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Sameer please help-chest pain with no clinical etiology
Dear Sameer,I would really appreciate your insights in regard something that has suddenly overtaken me in the last seven weeks. My doctors have analyzed my symptoms and have decided that I'm undergoing stress even though I have not had typical signs of stress that I've had in the past such as: kidney and urinary tract infections, yeast infections. They have recommended counseling. I have come to the conclusion that this is a combination of dormant chronic stress combined with unresolved grief over the loss of 20 significant people in my life that has finally caught up with me at the age of 53.
I'm not opposed to grief counseling, but I'm trying to look at all my options.
In the last seven weeks my life has come to a halt. I'm tired. I cry and I'm unable to function. I recently lost two friends and was able to say goodbye to them both and realized that I've never been able to say goodbye to the other wonderful people in my life that I've lost.
Here is a little more about myself:
Physical:
-53 years and post menopausal
-brown hair, blue eyes, Caucasian, 157 lbs fair complexion
-chest pain on left side at the start, but now in the middle occurring most strongly at 1:30 every morning and feels just like a charlie horse and wakes me from sleep. Greatly improved with valium prescription
-During the last few weeks I've had episodes while trying to go to sleep and during sleep where I have stopped breathing and wake up gasping. Which has improved with valium.
-low appetite
-extreme fatigue
Emotional/Mental:
-unable to think clearly
-poor memory
-lost interest in just about everything, no drive or ambition. Exhaustion just upon leaving the house
-fear of being alone to the point of panic
-fear of dying alone
-any stimulation causes physical pain feeling like my heart is being strangled.
-feel like crying most of the time
-don't feel like I can take care of the responsibilities of living, but don't feel like dying either
-very low self esteem
-feel like a defeatist most of the time
-I feel like there is no sense trying, but my analytical mind tells me that's not correct thinking
Thank you very much for your consideration. I will await your reply.
Shiela on 2009-11-30
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sameervermani last decade
Do not like tight clothing. Don't wear tight clothing to bed.
Feel worst between 1:30 - 3:30 a.m. Pain was so bad I called relatives to let them know I didn't think I would like through the last night of pain, then doc gave me valium which helped. Have had heart 'flip-flops' since I was a teenager so I know what that feels like. It was nothing like that. More like a heart attack every night. Like it was being strangled Sometimes nausias. It was getting worse every night for about two weeks until the valium. Now I still wake up feel bad all over around 3:30 but not the same discomfort under my sternum. I really feel that stress cardiomyopathy started this whole thing. It started 3 days after the death of a friend and I didn't get to the doctor until the 3rd day after that so tests showed nothing. I'm still afraid of a resting arythmia that can be a complication of stress cardiomyopathy because this extremem discomfort only comes when I'm resting and is made worse by stress.
Feel worst between 1:30 - 3:30 a.m. Pain was so bad I called relatives to let them know I didn't think I would like through the last night of pain, then doc gave me valium which helped. Have had heart 'flip-flops' since I was a teenager so I know what that feels like. It was nothing like that. More like a heart attack every night. Like it was being strangled Sometimes nausias. It was getting worse every night for about two weeks until the valium. Now I still wake up feel bad all over around 3:30 but not the same discomfort under my sternum. I really feel that stress cardiomyopathy started this whole thing. It started 3 days after the death of a friend and I didn't get to the doctor until the 3rd day after that so tests showed nothing. I'm still afraid of a resting arythmia that can be a complication of stress cardiomyopathy because this extremem discomfort only comes when I'm resting and is made worse by stress.
Shiela last decade
Please talk about your mental state a bit more.
