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Genetic Predisposition - ADEL 56
i came across the drug ADEL 56 from ADELMAR pharma germany (acidum formicum 10x, acidum nitricum 6x, baptisia 6x, Glechoma 6x, graphites 8x, thuja 10x ) for the diseases releated to infection in the body and diseases releatred to genetic pre-disposition.did anyone has used it and whats the experience
hporwal on 2012-03-16
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That isn't homoeopathy. I would avoid products that lump a whole lot of unrelated remedies together based on the name of a disease or condition. This is completely against the principles of homoeopathy. Such mixtures are likely to cause side effects.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Some of the products of Adel is working fine.About Adel 56,I have given to many patients and they have reponded well.
shafiqur last decade
It is not homoeopathy. Whatever the product does will not be cure because the law of similars is not being used. I see this all the time, claims that these products 'work'. Working usually means suppression, palliation or placebo. When such patients come to clinic for chronic complaints that were unaffected by these products, inevitably under proper constitutional treatment the complaints return, and require proper curing. This shows me such a method of applying potentized medicines (combinations applied to the name of the condition and not the underlying disease) is not curative and simply drives the illness within, where it hides until brought back out to be cured.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
company products are safe ,what the reason is all medicines are lower potencies,no side effects,no aggrevations,,lower potencies are frequently repeated, i have cured many cases
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100%height last decade
Please, you are talking to an experienced trained homoeopath. Don't try to tell me our medicines don't cause aggravtions and provings. This is a bold faced lie.
You will get provings and aggravations from EVERY potency and ANY remedy, based on the patient's sensitivity and how careless and stupid the practitioner is. You cannot wave a magic wand and stop the law of similars from working. If you get no aggravation you are getting no cure because cure follows aggravation, and if you can give multiple remedies and not expect the law of similars to create provings - well that is just impossible and clearly a lie. Lies perpetrated by, as usual, the psuedohomoeopaths. Many of our provings were done on very low potencies, so they WILL produce symptoms of some sort, and the MUST do so if there is going to be any improvement for the patient.
It is highly annoying to see people continuing to spout this kind of rubbish. Real homoeopaths never say this kind of stuff, but that is because they are interested in making people healthy, not making a quick buck from the suffering of others.
It is detestable.
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You will get provings and aggravations from EVERY potency and ANY remedy, based on the patient's sensitivity and how careless and stupid the practitioner is. You cannot wave a magic wand and stop the law of similars from working. If you get no aggravation you are getting no cure because cure follows aggravation, and if you can give multiple remedies and not expect the law of similars to create provings - well that is just impossible and clearly a lie. Lies perpetrated by, as usual, the psuedohomoeopaths. Many of our provings were done on very low potencies, so they WILL produce symptoms of some sort, and the MUST do so if there is going to be any improvement for the patient.
It is highly annoying to see people continuing to spout this kind of rubbish. Real homoeopaths never say this kind of stuff, but that is because they are interested in making people healthy, not making a quick buck from the suffering of others.
It is detestable.
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♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Alone ADEL 56 will not act but with it symtomatic medicine need to be given.A patent medicine is given just to give temporary and quick results.There are many Homoeopathic doctors who shouts for single remedy but it is not so easy.Majority of their cases fail.Then they will take support of either Mother Tincture or Bio Chemic medicines.So lets be practical and honest.
shafiqur last decade
i have seen in india many of the practioners are giving multiple remedies combined and claim to achieve good results.
may be an easier way to give many remedies combined and hope to get the result.
may be an easier way to give many remedies combined and hope to get the result.
hporwal last decade
India is unfortunately full of practitioners who do not practice homoeopathy very well. I have seen a number of classical homoeopaths from India who complain about it. There is a level of homoeopathy there which is very basic and has been corrupted by allopathic philosophy (multiple remedies, palliation of symptoms, overdosing). This has been going on since Hahnemann first unveiled his system of medicine.
Sometimes these practitioners are deceptive in doing this, but sometimes they are just so poorly trained that they cannot tell the difference between cure and suppression. So they can seem very genuine, despite causing harm to their patients. Since allopaths harm their patients all the time, it seems to be something they can live with, or expect to happen. Allopathy has given people very low expectations of healing.
Those claims of good results are usually just that - claims.
There are many reasons why giving multiple remedies is poor practice.
1. Many remedies antidote each other, so you can end up getting nothing from even a good remedy included in the mix.
2. If one remedy helps, but another harms, there is no way to work out which is which.
3. Remedies put together can create new unknown effects, so you cannot apply them properly unless someone does a proving (experiment to determine symptoms produced and so are cured). This has not been done with combinations, which are unproven medicines used without any knowledge of what they can or cannot do.
4. Continuing treatment over the long term becomes impossibe. You may need to go up or down in potency, or move to a complementary remedy. How will you know which one to go up or down with, or which complementary to use? You cannot, it is chaos, and nobody can treat a patient with any care or intelligence this way.
Combinations almost always palliate and sometimes suppress, if they work at all. For some unfortunate people they produce side effects that can last a life time, which the purveyors of these products will deny and absolve themselves of any responsibility.
