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Nat-m caused herpes?
My mother takes any natural remedy offered to her like candy - like it'll rock her world. She took a single dose Nat-M 10M 1 month ago, and within the week plunged into a deep depression with 'glimpses' of severe hopelessness. That all lifted as fast as it came, by week's end - and then a rash on her knuckle started.It looks like herpes! It's red, surface-layer, itches, burns, and has the tiniest clear pustules. The area is the size of a dime, and only calms for a little while with neosporin. Where the skin is healing, the area looks red and the bumps of a lighter whitish shade. Where the skin is open, it's red-lined with tiny cracks - not deep at all.
She's never seen anything like this before - and I'm wondering, did the high dose Nat-M cause this to surface? Maybe she should take some more lower dose, like 6 globules of 30X 3x a day?
--Scarlet
Scarletpump on 2005-01-17
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From what you say, who ever chose Nat Mur was very right on. Yes, it brought out suppressed conditions in her body.
If she takes another dose it will probably ease off the response. Do not go lower.
It is disturbing for anyone to be offered homeopathy "like candy" but it is truely not a harmful form of alternative medicine.
When people really learn how and what homeopathy is, they sometimes become very gung-ho about it. Tiny babies can take it without harm. Older persons that have been on allopathic meds for years sometimes show what we call a response. It is not like side-effects of allopathic meds. It releases instead of suppressing.
We refer to all as remedies. The Nat Mur is made from table salt. This cannot poison her. The response will not last.
The only other thing that "may" happen is that this dosage may have released some old suppressions and she will require another remedy to treat whatever new (old) symptoms that occur.
Keep in touch after the second (one) dose, we will help you if the skin condition continues.
I have been a practitioner for 40 years. Raised an asthmatic on it. H. saved his life. No longer has asthma.
Blessings, Sabra
If she takes another dose it will probably ease off the response. Do not go lower.
It is disturbing for anyone to be offered homeopathy "like candy" but it is truely not a harmful form of alternative medicine.
When people really learn how and what homeopathy is, they sometimes become very gung-ho about it. Tiny babies can take it without harm. Older persons that have been on allopathic meds for years sometimes show what we call a response. It is not like side-effects of allopathic meds. It releases instead of suppressing.
We refer to all as remedies. The Nat Mur is made from table salt. This cannot poison her. The response will not last.
The only other thing that "may" happen is that this dosage may have released some old suppressions and she will require another remedy to treat whatever new (old) symptoms that occur.
Keep in touch after the second (one) dose, we will help you if the skin condition continues.
I have been a practitioner for 40 years. Raised an asthmatic on it. H. saved his life. No longer has asthma.
Blessings, Sabra
♡ sabra last decade
Thank you Sabra - as spooked as I am personally that there's really something this POWERFUL in the remedies, I'm aware too that Nat Mur is right on. I'll be honest - her immediate mood plunge followed by this outbreak is a little frightening to me! I'm glad she called me however, so I can help her sort out her next steps. I think experiences like this might help her slow down the rate at which she looks for healing.
The good thing is she followed the homeopathic suggestions to the dot - she took the one dose on a clean palate, avoided what might work against it (like mints, coffee), and then waited it out. She didn't take any other remedy of any nature either. So we're both really clear it's the Nat Mur.
No lower - is this because her response was so profound at such a high dose? I'm not familiar with any logic in prescribing past the #Cs. I was thinking this new rash might be considered a recent thing (in one sense) - and thus might respond to the lower Xs and Cs. At the same time, this new rash _absolutely_ rings every bell in my intuitive body that it's an old thing, a suppressed thing.
(And wowzers with your asthmatic. I've had episodes where I couldn't breathe for 2-3 breaths. It's not for the weak-hearted.)
--Sandra
The good thing is she followed the homeopathic suggestions to the dot - she took the one dose on a clean palate, avoided what might work against it (like mints, coffee), and then waited it out. She didn't take any other remedy of any nature either. So we're both really clear it's the Nat Mur.
No lower - is this because her response was so profound at such a high dose? I'm not familiar with any logic in prescribing past the #Cs. I was thinking this new rash might be considered a recent thing (in one sense) - and thus might respond to the lower Xs and Cs. At the same time, this new rash _absolutely_ rings every bell in my intuitive body that it's an old thing, a suppressed thing.
