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I am a 32-year-old mother of four. I remember situations, in my early youth already, where I felt scared but it never disturbed me from living a normal live.
Last few years however, things have gone much worse: any situation where I feel I can’t get away from causes problems: e.g. Travelling (I can’t go to far from my house and only by foot), visiting (even people coming to me) shopping (especially waiting to pay)
I also can’t take any decisions or resposibilities.
When I panic, I feel terribly sick and I get racing thoughts especially about my parents dying. I can’t control my mind anymore. My symptoms are much worse after eating or when I am tired in the evening . Most off the day I feel sick and scared.
The attacks mostly occur in the evenings and lately I start feeling depressed too (feelings like : is such a life worth it, a feeling I never had and that scares me even more as things seem to get worse).

Two years ago I was diagnosed with low thyroid and very low adrenal function. My doctor said that my symptoms should slowly disappear but after taking medication now for over a year I didn’t see any improvement (only got different symptoms) so I weaned off the thyroid. The low dose cortisol for my adrenals I still take as it gives me slightly more energy

I would love to go freely around without all these panics and have more kids and live a normal live without my mind running away.
I’m a ‘perfectionist’ when it comes to the education of my kids but my house doesn’t look perfect.
I only eat little bits during the day and get never sit down and have a whole meal as I feel much worse after eating.
I must add that nearly no one knows about my problems (I even managed to hide them from my husband till two years ago…)I keep smiling and happy to other people and when I feel terrible I go to my room. I dont like to talk about my problems (they seem to aggravate if I do)That's why I also like privacy.
Is there anything you can advise me to take?
Is there any more info I should give you?
Thank you very much for any help!!
Ann
 
  ann32 on 2005-07-05
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
few more things I thought of:
I'm very skinny.
I have very low BP
Low iron too which doesn't seem to go up by any med or injections.
I've tried once taking arg. nitr. but didn't see a big improvement.
I have no real physical health problems.
Thanks!
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Ann32 -

Check out this thread

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/29492/

It offers advice about herbal remedies that may help you.

Hope this helps!
 
naydies last decade
Thanks for your reply.
It sounds very interesting...but I am taking low cortisol for my run down adrenals. Would that be a problem.
Another question : I have no problems at all with sleeping or falling asleep. Is that not one of the main things this seroctin is dealing with?
Thanks alot for any advise!
So nice to see that I'm not the only one...I'm also worrying far too much and I am scared to do too much in the morning so to get tired and panicky in the afternoon...
ann
 
ann32 last decade
please try Bach flower remedies: Mimulus, Larch, Agrimony & walnut. They will take care of your mental symptoms, give you more courage to face anything.
Bach remedies can be mixed together & you can take 3pills *4 times a day. If you get them singly, then take 1 pill of each(that makes it 4 pills for a dose) & take it 4 times a day. It will certainly make you feel better. Then later you may write all your symptoms to help decide a Constitutional remedy for you.
 
willway last decade
Thank you very much for your reply.
I've been taking these bach + a few more (white chestnut, gorse, cherry plum)
There is aslight improvement but...
I'm also having accupuncture since a few month.

What do you mean with pills I take them as drops?!?

I thought about natr. muriaticum or sepia for hom.
Any thoughts about that?
Thanks again!
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Bach can be taken as drops as well, but one tends to use up the medicine quickly. Used in pill form, they last longer.you can actually put a drop of the ones I mentioned in a water bottle & keep sipping thru the day.
Mat Mur does come to mind but before we go in for that it is better to have the complete picture. You may have to give more details.
 
willway last decade
Hi!
What more info would you like?
Do you think it's worth trying this herbal med mentioned in the other thread (seroctin) or should I keep to the Bach and homeopathie?
Is it likely that the seroctin will help me or is it for different cases?
Thanks for any help and please excuse my english as it is not my usual language..
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Ann,

I have patients on Seroctin who range with symptoms such as OCD (Obsessive Compulsive Disorder) to impotence. Seroctin seems to work over time by balancing the serotonin/melatonin cycles. It also addresses the pineal, pituitary and hypothalmus. When you understand the massive amount of work these glands do, you can see where they affect the emotional reactions that include anxiety, fear, lack of self control, lack of self confidence, fear of traveling far from a safe place, etc. If you are NOT taking any anti-anxiety drugs or anti-depressants, I think that Seroctin may be of benefit to you.

