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Abies Nigra with Nat Phos 6X
Can someone prescribe Abies Nigra 30C with Nat Phos 6X? if not please explain why?ritukishan on 2009-07-17
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There are different schools and sub-schools in homeopathy
1. Those who think that Homoeopathic Remedies cannot be combined with other systems of medicines including allopathic medicines
reason
change in symptoms picture due to taking allopathic remedies hinders selection of indicated homeopathic remedy.
2. Those who think that allopathic medicines and homeopathic medicine can be combined.
reason
Some allopathic medicines like that for diabetes and heart can cause death of patient if dis-continued, so there are some homeopaths who advise tapering off the allopathic medicines instead of their sudden withdrawal.
3. Those who think that herbal medicines and homeopathic medicine can be combined.
reason
Herbal medicines are emerging as a substitute for allopathic medicines for heart, diabetes etc. Now when allopathic medication is justified simultaeously why not herbal medication. Morevoer herbal medicines are nothing but food supplements.
4. Those who think that Homeopathic Remedies and Tissue Salts can be combined.
reason
Tissue salts act at the level of nutritional support to body and they do not hinder the action of homepathic remedies.
5. Those who think that multiple homeopathic remedies in high potency can be given simultaneously and very frequently.
reason
There is no bar in any statute atleast passed by the Government of India to this effect. Generally people go to homeopaths in India for chronic health questions. Therefore there is not even a single case against any homeopath for indulging in gross negligence of his duties by not following the principles of homeopathy.
See you have taken Nux Vom as you did'nt have urge to pass stool. Now the MM clearly states that absence of desire to pass stool contra-indicates Nux Vom. It is indicated when there is ineffectual desire to pass stool.
So homeopathy is an art but it is for the patient to see that his homeopath does'nt become too artistic !!
1. Those who think that Homoeopathic Remedies cannot be combined with other systems of medicines including allopathic medicines
reason
change in symptoms picture due to taking allopathic remedies hinders selection of indicated homeopathic remedy.
2. Those who think that allopathic medicines and homeopathic medicine can be combined.
reason
Some allopathic medicines like that for diabetes and heart can cause death of patient if dis-continued, so there are some homeopaths who advise tapering off the allopathic medicines instead of their sudden withdrawal.
3. Those who think that herbal medicines and homeopathic medicine can be combined.
reason
Herbal medicines are emerging as a substitute for allopathic medicines for heart, diabetes etc. Now when allopathic medication is justified simultaeously why not herbal medication. Morevoer herbal medicines are nothing but food supplements.
4. Those who think that Homeopathic Remedies and Tissue Salts can be combined.
reason
Tissue salts act at the level of nutritional support to body and they do not hinder the action of homepathic remedies.
5. Those who think that multiple homeopathic remedies in high potency can be given simultaneously and very frequently.
reason
There is no bar in any statute atleast passed by the Government of India to this effect. Generally people go to homeopaths in India for chronic health questions. Therefore there is not even a single case against any homeopath for indulging in gross negligence of his duties by not following the principles of homeopathy.
See you have taken Nux Vom as you did'nt have urge to pass stool. Now the MM clearly states that absence of desire to pass stool contra-indicates Nux Vom. It is indicated when there is ineffectual desire to pass stool.
So homeopathy is an art but it is for the patient to see that his homeopath does'nt become too artistic !!
♡ kadwa last decade
Thank you Dr. Kadwa for your detailed explanation.
I am still contineuing with Ant Crud and Chelidonium 200C, it has been little over 2 months and I have not noticed a significant relief. So I am consulting other homeopaths so a relief come to my life and I can live it. He suggested me Abies Nigra 30C and Nat Phos6X together. I am not sure I should switch to these medicines or not?
Please help?
Thanks
I am still contineuing with Ant Crud and Chelidonium 200C, it has been little over 2 months and I have not noticed a significant relief. So I am consulting other homeopaths so a relief come to my life and I can live it. He suggested me Abies Nigra 30C and Nat Phos6X together. I am not sure I should switch to these medicines or not?
Please help?
Thanks
ritukishan last decade
i would go for the following treatment plan even with the remedies that you are taking currently
day 1
three doses of antimonium crud 200c at a gap of 4 hours.
day 2 to day 15
three doses of chelidonium 6x at a gap of 4 hours.