Sometimes these practitioners are deceptive in doing this, but sometimes they are just so poorly trained that they cannot tell the difference between cure and suppression. So they can seem very genuine, despite causing harm to their patients. Since allopaths harm their patients all the time, it seems to be something they can live with, or expect to happen. Allopathy has given people very low expectations of healing.
Those claims of good results are usually just that - claims.
There are many reasons why giving multiple remedies is poor practice.
1. Many remedies antidote each other, so you can end up getting nothing from even a good remedy included in the mix.
2. If one remedy helps, but another harms, there is no way to work out which is which.
3. Remedies put together can create new unknown effects, so you cannot apply them properly unless someone does a proving (experiment to determine symptoms produced and so are cured). This has not been done with combinations, which are unproven medicines used without any knowledge of what they can or cannot do.
4. Continuing treatment over the long term becomes impossibe. You may need to go up or down in potency, or move to a complementary remedy. How will you know which one to go up or down with, or which complementary to use? You cannot, it is chaos, and nobody can treat a patient with any care or intelligence this way.
Combinations almost always palliate and sometimes suppress, if they work at all. For some unfortunate people they produce side effects that can last a life time, which the purveyors of these products will deny and absolve themselves of any responsibility.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Well done David a very clear explanation. I love you being on this forum and standing your ground with classic homeopathy I understand more now and your needed on here for this very reason so people do not lose sight of what homeopathy actually is. Brilliant
pixie wood last decade
I will also concede though, that on occasion the patient gets their simillimum in that mix, and happens to also not be sensitive to the other remedies (a very unusual combination of events). In such cases you will get the kind of improvement homoeopathy can give you, and unfortunately the patient will mistake the fact that medicine was a combination as somehow important to their cure.
The principle of the Single Remedy is not really an issue of whether or not the person is practicing homoeopathy. A person is a homoeopath as long as they are using the law of similars to prescribe. This is usually NOT the case with combinations as the practitioner isn't choosing those medicines at all - someone who has never even seen that client has done it. They make the choice of combination on the basis of what someone else has said it is good for. People can choose single remedies like this too, and also not be practicing homoeopathy.
The issue of number of medicines is all about case management. The more you prescribe, the more difficult it is to assess and progress towards cure. With all the trouble a single remedy can cause, if you multiply that by 6 or 8 or 12, you are creating a lot of confusion and trouble.
The principle of the Single Remedy is not really an issue of whether or not the person is practicing homoeopathy. A person is a homoeopath as long as they are using the law of similars to prescribe. This is usually NOT the case with combinations as the practitioner isn't choosing those medicines at all - someone who has never even seen that client has done it. They make the choice of combination on the basis of what someone else has said it is good for. People can choose single remedies like this too, and also not be practicing homoeopathy.
The issue of number of medicines is all about case management. The more you prescribe, the more difficult it is to assess and progress towards cure. With all the trouble a single remedy can cause, if you multiply that by 6 or 8 or 12, you are creating a lot of confusion and trouble.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
allopathy medicine invented by hippocrates,today allopathy doctors were not followed hippocrates treatment,now a days lot of changes,advancement in medical system.like allopathy,homoeo is also changes,advancement.that the reason behind the patent medicine origin. most of indian homoeo doctors were doing classical homoeopathy treatment,in that reason,they have no practice, 90 PERCENT CASES FAILURE,some english fluency homoeodoctors,they can manage patients with english,with little subject and minimalcure, [most of allopathic doctors also]
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dr.alex last decade
90% failure. What rubbish! That is the kind of slander that the allopaths love to level at us. Complete and utter rubbish. I have been practicing classical homoeopathy for 20 years and my success rate is 70-80%. I know many homoeopaths from India with busy practices who are Classical.
Most Indian homoeopaths were NOT doing classical homoeopathy. Most of them were allopaths with hardly any real training in homoeopathy. These are the ones that were failing, not the properly trained ones. It is an interesting diversionary technique to blame those people actually able to do the work.
Going back to allopathic prescribing methods and philosophies is going BACKWARD - how on earth does any real homoeopath think it is going forward? Hahnemann invented homoeopathy to counter allopathy - to join with it is a betrayal of all homoeopathy stands for.
Homoeopathy has always had more genuine cures than allopathy. Allopaths should be striving to be more like us, not the other way around.
Crazy.
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Most Indian homoeopaths were NOT doing classical homoeopathy. Most of them were allopaths with hardly any real training in homoeopathy. These are the ones that were failing, not the properly trained ones. It is an interesting diversionary technique to blame those people actually able to do the work.
Going back to allopathic prescribing methods and philosophies is going BACKWARD - how on earth does any real homoeopath think it is going forward? Hahnemann invented homoeopathy to counter allopathy - to join with it is a betrayal of all homoeopathy stands for.
Homoeopathy has always had more genuine cures than allopathy. Allopaths should be striving to be more like us, not the other way around.
Crazy.