Things you might want to talk about are :
Personality/fears/anxieties/anger/temperament/negative feelings/worries/resentments
Things you might want to talk about are :
Personality/fears/anxieties/anger/temperament/negative feelings/worries/resentments
sameervermani last decade
I normally like to make and am comfortable making decisions. I am a list-maker and like to see accomplishment. I am a lifetime emotional caregiver (not enabler-hate and reject that). I've opened my home to many people who needed financial, emotional, mental help. I have had financial anxieties. I have not been able to find a reciprocal friendship (platonic) in 43 years-until this started happening. My friendships in the past have seemed to be based on other's needs. Have at times felt anger at being overwhelmed with too much responsibility, but I have dropped a lot of that responsibilty over the years (home-schooling, owning my own business, working out, and no more people living with us). Have lost 20 significant people in my life to death. Moved away from and lost touch with my best friend at age 10. At age 8 I lost one of best friends to spinal-menengitis within 2 days. Was able to fill the voids of deaths with other degrees of friendships except for two people..My grandmother (died of old age) and mother in law (died of cancer at 52) both of whom I loved dearly. They died within 2 years of each other. I still cry profusely after 26 years over them-at least once a month and have never been able to fill the void. I was the oldest and longest married woman in the family when my mother in law died. I am now 53. I think I tried unconciously to fill the void myself that I couldn't find anyone else to fill. I don't feel any guilt over the deaths over either one of them. There was nothing in my power I could have done. I did figure out recently that I felt a responsibility to fill my mother-in-laws shoes (even though I was in my 20s) as the family glue. I also realized recently that I was never able to say good-bye to any of the people I lost except the last two, who died in September 2009. The last one died 3 days before the onset of chest pain (Pain on a scale of 6 out of 10 for one day. The next day to 5 and the next to 3 and thereafter until it started getting worse. (This was after I was put on Buspirone and Coreg) After the last 10 days I began to feel I would die if I couldn't find a doctor to take me seriously. The pain was originally in the vicinity of the my left ventricle and ascending aorta and then moved to below the sternum. I called my family and said good-bye. Fianlly I was given Vallium and able to sleep until 3:30 a.m. now. and the pain in gone. Remaining in a feeling of malaise at 3:00-3:30 in the a.m. every morning.
I Love my volunteer work of helping people in all sorts of situations. I am an architect of solutions that seem to help people. I enjoy my success. I worry about bills and not being loved, even though it appears I have no reason to feel unloved. I have a wonderful husband and two grown children. One who calls regularly. Can't think of anything I resent except maybe that there arn';t 48 hours in a day instead of 24.
Since this started, my life and feelings have turned upside down and I don't even know who I am anymore. I am not peri-menopausal. I stopped a few years ago so I don't think it's that. I feel like I've lost my life and am unable to function anymore. Feelings and abilities have changed. I don't know how to fix this. Am confused and frustrated and a person that needs resolution and movement. I am used to doing things fast and happy and require what I feel is a reasonable expectation of perfection of myself. Lately, I am only motivated to sit and look at the walls. Don't want company, to read, listen to music or watch T.V. Any kind of stimulation at all is almost intolerable. Without the Valium, even when the phone rings it feels like a knife in my heart.
I Love my volunteer work of helping people in all sorts of situations. I am an architect of solutions that seem to help people. I enjoy my success. I worry about bills and not being loved, even though it appears I have no reason to feel unloved. I have a wonderful husband and two grown children. One who calls regularly. Can't think of anything I resent except maybe that there arn';t 48 hours in a day instead of 24.
Since this started, my life and feelings have turned upside down and I don't even know who I am anymore. I am not peri-menopausal. I stopped a few years ago so I don't think it's that. I feel like I've lost my life and am unable to function anymore. Feelings and abilities have changed. I don't know how to fix this. Am confused and frustrated and a person that needs resolution and movement. I am used to doing things fast and happy and require what I feel is a reasonable expectation of perfection of myself. Lately, I am only motivated to sit and look at the walls. Don't want company, to read, listen to music or watch T.V. Any kind of stimulation at all is almost intolerable. Without the Valium, even when the phone rings it feels like a knife in my heart.
Shiela last decade
How about your food cravings and aversions if any ?
What kind of weather/temperatures do you prefer ?