For abies nigra and tissue salts i would recommend the following plan.
day 1
three doses of abies nigra 30c at a gap of four hours.
day 2 to day 10
3 tablets each of the following tissue salts four times a day at a gap of 4 hours each
natrum sulph 6x
kali mur 6x
day 1
three doses of antimonium crud 200c at a gap of 4 hours.
day 2 to day 15
three doses of chelidonium 6x at a gap of 4 hours.
For abies nigra and tissue salts i would recommend the following plan.
day 1
three doses of abies nigra 30c at a gap of four hours.
day 2 to day 10
3 tablets each of the following tissue salts four times a day at a gap of 4 hours each
natrum sulph 6x
kali mur 6x
♡ kadwa last decade
Dear Dr. Kadwa,
I have got these medicines, How should I take nat sulph and Kali mur, I meant before right meal after meal etc.? Should I keep time gap betweek these to medicies?
Thanks!
I have got these medicines, How should I take nat sulph and Kali mur, I meant before right meal after meal etc.? Should I keep time gap betweek these to medicies?
Thanks!
ritukishan last decade
You should take one dose preferably before morning meals and the remaining doses at a gap of 4 hours after that. No gap between two medicines(kali mur and natrum sulph).
Similarly one dose of abies nigra 30c before morning meals and the remaining doses at a gap of 4 hours after that.
Please follow homeo restrictions like no coffee, no raw onion/garlic, no strong perfumes, don't eat or drink anything within 30 minutes before or after taking medicine.
Similarly one dose of abies nigra 30c before morning meals and the remaining doses at a gap of 4 hours after that.
Please follow homeo restrictions like no coffee, no raw onion/garlic, no strong perfumes, don't eat or drink anything within 30 minutes before or after taking medicine.
♡ kadwa last decade
Dear Dr. Kadwa,
I have taken Abies Nigra 30C and Kali Mur and Nat Sulph 6X as perscribed by you.
My symptoms are so acute and terrible that it is hard to make out difference in such a short time (10 days) But I still feel that it has made a slightest difference in the intensity of pain that used to originate from the very center of pitch of stomach. But I am not vouching for any significant relief. I am not taking any other medicine with this.
Absolutely no apetite but still eating food on time.
Please let me know if I can continue with this medicines for some more time and observe the difference.
Please suggest if there is any modification in dosage?
Thank you!
I have taken Abies Nigra 30C and Kali Mur and Nat Sulph 6X as perscribed by you.
My symptoms are so acute and terrible that it is hard to make out difference in such a short time (10 days) But I still feel that it has made a slightest difference in the intensity of pain that used to originate from the very center of pitch of stomach. But I am not vouching for any significant relief. I am not taking any other medicine with this.
Absolutely no apetite but still eating food on time.
Please let me know if I can continue with this medicines for some more time and observe the difference.
Please suggest if there is any modification in dosage?
Thank you!
ritukishan last decade
Please continue taking tissue salts. Please answer the following questions
1. When does your abdominal pain start. ie in the morning after getting up or after meals.
2. In which direction does it radiate.
3. In which sitting position it aggravates.
4. In which sitting position it ameliorates.
5. What is the effect of applying pressure on abdomen.
6. When is it worse before meals or after meals.
7. What is the effect of cold or warm applications on the abdominal pain.
8. When the abdominal pain is better during the daytime or at night.
9. Can you identify the causative factor that was instrumental in bringing it on for the first time.
1. When does your abdominal pain start. ie in the morning after getting up or after meals.
2. In which direction does it radiate.
3. In which sitting position it aggravates.
4. In which sitting position it ameliorates.
5. What is the effect of applying pressure on abdomen.
6. When is it worse before meals or after meals.
7. What is the effect of cold or warm applications on the abdominal pain.
8. When the abdominal pain is better during the daytime or at night.
9. Can you identify the causative factor that was instrumental in bringing it on for the first time.
♡ kadwa last decade
1. When does your abdominal pain start. ie in the morning after getting up or after meals.
Pain is periodical and it happnes atleast once in a week, starts 80% of the time in the evening.
2. In which direction does it radiate.
It starts from Pitch of stomach from the center of lower rib where it starts expanding to right and left side and radiates to downward but it remains only in upper stomach i.e above naval portion of body.
3. In which sitting position it aggravates.
When I stand up and walk I can feel it slightly aggravating.
4. In which sitting position it ameliorates.
If I sit down it relieves a lot.
5. What is the effect of applying pressure on abdomen.
It's lot of relief when I put my hand or arm on stomach infact I usually keep my hands on my stomach both folded just becuase it gives me relief.
6. When is it worse before meals or after meals.
Doesn't matter.
