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To BH
I am simply amazed at your statement:
'I have been looking over the various posts where you are prescribing. You get more failures and side-effects than you like to admit. Because of this, I will continue to offer my advice to minimize the harm that might be done. '
I cannot understand how you can state this obvious untruth which I would classify as a Bare Faced LIE, on a forum such as the ABC which is visited by over 10000 visitors daily. It will take me too long to collate the number of patients whom I have helped with my Joepathy and those patients whom I have treated will testify to how they were cured, some after many months even years, of suffering from the 'tender loving care' of classical homeopaths, the majority of whom are more interested in milking the patient instead of curing them as every patient represents an unending source of revenue and the patient, once netted cannot escape other than by referring his/her case to a forum such as the ABC.
You will discover if you do an unbiased count of the cases that I have CURED with my Joepathy that they outnumber by far, the cases that other classical homeopaths have succeeded in doing individually with their own therapy.
I can see that your main intention in your threats to interfere with my posts is motivated by your desire to show off your academic prowess which I do not pretend to, as I do not possess that piece of paper that qualifies you to be addressed as a 'doctor'. It is not the qualification that matters in curing a patient which as you perhaps are aware I do completely without charge, which in Sri Lanka I also give the remedy without charge. It is more the projection of the love and care from the prescriber to the patient that is paramount in treating a case of a patient who in some cases seeks some solace from his ailment by posting on the ABC as a last resort after having been through the gamut of doctors and specialists and later even classical homeopaths who were not successful in helping and I take the case and the patient is often cured or at least helped as can be proved by reference to the cases that I have treated.
It seems a shame that you have so far refused to put your theoretical knowledge into practice by treating a single patient on this Forum and I remember in one instance you requsted the patient whom I had advised to consult you to do so in your clinic in Brisbane ! I presume that a fat fee will be levied by you in the unlikely event of the patient agreeing to do so.
I do not wish to waste my time on the ABC and other Forums that I visit in bickering with types like you who pretend to know all the answers to a patient's ailment yet refuse to take a single case. I do wonder what your motivation is in inflicting your presence and ideology on the ABC as this is a Forum to which many patients turn to today as Simon Broadley was as far as I am aware, the first person to establish a Homeopathic Forum in 2002 after which many others followed. I joined the ABC in 2003 with other dedicated Homeopaths and we have all tried to help patients with our joint knowledge of this Science which you are only interested in criticizing with a view to showing off your supercilious knowledge in which both I and the patient are not interested. In the case of the patient, s/he is only interested in a CURE and not in the niceties of the methodology used in the process. In my case I am only interested in CURING the patient not in defending my Joepathy. I note that you even take exception to this word Joepathy which you state is Allopathy. This statement seems very strange as it is my understanding that Allopathy abhors the use of Homeopathic Remedies.
I shall now deal with a few of your statements on your 2 posts in brief :-
'So you have answered my question - you do not believe you can cure this man. This was what I was wondering. Arnica is not the miracle drug after all I guess.'
I am again surprised that a professional homeopath can make a foolish statement such as this, as there are many other diseases that cannot ever be cured although they can be controlled. Can Diabetes be cured? Can Hypertention be cured? These are just 2 diseases that come to my mind and there are hundreds of others that can be controlled but never be cured.
In the case of Dhanywad Sachin, this patient was very fortunate that I dared to take the challenge of helping him to overcome his Myoclonic Jerks which he had been diagnosed as Epilepsy, with my Joepathy and I am certain that a classical homeopath would have first given him the run around for 2 hours answering the 200+ questions which are posed to the patient during the standard classical case taking process before that illusive 'single' remedy to treat the 'totality of the symptoms that the patient presents' is prescribed which invariably will not help the patient.
The Homeopathic remedies that I use in treating these diseases with my Joepathy cannot ever cause any side effects like Insulin and Metformin which eventually will destroy a Diabetic's kidneys after a few years of use.
I have proved that Arnica 30 taken in the Wet dose has not 'Proved' in my body and I have many hundreds of patients to whom I have given this remedy and have discovered that it did them a world of good and saved them from other more serious diseases pertaining to the Heart, Brain, Kidneys and other organs.
'However, one thing I do greatly respect about Mr Murthy, is his acknoweldgement that we all have a right to express our views, and that those views can sometimes lead to new discoveries. Suppressing other people's opinions (assuming they are not just personal attacks) is not the way to genuine scholarly discussion.
I am certainly not here to get into that sort of argument with you. I will however offer my opinion where I think it is appropriate to do so.'
You are only wasting your time in shadowing the therapy I prescribe to my patients as those patients whom I have treated and cured have often expressed their gratitude, some in ways that were embarrassing to me personally both on this Forum and in person.
'I don't call myself a Classical Homoeopath. I practice according to the guidelines in the Organon of Medicine and Chronic Diseases, but I also incorporate the newer case-taking methods developed my modern homoeopaths. Classical is a loaded term now, it does not carry one meaning and can often be used as a weapon in arguments.'
This scenario occurred in the past and I had the pleasure, after about 5 years of writing in defense of my Joepathy, to have this same classical homeopath, Gavini to accept that there is indeed a lot of goodness in my therapy which is based on studying this science since 1968 and practicing it for the last 25 years. Here is what Gavini stated on the link below and I would request you to visit this link to read how a diehard classical homeopath was gracious enough after over 5 years of criticizing my Joepathy in a manner that sometimes descended to levels that were objectionable, to state:
'I now appreciate that homeopathic medicines are capable of curing even when used in the non classical way. '
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/231958/
As you are aware, I am 82 years of age and I do not relish the thought of wasting my time on replying to your inanities which I presume will increase from strength to strength in the future in justifying my therapy which has been proved to work in spite of your obvious dislike of my direct 'this for that' attitude which is similar to the allopathic attitude. I am glad to state that I am not by any means the only homeopath to do so as other qualified and world recognized Homeopathic Institutes also use this same 'this for that' therapy as you can read from the link below:
PRASANTA BANERJI HOMEOPATHIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/
INTERHOMEOPATHY
http://www.interhomeopathy.org/dogmatism_in_homeopathy
Banerji Protocol of Treatment
The Banerji Protocol is a new method of treatment using homeopathic medicines. Specific medicines are prescribed for specific diseases. Diseases are diagnosed using modern/state of the art methods. This is done because modern diagnostic approaches incorporate and help in the selection of medicines so that specific medicines could be easily prescribed for specific diseases. This is not practiced in classical homeopathy.
The concept of specific homeopathic medicine for a disease based on symptoms was first perceived and practiced by Late Dr. Pareshnath Banerji. With the passage of time and the availability of new diagnostic tools like Ultrasonography, MRIs, cancer markers and other advanced tests, we were able to further streamline the treatment protocols accurately. The efficiency of this streamlining is reflected by the encouraging results of The Banerji Protocol.
In The Banerji Protocol of treatment, mixtures of remedies or frequent repetitions of the remedies are used when required. This is not practiced in classical homeopathy. The combination of two potentized medicines, we use, are made in a meaningful way based on years of clinical experiments and observations by us. They are mixed for special advantages in treatment, so that the aggravation due to drugs can be checked, side effects of the medicines can be abated, quick and uneventful recovery can be ensured in a much shorter time.
Specific homeopathic medicines are also used for supportive care. Homeopathic medicines prescribed on constitutional grounds may play a useful role in supportive and palliative for patients with malignant disease.
The Banerji Protocol is scientific, logical and is based on all modern diagnostic tools and is very realistic.
It is unfortunate that you have decided to replace Gavini Murthy to whom I referred in my last post to you and after this last rejoinder to your posts which I consider objectionable, I shall ignore them in future as they are a direct anthesis of the love and care that I project even on a Homeopathic Forum such as the ABC to my patients. Replying them will also take too much of my time away from my professional duties as the Chairman of my organization which I can ill afford to waste on defending my Joepathy which has been subjected to many peer reviews and proved to be as good as or even better than the classical homeopathy that you promote. If the success of any therapy in curing the patient is the criterion, there is no doubt that Joepathy wins hands down.
It seems unfortunate that I have to waste time in replying to you as no purpose will be served as you seem to have a lot of free time away from your professional duties which can perhaps give an indication to how busy you are on a day to day basis. I presume that you fill up your working day with your inane posts which are calculated to cause annoyance to me and can interfere with the therapy that I will prescribe in the future to my patients.
