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Feline Aggression

Hello, my name is Victoria and I am looking for advice. I currently have 2 cats of my own and I help run a no-kill cat shelter and almost always have a foster cat in my home. I currently have a Maine Coon foster who is a rather large male. One of my cats does not care if there is another cat in the house and is nice to him. My rather large tuxedo cat is acting very aggressive and stalking the Maine Coon. I have been trying Rescue remedy for over a month now and things just seem to be getting worse. Can anyone recommend a homeopathic remedy for my aggressive cat? I have tried the sprays and plug in's and even separating the cats but things just don't stop. The Vet wants to heavily medicate the cat and I don't want to go that angle. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Victoria
Mary's Kitty Korner
 
  vrnav on 2005-02-09
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Nat mur high say 10m will often help this problem .
 
passkey last decade
Hi Victoria
Could you tell us more about that cat?
 
Astra2012 last decade
Sure, my cat is named Cosmo Kramer (from Seinfield) he has been with me since he was 4-5 weeks old. He is turning 7 this April. He is a strictly indoor cat and I swear he thinks he is a dog. I also have 2 Great Danes and he is extremly attached to them both. Cosmo is the ruler of the roost over the dogs and my other cat Maxxwell Smart. Since I got Cosmo so young (someone was going to put his entire litter to sleep so I took them all and adopted them all out and kept Cosmo) he was unable to get up and down furniture and stairs because he was so tiny so myself and family carried him everywhere. I now think this has caused his "I'm King" complex. Cosmo does not have to clean himself if he does not want to as Maxxwell takes care of him as he has loved to do since day #1. Things are usually very harmonious in the house except every few months Cosmo tries to attack Maxxwell and I break it up because Maxxwell does not understand and I am not putting up with Cosmo trying to establish even more dominance when it is clearly set with the animals and he is not challenged.

All my foster cats so far (since last August) have been female or if male they were kittens (4-13weeks) so Cosmo was not bothered. He played with the cats and slept with them and cared for them until Joshua came home 5 weeks ago. Joshua was attacked by a dog and he is a very scared cat. Cosmo will not let him get off the bed except to eat and use the litter box. He chases him everywhere and it makes me very angry. I close my bedroom door to stop this and when I am gone to work I find that Cosmo has pushed is 17lbs body to open the door. There are times when I find them both on the bed sleeping and it blows my mind and makes no sense to me. Now please understand Joshua does not try to take over the house and has let Cosmo know he is not trying to claim dominance and he understands his place. I am just lost on what to do for Cosmo. Joshua does go to a Homeopathic Vet for his IBD and emotional state but the shelter paid $265 for that and I don't have that at hand to take Cosmo right now. I am currently saving that to get Maxxwell there to help get him off Pred for his IBD.

As you can see I am in a spot and need Cosmo to chill out with Joshua. Any help would be appreciated and I hope I have explained enough. If you need specifics please ask.

Sincerely,

Victoria
 
vrnav last decade
What exactly is Nat Mur High and what will it do? Can I find it at a certain store?

Thanks,

Victoria
 
vrnav last decade
He is not neutered, is he?

It's a wonderful thing that you are doing with all these cats. My stray cat had 5 kittens (they are 10 y/o already!) and for some reason they do not like the only sister- and nothing seems to help. And they all have different personalities!

PLATINA is the remedy which has superiority complex-looks down on everyone.
BELLADONNA is more aggressive-bites and scratches.
you choose.

Hopefully one of them will help. try 30c, single dose, post.
 
Astra2012 last decade
PLATINA has superiority complex, looks down at everyone.

BELLADONNA is more aggressive: bites and scratches.

You choose. (I recommend single dose 30c-post results please).
 
Astra2012 last decade
Wow Victoria, you really have your hands full!

Astra and Passkey gave some wonderful recommendations!

I just want to pass along what I have learned from my 23 four-legged ones, and maybe it will be of some use for you.