7. What is the effect of cold or warm applications on the abdominal pain.
Doesn't matter.
8. When the abdominal pain is better during the daytime or at night.
As I said above it's periodical and comes once in a week and usually stays for an hour or so.
It usually comes for an hour or less but leave its havoc impression on stomach wall so terribly that I feel like the stomach is not stomach but a hard wall inside. I always have that feeling of contineual distression.
9. Can you identify the causative factor that was instrumental in bringing it on for the first time.
I was suffering from stomach ailments of bloating, acidity, buring in chest etc in stomach but no pain at all and visited lots of GI doctors here in US. They did all the tests barium, CT, upper endoscopy, colono scope etc but disgnosed nothing and put me on PPI which did not help, then I consulted indian doctors, they put me on IBS and dyspepsia medicines together.
Last year in January I visited india and was in Ganga Ram hospital for further diagnosis, the GI found me hypothyroid with reading 7.0 and put me in throxin 0.5 which aleviated all my problems related to stomach but I still had acidity, I was so happy. But I did not realize that my stomach was too week to handle 0.5 mg thyroxin. which balanced by TSH level but eroded my stomach, after 15 days of starting thyroxine, I started to feel a horrible feeling in my stomach as if it is not stomach, I did not realize it is because of thyroxine and continued on it for total 2 1/2 months until I visited a GI here in US, he recoginzed it and asked me to stop thyroxine and also mention it was too high for my level of TSH reading. But by then thyroxine had done its work for eroding stomach. Horrible Horrible Horrible.
I can't explain why I am alive today I felt like I am in my final days. this is when I started to feel pain in stomach on periodical basis. It starts with a very tight feeling on pitch of stomach (where esophagus and stomach connects) and turns into pain very soon.
Just one more thing to add. When I feel absolutely fine which happen only for a 1 day or 2, I have noticed after meals stomach try to throw up food upward, but when stomach is empty the freequent burps very common.
Doctor all my stomach problems are felt around pitch of stomach, a buring/heating sensation in that area (NOT IN CHEST) pain comes in that area, a contineual feeling of very discomfortness in that area, all the problem is in that area only. If some how this gets corrected I think I can lead a normal life.
I shall be glad to answer any further detail you may need.
Pain is periodical and it happnes atleast once in a week, starts 80% of the time in the evening.
2. In which direction does it radiate.
It starts from Pitch of stomach from the center of lower rib where it starts expanding to right and left side and radiates to downward but it remains only in upper stomach i.e above naval portion of body.
3. In which sitting position it aggravates.
When I stand up and walk I can feel it slightly aggravating.
4. In which sitting position it ameliorates.
If I sit down it relieves a lot.
5. What is the effect of applying pressure on abdomen.
It's lot of relief when I put my hand or arm on stomach infact I usually keep my hands on my stomach both folded just becuase it gives me relief.
6. When is it worse before meals or after meals.
Doesn't matter.
7. What is the effect of cold or warm applications on the abdominal pain.
Doesn't matter.
8. When the abdominal pain is better during the daytime or at night.
As I said above it's periodical and comes once in a week and usually stays for an hour or so.
It usually comes for an hour or less but leave its havoc impression on stomach wall so terribly that I feel like the stomach is not stomach but a hard wall inside. I always have that feeling of contineual distression.
9. Can you identify the causative factor that was instrumental in bringing it on for the first time.
I was suffering from stomach ailments of bloating, acidity, buring in chest etc in stomach but no pain at all and visited lots of GI doctors here in US. They did all the tests barium, CT, upper endoscopy, colono scope etc but disgnosed nothing and put me on PPI which did not help, then I consulted indian doctors, they put me on IBS and dyspepsia medicines together.
Last year in January I visited india and was in Ganga Ram hospital for further diagnosis, the GI found me hypothyroid with reading 7.0 and put me in throxin 0.5 which aleviated all my problems related to stomach but I still had acidity, I was so happy. But I did not realize that my stomach was too week to handle 0.5 mg thyroxin. which balanced by TSH level but eroded my stomach, after 15 days of starting thyroxine, I started to feel a horrible feeling in my stomach as if it is not stomach, I did not realize it is because of thyroxine and continued on it for total 2 1/2 months until I visited a GI here in US, he recoginzed it and asked me to stop thyroxine and also mention it was too high for my level of TSH reading. But by then thyroxine had done its work for eroding stomach. Horrible Horrible Horrible.