What kind of weather/temperatures do you prefer ?
sameervermani last decade
Hi Sameer, i have posted this for your please bear with me it's very long but please, all i ask is that you read all of it. I have had the same thing and I'm only 24years of age. You have anxiety. I have always been a determined self motivated person, who can do anything i set my mind to, however, after my second child i went back to work, and because i had breastfed him i had to go on medication to dry up the milk, and for six months i didn't get my period. My brother inlaw and his wife and daughter came to live with us for a while, everything was going great. But then they had to leave and get a place of their own, i was still working and things were still great. However work ceased and then i was back at home with my two children, that's when it happened. I felt scared to be alone, my heart raced a million miles an hour and my sternum was so sore i'd throw up, my hands yould shake i'd go white from head to toe, my feet would sweat, i couldn't eat i couldn't sleep i'd lie awake for hours, it got so bad i couldn't breath, and when my partner left to go to work my whole world fell apart. I would get up to hang the washing out and burst into tears (and i'm not a cryer) all because i missed my partner? i knew he was only five mins down the road and at the end of the day he'd be back, but it felt like a lifetime and like he was a million miles away. DON'T WORRY IT WILL PASS!!! See the meds the docs gave me they were called KRIPTON. and they change the hormonal balance in your body to dry up your milk but it was because of the hormones i had everything. See your going through a major hormone change with menopause, and you say you dried up years ago but it doesnt matter they say this can go on for years, and this is why you feel the way you do. It is such a bumpy ride and i know how it feels when people say oh your fine get over it, you feel like SCREAMING at them because your NOT!!! But listen to me now you have to do this. Get off the valium, they will not help you mentally sure they take the anxiety away, for a little while but they are putting the chemical balances in your brain out of wack, and will only make it worse in the long run. I combatted this problem and have been good for about a year now, so hears what you need to do. Go to your health nurse and ask for something to help with your menopause like hormone pills you might have to take a few different ones before you find the right one but if you want a natural remedy wich is what i RECOMEND and it's alot better than pills. one you have to start telling yourself your going to be ok because let me tell you this. YOUR NOT GOING TO DIE YOUR GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS I DID AND SO CAN YOU!!! everytime you think your having this i'm going to die thought come into your head i want you to go and do something go for a drive or plant a flower or if it's at 3.30am go and get a puzzle book like crosswords or something on your computer solitair anything to take your mind off it and then if you think of it again you say out loud i'm living breathing and i'm fine if you have to say it a million times before you feel better than do it. I know this sounds stupid but it does help, see your mind doesn't think your ok that's why you get these pains and panic attacks because it thinks your sick your not but you are mentally, like i was no your not crazy just treat it like you've got the flu, and think with time it will pass. See i had people around me 24/7 but when they all left and it was just me at home even though i had the kids i felt so alone i lost my job and you can't talk to a 2year old about how you feel and no-one else family ect want to hear it or they don't have time or they're sicker then you (oh i love that line they give you) But i know that even my partner didn't understand nor did he want to listen after a 12hour day at work i was completely alone, or so it felt. but i know and understand what your going through and people who read this are going to think i dont know what i'm talking about but i do. my sternum felt like it was crushing me, it was sore hard to breath ect. when i had it happen to me i'd get in the shower a hot shower to relax me don't have a bath because your not doing anyhitng and so you dwell have a shower brush your teeth in there shave your legs anything to take your mind off it. I don't know if your religeous but i am i wasn't but i am now see when i went through all this i was in the shower balling my eyes out praying to god and i said god i know i haven't been the best i can be but i need you. i have been praying to you and yet no prayers have been answered are you listening to me, because if you are it doesn't feel like it i know you've shown yourself to people before but i'm not asking you to do that i just want you to give me a sign so i know your listening, that same day a stranger came up to me i'd never met and said the holly spirit will save you and he never said anthing else that was it and since then i know he exists. but i don't try pushing god onto anyone if you don't believe in him that's your choice, but i thought i'd just share that with you. but if