i was taking cantharis for a bad burn in my mouth and merc sol, the homeopaths on the site recommended and i know it really did speed up the recovery, i did get causticum but i only took one because i felt i was on the mend.
elainesmyth68 last decade
Ahh, that was me who recomended the Cantharis, heh.
Okay, my advice would be to stop the Nat Phos, as this may be inteferring with the action of the Nat Mur, and preventing a reaction. If after a period of say 5 days nothing has changed, then I would start applying antidotes to the Nat Mur, as in this instance, it would be obvious that you are proving the remedy.
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
Okay, my advice would be to stop the Nat Phos, as this may be inteferring with the action of the Nat Mur, and preventing a reaction. If after a period of say 5 days nothing has changed, then I would start applying antidotes to the Nat Mur, as in this instance, it would be obvious that you are proving the remedy.
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
hi jacob,
will you explain that a bit better for me as i dont really understand it. do you think my hormones will sort themselves out because it is a hormonal issue and what will i do for future use i stopped taking the nat phos before for a few days because i ran out of it and was constipated again, what do you think
Elaine
will you explain that a bit better for me as i dont really understand it. do you think my hormones will sort themselves out because it is a hormonal issue and what will i do for future use i stopped taking the nat phos before for a few days because i ran out of it and was constipated again, what do you think
Elaine
elainesmyth68 last decade
The constipation may be part of the Nat Mur picture, so stopping the NAt Phos MAY allow it to act, and resolve the whole thing, including the apparent bad reaction to the Nat Mur. If this doesnt resolve everything, and you still feel you are reacting badly to this remedy, then it needs to be antidoted, if after you have done this you feel you need to go back on the Nat Phos, then thats fair enough, but it is obviously not actually curing the condition, as if thsi were the case, you wouldnt need to keep take it.
-Jacob.
-Jacob.
JCS2006 last decade
hi everyone, jacob if your reading this, its been a while since the last time i wrote about this issue about antidoting the nat mur, just to let you know how i've been, my hair has come out in handfulls, i have a really bad dose of sore pimples and it didn't help my pms at all, i'm still going to the toilet, i came off the nat phos like i was told but the rest is terrible, i've been feeling really down because of the way i am, i look like a teenager with the start of a flared up case of acne, i'm embarrassed to go out and if anymore hair falls out i'll die, please someone help me, i'd rather keep my pms than go through all this, my period and pms was just as bad again this month.
Elaine
Elaine
elainesmyth68 last decade
Hi Elaine .. I'm sorry you are experiencing such aggressive symptoms. I think you need to contact Jacob personally - have you emailed him about this? He will advise you on how to antidote the Nat Mur.
carlotta last decade
OK i've gone through your old posts to find out some background.. Really irresponsible prescribing the 3 doses of Nat Mur 10M by 'Walkin'. If you have not luck contacting Jacob, Murthy will help you here.
I see you also have Candida, hence the grapefruit seed extract and the burnt tongue. Recommend strongly you do an anti candida cleanse. First cut out all bread, yeast products and sugar , including fruit. Eat wholegrain and veg, lots of water and lean proteins. See internet and this forum for anti-candida diet and supplements/herbs strategy.
I see you also have Candida, hence the grapefruit seed extract and the burnt tongue. Recommend strongly you do an anti candida cleanse. First cut out all bread, yeast products and sugar , including fruit. Eat wholegrain and veg, lots of water and lean proteins. See internet and this forum for anti-candida diet and supplements/herbs strategy.
carlotta last decade
You may take Camphor 200 to antidote the effects of Nat Mur.If it does not help to antidote with in a week, contact again.
Rajiv
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
HI Elaine
How are you doing? Are you in contact with Jacob now?
PS.. Rajiv - why you suggesting camphor ?
How are you doing? Are you in contact with Jacob now?
PS.. Rajiv - why you suggesting camphor ?
carlotta last decade
Hi carlotta,
I havn't been in contact with anyone other than this post, i cant get camphor anyway, i have to send away for it and it'll take a while because of the christmas post so is there anything else you can suggest that i might have already. i have a homeopathic kit and a few bits and pieces i was recommended for other things in the past.
Thanks Elaine
I havn't been in contact with anyone other than this post, i cant get camphor anyway, i have to send away for it and it'll take a while because of the christmas post so is there anything else you can suggest that i might have already. i have a homeopathic kit and a few bits and pieces i was recommended for other things in the past.
Thanks Elaine
elainesmyth68 last decade
Hi again,
forgot to mention how i was, well my hair is still fallin out and the spots on my face are some pus and quite bloody and skin around them dry and red and really sore, i still have my pmt sypmtoms, bloating and to be honest i've hardly left the house even to go shopping because i feel so self conscious about my skin and hair, my skin was lovely before i took that remedy because i would get etopic excema when i come in contact with anything and joe recommended arnica and nat phos for my bowel problems and my skin cleared up lovely, my skin has never been this bad in my life and i got a cold sore on my lip too, i never get them.
forgot to mention how i was, well my hair is still fallin out and the spots on my face are some pus and quite bloody and skin around them dry and red and really sore, i still have my pmt sypmtoms, bloating and to be honest i've hardly left the house even to go shopping because i feel so self conscious about my skin and hair, my skin was lovely before i took that remedy because i would get etopic excema when i come in contact with anything and joe recommended arnica and nat phos for my bowel problems and my skin cleared up lovely, my skin has never been this bad in my life and i got a cold sore on my lip too, i never get them.
elainesmyth68 last decade
When you can get hold of Nitri Spiritus Dulcis 30c or 6c which will take the edge of the Nat Mur.