I can't explain why I am alive today I felt like I am in my final days. this is when I started to feel pain in stomach on periodical basis. It starts with a very tight feeling on pitch of stomach (where esophagus and stomach connects) and turns into pain very soon.
Just one more thing to add. When I feel absolutely fine which happen only for a 1 day or 2, I have noticed after meals stomach try to throw up food upward, but when stomach is empty the freequent burps very common.
Doctor all my stomach problems are felt around pitch of stomach, a buring/heating sensation in that area (NOT IN CHEST) pain comes in that area, a contineual feeling of very discomfortness in that area, all the problem is in that area only. If some how this gets corrected I think I can lead a normal life.
I shall be glad to answer any further detail you may need.
ritukishan last decade
Just one more note - My thyroid have normal readings and I am not on any medication for thyroids.
Thank you!
Thank you!
ritukishan last decade
Please take Bryonia 200c thrice a day at a gap of 4 hours for one day. Please don't take any tissue salts on that day. Please start taking tissue salts from the next day onward. If it will take time to get Bryonia 200c, please continue with the tissue salts till then.
Please follow homeo restrictions like no coffee, no raw onion/garlic, no strong perfumes, don't eat or drink anything within 30 minutes before or after taking medicine.
Please report after 10 days from taking Bryonia.
Please follow homeo restrictions like no coffee, no raw onion/garlic, no strong perfumes, don't eat or drink anything within 30 minutes before or after taking medicine.
Please report after 10 days from taking Bryonia.
♡ kadwa last decade
Hi Dr. Kadwa,
I had ordered Bryonia 200C and should get it in a day or two. Meanwhile I have noticed I am getting relief in my dyspepsia symptoms using Abies Nigra, but Pain in Liver region is still on. Should I stop taking Abies Nigra with Bryonia or there is any way I can take them together?
Please suggest.
Thanks
-Kishan
I had ordered Bryonia 200C and should get it in a day or two. Meanwhile I have noticed I am getting relief in my dyspepsia symptoms using Abies Nigra, but Pain in Liver region is still on. Should I stop taking Abies Nigra with Bryonia or there is any way I can take them together?
Please suggest.
Thanks
-Kishan
ritukishan last decade
Please don't take Abies Nigra for now.
day 1
Please take Bryonia 200c thrice a day at a gap of 4 hours.
day 2 to day 15
2 tablets each of the following tissue salts four times a day at a gap of 4 hours each
natrum sulph 6x
kali mur 6x
Please report after 15 days.
day 1
Please take Bryonia 200c thrice a day at a gap of 4 hours.
day 2 to day 15
2 tablets each of the following tissue salts four times a day at a gap of 4 hours each
natrum sulph 6x
kali mur 6x
Please report after 15 days.
♡ kadwa last decade
Thanks for your quick response.
Sure... I will take medicines as you suggesed and report back to you in 15 days.
Regards
-Kishan
Sure... I will take medicines as you suggesed and report back to you in 15 days.
Regards
-Kishan
ritukishan last decade
Dear Dr. Kadwa,
I took the mediciations as prescribed by you -
day 1
Took Bryonia 200c thrice a day at a gap of 4 hours.
day 2 to day 15
2 tablets each of the following tissue salts four times a day at a gap of 4 hours each
natrum sulph 6x
kali mur 6x
I am also taking 2 nat phos 6x after meals and breakfast.
It has been exactly 15 days now.
Since my condition was deteriorating with pain and tightness in liver or upper stomach region, I visited my GI doc and he prescribed me Drotaverine HCL 80 mg twice daily, which is given for GI colick, biliary colick and renal colik. In addition to your medicines, I have been taking this english medicine. He also gave me seven days course of antibiotic (Ofloxacin twice daily).
I am feeling bit of relieved and pain is gradually coming down, I can make out the difference. Also I have noticed my tongue have also started to clean from front and I only see that creamy layer in the back side of tongue which is also getting thinner with time.
Please suggest what should I stick to?
Thank you so much for your help.
-Kishan
I took the mediciations as prescribed by you -
day 1
Took Bryonia 200c thrice a day at a gap of 4 hours.
day 2 to day 15
2 tablets each of the following tissue salts four times a day at a gap of 4 hours each
natrum sulph 6x
kali mur 6x
I am also taking 2 nat phos 6x after meals and breakfast.
It has been exactly 15 days now.