It seems very strange to me that you hide behind your pseudonym 'brisbanehomeopath' to criticize me as I have always posted my therapy under my name Joe De Livera which can give you an indication of my character and that I am not at all fearful of those like you who derive some vicarious satisfaction in criticizing instead of in helping a patient. Your pseudonym can give an insight to the true character of the person behind your writings as it seems to me that you are not sufficiently convinced and willing to take the responsibility of your criticism of me and others on this forum. I wonder if Jealousy is a reason for your belligerent attitude.
In direct contrast, f you care to type my name 'Joe De Livera' into Google you will discover that there are about 27000 Hits on this Search Engine which refer to some of the cases I have treated. Each hit contains the entirety of the case giving the patient posts and my responses. Another reference you can make is to 'Joepathy' which lists 873 hits today each of which have about 5 of my more interesting cases which you might care to read and which can give you a deeper insight into the therapy I use which was identified by Gavini Murthy as 'Joepathy' about 6 years ago. You might also care to visit my own Forum Joedelivera.com which I established a few weeks ago at the request of grateful patients who requested me to share my therapy on a Forum which all who are interested can refer to as and when necessary. My forum is yet in the course of being written and is being added to as often as I can spare the time to do so.
Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka.
I am simply amazed at your statement:
'I have been looking over the various posts where you are prescribing. You get more failures and side-effects than you like to admit. Because of this, I will continue to offer my advice to minimize the harm that might be done. '
I cannot understand how you can state this obvious untruth which I would classify as a Bare Faced LIE, on a forum such as the ABC which is visited by over 10000 visitors daily. It will take me too long to collate the number of patients whom I have helped with my Joepathy and those patients whom I have treated will testify to how they were cured, some after many months even years, of suffering from the 'tender loving care' of classical homeopaths, the majority of whom are more interested in milking the patient instead of curing them as every patient represents an unending source of revenue and the patient, once netted cannot escape other than by referring his/her case to a forum such as the ABC.
You will discover if you do an unbiased count of the cases that I have CURED with my Joepathy that they outnumber by far, the cases that other classical homeopaths have succeeded in doing individually with their own therapy.
I can see that your main intention in your threats to interfere with my posts is motivated by your desire to show off your academic prowess which I do not pretend to, as I do not possess that piece of paper that qualifies you to be addressed as a 'doctor'. It is not the qualification that matters in curing a patient which as you perhaps are aware I do completely without charge, which in Sri Lanka I also give the remedy without charge. It is more the projection of the love and care from the prescriber to the patient that is paramount in treating a case of a patient who in some cases seeks some solace from his ailment by posting on the ABC as a last resort after having been through the gamut of doctors and specialists and later even classical homeopaths who were not successful in helping and I take the case and the patient is often cured or at least helped as can be proved by reference to the cases that I have treated.
It seems a shame that you have so far refused to put your theoretical knowledge into practice by treating a single patient on this Forum and I remember in one instance you requsted the patient whom I had advised to consult you to do so in your clinic in Brisbane ! I presume that a fat fee will be levied by you in the unlikely event of the patient agreeing to do so.
I do not wish to waste my time on the ABC and other Forums that I visit in bickering with types like you who pretend to know all the answers to a patient's ailment yet refuse to take a single case. I do wonder what your motivation is in inflicting your presence and ideology on the ABC as this is a Forum to which many patients turn to today as Simon Broadley was as far as I am aware, the first person to establish a Homeopathic Forum in 2002 after which many others followed. I joined the ABC in 2003 with other dedicated Homeopaths and we have all tried to help patients with our joint knowledge of this Science which you are only interested in criticizing with a view to showing off your supercilious knowledge in which both I and the patient are not interested. In the case of the patient, s/he is only interested in a CURE and not in the niceties of the methodology used in the process. In my case I am only interested in CURING the patient not in defending my Joepathy. I note that you even take exception to this word Joepathy which you state is Allopathy. This statement seems very strange as it is my understanding that Allopathy abhors the use of Homeopathic Remedies.
I shall now deal with a few of your statements on your 2 posts in brief :-
'So you have answered my question - you do not believe you can cure this man. This was what I was wondering. Arnica is not the miracle drug after all I guess.'
I am again surprised that a professional homeopath can make a foolish statement such as this, as there are many other diseases that cannot ever be cured although they can be controlled. Can Diabetes be cured? Can Hypertention be cured? These are just 2 diseases that come to my mind and there are hundreds of others that can be controlled but never be cured.
In the case of Dhanywad Sachin, this patient was very fortunate that I dared to take the challenge of helping him to overcome his Myoclonic Jerks which he had been diagnosed as Epilepsy, with my Joepathy and I am certain that a classical homeopath would have first given him the run around for 2 hours answering the 200+ questions which are posed to the patient during the standard classical case taking process before that illusive 'single' remedy to treat the 'totality of the symptoms that the patient presents' is prescribed which invariably will not help the patient.
The Homeopathic remedies that I use in treating these diseases with my Joepathy cannot ever cause any side effects like Insulin and Metformin which eventually will destroy a Diabetic's kidneys after a few years of use.
I have proved that Arnica 30 taken in the Wet dose has not 'Proved' in my body and I have many hundreds of patients to whom I have given this remedy and have discovered that it did them a world of good and saved them from other more serious diseases pertaining to the Heart, Brain, Kidneys and other organs.
'However, one thing I do greatly respect about Mr Murthy, is his acknoweldgement that we all have a right to express our views, and that those views can sometimes lead to new discoveries. Suppressing other people's opinions (assuming they are not just personal attacks) is not the way to genuine scholarly discussion.
I am certainly not here to get into that sort of argument with you. I will however offer my opinion where I think it is appropriate to do so.'
You are only wasting your time in shadowing the therapy I prescribe to my patients as those patients whom I have treated and cured have often expressed their gratitude, some in ways that were embarrassing to me personally both on this Forum and in person.
'I don't call myself a Classical Homoeopath. I practice according to the guidelines in the Organon of Medicine and Chronic Diseases, but I also incorporate the newer case-taking methods developed my modern homoeopaths. Classical is a loaded term now, it does not carry one meaning and can often be used as a weapon in arguments.'
This scenario occurred in the past and I had the pleasure, after about 5 years of writing in defense of my Joepathy, to have this same classical homeopath, Gavini to accept that there is indeed a lot of goodness in my therapy which is based on studying this science since 1968 and practicing it for the last 25 years. Here is what Gavini stated on the link below and I would request you to visit this link to read how a diehard classical homeopath was gracious enough after over 5 years of criticizing my Joepathy in a manner that sometimes descended to levels that were objectionable, to state:
'I now appreciate that homeopathic medicines are capable of curing even when used in the non classical way. '
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/231958/
As you are aware, I am 82 years of age and I do not relish the thought of wasting my time on replying to your inanities which I presume will increase from strength to strength in the future in justifying my therapy which has been proved to work in spite of your obvious dislike of my direct 'this for that' attitude which is similar to the allopathic attitude. I am glad to state that I am not by any means the only homeopath to do so as other qualified and world recognized Homeopathic Institutes also use this same 'this for that' therapy as you can read from the link below:
PRASANTA BANERJI HOMEOPATHIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION
http://www.pbhrfindia.org/
INTERHOMEOPATHY
http://www.interhomeopathy.org/dogmatism_in_homeopathy
Banerji Protocol of Treatment
The Banerji Protocol is a new method of treatment using homeopathic medicines. Specific medicines are prescribed for specific diseases. Diseases are diagnosed using modern/state of the art methods. This is done because modern diagnostic approaches incorporate and help in the selection of medicines so that specific medicines could be easily prescribed for specific diseases. This is not practiced in classical homeopathy.
The concept of specific homeopathic medicine for a disease based on symptoms was first perceived and practiced by Late Dr. Pareshnath Banerji. With the passage of time and the availability of new diagnostic tools like Ultrasonography, MRIs, cancer markers and other advanced tests, we were able to further streamline the treatment protocols accurately. The efficiency of this streamlining is reflected by the encouraging results of The Banerji Protocol.
In The Banerji Protocol of treatment, mixtures of remedies or frequent repetitions of the remedies are used when required. This is not practiced in classical homeopathy. The combination of two potentized medicines, we use, are made in a meaningful way based on years of clinical experiments and observations by us. They are mixed for special advantages in treatment, so that the aggravation due to drugs can be checked, side effects of the medicines can be abated, quick and uneventful recovery can be ensured in a much shorter time.
Specific homeopathic medicines are also used for supportive care. Homeopathic medicines prescribed on constitutional grounds may play a useful role in supportive and palliative for patients with malignant disease.