you do believe then when you get bad say out loud and you mean it will all your strength in the name of Jesus Christ i curse this sickness and pain out of my life and body get out you have not place here in Jesus name AMEN. it does help, also here in australia we have a free 1800pray4me number we can ring 24/7 and i find that talking to them helped me and they pray for you and that helped to. but like i said if you dont believe in god then why not try a chinese herbalist. They have tea yes Tea. they have teas to help with everything and later i'm posting a write up about it for people with trigaminal neuralgia wich i have (yay i get all the good things) and how it cured a lady completely wich most people need surgery. SO i'd try the tea go into a chinese herbalist store the will look at your tounge take your pulse talk with you about how you feel all this and then they will mix your tea with the correct herbs that your bodies lacking to restore it back to the way you were with healthy mind and body, you'll think straight sleep at night ect. sometimes the tea can be pricey about $100 bucks, but what's more important money or your health??? and the good thing is it's all natural no pills, and depending on what your herbalist recomends you'll only be on it for two weeks maybe longer but i doubt it. sometimes they might recomend accupuncture but in your case i'd say probably not. And no i'm not a herbalist freek who wants to get you sucked into herbal stuff i'm just someone who went through a rough time and god helped me through mine and got me back on track and i'm just trying to help you and i have faith in you and know you will get through this and i will help you because i know no one else understand it until you go thorugh it you don't but i can honnestly say i'm cured:) i can smile again i don't get pain anymore and my life in NORMAL!! Also go to ebay because they sell oils and stuff to help with menopause just type in healing in the search bar in ebay and then click search they aren't dear some things you can get for around 5-10 bucks i'm not sure if they work but it's worth a try. i hope this helps you i'm a stay at home mum so i'm hear 24/7 so you can email me anytime you need someone to talk to even if you think it's embarassing or feel stupid sad or just had enough i'm here to listen and help you because i know how you feel, and sometimes it's better to share it than bottle it up and talking does help it feel like a weight has been lifted off your shoulders. Well i better post this now God Bless and i'll pray for you:) Chantel:)
bornagainchristian last decade
Sameer,
I have always craved chocolate and candy but have curbed that in my later, sensible years. For many years now I have tried to eat a balanced and sensible diet.I love greens and soup. I don't like eggs to much but make myself eat them for the protein most mornings. Lunch is leftovers and dinner is normally meat, starch and veg.
Still crave chocolate. Drink water with food. 2 decaf in the a.m. Drink wine and beer about once a month but in moderation. Can't think of any aversions to food--except brewer's yeast which my mother used to feed me.
Climate: Very sensitive!!! to hot and cold changes. My kids used to to call me the human thermometer. I could tell within a degree their temperature with my hand. Have a difficult time handling cold and I live in Maine. It 'shuts me down' easily so we try to stay warm.
I have always craved chocolate and candy but have curbed that in my later, sensible years. For many years now I have tried to eat a balanced and sensible diet.I love greens and soup. I don't like eggs to much but make myself eat them for the protein most mornings. Lunch is leftovers and dinner is normally meat, starch and veg.
Still crave chocolate. Drink water with food. 2 decaf in the a.m. Drink wine and beer about once a month but in moderation. Can't think of any aversions to food--except brewer's yeast which my mother used to feed me.
Climate: Very sensitive!!! to hot and cold changes. My kids used to to call me the human thermometer. I could tell within a degree their temperature with my hand. Have a difficult time handling cold and I live in Maine. It 'shuts me down' easily so we try to stay warm.
Shiela last decade
Bornagainchristian,
Thank you for your comments. I am avidly religious and have solid hope of future better life. I do pray many times every day and have confidence in the power of prayer and faith and that God hears those who approach him the way that he tells us to and find comfort in that. I do not feel desperate or internally 'jelly' or panic or like I'm so anxious that I'm going to die. I don't feel 'clammy'. I do feel physically ill and that, that is affecting my outlook on everything and that if death arrives it will be because of a physical nature (possibly exacerbated by stress due to complications of stress cardiomyopathy-such as arrhythmia) if it's not addressed and of course would be comforted if the physical nature of the the problem was addressed. My emotions have been pretty stable and 'flat' for a few years until the death of this last friend - whom I feel absolutely assured is in God's hands. But I appreciate your interest and caring.
