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Meningoencephalitis

Hi
My dog was diagnosed with meningoencephalitis. The neurologist says it is non-infectious, that her immune system is overactive. My holistic vet drew blood to rule out fungus or protozoa.
In the meantime, my poor dog is on Cyclosporine, an immune suppressor and she is on Prednisone, another immune suppressor; they are both supposed to be anti-inflammatory in this situation. I can't stand either drug, but do not know of an alternative at this time.
She has about 2 seizures a day that occur in the evening most of the time when she is asleep. She'll be in a deep sleep, individual body parts like a leg or part of face, paw, etc... will twitch independently. When she has an episode it seems to start in her face. Lately, it is as if she is chewing or smacking her mouth together. she is very conscious when the episode is happening and I think she gets worried because she can't completely control her body. Sometimes she tries to stand up, but loses balance. I help her to lay down on her side. Most of the time there is drool. I calmly talk to her. Her body tends to go stiff, legs extend and there is movement, mouth/jaw clenches. I caress her. when her body loosens enough for me do open her mouth safely, I put drops of a herbal, homeopathic combo in her mouth and she comes of the seizure pretty quickly. They tend to last less than 30 seconds. The combo has passiflora, skullcap, belladonna 30c, hyscymus 30c, Cuprum Metallicum 30c.

Suggestions, thoughts, referrals, prayers welcome

Brigitte, Tela & Moon-doggy
 
  Telamoon on 2007-10-22
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Hello Brigitte,
I don't know that perticular disorder but all neurologial diseases are kind of depressing.
Except 2 seizres / evening does she have any symptoms?
What did these 2 drugs change?
is she spayed?

(my animals seem to enjoy circular massage-small circles)
 
Astra2012 last decade
When did it all start?why?

When she has seizures is there anything about weather?food?company?
 
Astra2012 last decade
Hi Astra,

She was feeling really good off of the meds. running, happy, full of energy.

Prior to this condition, she was very sensitive to certain noises; this began when she was a pup and continued as she got older only getting worse as she got older. At times she was so sensitive that a thud from above neighbor would make her tremble and shake. It was very prominant last winter and I took her in for it. Also, she developed aggression towards certain dogs, she seemed like she had a lot of anger... I see this now as irritability which turned into bad aggression. I suspect that she had a form of this meningitis developing early on... maybe because of vaccines as a pup or the compromising of her immune system at a young age.

After these seizures started in July and I added an chinese herb combo called zizyphus 18 plus other things, the sensitivity to noise and her aggression went away! The only time I saw the noise sensitivity again was the day I took her to an NAET practitioner Sept. 22.

She was originally put on prednisone and cyclosporine and phenobarb back in July. I first took her off the pred, then the cyclosporine and by the end of august she was off the phenobarb.

I don't know if it was the seizures or the herbs or the progression of her dis-ease, but the aggression and noise sensitivity no longer exist since this illness.

Without the medication the symtoms are lethargy, sleeping more, siezures and there was for a short time a purplish flush to her belly skin.

I think that is everything.

thank you for your interest
:-)
 
Telamoon last decade
ps. If you like I can email you the full bio I wrote up for her holistic vet.
 
Telamoon last decade
Astra,
I found my posts from last year regarding the noise sensitivity concerns that i post here last year.

This is from 12/9/2006 regarding Tela’s noise sensitivity. I went to ABChomeopathy support section to see if I could get some help for her. It details what she was like last year re: noise. My post are from Telamoon.
See below...

Noise Sensitive Dog
From Telamoon
on 2006-12-09
7 replies
372 views
Happy Holidays,

I am trying to get some help for my 8 year old Austrailian Cattledog/Sherperd mix. She has VERY BIG EARs. HUGE.
When she is in my apartment and hears a cracking, thuddy, banging, stomping or snap type coming from upstairs or outside she lowers her head and tries to find a safe place to hide. Fireworks and shot like noises are a nightmare for both her & my male dog, but he is not bothered by the other noises I mentioned above.
The sound of passenger planes flying disturb her when she is indoors. Helicopters are not a problem. If we are at a park and people are playing softball or baseball the sound of the bat hitting the ball or the ball hitting the backboard makes her terribly nervous. She cowers and trembles.
If the neighbor upstairs drops something she gets up and moves to a different spot out of fear. My male seems to be picking up some of her fear and it concerns me.
Wind can be a problem at times too and it doesn't have to be howling wind.
Sometimes she will have a stressful time during walks and just want to go into a doorway.
When she was just a pup she was afraid of the garbage trucks and street sweepers and if the windows would creek from the slightest movement not caused by me.
Windchimes disturb her too.