The Banerji Protocol is scientific, logical and is based on all modern diagnostic tools and is very realistic.
It is unfortunate that you have decided to replace Gavini Murthy to whom I referred in my last post to you and after this last rejoinder to your posts which I consider objectionable, I shall ignore them in future as they are a direct anthesis of the love and care that I project even on a Homeopathic Forum such as the ABC to my patients. Replying them will also take too much of my time away from my professional duties as the Chairman of my organization which I can ill afford to waste on defending my Joepathy which has been subjected to many peer reviews and proved to be as good as or even better than the classical homeopathy that you promote. If the success of any therapy in curing the patient is the criterion, there is no doubt that Joepathy wins hands down.
It seems unfortunate that I have to waste time in replying to you as no purpose will be served as you seem to have a lot of free time away from your professional duties which can perhaps give an indication to how busy you are on a day to day basis. I presume that you fill up your working day with your inane posts which are calculated to cause annoyance to me and can interfere with the therapy that I will prescribe in the future to my patients.
It seems very strange to me that you hide behind your pseudonym 'brisbanehomeopath' to criticize me as I have always posted my therapy under my name Joe De Livera which can give you an indication of my character and that I am not at all fearful of those like you who derive some vicarious satisfaction in criticizing instead of in helping a patient. Your pseudonym can give an insight to the true character of the person behind your writings as it seems to me that you are not sufficiently convinced and willing to take the responsibility of your criticism of me and others on this forum. I wonder if Jealousy is a reason for your belligerent attitude.
In direct contrast, f you care to type my name 'Joe De Livera' into Google you will discover that there are about 27000 Hits on this Search Engine which refer to some of the cases I have treated. Each hit contains the entirety of the case giving the patient posts and my responses. Another reference you can make is to 'Joepathy' which lists 873 hits today each of which have about 5 of my more interesting cases which you might care to read and which can give you a deeper insight into the therapy I use which was identified by Gavini Murthy as 'Joepathy' about 6 years ago. You might also care to visit my own Forum Joedelivera.com which I established a few weeks ago at the request of grateful patients who requested me to share my therapy on a Forum which all who are interested can refer to as and when necessary. My forum is yet in the course of being written and is being added to as often as I can spare the time to do so.
Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Acutally I have posted my name in a few posts. I will post it again here and happily include it in all future posts.
David Kempson
Professional Homoeopath
Adv Diploma Homoeopathic Medicine (Sydney College of Homoeopathy 1994)
Member Australian Traditional Medicine Society #5141
At times in the past when I have posted my full signature like that people have taken offence that I am 'showing off' my credentials so I sought to avoid that this time. It didn't work it seems as you have taken offence anyway. I am definitely not ashamed of the work that went into completing my course of study, or of the hard work I have put into maintaining my skill and a body of knowledge large enough to aid as many patients as I can. I have no problem with being considered an 'acadmemic', as homoeopathy is an extremely complex therapy that requires a huge amount of dedication and study every day just to remain competent.
As I have said before, I do not want to get into a personal argument with you. I am only interested in discussing issues directly related to homoeopathy, prescribing, case management etc. I would rather not discuss any personal issues on a public forum like this. This forum is, however, a public one, and so as long as we refrain from personally attacking or degrading each other, there should be no problem with comments being made.
Firstly, I just want to make it clear I was not saying that you do not help people. I believe that our definitions of CURE are quite different and when held up to the standard I insist on in my own clinic I have not seen very many cures. Obviously if we differ in our expectations this will seem that I am speaking an untruth, but it is simply a difference in our expectations and involvement with a case.
However, it is clear by looking over some of your posts that some people do indeed improve on your Arnica/Nat-phos standard treatment. Although there is only the occasional long term-follow up that I have seen so far, in the short term there are improvements with some patients.
From the perspective of presenting cases as proof of cure - it is standard in the community to never present a case as cured that has not remained as such for at least 12 months. A cured case should also have a reasonable amount of follow-up. Many homoeopathic presenters will actually not submit cases until 2 years have passed. A case needs also to be fully taken, to see that the stringent requirements of homoeopathic cure have been met (all levels of the person affected, miasmatic pattern broken or quietened, direction of cure is being obeyed).
I withdraw my statement about admitting failures and side-effects, as I see that this came out as an inflammatory statement. I do not have the time or enthusiasm to sift through every single post here. Some people are helped, this is a good thing.
I do object to the idea that trained professional homoeopaths are the ones 'milking' the patients. It is the charlatans, the poorly trained, the psuedo-homoepaths who are doing that (we have a lot of those in Australia unfortuantely).
I suppose we could stop paying homoeopaths - then they would have to stop working, since they could not eat or clothe their children or keep a roof over their heads. How would this show their committment to healing? To become unable to live? Making money from practicing homoeopathy is a necessity if we wish to keep working as homoeopaths.
Unlike yourself, I have many overheads associated with working as a homeoeopath - clinic rent, ongoing professional education, insurance, membership fees, phone calls to my patients, constant updating of my remedy stock (which I provide FREE to my patients btw), first aid certificates and so on.
There is no shame in being paid for your work. Your insinuation that being paid for practicing homoeopathy is somehow immoral or greedy is ridiculous.
A properly trained and experienced homoeopath will greatly improve or cure 50-80% of their patients - they do not 'milk them instead of curing . There have been a number of studies that show this level of effectiveness. How else would a site like this even exist, without all those generations of homoeopaths having done the good work they have done, to create the reputation homoeopathy has?
On the other hand, there are a lot of failures that come from poorly practiced homoeopathy, that masquerades as proper homoeopathy. It is the poor practice that fails, and that is because the Organon is not followed.
We all have failures of course, no-one can cure everyone. Some people cannot be cured too, this is also true.
I do not treat on forums because I do not believe it is a suitable medium for patient care. I do not believe that you get proper cases, that you can offer the level of support that chronically sick people need, or that anyone on a forum is truly able to accept responsibility for what happens over the internet. I will only treat when I have full confidence that the patient is going to get the best care from me. I understand others feel differently about that and as long as patients are not being harmed I wouldn't express any concern about it.
You do not understand the concept of Allopathy obviously. There are three basic types of treatment - homoeopathic, antipathic, allopathic. One could argue that spirtual healing is a fourth type (and Hahnemann seemed to think so - he called it Mesmerism).
Homoeopathy has nothing to do with potentized medicines. Homoeopathy only means that you must use the Law of Similars to prescribe (and therefore cure).You could use herbs or even orthodox drugs homoeopathically.
For a potentized medicine to be considered homoeopathic, it must be chosen based on its similarity to the patient's state. Just being potentized, means nothing.
Orthodox medicine tends to use Antipathy (the Law of Opposites) to create a system of palliation and disease management. The Antipathy cannot cure, and in fact it very easily suppresses. The Law of Opposites is directly related to the Law of Similars, and a practitioner will still be using the symptoms of the patient to prescribe. However they will be attempting to counteract them with something that does the opposite (eg. applying heat to something that is cold).
Allopathy, means 'Other Suffering'. A phrase coined by Hahnemann to represent those treatments which do not use the patient's individual symptoms in any way. Allopathy is often chosen on the basis of the practitioner's theory or personal perception of the cause. Many vitamin and mineral therapies are Allopathic, as are some herbal treatments. Allopathy does not invidivualise the patient's case in anyway, but attempts to treat something that is not experienced by the patient, or in fact related to their real problem.
In the days of Hahnemann, Allopathy consisted of Bleeding the patient (cupping), Leeches, Purgatives and such.
Today Orthodox medicine mainly works using Antipathy, and it is left to some 'alternative' health practices to take up the mantle of Allopathy.
David Kempson
Professional Homoeopath
Adv Diploma Homoeopathic Medicine (Sydney College of Homoeopathy 1994)
Member Australian Traditional Medicine Society #5141
At times in the past when I have posted my full signature like that people have taken offence that I am 'showing off' my credentials so I sought to avoid that this time. It didn't work it seems as you have taken offence anyway. I am definitely not ashamed of the work that went into completing my course of study, or of the hard work I have put into maintaining my skill and a body of knowledge large enough to aid as many patients as I can. I have no problem with being considered an 'acadmemic', as homoeopathy is an extremely complex therapy that requires a huge amount of dedication and study every day just to remain competent.