I totally agree with the Bach flower of Agrimony for you. This is the flower that is used for keeping a smiling face to cover one's pain (this will help you feel more comfortable in revealing how you feel with your husband, provided your husband is ready to do this.) You can the Bach flowers with Seroctin absolutely....Just like you could also add the proper homeopathic to the mix. I only know Bach Flower as drops, by the way, not pills.

If you have low thyroid, I don't see how you can be "very skinny." That doesn't compute. What kind of cortisol are you on? Isocort? That is a natural adrenal glandular that I highly recommend to those with low adrenal function. But one MUST learn via an Adrenal Stress Index Test (a one day saliva panel that you do at home) when the cortisol is lowest. IF your thyroid is low, chances are your cortisol levels are lowest upon waking and around 11am or noon. This would be the time you supplement with Isocort but the dose would be determined by when the cortisol is lowest. For example, if the cortisol is lowest upon waking, you might take four Isocorts under the tongue, chew them up and swallow for best assimilation. Then if your second lowest reading is around noon, you might take two Isocorts in the same fashion at that time. Isocort has been a godsend for anyone with low adrenal function.

However, adrenal glands need to be nourished over time and the best herbal way to do that is through adaptogenic herbs. These are specific tonic herbs that nourish, feed and gradually revitalize those fight or flight glands. The herbs range from Siberian Ginseng and American Ginseng to Rhodiola and Chinese Ant. But there are many, many more to choose from. Look up "adaptogens herbal adrenal" in the search engine on the Internet and you should find a great deal of information.

Jim
 
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Thanks alot for your reply.
I'm indeed very skinny (47 kg and 1.57m) but I did a 24 hour urine test and came out very low t3 and t4 (thyroid) but as I didn't feel any better after nearly two years of taking Armour I stopped (my dr said I had to go up insstead of down but I couldn't)
I had the saliva test and my results were very strange: am 3!! (should be 13-24) noon 25 (should be 5-10) afternoon 7 (should be 3-8) evening 16 !!(should be 1-4)
I was taking hydrocort (same as isocort but I live in Europe )but it didn't work so my dr prescribed a low dose prednisolon which I take 3x day. It helps abit.
I read alot and I always thought that my symptoms are low adrenal and not thyroid although it could be that my thyrroid became low becouse of my low adrenals.
Anyway.I still feel sick most of the day and scared.(it is slightly better than it was but I'm not at all there yet)
I take bach blossems during the day.
I don't take any drugs although I have a packet of lexotan(bromazepan) lying here (over a year already )and if I have a real bad day I take a quarter but not more than once a month or even less.
I cant take any extra stress or changes and when I get panicky I feel all weak and start seeing blurred and feel terribly sick. So should I try and order this Seroctin. Is that a med that one is supposed to be taking for the rest of ones life or untill you feel better?
Are there any side effects?
Thanks alot for all your advise.
I'm really happy I found this forum!!
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Ann,

It is difficult for me to do any kind of proper analysis via the constraints of the Forum. You should be working one-on-one with a qualified ND who has a good grasp of the endocrine system. Your numbers are conflicting indeed! High cortisol numbers at night indicate that stress is overwhelming you and, I would assume, causing restlessness when you sleep? One could recommend a formula that lowers evening cortisol (known as Relora in the States) but I'm afraid it may antagonize your morning cortisol numbers.

What is Prednisolon? Is that a steroid? If so, this could be contributing greatly to your kidney imbalance which impacts your adrenal glands. The kidneys and adrenals are connected in how they affect emotions and the perception of one's life.