It seems to me like you were recommended far too high a potency and repeated too soon also. The remedy has 'brought to the surface' issues via the skin , resulting in a kind of healing crisis. Keep a watch on how you feel emotionally and whether you feel better on any other levels, apart from with your skin and hair.
Until you can get hold of a remedy (again i recommend you try and contact jacob to confirm choice, you say you haven't..) drink lots of strong peppermint tea made from dried leaf and brewed for 10mins and strained..then left to cool to room temp. Peppermint works as an antidote for nat mur for some. But it'll 'cool' you down and be beneficial for skin 'heat' in any case.
It seems to me like you were recommended far too high a potency and repeated too soon also. The remedy has 'brought to the surface' issues via the skin , resulting in a kind of healing crisis. Keep a watch on how you feel emotionally and whether you feel better on any other levels, apart from with your skin and hair.
Until you can get hold of a remedy (again i recommend you try and contact jacob to confirm choice, you say you haven't..) drink lots of strong peppermint tea made from dried leaf and brewed for 10mins and strained..then left to cool to room temp. Peppermint works as an antidote for nat mur for some. But it'll 'cool' you down and be beneficial for skin 'heat' in any case.
carlotta last decade
This is not a healing crisis. Poor Elaine is proving Natrum Muriaticum because of the irresponsible prescribing of 3 doses of 10M. This high potency, high dose is *way* too high.
busymominme last decade
hi busymominme, carlotta, thanks for your replies, its nice to have a bit of support, i still havn't talked to jacob, i left a post on the thread here desperate for help but got no reply so i only contacted busymominme because of her helpful information on another issue, to be honest i am still afraid to take anything else my hair is still fallin out and since i started to take the arnica wet dose my skin has improved, i'm still feeling really low and on my own with this, but thanks to you's who have been kind enough to reply.
love
Elaine
love
Elaine
elainesmyth68 last decade
Hi Again,
i forgot to mention more about my hair if theres any help you can give me, there is lots of new growth but as i said still hair falling, my niece looked through my scalp yesterday and said under my scalp was badly inflamed, lots of lumps and sores and dryness and a look of excema psoriasis sort of look to some parts, so if you have any ideas, its also very itchy and sore.
thanks
Elaine
i forgot to mention more about my hair if theres any help you can give me, there is lots of new growth but as i said still hair falling, my niece looked through my scalp yesterday and said under my scalp was badly inflamed, lots of lumps and sores and dryness and a look of excema psoriasis sort of look to some parts, so if you have any ideas, its also very itchy and sore.
thanks
Elaine
elainesmyth68 last decade
Hi all
just an update i did try to antidote the nat mur with remedies suggested but not much has changed since my last post, my hair is still falling out and there is a lot of new growth and my skin and scalp still erupts in wee sores pimples sort of things, i'm taking skin hair and nails vitamin and using organic shampoo and conditioner and witch hazel for my skin but thats about it, periods and pmt still as bad
Elaine
just an update i did try to antidote the nat mur with remedies suggested but not much has changed since my last post, my hair is still falling out and there is a lot of new growth and my skin and scalp still erupts in wee sores pimples sort of things, i'm taking skin hair and nails vitamin and using organic shampoo and conditioner and witch hazel for my skin but thats about it, periods and pmt still as bad
Elaine
elainesmyth68 last decade
Hello Elaine, my apologies, I have not been around for some time.
Nat Mur antidotes are: Arsenicum, Phosphorus, Nitri Spiritus Dulcis, Sepia, and Nux Vomica.
If you feel you are still proving the Nat Mur to any degree, I would recommend selecting a remedy from the above list which most accurately fits your symptoms, and apply it just once as low as possible. You may continue selecting the remedies in this way until you feel the Nat Mur has been completely antidoted.
If the antidotes do not bring any relief, then it is unlikely the remedy is the cause of your problems, and I would recommend contacting a Homoeopath in your area.
Best wishes.
Nat Mur antidotes are: Arsenicum, Phosphorus, Nitri Spiritus Dulcis, Sepia, and Nux Vomica.
If you feel you are still proving the Nat Mur to any degree, I would recommend selecting a remedy from the above list which most accurately fits your symptoms, and apply it just once as low as possible. You may continue selecting the remedies in this way until you feel the Nat Mur has been completely antidoted.
If the antidotes do not bring any relief, then it is unlikely the remedy is the cause of your problems, and I would recommend contacting a Homoeopath in your area.
Best wishes.
JCS2006 last decade
Jacob or others, I have a question. Is it possible that even if the remedy is responsible for the aggrevation - for none of the remedy's antidotes to work because that remedy moved the person into a new state?
Also, if a person doesn't know which of the remedies he took is causing the aggrevation, couldn't he just repertorize his symptoms and chose the appropriate remedy; or does it have to be the listed antidote in order to work?
Also, if a person doesn't know which of the remedies he took is causing the aggrevation, couldn't he just repertorize his symptoms and chose the appropriate remedy; or does it have to be the listed antidote in order to work?
starnet last decade
Hi all,
When i put my new sypmtoms in the Remedy Finder it came up for sulphur, so when i checked the grid it had sulphur 46% and Arsenicum Album 47%, so if one of the antidotes is for ars alb what dose would i give myself and how long for,
thanks to everyone who has helped and replied
Elaine
When i put my new sypmtoms in the Remedy Finder it came up for sulphur, so when i checked the grid it had sulphur 46% and Arsenicum Album 47%, so if one of the antidotes is for ars alb what dose would i give myself and how long for,
thanks to everyone who has helped and replied
Elaine
elainesmyth68 last decade
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