As I have said before, I do not want to get into a personal argument with you. I am only interested in discussing issues directly related to homoeopathy, prescribing, case management etc. I would rather not discuss any personal issues on a public forum like this. This forum is, however, a public one, and so as long as we refrain from personally attacking or degrading each other, there should be no problem with comments being made.
Firstly, I just want to make it clear I was not saying that you do not help people. I believe that our definitions of CURE are quite different and when held up to the standard I insist on in my own clinic I have not seen very many cures. Obviously if we differ in our expectations this will seem that I am speaking an untruth, but it is simply a difference in our expectations and involvement with a case.
However, it is clear by looking over some of your posts that some people do indeed improve on your Arnica/Nat-phos standard treatment. Although there is only the occasional long term-follow up that I have seen so far, in the short term there are improvements with some patients.
From the perspective of presenting cases as proof of cure - it is standard in the community to never present a case as cured that has not remained as such for at least 12 months. A cured case should also have a reasonable amount of follow-up. Many homoeopathic presenters will actually not submit cases until 2 years have passed. A case needs also to be fully taken, to see that the stringent requirements of homoeopathic cure have been met (all levels of the person affected, miasmatic pattern broken or quietened, direction of cure is being obeyed).
I withdraw my statement about admitting failures and side-effects, as I see that this came out as an inflammatory statement. I do not have the time or enthusiasm to sift through every single post here. Some people are helped, this is a good thing.
I do object to the idea that trained professional homoeopaths are the ones 'milking' the patients. It is the charlatans, the poorly trained, the psuedo-homoepaths who are doing that (we have a lot of those in Australia unfortuantely).
I suppose we could stop paying homoeopaths - then they would have to stop working, since they could not eat or clothe their children or keep a roof over their heads. How would this show their committment to healing? To become unable to live? Making money from practicing homoeopathy is a necessity if we wish to keep working as homoeopaths.
Unlike yourself, I have many overheads associated with working as a homeoeopath - clinic rent, ongoing professional education, insurance, membership fees, phone calls to my patients, constant updating of my remedy stock (which I provide FREE to my patients btw), first aid certificates and so on.
There is no shame in being paid for your work. Your insinuation that being paid for practicing homoeopathy is somehow immoral or greedy is ridiculous.
A properly trained and experienced homoeopath will greatly improve or cure 50-80% of their patients - they do not 'milk them instead of curing . There have been a number of studies that show this level of effectiveness. How else would a site like this even exist, without all those generations of homoeopaths having done the good work they have done, to create the reputation homoeopathy has?
On the other hand, there are a lot of failures that come from poorly practiced homoeopathy, that masquerades as proper homoeopathy. It is the poor practice that fails, and that is because the Organon is not followed.
We all have failures of course, no-one can cure everyone. Some people cannot be cured too, this is also true.
I do not treat on forums because I do not believe it is a suitable medium for patient care. I do not believe that you get proper cases, that you can offer the level of support that chronically sick people need, or that anyone on a forum is truly able to accept responsibility for what happens over the internet. I will only treat when I have full confidence that the patient is going to get the best care from me. I understand others feel differently about that and as long as patients are not being harmed I wouldn't express any concern about it.
You do not understand the concept of Allopathy obviously. There are three basic types of treatment - homoeopathic, antipathic, allopathic. One could argue that spirtual healing is a fourth type (and Hahnemann seemed to think so - he called it Mesmerism).
Homoeopathy has nothing to do with potentized medicines. Homoeopathy only means that you must use the Law of Similars to prescribe (and therefore cure).You could use herbs or even orthodox drugs homoeopathically.
For a potentized medicine to be considered homoeopathic, it must be chosen based on its similarity to the patient's state. Just being potentized, means nothing.
Orthodox medicine tends to use Antipathy (the Law of Opposites) to create a system of palliation and disease management. The Antipathy cannot cure, and in fact it very easily suppresses. The Law of Opposites is directly related to the Law of Similars, and a practitioner will still be using the symptoms of the patient to prescribe. However they will be attempting to counteract them with something that does the opposite (eg. applying heat to something that is cold).
Allopathy, means 'Other Suffering'. A phrase coined by Hahnemann to represent those treatments which do not use the patient's individual symptoms in any way. Allopathy is often chosen on the basis of the practitioner's theory or personal perception of the cause. Many vitamin and mineral therapies are Allopathic, as are some herbal treatments. Allopathy does not invidivualise the patient's case in anyway, but attempts to treat something that is not experienced by the patient, or in fact related to their real problem.
In the days of Hahnemann, Allopathy consisted of Bleeding the patient (cupping), Leeches, Purgatives and such.
Today Orthodox medicine mainly works using Antipathy, and it is left to some 'alternative' health practices to take up the mantle of Allopathy.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Homoeopathy has cured many incurable cases. Epilepsy included. Your assessment of this case as incurable should not be the final word.
The Banerji protocol is only truly effective when the pathology has advanced to such a stage that the indvidiual's state has merged with the pathological state. Those patients, once the patholgy has disappeared or reduced signficantly, are sent back to traditional homoeopathy to make sure that they do not see a reoccurance of their condition.It is not a 'replacement' for traditional homoeopathy, it is an emergency treatment. There are reasons why it is necessary.
I stated in another post that I agreed with the usefulness of this method in cancer. However, it is not suitable for 'constitutional' treatment of patients or when the patients do not present with tissue changes that have overwhelmed their ability to express their disease individually.
The Banerji Protocal is an extension of First Aid prescribing, but rather than in the intitial stages of disease it is used at the end stages. Much like a human being, at the beginning and the end there is a kind of similarity. First Aid prescribing doesn't rely on the individuality of the patient as much because the initial reaction to an external event tends to be the same in all of us, due to the similarities of our human bodies. Therefore, Arnica is common, Ledum is common, Hypericum is common.
At the end, when the pathology has become life threatening, it is the same. The human body begins to react in ways that are not dependent on the individual. It relies on the similarities in our human systems, the structure of our human bodies. We all tend to die the same way, just as we tend to bruise the same way or bleed the same way.
Everything in between, however, shows peculiarity, strangeness, uniqueness. This protocol doesn't 'undo' homoeopathic philosophy at all - in fact it very nicely fits into the same place that first aid/emergency prescribing already sits. What it does, is force practitioners to admit a need for flexibility in approaching life-threatening conditions.
It should also be noted, that while this method of treatment is promising, it only proven to cure 19% of patients.
I have attempted to find these examples of cases you have cured. I have only been able to find a few cases here and there, occasional mentions of cure, lot of people just seem to disappear with no follow up. What happens to these people, after a year, 2 years? Does anyone know? There is precious little organization to the information, no listing of cases, it seems scattered all over the net. It is very difficult to do a proper assessment of the success of this method - and I am an 'acadmemic' and quite used to chasing down information.
I might spend some more time attempting to collate these cases so I can make a genuine commment on the results rather than my impression from watching a few cases on this forum.
The Banerji protocol is only truly effective when the pathology has advanced to such a stage that the indvidiual's state has merged with the pathological state. Those patients, once the patholgy has disappeared or reduced signficantly, are sent back to traditional homoeopathy to make sure that they do not see a reoccurance of their condition.It is not a 'replacement' for traditional homoeopathy, it is an emergency treatment. There are reasons why it is necessary.
I stated in another post that I agreed with the usefulness of this method in cancer. However, it is not suitable for 'constitutional' treatment of patients or when the patients do not present with tissue changes that have overwhelmed their ability to express their disease individually.
The Banerji Protocal is an extension of First Aid prescribing, but rather than in the intitial stages of disease it is used at the end stages. Much like a human being, at the beginning and the end there is a kind of similarity. First Aid prescribing doesn't rely on the individuality of the patient as much because the initial reaction to an external event tends to be the same in all of us, due to the similarities of our human bodies. Therefore, Arnica is common, Ledum is common, Hypericum is common.
At the end, when the pathology has become life threatening, it is the same. The human body begins to react in ways that are not dependent on the individual. It relies on the similarities in our human systems, the structure of our human bodies. We all tend to die the same way, just as we tend to bruise the same way or bleed the same way.
Everything in between, however, shows peculiarity, strangeness, uniqueness. This protocol doesn't 'undo' homoeopathic philosophy at all - in fact it very nicely fits into the same place that first aid/emergency prescribing already sits. What it does, is force practitioners to admit a need for flexibility in approaching life-threatening conditions.
It should also be noted, that while this method of treatment is promising, it only proven to cure 19% of patients.