(And wowzers with your asthmatic. I've had episodes where I couldn't breathe for 2-3 breaths. It's not for the weak-hearted.)
--Sandra
Scarletpump last decade
Dear Sandra, yes, I am sure it is release of the suppression, but it is not herpes. Herpes is almost always near or around moist places.
Lower X's are stronger in a round about way. It is confusing and sounds contradictive. The 30C is "stronger" by comparison, but the X's are more to the crude side, however minuscule.
This is why I suggest same potency for second dose.
It is so seldom there is such a profound response. It is good that you encourage your woman's intuition. The adverage man usually does not understand this. Actually we do not either, we just know it IS!
I am waiting to see your report on the second dose. Also a bit of information, Nat Mur is also good for the skin discription. If she develops a dry "crack" in her lower lip...This is also indicative of Nat. Mur.
Caution your Mother that while Homeopathy is safe, some crude herbs (brown liquid in dropper bottle) must be handled more with caution. Limit the intake etc.
One needs to know what one is doing with this type of alternative herbs.
Blessings, Sabra
Lower X's are stronger in a round about way. It is confusing and sounds contradictive. The 30C is "stronger" by comparison, but the X's are more to the crude side, however minuscule.
This is why I suggest same potency for second dose.
It is so seldom there is such a profound response. It is good that you encourage your woman's intuition. The adverage man usually does not understand this. Actually we do not either, we just know it IS!
I am waiting to see your report on the second dose. Also a bit of information, Nat Mur is also good for the skin discription. If she develops a dry "crack" in her lower lip...This is also indicative of Nat. Mur.
Caution your Mother that while Homeopathy is safe, some crude herbs (brown liquid in dropper bottle) must be handled more with caution. Limit the intake etc.
One needs to know what one is doing with this type of alternative herbs.
Blessings, Sabra
♡ sabra last decade
Confirm what Sabra says . Kent said that the higher will antidote the ill effects of the lower . Herpes can lay dormant in the base of the spine [coccyx] for many years. Homeopathy does not cause anything - only reveals what is there . And hopefully cures.
passkey last decade
Okay, thanks. While I'm waiting for 2 new 10Ms to arrive (just in case the 2nd one unleashed another response!) - I'm curious about the longevity of the cure. How long might she have to keep taking Nat Mur? Or would anybody? Is there an expected declaration of inner harmony or something?
Sandra
Sandra
Scarletpump last decade
If it works the effects will be obvious. When its stops working -and that could be months- take another dose .
passkey last decade
Sabra and Passkey
If it is an old suppressed symtom coming out,why don't we leave it alone,for some more time?It may resolve on its own.
The aggravation,and the subsequent amel.is a very positive sign that the medicine started working,and hence I would like to be more cautious with repetetion,right now.
I understand neosporin is an external ointment.By using it,we are tring to drive in the problem once more.If it is bearable,better to wait it out,without any further medication.The external usage of the ointment is to be stopped forthwith.
Murthy
If it is an old suppressed symtom coming out,why don't we leave it alone,for some more time?It may resolve on its own.
The aggravation,and the subsequent amel.is a very positive sign that the medicine started working,and hence I would like to be more cautious with repetetion,right now.
I understand neosporin is an external ointment.By using it,we are tring to drive in the problem once more.If it is bearable,better to wait it out,without any further medication.The external usage of the ointment is to be stopped forthwith.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi Murthy - She wasn't comfortable with the Neosporin for 2 reasons. 1) It was pallative and seemed to stop it's relieving effects within the hour. 2) It's a petroleum-based "go away" (i.e. suppress) treatment. I sympathize with her, yet the itching is unbearable!
She did report yesterday that while the itching is still maxed out, the brokenness of the skin is changing. Whatever it is literally looks like scum rising to the surface.
Help with the itching?!
She did report yesterday that while the itching is still maxed out, the brokenness of the skin is changing. Whatever it is literally looks like scum rising to the surface.
Help with the itching?!
Scarletpump last decade
Give her placebo.(unmedicated sugar pills.)
It should show signs of going away,in about a week.If not,we have to review the case.
Murthy
It should show signs of going away,in about a week.If not,we have to review the case.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
The reason we suggested the 2nd dose was because you asked and this is normally what is done. No one "must" to do this.
I just had a thought about something you said. Please describe the hand at length.
The placebos seem a good idea in the case of your mother. I am also a hypnotherapist, and I have seen unbelievable things between the mind and body.