Yes, Seroctin could certainly help you. However, if you are on steroids, it will not be of any great benefit. In fact, it's hard to recommend anything natural when someone is on steroids. (I'm only assuming that Pred. is a steroid. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

There are no side effects to Seroctin that I've noted to date with my patients. While Seroctin is new to me in my practice (it's been around for at least three years in the States), it's hard to say whether it's a life-long tablet to take. I rather cringe when I even think of someone on something (even something natural and herbal) the rest of their life, save for the nutritional oils and fatty acids such as coconut oil, rice bran oil, palm oil, etc. Those are foods. Since Seroctin pinpoints SEROTONIN and MELATONIN, these are the aspects one must address naturally. Melatonin is easy to naturally encourage by simply tilting your forehead toward the sun for at least 20 minutes a day. This will charge up the pineal gland (known as the "Third Eye") and encourage your body to make melatonin. Serotonin is more involved, as our universal lack of dietary health and fast food programs have severely compromised Serotonin's ability to function. If you live in an area that is dreary most of the year, your serotonin levels will most likely be low. Thus, Seroctin would be of great benefit to you. But please understand that I am not a one-supplement person here. Yes, Seroctin can help, but you must take a serious look at your overall health regimen and see where the holes are and what can fill in those holes so that you can realize perfect health and vitality.

In re-reading your text, I sense that there is some blood sugar imbalance. More HYPOglycemic in nature. Is this correct? Are you eating enough protein? Are you a vegetarian? Are you consuming soy? (Please stop consuming soy if you are. It's poison to the endocrine system.) Also, as Sabra has said many times, do NOT consume anything with Aspartame in it. It is poison, too.

Get a lot more fatty acids in your diet. That's a no-brainer.

Jim
 
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Thanks again!
I know I should find a good dr but there is no one around here who believes in natural remedies and is a normal dr too...My endo is very good and is doing all the test but doen't seem to know more...

Pred. is indeed a steroid but i'm taking a very low dose (as recommended by dr jeffries in his book 'the safe uses of cortisone')

The funny thing is that I have no trouble at all faling asleep and sleeping through the night. but in the evening I feel terrible.

I'm on no special diet but as I feel terrible after eating I try to leave out white flour, sugar and yellow cheese and that helps abit.Soy products I never eat.Also no caffeine and no aspartame.

There's not much sun here indeed.

I think it has got to do with blood sugar too as I feel much better when I fast but I dont crave proteins but I do eat little bits during the day instead of eating three meals.

It's so hard to know what to do as everything is connected.

What really makes me scared that i get more phobic and depressed. Thats a feeling I never had before.
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Off the top of my head, I'd say you are lacking in meat protein. One can't eat little bits during the day if those little bits are not protein-rich. Nothing is going to function, Ann, if you don't get sensible and get enough food in your system so you can think clearly. You feel like your're drowning in a pool of your own emotions but it could be because you have gradually worn down your system via a poor diet, not enough (or any) fatty acids and a sense that it's all too complicated to figure out so why bother. You have to have the energy to develop the willpower so you can make a change in your life. And none of this can happen if you're living on fumes. There's an airy-quality to your posts that suggests you are not grounded. Eating more red meat protein can help ground you and allow greater perspective. It will also greatly help your low iron count. If you can handle it, eat liver (a great source of natural iron.)

I am no defender of steroids as I've seen their dire health consequences in my patients. I don't care the dose. They destroy the kidneys over time and create more side effects and residual health problems than when you started. The steroids could be causing the conflict in thyroid and adrenal numbers as drugs often create false or out of balance glandular test counts. Cancer drugs are known to do this (check the PDR).

I've given you the best info I can from a Forum point of view. Do whatever you can to rouse yourself and make determined changes in your health.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Jim
 
Jim Sheldon ND last decade
Thank you very much for your advise!
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Now in the morning I read everything over and would like to straighten out some things.
These test were made before I took any med so they cant have interfeared with the results.
I understand that from a forum I cant get a proper med advise and thats not what I was asking for(I do have a good endo here just not an natural one)I just wanted to have an advise about this seroctin if it could be worth trying for me and about a hom medicin I was thinking of.
Thansk for the help given.
Best regards,
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Now in the morning I read everything over and would like to straighten out some things.
These test were made before I took any med so they cant have interfeared with the results.
I understand that from a forum I cant get a proper med advise and thats not what I was asking for(I do have a good endo here just not an natural one)I just wanted to have an advise about this seroctin if it could be worth trying for me and about a hom medicin I was thinking of.
Thansk for the help given.
Best regards,
Ann
 
ann32 last decade
Hi - I have had the same symptoms as you for over five years. I have found relief through a naturopath using a monthly injection of a mixture called "Myers Cocktail" which is mostly vitamins and Magnesium. It has made the world of difference! I was basically diagnosed with low adrenal function. Do some research on Myers cocktail, and talk to a Naturopath. Wishing you well...
 