-Teach yourself T-Touch (short for Tellington Touch) There are books and classes on this. Very easy, and you can use it on them, while you are sitting with them, instead of just petting them as it will retrain their brains, not to fight or flight but to calm down.

I mainly use 200C remedies with my animals, one pill diluted in four ounces of water and I dose them one teaspoon as needed. Yes, use higher doses if needed or recommended.

-Belladonna-Pupils are dilated, glassy-eyed look, anger, flies into a rage,they may have red, hot, ears, or eyes, and may tear up bedding or furniture, inflammation, restless, delirious, aggressive.

-Hyoscyamus-Hypersexual, animals that hump legs, or whatever they can, even if neutered, suspicion, jealousy.

-Lachesis-They hate anything around their neck especially collars, are jealous and suspicious but not as intense as Hyoscyamus, aggression comes from a perceived threat, think of a snake striking its prey, worse when sleeping, be cautious when dealing with them just waking up.

-Staphysagria-Females or males who spray, have aggression, resentment that another animal is brought into the house, any changes in their life that result in anger of the animal, anger, a must to use after any female has been spayed. Also good for decaying teeth where the tops are blackened and yes, it will reverse it. They also cower/shake/startle at loud voices or sudden moves, like if you go to pet them, from their memories of previous abuse. I helped a dog over come his abuse with this remedy, and he would not let anyone get within 10 feet of him. Now he is like a barnacle on my leg and plays again like a puppy.

-Nux Vomica-Chilly, thin, wants to be left alone, bossy, first in line for food and attention. Great for hairballs, constipation or diarrhea with lots of straining and detoxing.

-Stramonium-Post-rabies vaccination aggression, fear triggers the aggression, fear of the dark or bright lights.

-Merc Viv-They are worse from discipline, may bite and snarl when disciplined, tend to have mouth problems, do not like the extremes of hot nor cold.

-Phosphorus-Narrow-bodied, very vocal especially with food, vomits water or food within 30 minutes after eating, class clown, life of the party, burn out quickly, bleed easily. Fear of thunder and fireworks as well.

-Pulsatilla-Shy,sweet, affectionate, dogs that bark when you leave because they don't want to be left alone, prefers cool surfaces to lie on, eye discharges.

-Natrum Mur-Worse from consolation, they are fine when you pet them, and then they lash out, and sulk afterwards. Likes salt, worse from heat or sun, good for any animal that has been abandoned, separted from mom too early, or siblings too early. Works nicely in conjunction with Ignatia if needed.

-Ignatia-Good for any animal who has grief, sadness, loss of appetite from this, any animal that has been abused, neglected, abandoned, lost a loved one, etc.

-Sepia-Animals that are difficult to medicate, very chilly, sad, like to hide, and have dirty, waxy, itchy ears. I use the 30C daily here, until resolved.

Arsenicum Album-Poisoning, very thin animals, who have a fear of being left alone and worsen when left alone, solitude is a no-no because of their anxiety, obsessive cleaning of themselves, very chilly, thirsty, but drink little sips of water often, may or may not eat, and hangs head over food but does not eat, they are restless and change positions often, weakness, symptoms worse before midnight.

I use a spray bottle of water with Rescue Remedy in it to discipline my cats when they are out of line. It seems to set them straight and calm them. It gives them a stern warning without inflicting fear in them.

I have minor feuding in my pack but no litter box problems. Keeping a night light on in the laundry room has resolved this completely.

Ignore bad behavior when possible and reward, reward, reward good behavior.

Every group of animals has its dominators and non-dominators, it is how they survive in the wild. The goal is to make the best life possible where all these creatures can live in harmony.

I recommend the book written by a homeopathic DVM Homeopathic Care for Dogs and Cats by Don Hamilton.

I commend you for your efforts; you are an earth angel.

Bless you
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
Yes I forgot to mention that Cosmo and Maxxwell are both fixed. My current foster Joshua is also fixed and 3 years ago he has a surgery called (in sort) "PU" where he is technically now a girl to allow for stones to not obstruct and pass easily.
 
vrnav last decade
To:Astra2012

I will read more on the two suggestions you have and when I decide which will best fit Cosmo and I try it I will post the results. Thank you so much for your help, I appreciate it more then you know.