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♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
the presume the combinations like these are also designed by some experienced homeopaths .
do they not take care of the points the the remedies selected does not conlict with each other and there selection of remedies compliment each other.
is it possible that a single remedy covers all the symptoms . i feel person may be suffering from multiple diseases which may be addessed by selecting a larger set of symptoms
anyways my knowledge is very very limited. looking for the comments
do they not take care of the points the the remedies selected does not conlict with each other and there selection of remedies compliment each other.
is it possible that a single remedy covers all the symptoms . i feel person may be suffering from multiple diseases which may be addessed by selecting a larger set of symptoms
anyways my knowledge is very very limited. looking for the comments
hporwal last decade
hpowal,i agree with u r comment,some doctors saidthat give single remedy,but they were not followed,example-a case of urticaia,doctor given sigle drug[colocynth] ,no change in urticaia,doctor change the drug[sulphur given] with in 4 days, actually colocynth action 6o days, combine the both drug actions in the body,this is also COMBINTION DRUGS[PATENTS],this condition is dangerous than PATENTS,wbc patents are lower potencies,. they were told the patients wrong remedy dangerous, and they do not give antidote, i saw maximum cases inthe forum,maximum cases failure
dr.alex last decade
In your example above dr alex-
you are saying colocynthis was not
the right remedy and colocynthis
acts for 60 days???
Then saying sulpher was given after
4 days of colocynthis.
Did sulpher fix the problem?
Are you saying then that if a remedy
is given and it is not working-
then it should be antidoted before
anything else is given? but not
in low potencies? what potencies
need to be antidoted and how do
YOU practice antidoting?
you are saying colocynthis was not
the right remedy and colocynthis
acts for 60 days???
Then saying sulpher was given after
4 days of colocynthis.
Did sulpher fix the problem?
Are you saying then that if a remedy
is given and it is not working-
then it should be antidoted before
anything else is given? but not
in low potencies? what potencies
need to be antidoted and how do
YOU practice antidoting?
♡ simone717 last decade
This forum is hardly the place to be judging homoeopathy. Most of the prescribers here are not qualified, and most of them are not classical.
Combinations cannot be 'designed'. Without knowing the symptoms of that individual patient you cannot guess what remedy or remedies they will need. A combination created by someone else is not homoeopathic for the case unless the symptoms are carefully checked against each remedy in it. I have never seen that happen at any time I have seen combinations used. They are prescribed on the name of the condition or on the common symptoms of the condition. Both of these methods conflict with homoeopathic philosophy.
There is no combination occurring when a second remedy is prescribed after the first. Where did you get that idea from? The vital force will only take on one state. This will either be the state of the last remedy taken, or the state of the remedy to which they are most sensitive. There is only one vital force, it cannot have multiple states, since a state encompasses all levels of the person.
You certainly can get complications though. If you were to give Coloc and this has an effect on the patient, it may produce a tertiary effect (healing crisis) once the primary and secondary effects are over. This may continue even if sulphur is given, which will then produce its own primary effect. However, the state of the patient will now be Sulphur, assuming they are sensitive enough to react to it all.
This is where using multiple remedies falls down. It undercuts an important aspect of our philosophy - the principle of totality which encompasses the idea of both a single disease and a single remedy.
Combinations cannot be 'designed'. Without knowing the symptoms of that individual patient you cannot guess what remedy or remedies they will need. A combination created by someone else is not homoeopathic for the case unless the symptoms are carefully checked against each remedy in it. I have never seen that happen at any time I have seen combinations used. They are prescribed on the name of the condition or on the common symptoms of the condition. Both of these methods conflict with homoeopathic philosophy.
There is no combination occurring when a second remedy is prescribed after the first. Where did you get that idea from? The vital force will only take on one state. This will either be the state of the last remedy taken, or the state of the remedy to which they are most sensitive. There is only one vital force, it cannot have multiple states, since a state encompasses all levels of the person.
You certainly can get complications though. If you were to give Coloc and this has an effect on the patient, it may produce a tertiary effect (healing crisis) once the primary and secondary effects are over. This may continue even if sulphur is given, which will then produce its own primary effect. However, the state of the patient will now be Sulphur, assuming they are sensitive enough to react to it all.
This is where using multiple remedies falls down. It undercuts an important aspect of our philosophy - the principle of totality which encompasses the idea of both a single disease and a single remedy.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
TO SIMONE 717 see the case of urticaia[ptappeta]--nawazkhan case,simone u thinks who have taking case hours and hours that doctor will be great,this is wrong,i am qualified,40 years experience in clinical practice, i know organon,repertory,materia medica----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------regards,dr.alex
dr.alex last decade
i noted is most of the medicine which has multiple remedies combined has all components in lower potencies like 6X.
otherwise many times for single remedy , homeopaths recommend at least 30C or 200C.
any reasons for the this?
otherwise many times for single remedy , homeopaths recommend at least 30C or 200C.
any reasons for the this?
hporwal last decade
Because the higher the potency the more precise the prescription need to be for it to work. Low potencies will act on broad general symptoms, which also means they are more suitable for palliating rather than curing.
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Hi David,
maybe you can look at post Psoriasis
thread-344499- Dr. Nidhi wants
to talk with someone about his case.
maybe you can look at post Psoriasis
thread-344499- Dr. Nidhi wants
to talk with someone about his case.
♡ simone717 last decade
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