I have attempted to find these examples of cases you have cured. I have only been able to find a few cases here and there, occasional mentions of cure, lot of people just seem to disappear with no follow up. What happens to these people, after a year, 2 years? Does anyone know? There is precious little organization to the information, no listing of cases, it seems scattered all over the net. It is very difficult to do a proper assessment of the success of this method - and I am an 'acadmemic' and quite used to chasing down information.
I might spend some more time attempting to collate these cases so I can make a genuine commment on the results rather than my impression from watching a few cases on this forum.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Well I have looked over the various threads where you have been prescribing, not just in this forum but others - I have tried following various patients for a period of time - perhaps a year. Almost NO cures reported. I will say almost because the amount of information is too vast for me to check every one. Even if there were some, success rate is pretty small, far smaller than 'classical' homoeopathy, despite your claims to the contrary.
I also notice that Mr Murthy has had a very similar argument with you previously, and the moderator was very clear about not allowing these threads to degenerate into that sort of sqabbling. I cannot see any benefit to allowing such a squabble to continue.
I was surprised to find so many commments about you by other homoeopaths. If nothing else you certainly have caused a stir in the virtual homoeopathic community.I didn't even know you existed until I began posting here.
So, it might be prudent for you and I not to directly talk to each other. I will make comments for the eyes of the posters, and you can continue to make your comments.
Since I so strongly disagree with what you are doing to people, ethically as well as professionally, I cannot see any way for us to interact and NOT have it become unpleasant.
I also notice that Mr Murthy has had a very similar argument with you previously, and the moderator was very clear about not allowing these threads to degenerate into that sort of sqabbling. I cannot see any benefit to allowing such a squabble to continue.
I was surprised to find so many commments about you by other homoeopaths. If nothing else you certainly have caused a stir in the virtual homoeopathic community.I didn't even know you existed until I began posting here.
So, it might be prudent for you and I not to directly talk to each other. I will make comments for the eyes of the posters, and you can continue to make your comments.
Since I so strongly disagree with what you are doing to people, ethically as well as professionally, I cannot see any way for us to interact and NOT have it become unpleasant.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Hi Dr.Joe
Im feeling better but couple of times if im tired,jerks do come.But i feel some tingling/pricking sense in arm/leg before jerk comes.Also couple of times i feel like muscle movement in head before jerk comes.Is this a indicator of any diseases?
Im feeling better but couple of times if im tired,jerks do come.But i feel some tingling/pricking sense in arm/leg before jerk comes.Also couple of times i feel like muscle movement in head before jerk comes.Is this a indicator of any diseases?
sachinram230 last decade
To Sachin
The reason why you may not be responding as you did at the beginning of your therapy may be due to your using the Split Dose as advised by me where you diluted the remedy further by mixing a capful of the remedy in a half cup of water from which you took a sip, when you stated that you were experiencing some problem.
You can return to the Wet dose of sipping a capful directly from the bottle for a week to see if it will help your problem better.
'Also couple of times i feel like muscle movement in head before jerk comes.Is this a indicator of any diseases?'
I regret that I cannot answer your question as I am not qualified to do so and even if I was, it would require many tests to answer it with some degree of certainity.
The fact is however that you responded well to my Joepathy and we can hope that you will continue to show positive progress in the future as well.
The reason why you may not be responding as you did at the beginning of your therapy may be due to your using the Split Dose as advised by me where you diluted the remedy further by mixing a capful of the remedy in a half cup of water from which you took a sip, when you stated that you were experiencing some problem.
You can return to the Wet dose of sipping a capful directly from the bottle for a week to see if it will help your problem better.
'Also couple of times i feel like muscle movement in head before jerk comes.Is this a indicator of any diseases?'
I regret that I cannot answer your question as I am not qualified to do so and even if I was, it would require many tests to answer it with some degree of certainity.
The fact is however that you responded well to my Joepathy and we can hope that you will continue to show positive progress in the future as well.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
To Nawaz
I am glad to note that you are monitoring my posts as my Joepathy does not conform to the standard classical concept of Homeopathy as I follow the allopathic path of directly treating the disease instead of using the standard homeopathic concept of treating the 'totality of the symptoms' the patient presents.
You may also like to visit the links below which deal with the use of Arnica 1M to help desperate cases that were originally considered lost and which no other homeopath would have dared to treat:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/40936
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/228108/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/229694/
I am glad to note that you are monitoring my posts as my Joepathy does not conform to the standard classical concept of Homeopathy as I follow the allopathic path of directly treating the disease instead of using the standard homeopathic concept of treating the 'totality of the symptoms' the patient presents.
You may also like to visit the links below which deal with the use of Arnica 1M to help desperate cases that were originally considered lost and which no other homeopath would have dared to treat:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/40936
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/228108/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/229694/
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear and respectable Joe D Livera, Thanks.
We greatly appreciate your work.
Many many prayers for your long life.
Regards
Nawaz
We greatly appreciate your work.
Many many prayers for your long life.
Regards
Nawaz
♡ nawazkhan last decade
To Nawaz
Your comments and your good wishes are appreciated.
It is this feeling of camaraderie that gives me the satisfaction of being present on the ABC to hopefully change the image that Homeopathy has throughout the world.
I may mention here that I have been the catalyst for change in the standard thinking of homeopaths in Sri Lanka and I hope that it will also influence the thinking in other countries.
Your comments and your good wishes are appreciated.
It is this feeling of camaraderie that gives me the satisfaction of being present on the ABC to hopefully change the image that Homeopathy has throughout the world.
I may mention here that I have been the catalyst for change in the standard thinking of homeopaths in Sri Lanka and I hope that it will also influence the thinking in other countries.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Hi Dr.Joe
From yesterday,my left eye is swollen slightly.All of my room mates are suffering from Conjunctivitis.Seems i got that too.Please sugest suitable remedy for it.
From yesterday,my left eye is swollen slightly.All of my room mates are suffering from Conjunctivitis.Seems i got that too.Please sugest suitable remedy for it.
sachinram230 last decade
To Sachin
How is your 'Epilepsy' problem faring?
I regret that there is nothing that Homeopathy can do for your Conjunctivitis as it is a virus borne infection similar to a cold and all you can do is to stay at home and not spread the infection to others.
If as you state your eye is swollen, this indicates that there is a bacterial infection for which you will have to use an antibiotic which an eye doctor can prescribe.
How is your 'Epilepsy' problem faring?
I regret that there is nothing that Homeopathy can do for your Conjunctivitis as it is a virus borne infection similar to a cold and all you can do is to stay at home and not spread the infection to others.
If as you state your eye is swollen, this indicates that there is a bacterial infection for which you will have to use an antibiotic which an eye doctor can prescribe.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Homoeopathy has many remedies for conjunctivitis. If you give your symptoms someone here may be able to prescribe one for you.
Infectious diseases respond quite well to homoeopathy. Of course many infectious illnesses run their course before you even get a chance to use homoeopathy.
Since conjuctivitis in healthy adults usually only lasts a short period, do you have access to homoeopathic medicines such as a first aid kit or a local health food store or pharmacy that stocks them?
Infectious diseases respond quite well to homoeopathy. Of course many infectious illnesses run their course before you even get a chance to use homoeopathy.
Since conjuctivitis in healthy adults usually only lasts a short period, do you have access to homoeopathic medicines such as a first aid kit or a local health food store or pharmacy that stocks them?
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
To BH
Physician Heal Thyself
LYCOPODIUM CLAVATUM
Club Moss
(LYCOPODIUM)
'Mind.--Melancholy; afraid to be alone. Little things annoy, Extremely sensitive. Averse to undertaking new things. Head strong and haughty when sick. Loss of self-confidence. Hurried when eating. Constant fear of breaking down under stress. Apprehensive. Weak memory, confused thoughts; spells or writes wrong words and syllables. Failing brain-power (Anac; Phos; Baryt). Cannot bear to see anything new. Cannot read what he writes. Sadness in morning on awaking.'
Physician Heal Thyself
LYCOPODIUM CLAVATUM
Club Moss
(LYCOPODIUM)
'Mind.--Melancholy; afraid to be alone. Little things annoy, Extremely sensitive. Averse to undertaking new things. Head strong and haughty when sick. Loss of self-confidence. Hurried when eating. Constant fear of breaking down under stress. Apprehensive. Weak memory, confused thoughts; spells or writes wrong words and syllables. Failing brain-power (Anac; Phos; Baryt). Cannot bear to see anything new. Cannot read what he writes. Sadness in morning on awaking.'