She is a sweet dog, loves to run and play. Adores people and strangers.
She has an aggressive side to her that comes out towards other dogs. Sometimes it is as if she is reacting out of the attitude, 'im gonna get you before you get me.' Other times it is as if she senses the weekness of another dog or she thinks she has to protect her territory or other pack members. She shares and plays well with her friends and dogs she learns to trust. She is lean, smart, excellent appetite, loves life when she is not being bombarded with uncomfortable sounds or potentially threatening dogs.
Any suggestions?


Re: Noise Sensitive Dog
From rajivprasad
on 2006-12-09
Your dog seems to be of a Phosphorous constitution.Give him a couple of doses of Phosphorous 30 and then wait for a few days to judge response.

Rajiv


Re: Noise Sensitive Dog
From kuldeep
on 2006-12-09
If phosphorous fails: Try Aurum Metallicaum 30.


Re: Noise Sensitive Dog
From Telamoon
on 2006-12-09
Thank you... I will do so immediately.
I just gave her 5 pellets of the only phosphorous that I have which is phosp 200ck, is this ok? The dosing said 5 pellet for children and adults.

When should I give the next dose?


Thank you for your help.

Re: Noise Sensitive Dog
From rajivprasad
on 2006-12-09
Watch your dog's symptoms for at least a week and then report on this forum.

Rajiv

Re: Noise Sensitive Dog
From Telamoon
on 2006-12-11
Hello,
I know it was suggested I watch my dog's symptoms for a week, but she is so disturbed that I have to ask if there is something that might work a little quicker. I don't think she is getting much sleep and she looks so stressed.
She goes from one spot to another every few minutes. She was just in the bathtub, heard a noise then came over to me and pawed me (which she rarely ever does, she only does it when she is trying to get me to help her from the noise)
She is laying on a blanket i put in a hallway listening. The neighbor upstairs is moving around so she is hearing the creeking of the floors and the thud noises.
When I was in the kitchen she came into the kitchen sat down facing the wall and trembled her eyes closing like she was falling asleep then opening again. Her noise occassionally drips clear.
She doesn't like to be held but will let me cover her for a bit with my body. She will stop trembling for a moment but then it starts up again.
The noise from water going the pipes seems to disturb her too; either nieghbor is turning on water or flushing and the noise isn't loud but she is picking up on everything! listening for it it seems.
Can anyone tell me this is about?

re: my dog is not better please some advice noise sensitive dog
From Telamoon
on 2006-12-12
Please, after the first 5 pellets, my dog has not improved. I cannot watch as she suffers like this. In fear, she comes up to me and nudges me (which she NEVER does) to get me to do something for her. Should I be giving her more phosophorus, a different remedy such as Aconite or Silica or add some flower essenses? Please Please advise.

Remember, her noise sensitivity is most dramatic in my apartment. She is not affected by the radio or music, just thuddy, creeky noises through the walls or outside noises like fireworks and snap-like sharp noises and sometimes wind chimes wooden or metal.

Thank you.

Re: Noise Sensitive Dog
From rajivprasad
on 2006-12-13
Two other remedies that you could try is Borax and Opium.Both of them are frightened by noises and are sensitive to them.Borax is indicated more if the dog also has a marked fear of downward motion.

Opium hears the smallest noises and it disturbs them.It seems as if they are listening for noises.Best will be if you could meet a homepath in person.It is difficult to prescribe for a dog from a distance.

You may contact Wim, a very fine homeopathic vet..You can find his contact details from hpathy forum.

Rajiv
 
Telamoon last decade
Thanks for all the info.

However I'm a bit confused:

1. is she off the drugs now or you started them again?

2. Which one is true?
this
'She was feeling really good off of the meds. running, happy, full of energy. '

or that
'Without the medication the symtoms are lethargy, sleeping more, ...'


or both?
Please tell us her symptoms now.
 
Astra2012 last decade
for the most part, off the meds she was feeling good, running happy, friendly etc... but she did show signs of lethargy, and sleeping more.