jtaylor last decade
Thanks alot! I've downloaded some info and are going to show it to my endo.
He's given me all the vit that are in the cocktail in oral form and he was wondering why nothing gets absorbed...so maybe he'll agree to try this out.
Thanks alot for you reply!!!
 
ann32 last decade
Try to take my advise.... the problems u have described and the symptoms u have mentioned are substantially require professional help by an homeopathic practitionar doctor only. that knows also convential psychology....
If u really want to be cured.
u cannot find answers to these conditions u described up in here...with all the respect to the internet.. u need to familirize and personalarize yourself with an homeopathic doctor without the constraints of the internet. because bad analysis can do much harm and compromise ur entire health condition rather then contribute to it. so take that in mind. homeopathy is not innocent and naive it can do sometimes even irreversible damage and some reverse reactions.
 
eliran last decade
Dont worry,I'm not treating myself at all. I'm am under constant professional doctors and a good natural one too.
It's just that, as I dont absorb the med and vitamins, they are also a bit lost and thats why i am looking if they are any other people on the world with similar problems and maybe they found the right solution that helped them.
I consult my doctor constantly and wouldn't take anything before he agrees. (cant give myself an IV injection ;-)
Anyway, thanks for your reply.
 
ann32 last decade
Ann32,

Jim Sheldon mentioned hypoglycemia and your symptoms could well indicate that condition. I'm not a doctor, but was diagnosed with HG ten years ago. As with me, HG can manifest itself, for years, with progressively worse symptoms of all types: physical, mental, psychological. I went probably fifteen years with mostly fatigue or tiredness that became progressively worse until more dramatic symptoms developed and eventually led to a diagnose with the 5 hour Glucose Tolerance Test.

Symptoms vary, some experience more physical symptoms and others more mental, but HG can mimic symptoms of many other conditions, and still many doctors fail to test for it, going through various diagnoses and treatments without getting to the core problem. Everything you describe could be caused by HG.

You don't give much detail about what you do eat, but any amount of sugar, or rich carbs such as potatoes, rice, pasta, bread, etc., on a regular basis, can often keep the condition and assorted symptoms going. And HG can lead to adrenal exhaustion.

I'd just say I think you should consider HG, learn more about it and see if it might fit what you've experienced. Then talk with your doctor very specifically about it if you thing that might be the cause of your symptoms. Here's one site that describes HG and gives a lower carb diet to manage it:

http://www.guaidoc.com/hypoglycemia.htm

Here's another site that might be informative:

http://www.hypoglycemia.asn.au/articles/what_is_hypo.html

If you haven't before, read about HG and keep in mind that no one experiences all the symptoms. Mine, for years, were mostly physical, others experience different symptoms. But I still see stories in books and on forums of people who've suffered for years, and gone through several doctors and treatments before learning that they have HG, and finally finding real improvement.

I think you should definitely learn about HG and discuss it with your doctor, if you haven't already.

You can Google "Hypoglycemia symptoms" and find many sites to consider and compare HG to your condition.
 
Will88 last decade
My dr thought already about hg but as people with hg feel bad if they dont eat and I feel bad after I eat, he doesn't think thats the problem.
Thanks anyway!
 
ann32 last decade
You can feel bad most anytime with HG, including after you eat. There's a definite diagnostic test that determines HG, not simply a review of symptoms. Some doctors give HG more serious consideration than others when reviewing symptoms.
 
Will88 last decade
Thanks!
I'll mention it again by my dr.
 
ann32 last decade
One other comment based on myexperience and that of others with HG. Symptoms can be caused by what's been eaten on a particular day, or by the diet followed for months and years previous. If someone has HG and the diet for a long period prior has been poor for HG, then the symptoms can be many and occur any time of day.

HG might well have nothing to do with your condition, but if someone has HG without knowing it, and their diet is poor for HG, symtoms can be most anything.
 
Will88 last decade

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