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Actually I have a very competent homoeopath to look after my health, thank you for asking Joe.
You should look over one of my other posts to understand the true state of Lycopodium - by understanding the problem of the remedy, you can understand better the problems it suits in patients.
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/248546/
You should look over one of my other posts to understand the true state of Lycopodium - by understanding the problem of the remedy, you can understand better the problems it suits in patients.
http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/248546/
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
As you are no doubt aware by now, I have debunked that Classical Theory, under which you and other classical homeopaths labour with my Joepathy, conclusively.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Debunked...hilarious.
Every allopath thinks he has debunked homoeopathy.
Of course, as an allopath, you have little right to say what homoeopathy can and cannot cure, and so I will always pull you up on that.
As an allopath you have very little understanding of homoeopathy which of course makes it impossible for you to debunk it. But please feel free to ally yourself with the enemies of homoeopathy if you find that comfortable.
Joepathy is just allopathy. It is old as time and has always been the enemy of homoeopathy. Allopathy, the great delusion of medicine.
Every allopath thinks he has debunked homoeopathy.
Of course, as an allopath, you have little right to say what homoeopathy can and cannot cure, and so I will always pull you up on that.
As an allopath you have very little understanding of homoeopathy which of course makes it impossible for you to debunk it. But please feel free to ally yourself with the enemies of homoeopathy if you find that comfortable.
Joepathy is just allopathy. It is old as time and has always been the enemy of homoeopathy. Allopathy, the great delusion of medicine.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Anyway, all jousting aside, I am only really interested in maintaining a level of competent homoeopathic advice on the forum, not engaging in an argument with you about what you think is wrong with homoeopathy.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
'Cannot bear to see anything new.'
I am copying a sentence from Boericke on Lyco just in case you did not read it as I felt that a few doses taken in the Wet dose can help you to overcome the intensity of your response to Joepathy which has been proved even on this thread, to have helped the patient. You will note that Sachin reported that he was affected by his 'jerks' in a couple of days without the Arnica and this proves to you that Arnica has helped him although it has not cured him. It is possible that he may have to take Arnica for life and I have proved conclusively after 16 years of taking it daily that it is absolutely safe to do so. I am sure that you would never even dream of prescribing Arnica to Sachin as it is obviously not in the classical Repertory for this ailment. I have proved that although it has not been used for patients like Sachin that it has helped him in a few days when he was almost giving up with what he felt was the end of the world with his 'Epilepsy' which I believe was diagnosed by the physicians he consulted. There is no better proof of the efficacy of my Joepathy other than the confirmation by the patient.
Arnica worked the miracle in a few days and his jerks were no more. It will be necessary however that Sachin takes Arnica for life on a daily basis.
I have often stated that I am not interested in the methodology that is used to help a patient. I believe that it is the cure of his ailment that is paramount and I have proved conclusively that my Joepathy is far more effective in helping the patient in comparison to the remedies that you or other classically trained homeopaths use to treat the patient whose ailment will go from bad to worse under your classical care, and eventually compel the patient to seek solace in drugs which can help him but also affect him in other ways as all drugs have a negative after effect on the body if taken in the long term.
You state:
'Of course, as an allopath, you have little right to say what homoeopathy can and cannot cure, and so I will always pull you up on that.
As an allopath you have very little understanding of homoeopathy which of course makes it impossible for you to debunk it. But please feel free to ally yourself with the enemies of homoeopathy if you find that comfortable.
Joepathy is just allopathy. It is old as time and has always been the enemy of homoeopathy. Allopathy, the great delusion of medicine.'
The quote from your own statements above shows your inner state of mind where you:
'Cannot bear to see anything new.'
This strong reaction from you to the Joepathy that I prescribe, which as you are aware has helped thousands of patients, seems to me to qualify you for treatment with Lyco. I would suggest that you take Lyco 30c in the Wet dose which you now obviously know how to make, twice daily.
I would suggest that you use it yourself, with or without the consent of your own 'very competent homoeopath' who looks after your health, who I presume is like you another classically trained homeopath who cannot see the 'wood from the trees'.
I am copying a sentence from Boericke on Lyco just in case you did not read it as I felt that a few doses taken in the Wet dose can help you to overcome the intensity of your response to Joepathy which has been proved even on this thread, to have helped the patient. You will note that Sachin reported that he was affected by his 'jerks' in a couple of days without the Arnica and this proves to you that Arnica has helped him although it has not cured him. It is possible that he may have to take Arnica for life and I have proved conclusively after 16 years of taking it daily that it is absolutely safe to do so. I am sure that you would never even dream of prescribing Arnica to Sachin as it is obviously not in the classical Repertory for this ailment. I have proved that although it has not been used for patients like Sachin that it has helped him in a few days when he was almost giving up with what he felt was the end of the world with his 'Epilepsy' which I believe was diagnosed by the physicians he consulted. There is no better proof of the efficacy of my Joepathy other than the confirmation by the patient.
Arnica worked the miracle in a few days and his jerks were no more. It will be necessary however that Sachin takes Arnica for life on a daily basis.
I have often stated that I am not interested in the methodology that is used to help a patient. I believe that it is the cure of his ailment that is paramount and I have proved conclusively that my Joepathy is far more effective in helping the patient in comparison to the remedies that you or other classically trained homeopaths use to treat the patient whose ailment will go from bad to worse under your classical care, and eventually compel the patient to seek solace in drugs which can help him but also affect him in other ways as all drugs have a negative after effect on the body if taken in the long term.
You state:
'Of course, as an allopath, you have little right to say what homoeopathy can and cannot cure, and so I will always pull you up on that.
As an allopath you have very little understanding of homoeopathy which of course makes it impossible for you to debunk it. But please feel free to ally yourself with the enemies of homoeopathy if you find that comfortable.
Joepathy is just allopathy. It is old as time and has always been the enemy of homoeopathy. Allopathy, the great delusion of medicine.'
The quote from your own statements above shows your inner state of mind where you:
'Cannot bear to see anything new.'
This strong reaction from you to the Joepathy that I prescribe, which as you are aware has helped thousands of patients, seems to me to qualify you for treatment with Lyco. I would suggest that you take Lyco 30c in the Wet dose which you now obviously know how to make, twice daily.
I would suggest that you use it yourself, with or without the consent of your own 'very competent homoeopath' who looks after your health, who I presume is like you another classically trained homeopath who cannot see the 'wood from the trees'.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
*sigh* here we go again. Do I take the bait or not....
I will attempt to keep this argument to the points relevent to homoeopathy.
Taking a remedy for life is not cure. Why are you not offering cure to your patients if Arnica is such a miracle medicine? A miracle that cannot cure - interesting.
Not only that, but your 'cures', if they work at all, only fix one specific problem and leave the rest of the case untouched. In Sachin's case for instance, he still suffered from 'brain fog'. A homoeopath can use the simillimum to cure all complaints the patient has, or at worst can use remedies in sequence to cure the whole of the patient's suffering.
Further to this 'cure', in the hierarchy of symptoms, disturbance in thinking is quite important, and on a correctly prescribed medicine it would cure alongside or before the jerks.
Sachin himself asked you if you would find a more permanent solution to his problem. You ignored his request, and instead told him he was incurable and would have to take Arnica for the rest of his life.
Incurable for you perhaps. Someone who knew what they were doing would not be so quick to give up. And at the very least removing the hope of cure from the patient is unethical.
Now to the next point...
Materia Medica for Arnica (compiled by genuine homoeopaths)
Epilepsy (12 separate authors mention Arnica for this disease)
Cured cases of epilepsy are mentioned in the Hahnemannian Advocate in 1898.
Jerking (hundreds of references from various authors)
Spasms: Clonic, Jerks (again many references, the earliest is in Boenninghausen's repertory)
So your assertion that homoeopaths would not have prescribed Arnica for a patient with epilepsy or myoclonic jerks is false, since it has been recorded clearly as a remedy for this disease.
I believe I already stated this in another post. You did not discover anything, you cannot claim this as your own. Allopathy is not new. Arnica is not new. Treating epilepsy, diabetes, etc is not new. Trashing homoeopathy is not new. Making outrageous unsupportable claims is not new. Selling snake oil is not new.
Sachin is still where he was before - he still has epilepsy as of the last post,as when he stopped Arnica the jerks came back. This is not a particularly good example of your allopathic approach being better than homoeopathy. We have many recorded cures - where are yours? I have even cured a few myself (permanently without any need for ongoing treatment). If your allopathic approach is so effectice, do the same thing.