Victoria
Mary's Kitty Korner
 
vrnav last decade
To:Namaste27

A good Westie breeder I know of loves Don Hamilton and swears by him. She even has phone consultation with him in New Mexico and pays a good price but feels he is amazing. I will go out this weekend and buy the book, thanks for the suggestion.

Your wrote, "I have minor feuding in my pack but no litter box problems. Keeping a night light on in the laundry room has resolved this completely."

How in the world did you get the use of a night-light to resolve litter box issues? My Maxxwell will always go outside the box but only on the bathroom floor or in the tub. He does this when his IBD acts up and when he is mad over a current foster cat. I have three litter boxes in the bathroom and one in the basement to try and help this problem but it is hit or miss sometimes with it working.

You wrote, "spray bottle of water with Rescue Remedy"

Good idea as the straight RR in water to drink seems to not be enough.

Your wrote, "Teach yourself T-Touch (short for Tellington Touch) "

Funny you should mention that because my canine behaviorist for my youngest Dane uses that method on him and it works wonders, as he is a nervous Dane by nature. My other Dane is a retired Police Dog and a brut for a girl.
 
vrnav last decade
To Passkey: You wrote,"Nat mur high say 10m will often help this problem ."

Have you used this before and what results have you had?
 
vrnav last decade
What are the differences in 30c-
200C

I have only used Sulfur 30c as told by the Homeopath for Joshua and his IBD. I have no honest idea what the differences in the dose with numbers are.

Victoria
 
vrnav last decade
200c is stronger than 30c.
If Namaste uses it with animals then it is fine-she is our animal expert.

I usually use 30c after my dog had 2-day diarrhea after sulphur 15c (very low!)-it was "my first case" and I didn't know then that she needed lower potencies because she was allergic (allergy means more sensitivity).After these unfortunate 2 days she was suddenly in perfect health (before she scratched and pulled her hair and vet kept giving her prednisolone. After that sulphur she never had problems).

And she (as well as my cats) love T-touch!


I posted twice above as iiit seemed that the first post didn't go through. Sorry.

With all these animals around I'm sure you will appreciate homeopathy!
 
Astra2012 last decade
Thank you for the support, Astra, it means a lot to me :-)

Vicki,

Here is some information I have gathered over the years on litterbox/litterbox problems, etc. I have 21 rescued cats and two enormous, covered, litterboxes, with no problems. But every household is different, you may have to keep a litterbox on every floor for the rest of their lives to help them feel safe.

Cats cannot see in the dark, only in low light so when you put a night light by the litter box, it prevents them from going outside of the litterbox as long as there is not some other underlying problem.

Make sure as well that the litterboxes are not by anything that makes noise, like the furnace, ac unit, etc. When cats are in the litterbox they are very vulnerable to an attack, imagine if they were in the wild, squatting, they would be vulnerable to attack. So if they feel threatened they won't use it. I use scoopable litter because I know that is the closest thing to the sands of Egypt and for my cats who were cruelly declawed by their previous owners, this is what feels best on their toes.

It has been said to open most homeopathic cases with a dose of Nux Vomica 30C, to detox the animal of previous medications, etc. It has also been said that cats that urinate or defecate outside of the litterbox can be stopped by administering one dose of NuX Vomica 30C daily, until it is resolved.
For cats that spray or territorial mark, or have litter box problems due to anger or resentment, I use Staphysagria, but I have read about Ustillago Majus as well, I am not sure if I have the spelling correct on this.

Reocurring bladder problems, especially if they began after vaccination, I use Thuja 30C and work up if needed. My one cat is up to a 10M and is healing as we speak. Thuja is great for any animal that has not been well since vaccination and I believe Don Hamilton says you have to use this first to remove the negative effects of the prior vaccinations before any other remedies will work, in some animals.