Since my condition was deteriorating with pain and tightness in liver or upper stomach region, I visited my GI doc and he prescribed me Drotaverine HCL 80 mg twice daily, which is given for GI colick, biliary colick and renal colik. In addition to your medicines, I have been taking this english medicine. He also gave me seven days course of antibiotic (Ofloxacin twice daily).
I am feeling bit of relieved and pain is gradually coming down, I can make out the difference. Also I have noticed my tongue have also started to clean from front and I only see that creamy layer in the back side of tongue which is also getting thinner with time.
Please suggest what should I stick to?
Thank you so much for your help.
-Kishan
ritukishan last decade
Please procure arsenic alb 30c, arsenic alb 200c and magnesia phos 6x. please call back when you have these medicines. In the meanwhile please continue with the tissue salts.
♡ kadwa last decade
Please procure Chelidonium 6x also.
♡ kadwa last decade
I am travelling to India on 7th of october, and have already asked someone to buy these medicines but unfortunately will not be able to access internet that freequently from there. Can you please post the procedure to take these medicines so that I can start the course as soon as I get there.
Thanks!
Thanks!
ritukishan last decade
Please give me your symptoms on 5th Oct. You said that your tongue appears to be cleaner. This you feel is attributable to antibiotic treatment, bryonia or tissue salts. Let me know.
♡ kadwa last decade
Dear Dr. Kadwa,
Alopathy medicine - As discussed in previous details, I have been taking 'Drotaverine HCL 80mg' twice daily.
Homeopathy medicine - I have been taking tissue salts as you suggested 'Nat sulph 6x, 4 times daily', 'Kali Mur 6x, 4 times daily' and 'Nat Phos 6x, three times daily'.
During these 25 days I have taken Bryonia 200C 3 times per day just for two days at an interval of 2 weeks.
Improvements - Pain in upper stomach or liver region have reduced significantly.
Tightness in upper stomach or liver region have also reduced.
Creamy or yellowish layer on tongue have been cleared from front part of tongue but the back part still have remains of this layer. It used to be so think on the back portion of tongue that one could have peel it from tongue.
I know I did not communicate this symptom earlier but red spots in eyes which used to come with tightness or pain in stomach have also subsided.
Overall I am feeling much confident now.
I can tell for sure the Kali Mur and Nat Suplh have not been helpful in cleaning tongue as I am taking them for past 2 months and did not noticed any change in symptoms after taking them for one month. And tongue cleaning only started only after I started Bryonia, and alopathy medicine.
25 days back we started Bryonia 200C, Nat Phos 6x and Alopathy medicines, Now at this point I am not sure what has attributed to this relief and tongue cleaning.
Alopathy or Homeopathy?
Please suggest the next step forward?
Thanks
-Kishan
Thanks
-Kishan
Alopathy medicine - As discussed in previous details, I have been taking 'Drotaverine HCL 80mg' twice daily.
Homeopathy medicine - I have been taking tissue salts as you suggested 'Nat sulph 6x, 4 times daily', 'Kali Mur 6x, 4 times daily' and 'Nat Phos 6x, three times daily'.
During these 25 days I have taken Bryonia 200C 3 times per day just for two days at an interval of 2 weeks.
Improvements - Pain in upper stomach or liver region have reduced significantly.
Tightness in upper stomach or liver region have also reduced.
Creamy or yellowish layer on tongue have been cleared from front part of tongue but the back part still have remains of this layer. It used to be so think on the back portion of tongue that one could have peel it from tongue.
I know I did not communicate this symptom earlier but red spots in eyes which used to come with tightness or pain in stomach have also subsided.
Overall I am feeling much confident now.
I can tell for sure the Kali Mur and Nat Suplh have not been helpful in cleaning tongue as I am taking them for past 2 months and did not noticed any change in symptoms after taking them for one month. And tongue cleaning only started only after I started Bryonia, and alopathy medicine.
25 days back we started Bryonia 200C, Nat Phos 6x and Alopathy medicines, Now at this point I am not sure what has attributed to this relief and tongue cleaning.
Alopathy or Homeopathy?
Please suggest the next step forward?
Thanks
-Kishan
Thanks
-Kishan
ritukishan last decade
Please continue with the tissue salts. When you have Chelidonium 6x, please take 2-3 tablets (at each time) of chel. 6x thrice a day at a gap of 4 hours and don't take tissue salts (on days you take chelidonium). Chelidonium is to be taken daily. If abdominal pain increases you should take three doses of Bryonia 200c at a gap of 4 hours and follow it up with tissue salts or chelidonium 6x.
♡ kadwa last decade
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