Since homoeopathy CURES chronic disease, your claim that constant management of chronic disease is somehow better is illogical. I know homoeopaths can see that, I hope that those people new to homoeopathy can see that as well.
Third point - it is not homoeopathy that makes patients worse. It is allopathy as you and orthodox doctors practice, it is those practitioners who do not practice according to the philosophy. You really believe that for 200 years homoeopaths have been making patient's worse and driving them to orthodox doctors? This is actually so ridiculous I am not going to bother to refute it.
Lastly, it is quite childish trying to imply my opposition to your method and 'philosophy' (or lack of) acutally requires a medicine to 'cure' it. It also shows that you have no idea what the 'fear of something new' means in Lycopodium. Really, if you actually cared about people, about your 'patients' you would make some kind of effort to educate yourself. Bravo for at least suggesting a remedy that wasn't Arnica or Nat-phos. Perhaps my standing up to you might spur you on to learn something new yourself lol.
It appears to me that there is a great deal of your ego caught up in discovering something new. What is a shame is that you seem more interested in the glory, than the reality of discovering something.
There are genuine real discoveries being made - Emoto's experiments with water crystals,Rajan Sankaran's use of gesture in case-taking, Grant Bentley's use of facial analysis to determine miasm, Jan Scholten's discovery of the periodic table themes, the Mumbai group's work on Kingdoms and Group themes - these are actual new things, and quite rightly the homoeopathic community is very concerned about them.
What you are doing here, intercepting sick and desperate people to practice allopathic-arnic-natphos therapy on them, has not really made a ripple. That is because you are just another allopath in an ocean of allopaths, all doing more or less the same thing, and homoeopaths have been dealing with allopathy since the beginning.
I will attempt to keep this argument to the points relevent to homoeopathy.
Taking a remedy for life is not cure. Why are you not offering cure to your patients if Arnica is such a miracle medicine? A miracle that cannot cure - interesting.
Not only that, but your 'cures', if they work at all, only fix one specific problem and leave the rest of the case untouched. In Sachin's case for instance, he still suffered from 'brain fog'. A homoeopath can use the simillimum to cure all complaints the patient has, or at worst can use remedies in sequence to cure the whole of the patient's suffering.
Further to this 'cure', in the hierarchy of symptoms, disturbance in thinking is quite important, and on a correctly prescribed medicine it would cure alongside or before the jerks.
Sachin himself asked you if you would find a more permanent solution to his problem. You ignored his request, and instead told him he was incurable and would have to take Arnica for the rest of his life.
Incurable for you perhaps. Someone who knew what they were doing would not be so quick to give up. And at the very least removing the hope of cure from the patient is unethical.
Now to the next point...
Materia Medica for Arnica (compiled by genuine homoeopaths)
Epilepsy (12 separate authors mention Arnica for this disease)
Cured cases of epilepsy are mentioned in the Hahnemannian Advocate in 1898.
Jerking (hundreds of references from various authors)
Spasms: Clonic, Jerks (again many references, the earliest is in Boenninghausen's repertory)
So your assertion that homoeopaths would not have prescribed Arnica for a patient with epilepsy or myoclonic jerks is false, since it has been recorded clearly as a remedy for this disease.
I believe I already stated this in another post. You did not discover anything, you cannot claim this as your own. Allopathy is not new. Arnica is not new. Treating epilepsy, diabetes, etc is not new. Trashing homoeopathy is not new. Making outrageous unsupportable claims is not new. Selling snake oil is not new.
Sachin is still where he was before - he still has epilepsy as of the last post,as when he stopped Arnica the jerks came back. This is not a particularly good example of your allopathic approach being better than homoeopathy. We have many recorded cures - where are yours? I have even cured a few myself (permanently without any need for ongoing treatment). If your allopathic approach is so effectice, do the same thing.
Since homoeopathy CURES chronic disease, your claim that constant management of chronic disease is somehow better is illogical. I know homoeopaths can see that, I hope that those people new to homoeopathy can see that as well.
Third point - it is not homoeopathy that makes patients worse. It is allopathy as you and orthodox doctors practice, it is those practitioners who do not practice according to the philosophy. You really believe that for 200 years homoeopaths have been making patient's worse and driving them to orthodox doctors? This is actually so ridiculous I am not going to bother to refute it.
Lastly, it is quite childish trying to imply my opposition to your method and 'philosophy' (or lack of) acutally requires a medicine to 'cure' it. It also shows that you have no idea what the 'fear of something new' means in Lycopodium. Really, if you actually cared about people, about your 'patients' you would make some kind of effort to educate yourself. Bravo for at least suggesting a remedy that wasn't Arnica or Nat-phos. Perhaps my standing up to you might spur you on to learn something new yourself lol.
It appears to me that there is a great deal of your ego caught up in discovering something new. What is a shame is that you seem more interested in the glory, than the reality of discovering something.
There are genuine real discoveries being made - Emoto's experiments with water crystals,Rajan Sankaran's use of gesture in case-taking, Grant Bentley's use of facial analysis to determine miasm, Jan Scholten's discovery of the periodic table themes, the Mumbai group's work on Kingdoms and Group themes - these are actual new things, and quite rightly the homoeopathic community is very concerned about them.
What you are doing here, intercepting sick and desperate people to practice allopathic-arnic-natphos therapy on them, has not really made a ripple. That is because you are just another allopath in an ocean of allopaths, all doing more or less the same thing, and homoeopaths have been dealing with allopathy since the beginning.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Of course, this has all been said before. I am aware I am just the latest homoeopath to be offended by this allopathic perversion of homoeopathy. I imagine I will not be the last.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
To BH
It is obvious that I am only wasting my time in continuing to respond to your criticism of the therapy I prescribe to patients on the ABC, the majority of whom have confirmed that they were helped by it, whilst many also confirmed that they were cured.
I often have wondered how you can possibly continue to criticize my therapy almost on a daily basis, which you often do within a few minutes of my posting my response to the patient if as you state, you are so busily occupied with your practice and how you can spare the time away from your duties to do so.
In my case I am semi retired at age 82 although I do still drive myself daily to office as I have done for the last 60+ years, but I do leave office a an hour earlier to give me more time to relax at home with my music, reading, exercise and other pursuits at home.
You have consistently refused to prescribe any therapy to patients whom I am already treating, unless they meet you in person in Brisbane as I presume that you are more interested in collecting your fee, rather than in helping a patient which we all do on the ABC. In my case I have always treated my patients completely free of charge, and include the remedies which I give the patients who consult me in Sri Lanka free. Yet you compel me to defend my Joepathy at some cost to me of time wasted in so doing, both in office and sometimes at home when I see you pontificating from Brisbane which is 5.5 hours ahead of our time.
It is when you deliberately confuse the mind of the patient with your inane statements that I do get annoyed and I am then compelled to respond immediately at least to show up the false values which you propagate, when all you are expected to do for the patient on this ABC Forum is to suggest an alternate remedy to help cure his ailment, if you feel that my therapy is otherwise incorrect.
I do wonder if your attitude is motivated by some deep rooted jealousy which perhaps stems from the success of my therapy as confirmed by my patients. There is unfortunately no possibility of comparing it with any equivalent effort on your part as sadly, there is none.
I still am convinced that Lyco is your remedy to help you overcome that syndrome succinctly prescribed by Oscar Boericke in his Materia Medica in the late 1920's:
''Cannot bear to see anything new.'
It is obvious that I am only wasting my time in continuing to respond to your criticism of the therapy I prescribe to patients on the ABC, the majority of whom have confirmed that they were helped by it, whilst many also confirmed that they were cured.
I often have wondered how you can possibly continue to criticize my therapy almost on a daily basis, which you often do within a few minutes of my posting my response to the patient if as you state, you are so busily occupied with your practice and how you can spare the time away from your duties to do so.
In my case I am semi retired at age 82 although I do still drive myself daily to office as I have done for the last 60+ years, but I do leave office a an hour earlier to give me more time to relax at home with my music, reading, exercise and other pursuits at home.
You have consistently refused to prescribe any therapy to patients whom I am already treating, unless they meet you in person in Brisbane as I presume that you are more interested in collecting your fee, rather than in helping a patient which we all do on the ABC. In my case I have always treated my patients completely free of charge, and include the remedies which I give the patients who consult me in Sri Lanka free. Yet you compel me to defend my Joepathy at some cost to me of time wasted in so doing, both in office and sometimes at home when I see you pontificating from Brisbane which is 5.5 hours ahead of our time.