For bladder infections, stones, please keep on hand Urtica Urens mother tincture. It saved my cats life. No other remedy worked but this because it dissolved the stones and crystals. He is alive today because I had this on hand in my first aid kit.

Please make sure and praise your animals when they use the litterbox so they associate it with a happy time and a safe on as well. I make such a huge issue out of it for my felines, they think they earned an award or something as they rub against my ankles and purr.

Litterboxes need to be kept clean and as odor free as possible, which is why I add a sprinkle of baking soda to each litter box every few days.

I play a lot of Enya or spiritual music at night to calm the herd down and I sit with them and give them T-touch, they need the bonding time, one on one is key, even if it is 5 minutes each.
It will take time, especially if it is emotional issues with your cats, but the T-Touch and homeopathy will do wonders.

Bless,
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
Namaste: do you have any notes on VERATRUM in cats?
In people it has Platina';s superiority complex plus belladonna';s aggressiveness.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Actually its aggressiveness is different than belladonna';s but it even would fit better.
 
Astra2012 last decade
To: Namaste

You suggested Staphysagria for my aggressive cat Cosmo. Well, Saturday evening I gave him 4 crushed pellets 30c of this and NO JOKE but 5 minutes later he went after Joshua my foster cat and literally tried to kill him. Cosmo became so intent on hurting Joshua that I actually had to jump on him to break up the fight. Joshua would just run and not even try to fight back. Thank God my Mother was visiting and we got Cosmo into my spare bedroom but he then began to attack my Mother & myself. He was hissing, spitting, growling and even grunting he was sooooo angry. He lunged and tried to attack us! I let him out of the spare room an hour later and he has been fine. I did however set up Joshua in my bedroom with food, water and 2 litter boxes because of this. I also have a note on my bedroom door telling anyone who comes over they are not to let Cosmo into the room.

I am mortified because I want to much to help Joshua and I feel bad because he now hides under my bed 24/7. I cannot find another foster home for him because I will have to be honest and disclose to people that he has major litter box issues that I am trying to rehab him with and I know that know one will take him although I refuse to lie. I am upset because he was terrorized by a Pug in his first home of 6 years and then he did got to a new home and then he was returned for his litter box issue and that is how I now have him to try to re-train him. He just goes from one home to another and I don't want him to be scared. I am calling his Homeopath here in CT tomorrow to help him with his sadness and everything but she will only help Cosmo if I pay the $265 fee and I am currently saving that to get my other cat Maxxwell there to get off Prednisone (sp?) and cannot afford to take Cosmo right now. Any ideas or help as I am lost right now.

I did give Maxxwell the same dose of Staphysagria on the same night to help with his teeth as they are in bad shape and he needs another cleaning and tooth extraction. I think it has mixed ok with his Prednisone (sp?)

Sorry for all the typo’s and run on’s I am very tired as it is 3am.


Help...

Victoria
 
vrnav last decade
Well....

The sudden attack of aggression could be the result of a homeopathic aggravation and could be seen as a positive sign, of the body pushing the anger out. Anger is generally deep rooted and long-standing in many individuals. What strength of remedy did you begin with? The storm will pass, and the end result is well worth any aggravation.

If it was not the right remedy then his anger would persist, but you said he did calm down eventually, if I am correct.

I know it can seem like you are at your wits end because you really do have your hands full, but your confidence and calmness is key to their healing as well. Any anger or fear you have will not help these loved ones heal whether it is from what others have done to them or what is going on in your own home. Beneath anger is sadness and your cat is crying out for help, he does not know how else to ask for it. Forgiveness is key. Animals do what they do for a reason, and yours are giving you signals that they need and want your help and that they can be helped.

These creatures came to you for a reason and if you stay focused on achieving your goals for them, they will be achieved. There are no magic pills in homeopathy and often, the patient gets worse before they get better. Nothing lasts forever, and homeopathy takes tremendous patience and persistance.

Please incorporate relaxation techniques in your household for your animals and yourself as well, if you have not done so.

Take it day by day and please know that you have the power to make a huge difference in your animals lives and you are on the right path.