You also must stop acting so very emotionally concerned.
One can get UNmedicated pellets from same place one buys remedies. Smallest bottle is usually 6 oz. Not expensive. Inquire and make sure they are the same size.
DO NOT EVER let her know you did this. She will never trust you again. This is more important than anything.
Very good idea Murthy!
Keep posting Sandra.
I just had a thought about something you said. Please describe the hand at length.
The placebos seem a good idea in the case of your mother. I am also a hypnotherapist, and I have seen unbelievable things between the mind and body.
You also must stop acting so very emotionally concerned.
One can get UNmedicated pellets from same place one buys remedies. Smallest bottle is usually 6 oz. Not expensive. Inquire and make sure they are the same size.
DO NOT EVER let her know you did this. She will never trust you again. This is more important than anything.
Very good idea Murthy!
Keep posting Sandra.
♡ sabra last decade
I am not sure why she took Nat Mur in the first place. Was it an acute or chronic (long standing)issue? It seems like a very high dose, and should NOT be repeated, until the aggrevation subsides, and then look at the picture again of waht she needs and why she is taking. I might have missed why she was taking it in the first place.
I am sure the severe depression/hopelessness was an aggrevation, and a proving of the remedy (means if you take too much, the symptoms of the remedy will come up). This is NOT wanted.
I looked it up in the MM and it does state hopelessness and herpatic eruptions around the knuckles!
Good luck!
Loree
I am sure the severe depression/hopelessness was an aggrevation, and a proving of the remedy (means if you take too much, the symptoms of the remedy will come up). This is NOT wanted.
I looked it up in the MM and it does state hopelessness and herpatic eruptions around the knuckles!
Good luck!
Loree
loree last decade
BTW: Yes, you can try to "antidote" the remedy, if the aggrevations are too much by a lower dose of the same remedy. I just went through the same thing with Nat Mur, and I wish it on no one (hoplessness, etc)...I antidoted and had 75% relief, but can still tell I am unsettled, which tells me the remedy is still working. Be careful with high doses, as the mental/emotional plane can be very fragile in many people!!
Loree
Loree
loree last decade
I also found this "lower potency" use in another book. So it seems to be the way to go at this time. It will not hurt her.
Blessings, Sabra
Blessings, Sabra
♡ sabra last decade
bandarbabu2000 last decade
High dose Nat-M cause this to surface? Nobody can be sure and even if it did, this could be beneficial for the longer term. I believe all aggrevations just give a nasty shock to the body but just a shock. If it was really a shock by NM, you can continue using it. 30 C is the right potency.
pw3000 last decade
Thanks all, for everything re the oatmeal, antidoting, logic behind too high dosage, causation vs. suppression, etc.
The higher doses came - she took another, and then bloated up. I think we're in an antidote category by now. All she has handy at the moment is Phosphorus 6C, and the way I read the MM - there's some logic for antidoting that. You all are saying Nat Mur (say 30C) for antidote?
I'm encouraging her to go back to her homeopath. She just experienced a huge money crunch these last few months, and I know she'll get back to a more managed experience soon.
Thanks again, Sandra
The higher doses came - she took another, and then bloated up. I think we're in an antidote category by now. All she has handy at the moment is Phosphorus 6C, and the way I read the MM - there's some logic for antidoting that. You all are saying Nat Mur (say 30C) for antidote?
I'm encouraging her to go back to her homeopath. She just experienced a huge money crunch these last few months, and I know she'll get back to a more managed experience soon.
Thanks again, Sandra
Scarletpump last decade
If she is not that aggrevated and OK with it, you can wait it out. You can antidote with Nat Mur lower dose if needed, usually uner 30C, but I guess you can use what you have for one dose and see. So why is she taking Nat Mur?
Good luck!
Loree
PS: I think if you posted her whole case on the forum, you would have a better outcome to your Mom's problems and then people could follow up with her case!
Good luck!
Loree
PS: I think if you posted her whole case on the forum, you would have a better outcome to your Mom's problems and then people could follow up with her case!
loree last decade
♡ sabra last decade
I ran across this when I came to the forum to post my recent success with my child's herpes condition. She has dicovered that if she takes Nat Mur 6x everyday (just one pill) that she never suffers break outs anymore. Odd somone would consider Nat Mur to cause is.
roxroe last decade
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