It is when you deliberately confuse the mind of the patient with your inane statements that I do get annoyed and I am then compelled to respond immediately at least to show up the false values which you propagate, when all you are expected to do for the patient on this ABC Forum is to suggest an alternate remedy to help cure his ailment, if you feel that my therapy is otherwise incorrect.
I do wonder if your attitude is motivated by some deep rooted jealousy which perhaps stems from the success of my therapy as confirmed by my patients. There is unfortunately no possibility of comparing it with any equivalent effort on your part as sadly, there is none.
I still am convinced that Lyco is your remedy to help you overcome that syndrome succinctly prescribed by Oscar Boericke in his Materia Medica in the late 1920's:
''Cannot bear to see anything new.'
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
My attitude results from you telling patients they cannot be cured. Keeping people from true healers is unethical. Acknowledge the limiations of your allopathic approach and allow people to seek help from actual homoeopaths.
You are doing nothing new. Even if that is what Lycopodium was about (and you STILL haven't understood the meaning of that symptom for that remedy), it would be irrelevent.
You have very few successes. Your delusion that you have is perplexing. There are not 'thousands of patients'. Most of the posts one finds when searching for 'joepathy' are written by yourself.
I have never been jealous of allopathy. I imagine you are most annoyed by having to defend yourself against people who are educated and experienced with homoeopathy. I can see how this would threaten this imaginary world of success you have created. I have looked over many posts where others have said exactly what I have said.
I was not speaking to you when this latest argument started. I will continue to speak up if you tell patients that homoeopathy cannot cure them, or if you attempt to divert them to managing their disease rather than cure it.
You are doing nothing new. Even if that is what Lycopodium was about (and you STILL haven't understood the meaning of that symptom for that remedy), it would be irrelevent.
You have very few successes. Your delusion that you have is perplexing. There are not 'thousands of patients'. Most of the posts one finds when searching for 'joepathy' are written by yourself.
I have never been jealous of allopathy. I imagine you are most annoyed by having to defend yourself against people who are educated and experienced with homoeopathy. I can see how this would threaten this imaginary world of success you have created. I have looked over many posts where others have said exactly what I have said.
I was not speaking to you when this latest argument started. I will continue to speak up if you tell patients that homoeopathy cannot cure them, or if you attempt to divert them to managing their disease rather than cure it.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
IF you want to engage me in discussion about methods or patients or homoeopathy or allopathy, then keep to those issues. Don't insist on making personal attacks. I see from other posts that this has been your way of dealing with homoeopaths.
If you cannot stop criticizing me personally then don't engage me at all. I will not respond to accusations of greed, jealousy, mental illness or any of the other ridiculous and clearly desperate claims you make about my character.
If you cannot stop criticizing me personally then don't engage me at all. I will not respond to accusations of greed, jealousy, mental illness or any of the other ridiculous and clearly desperate claims you make about my character.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Copied from http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/229694/2 Brisbane homeopath
To BH
It is obvious that I am only wasting my time in continuing to respond to your criticism of the therapy I prescribe to patients on the ABC, the majority of whom have confirmed that they were helped by it, whilst many also confirmed that they were cured.
I often have wondered how you can possibly continue to criticize my therapy almost on a daily basis, which you often do within a few minutes of my posting my response to the patient if as you state, you are so busily occupied with your practice and how you can spare the time away from your duties to do so.
In my case I am semi retired at age 82 although I do still drive myself daily to office as I have done for the last 60+ years, but I do leave office a an hour earlier to give me more time to relax at home with my music, reading, exercise and other pursuits at home.
You have consistently refused to prescribe any therapy to patients whom I am already treating, unless they meet you in person in Brisbane as I presume that you are more interested in collecting your fee, rather than in helping a patient which we all do on the ABC. In my case I have always treated my patients completely free of charge, and include the remedies which I give the patients who consult me in Sri Lanka free. Yet you compel me to defend my Joepathy at some cost to me of time wasted in so doing, both in office and sometimes at home when I see you pontificating from Brisbane which is 5.5 hours ahead of our time.
It is when you deliberately confuse the mind of the patient with your inane statements that I do get annoyed and I am then compelled to respond immediately at least to show up the false values which you propagate, when all you are expected to do for the patient on this ABC Forum is to suggest an alternate remedy to help cure his ailment, if you feel that my therapy is otherwise incorrect.
I do wonder if your attitude is motivated by some deep rooted jealousy which perhaps stems from the success of my therapy as confirmed by my patients. There is unfortunately no possibility of comparing it with any equivalent effort on your part as sadly, there is none.
I still am convinced that Lyco is your remedy to help you overcome that syndrome succinctly prescribed by Oscar Boericke in his Materia Medica in the late 1920's:
''Cannot bear to see anything new.'
To BH
It is obvious that I am only wasting my time in continuing to respond to your criticism of the therapy I prescribe to patients on the ABC, the majority of whom have confirmed that they were helped by it, whilst many also confirmed that they were cured.
I often have wondered how you can possibly continue to criticize my therapy almost on a daily basis, which you often do within a few minutes of my posting my response to the patient if as you state, you are so busily occupied with your practice and how you can spare the time away from your duties to do so.
In my case I am semi retired at age 82 although I do still drive myself daily to office as I have done for the last 60+ years, but I do leave office a an hour earlier to give me more time to relax at home with my music, reading, exercise and other pursuits at home.
You have consistently refused to prescribe any therapy to patients whom I am already treating, unless they meet you in person in Brisbane as I presume that you are more interested in collecting your fee, rather than in helping a patient which we all do on the ABC. In my case I have always treated my patients completely free of charge, and include the remedies which I give the patients who consult me in Sri Lanka free. Yet you compel me to defend my Joepathy at some cost to me of time wasted in so doing, both in office and sometimes at home when I see you pontificating from Brisbane which is 5.5 hours ahead of our time.
It is when you deliberately confuse the mind of the patient with your inane statements that I do get annoyed and I am then compelled to respond immediately at least to show up the false values which you propagate, when all you are expected to do for the patient on this ABC Forum is to suggest an alternate remedy to help cure his ailment, if you feel that my therapy is otherwise incorrect.
I do wonder if your attitude is motivated by some deep rooted jealousy which perhaps stems from the success of my therapy as confirmed by my patients. There is unfortunately no possibility of comparing it with any equivalent effort on your part as sadly, there is none.
I still am convinced that Lyco is your remedy to help you overcome that syndrome succinctly prescribed by Oscar Boericke in his Materia Medica in the late 1920's:
''Cannot bear to see anything new.'
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
CORRECTION
PLEASE IGNORE MY LAST POST WHICH SHOULD BE REPLACED BY:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/249323
To David Kempson (brisbanehomeopath)
'you seem to have developed a knack for prescribing this way. It is very encouraging and is one of the other reasons I decided to start getting involved.'
Welcome aboard and I hope you keep it up.
I hope that you will understand that Homeopathy is a precious Science which I consider the duty of Homeopaths who visit this Forum to advise the patient towards a cure, instead of criticizing the therapy that I and other Homeopaths, classically qualified or otherwise, may prescribe to the patient.
If they feel otherwise they should not inflict their presence on the Forum and waste the time of these well meaning Homeopaths by compelling them to respond to each and every criticism made which has unfortunately continued, ad nauseam especially on the threads I have tried to help the patient.
It is the record of success of the cases treated that is relevant and NOT the classical qualification to prescribe for the 'totality of the symptoms the patient presents, with one remedy', that counts in the long run.
Joe De Livera
PLEASE IGNORE MY LAST POST WHICH SHOULD BE REPLACED BY:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/249323
To David Kempson (brisbanehomeopath)
'you seem to have developed a knack for prescribing this way. It is very encouraging and is one of the other reasons I decided to start getting involved.'
Welcome aboard and I hope you keep it up.
I hope that you will understand that Homeopathy is a precious Science which I consider the duty of Homeopaths who visit this Forum to advise the patient towards a cure, instead of criticizing the therapy that I and other Homeopaths, classically qualified or otherwise, may prescribe to the patient.
If they feel otherwise they should not inflict their presence on the Forum and waste the time of these well meaning Homeopaths by compelling them to respond to each and every criticism made which has unfortunately continued, ad nauseam especially on the threads I have tried to help the patient.
It is the record of success of the cases treated that is relevant and NOT the classical qualification to prescribe for the 'totality of the symptoms the patient presents, with one remedy', that counts in the long run.
Joe De Livera
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
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