Thank you for your comments. I am avidly religious and have solid hope of future better life. I do pray many times every day and have confidence in the power of prayer and faith and that God hears those who approach him the way that he tells us to and find comfort in that. I do not feel desperate or internally 'jelly' or panic or like I'm so anxious that I'm going to die. I don't feel 'clammy'. I do feel physically ill and that, that is affecting my outlook on everything and that if death arrives it will be because of a physical nature (possibly exacerbated by stress due to complications of stress cardiomyopathy-such as arrhythmia) if it's not addressed and of course would be comforted if the physical nature of the the problem was addressed. My emotions have been pretty stable and 'flat' for a few years until the death of this last friend - whom I feel absolutely assured is in God's hands. But I appreciate your interest and caring.
Shiela last decade
Dear Shiela,
Please follow this prescription exactly. You can buy this remedy at Whole Foods.
Three doses of NATRUM MURIATICUM 30c to be given for ONE single day ONLY as described below.
Dissolve 2 pellets of Nat-m 30c in a 250 ml spring water bottle. If you leave the pellets in water for 20 mins, they will melt. You can shake it gently after they have dissolved.
Take a teaspoon from this bottle using a disposable spoon 3 times, spaced by 2 hours. This is to be done for one day ONLY. From next day, no more doses.
Let me know in 7 days after these 3 doses. I look forward to your response. If the remedy brings any form of discharge (diarrhea, skin rash or vomiting), do not interfere , it will be a curative sign.
Restrictions:
1/. Nothing should enter the mouth for 40 minutes prior to, or after taking the remedy.
2/. Do not touch the tablets with your hands, tip them into the cap of the container they came in and then into the water .
3/. Avoid coffee, tea (including green), and other sources of caffeine such as some fizzy drinks and large amounts of chocolate, except where this would cause a drastic change in consumption
4/. Avoid wearing perfume/aftershave, or exposure to anything with a strong smell on the day and 5 days following the remedy administration. This includes any and all essential oils, and incense.
5/. Avoid the consumption of excessively spicey foods
6/. The use of medicinal herbs, either as 'teas' or supplements should be avoided during Homoeopathic treatment, as should the use of over the counter medication, unless this has been recommended by an MD.
7/. Nothing of a medicinal nature should be applied to the skin
--
Good luck,
Sameer
Please follow this prescription exactly. You can buy this remedy at Whole Foods.
Three doses of NATRUM MURIATICUM 30c to be given for ONE single day ONLY as described below.
Dissolve 2 pellets of Nat-m 30c in a 250 ml spring water bottle. If you leave the pellets in water for 20 mins, they will melt. You can shake it gently after they have dissolved.
Take a teaspoon from this bottle using a disposable spoon 3 times, spaced by 2 hours. This is to be done for one day ONLY. From next day, no more doses.
Let me know in 7 days after these 3 doses. I look forward to your response. If the remedy brings any form of discharge (diarrhea, skin rash or vomiting), do not interfere , it will be a curative sign.
Restrictions:
1/. Nothing should enter the mouth for 40 minutes prior to, or after taking the remedy.
2/. Do not touch the tablets with your hands, tip them into the cap of the container they came in and then into the water .
3/. Avoid coffee, tea (including green), and other sources of caffeine such as some fizzy drinks and large amounts of chocolate, except where this would cause a drastic change in consumption
4/. Avoid wearing perfume/aftershave, or exposure to anything with a strong smell on the day and 5 days following the remedy administration. This includes any and all essential oils, and incense.
5/. Avoid the consumption of excessively spicey foods
6/. The use of medicinal herbs, either as 'teas' or supplements should be avoided during Homoeopathic treatment, as should the use of over the counter medication, unless this has been recommended by an MD.