Bless,
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
Victoria,

ooops I apologize, I did not see that you gave him 30C.

If he has the territorial aggression and or marking, teeth that are blackened at the tops, a past of abuse/humiliation where he still cowers or tremebles from loud voices or sudden movements,supressed anger, then Staphysagria could be the one. Otherwise, I would review my previous postings of remedies and see if those match. Astra, may also post suggestions, I am assuming?

You may want to post as much detail as you can about these fits of rage, from beginning to end so we can better understand exactly what type of rage/aggression this is. The more detail the better.

-Pupils dilated when angry?
-Do his ears or tongue get red when he is angry?
-What exactly provokes the attacks?
-Do they occur more at a certain time of the day or night?
-Does he like to lay in the sun and crave warmth?
-Does he like to lay on cold cement and prefers cold weather?
-Does he like to be consoled?
-Does he sigh a lot?
-Is he sensitive to touch, if so, where and what kind of touch?
Etc, etc,.

Bless,
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
Okay,

I am trying to take this all in, have had a very busy day with my herd.

Did you say that his rage comes from him his past of being terrorized by a pug for 6 years?

If so, can we base his anger on fear?
-Fear of being attacked?
-Possessive with people/animals?
Victoria, please write exactly what triggers his fear, so we can get a better mental picture.
-Is he jealous?
-Suspicious?

Astra, any remedies coming to mind I have missed? Flying into a rage triggered by fear?

Bless,
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
Hi Namaste: it was another cat that was terrorized by a pug. Not that aggressive one but his poor victim (like in: once a victim-always a victim...)

Actually to me Staphysagria does well as a victim-remedy, Joshua might benefit from it--since Victoria gave it to him already I wonder if and how he reacted.

As to Cosmo-I also wonder what is the basis for his aggressiveness. Please check your notes for veratrum album in cats.

And Victoria please answer all these question-we have to understand him first before selecting the remedy (and it could be that staphysagria was a right one and he had homeopathic aggravation-if so it shouldn't last long and will be followed by amelioration).
 
Astra2012 last decade
Thanks Astra for the clarification,I guess I got lost in the posting.

Yes! I agree that Staphysagria does well for a victim remedy or for any animal that is bullied.

As for Veratrum Album, I don't have in my notes anything but the collapse, weakness, coldness and diarrhea???????

Also, I found in my notes:

Tarentela-Uncertain temper, rage, petting aggression in cats, extreme restlessness, Worse:motion, contact, noise, Better: open air, music, rubbing affected parts.

Belladonna-Unprovoked aggression towards others.

Like you said we need more detail and more symptoms to better find the remedy that suits.

Bless,
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
We have to wait for Victoria anyway.
Yes, veratrum is not a good fit-seems now (it feels more superior than aggressive). And this cat is really aggressive (poor Victoria-must be really nerve-wrecking for her).
 
Astra2012 last decade
I have a male de-sexed cat, with major anger management issues. I attempt to pat him and after about 30 seconds he lashes out and trys to bite me. He wanderers around the house quite happy, then all of a sudden he goes crazy and attacks. Visitors are petrified of him (which can be a little funny) and I am constantly on my guard waiting for his next attack. Its like he only wants affection when he is ready. I kind of stole him from a neighbour who left him to fend for himself without food & water for a week - Im thinking maybe this is where is anger stems from? I have read advice given on the use of Belladonna & Natrum Mur-Worse to calm him down. I am from Australia and I am not sure what the term 30c relates to. This is obviously the dosage amount, does this stuff come in liquid form? What does the doesage compare to - a tablespoon/teaspoon?
 
steff last decade
Your cat needs anacardium 200c.Just add a drop or 2 in his/her drink once daily till his/her behaviour is back to normal.This is not only suitable for animals but for human beings.
ANACARDIUM is a homeopathic medicine.
200c is the strength of this medicine.
Available on homeopathic store,or contact ABC,they also sell medicines.
sajjad.
 
sajjadakram635 last decade

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