She is back on the meds because she had a relapse in colorado (we live at sea level in santa monica) and the altitude had her seizuring often. so the regular vets put her back on meds. she is barky, hungry (due to prednisone), from 5ish on she gets hungry and demands food, her symptoms are worse in the evening and at home, she doesn't like me to leave with out her so she will bark. If I leave her in the car with my other dog, she will bark. She was never like this. In the evening it seems that when she falls asleep it is more likely for her to have a seizure. whenever she is somewhere there is food or smells of food she searches and sniffs around. (this again is a side affect of the prednisone).

this is an example of her evening seizures:
Seizure Monday Oct. 22 -1:40 am - Tela was sleeping. I had seen mild twitching in her face, twitching of limbs, sporatically throughout the evening as she rested. Twitching as she starts dozing off. Tela was resting as this seizure began. This seizure started off with her chewing/smacking of her mouth and her sitting up quickly as if she knew she was having an episode. She then stood up held left paw up while smacking mouth together. I came over. Her eyes were open and with an alert expression and I think pupils were big. Its evening but the lights are on. She slowly turned her head toward her back, her rear while still smacking her mouth together. Whatever kicked in got her to the point where she tried to balance herself or gain control of herself so I helped her lay down on her right side, her rear legs were stiff but moving, top leg more so. She got up tried to get her footing, then I helped her to her side again and put some EaseSure drops in her mouth. She started coming back. When I saw she was coming out of it I gave her about 30 sec and I put a little on her gum. When I initially gave tela the easesure, she smacked her mouth together and came out of the seizure and layed on her right side for about a minute or so. When she got up she immediately wanted food. I gave her green beans, pumpkin and skullcap. I made her pee outside. She came in then pooed inside. She’s been doing this a lot.

Also, 2:34am still pacing, she did something with her jaw, like chewing, like she was getting something out of the space btwn her gum and lips then she peed on the floor. She is also trying to eat weird things, my jembey drum, a cd jewel case, plant leaves… she’s desperate even with food in belly. 2:53 she’s still pacing and whining.
 
Telamoon last decade
Allopathic drugs not only change symptoms but also antidote homeopathic remedes!

If you want to add a hom.rem. to her treatment try to give it at least half an hour before/after.

I recommend that you take her to homeopath, since it is a progressive dis. meaning that symptoms change + personal contact might result in better selection of remedy-

as I came up with few and can't seem to decide between OENANTHE, STRAMONIUM, BUFO RANA, CICUTA (I also like HYOSCAMUS but she is already getting it).

Of the four I would try BUFO RANA 6c first. (I think she needs low potencies but often!)
get liquid remedy. put a dose (3-5 drops) into a 0.5l bottle about half filled with water-shake; 3 times a day: shake that bottle and squirt about 1 teaspoon on her clean bowl.

except half an hour from drugs it should also be about half an hour before/after meals.

If she has any striking reaction to this remedy-stop, however I'm really not sure how you could distinguish.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Hi Astra

Good news. We were seizure free last night, first night in 5 days! I had given her 1000mg taurine, 3mg melatonin, 40 drops skullcap.

In regards to allopathic drugs that is one of my concerns besides the fact that they aren't safe. I am going down in dosage and looking into giving her therapeutic doses of MSM & other supps for the inflammation.

i haven't been giving Tela the Easesure on a regular basis because twice when I have given it when she wasn't seizuring, she had a seizure about a half hour later.

did i mention that I gave her a dose of Aconite sometime early July? this was before all this started.

Her vet does homeopathy so I am going to have her figure a remedy.

I am concerned about the meds interacting with the remedy.

i guess I will wait on giving her a remedy. I had thought either belladonna or stramonium, but that was from doing the self-test via this website. I am not a trained homeopath.

Thank for everything Astra. I will research the remedies you selected.

What is the best way to know which remedy is suitable?
Where can I find a good tutorial on line?
 
Telamoon last decade
That's why I asked if she was spayed: prednisone has nasty side effect in unspayed dogs (with estrogen): mammary tumors!

Seems though that you are on good way!

Belladonna';s symptoms are sudden and rather violent. And maybe some fever, or something red - like skin for example. Stram. and Hyos. are less violent and less feverish but similiar.
Oeanthe covers epilepsy somehow connected with female physiology (nice guys called it then 'hysterical epilepsy') and cicuta has this stiffness, like turning head backwads or to the side.

Reading about Bufo in Murphy's Materia Medica I found a mention about pacing after seizure.

Best luck to both of you!
 
Astra2012 last decade
Thoughts about Zinc Metallicum, Bioplasma, or nerve tonic?
 
Telamoon last decade
Zinc- here? I don't think so.(it's twitching, for example, are continuous, not epileptic)

Bioplasma:I'm a fan of it. I was sure i even adviced you bioplasma... by all means give it if you can

nerve tonic: what is it?
 
Astra2012 last decade
Please keep in mind that I can be wrong (if the homeopath thinks it is zinc... she/he might see a picture of zinc in you dog).
It is a great advantage to see her.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Her holistic vet acutally suggested Silicia ( sp?) at a 6x potency 3 times a day.

The twitching is better since she is off the prednisone, and on additional supplements. But it only happens when she is falling asleep or asleep dreaming.

Thankfully we have been seizure-free since oct23.
 
Telamoon last decade

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