7/. Nothing of a medicinal nature should be applied to the skin
--
Good luck,
Sameer
sameervermani last decade
Sameer,
I say there is no clinical etiology because that is what the ER doctors and my cardiologist say. However...the stress echo (treadmill - not a resting test) that was done does indicate ischemia. As far as stress cardiomyopathy goes, I was not tested in time to detect the problem, as it is completely reversible-that is if you don't die from it when it happens. So they don't seem brave enough to say that might have been the problem...since they don't have a test result in front of them that says that's what happened...except for my family physician who agreed it sounded like it and who said he thought I had an arrhythmia. We are still waiting for the result of the event monitor I wore for a week to see if there might have been complications due to the stress cardiomyopathy, which there sometimes are since it affects the left ventricle.
I say there is no clinical etiology because that is what the ER doctors and my cardiologist say. However...the stress echo (treadmill - not a resting test) that was done does indicate ischemia. As far as stress cardiomyopathy goes, I was not tested in time to detect the problem, as it is completely reversible-that is if you don't die from it when it happens. So they don't seem brave enough to say that might have been the problem...since they don't have a test result in front of them that says that's what happened...except for my family physician who agreed it sounded like it and who said he thought I had an arrhythmia. We are still waiting for the result of the event monitor I wore for a week to see if there might have been complications due to the stress cardiomyopathy, which there sometimes are since it affects the left ventricle.
Shiela last decade
Shiela last decade
Hi i don't think vallium is good for anyone as it's an addictive drug and can cause you to feel like you can't live without it so no i don't recomend you keep taking them.
bornagainchristian last decade
I'm so glad you believe in god and try getting someone to pray for you and ask for gods healing i have for months on end, with my trigiminal nueralgia and it's started to dissapear i only get slight cases of it now he helps heal and it does take time but everything takes time. Good luck:)
bornagainchristian last decade
I was taken off the coreg by the cardiologist and asked the family physician to take me off the Bispirone shortly after so Valium is the only thing I'm on now.
Shiela last decade
Sameer,
After reading your post....yes...I crave salt (sometimes I eat it straight out of my hand) and am always thirsty.
After reading your post....yes...I crave salt (sometimes I eat it straight out of my hand) and am always thirsty.
Shiela last decade
Take the Nat-m doses.
sameervermani last decade
I am getting back to you regarding your previous post. I took the 3 doses as you prescribed. I did not have any form of discharge (diarrhea, skin rash or vomiting). Since Monday though, the pains in my chest (right, left and substernal) have come back during the day.
As directed by my MD, I have started taking the Valium again and took 2 nitro yesterday to relieve the pain.
As directed by my MD, I have started taking the Valium again and took 2 nitro yesterday to relieve the pain.
Shiela last decade
My energy level has come up in the last week an had an established, happy routine going but if fell apart yesterday when I learned that my uncle suffered 3 strokes last week so my anxiety level is quite high right now. When my physical chest pain problems started at the beginning of October, I was sad but not even aware that I was suffering anxiety to the point of physical detriment until it started and was told by doctors that all this is a result of anxiety. Now I DO feel anxiety because of recent events, having been closer to my uncle than the other two friends that died, and additionally have anxiety that my physical condition is going to deteriorate now that I really DO feel anxiety.
Shiela last decade
...basically I am a mess today. I have absolutely no desire to exercise, work or see anyone. I'm tired of not having my life. I'm tired of being in pain. Seeing people causes adrenaline rushes that make my chest hurt, so it's very difficult to go out. I manage it once a week but have been trying to add to that to twice a week and tonight I had plans to go out a third time. But the pain and adrenalin is coming back so I'm in tonight. I'm frustrated. As I try to fight this thing the pain comes back. I'm afraid it will come back full scale again. I've been in the emergency room three times since October. Right now it's there but not full scale...just seems to be threatening.
Shiela last decade
Hi Shiela,
Please take a single dose of Nat-mur 200c as follows:
Dissolve 2 pellets in 120 ml spring water, and take a teaspoon.
Report in 10 days.
Sameer
Please take a single dose of Nat-mur 200c as follows:
Dissolve 2 pellets in 120 ml spring water, and take a teaspoon.
Report in 10 days.
Sameer
sameervermani last decade
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