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A friend confided in me that she just got diagnosed with HPV from a recent PAP smear. She has had no symptoms, except a slight change in her discharge, so she was shocked to get the news.

She is so angry because she knows she got it from her ex-husband, whom she went back and slept with just one time after they had split up.

She is especially angry and indignant because when she confronted him, he admitted he already knew he had it but was too cowardly to call and tell her.

She knows I use homeopathy and asked if there was something she could take for it. I know thuja is often prescribed for HPV but it seems to me that she needs Staphysagria because of her anger about it.

I wonder if her state of anger about the divorce is what made her susceptible to getting the HPV in the first place.

Anyway, any advice on potency would be helpful.

Thanks,
ruth
[message edited by ruth45 on Mon, 04 Mar 2013 21:28:53 GMT]
 
  ruth45 on 2012-06-21
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
That is not enough reason to give Staphysagria. Anger is far too broad a symptom, and is covered by every remedy in our materia medica. Of course she is angry, that is completely understandable and not an uncommon reaction at all. It is not a disease symptom.

Each remedy has a very specific picture. You have not given anywhere near enough information to know what remedy would actually help her. The whole case needs to be taken properly. Homoeopathy is not a 'this for that' medicine. Cure will only happen when the entire complex of her disease is mapped out and matched to a remedy.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Ruth,
She can certainly use homeopathy to increase her
vital force, which then expels disease.

However, I have relatives and friends who have ended
HPV by working with a naturopath, did not even see
naturopath in person but got a prescription and ordered
from naturopath pharmacy- of vaginal suppositories
of vitamin c ( they melt and kill HPV on contact)
Also had a specific vitamin prescription- This was over
15 years ago and the HPV was gone in 2 months and
has never come back. Their obgyn's were dumbfounded.

Google national associations of Naturopaths and talk
to them bc they have updated this treatment.
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:56:10 BST]
 
simone717 last decade
In reply to brisbanehomeopath: So her state of anger is typical for the situation and not relevant to finding a remedy? Is that what you said? Really? Cause I'm thinking there are a variety of emotional states that a woman could express in this situation.

She could have anxiety about her health: Oh no, something is wrong with my body! I have something infecting my body! I am going to get cervical c___! I could die from this!

Or she could have self-recrimination and regret: I shouldn't have done it. I shouldn't have slept with him. I'm so stupid for sleeping with him. I should have known better.

Or she could be emotional and very weepy: OH WHY, why why, did this happen to me???? (Sob, sob, sob. Dramatic sigh.)

Right? Aren't emotional states a leading way to prescribe a remedy? Cause if you learned homeopathy another way, I'd like to know about it.

My perception was that her state of anger and INDIGNATION (Staphysagria is BOLD for Indignation in the repertory, right?)is not necessarily healthy and a remedy would help clear that and get her to a healthier state of mind so her body could better fight the virus.

I wasn't trying to cure the HPV but first of all to get her past the anger and indignation state she was in so she wouldn't remain stuck there.

Of course I would encourage her to seek professional help for the HPV. She probably won't do it though.

And seriously, speaking as someone who has spent thousands of dollars on six different professional homeopaths over the last 28 years seeking help for the five members of my immediate family, it is hit or miss in finding the right remedy.

And in my opinion,(based on 28 years of experience!), sometimes 'this for that' works about as well as a thorough, 'properly taken' case. Years ago I took my daughter to a professional homeopath who spent 3 hours with her for the initial casetaking and then took four months - FOUR MONTHS! - to study the case and decide on her constitutional remedy and sadly, no, it wasn't right. It didn't do a thing for her and we gave it lots of time and a lot of repetitions, all to no avail.

And another homeopath was responsible for wondrous, marvelous, miraculous improvement in one daughter's health and completely bombed on finding another daughter's remedy.

Hit or miss. Hit or miss. Even in the best of circumstances, it's only partially about skill and knowledge of homeopathy in taking the case and something else like luck or intuition or who knows what forces are at work?

'Cure will only happen when the entire complex of her disease is mapped out and matched to a remedy.'

WHAT?????? Cure will only happen when the right remedy is given. How one arrives at the right remedy could take hours or could take seconds to decide. It could be based on pages of symptoms or it could be based on a single moment of recognition.

I'm not a professional homeopath, but that much I know.

ruth
 
ruth45 last decade
Ruth, based on what you said, you might want to go
to Minimum books and click on Andre Saine, the
head of the Canadian Homeopathic Assoc. and a homeopath who has cured MS. If you click on his MS
papers and see the violet line of interview with Author-
you might find it interesting , his efforts to make things
more scientific and verifiable. There are many schools
of thought in homeopathy now which makes it very
confusing as to results and how a person is actually
practicing.
 
simone717 last decade
Yes it is very typical to see people displaying this kind of anger and indignation when they catch an STD from someone else, especially if they trusted them. This would be considered a common and expected reaction in homoeopathy (therefore it does not point to a remedy).

The emotional state is just one part of the whole state, and like every other symptom we use to find a remedy it must be peculiar not common.It is not more important. The only thing that is ever important is peculiarity. So when using emotional and mentals, you must be able to discern what is typical and expected. This can actually make use of mentals quite tricky. It is just like with physical symptoms, where the common symptoms of the disease, or of illness generally, do not help us to prescribe, and it requires a good understanding of the human physiology (or mind/heart).

I taught homoeopathic materia medica and philosophy for 7 years, and most of the first year students all came in with the same misconception - that the emotional state is to be used even if it is not peculiar. This is not true, many emotions are common and ordinary and do not help us in prescribing. The symptom must be peculiar, unexpected, strange to be of any value. Otherwise you can get lost in a kind of semi-psychology/counselling approach.

If her Indignation is in proportion to the event, then no, it is not necessarily going to show the remedy. People naturally feel indignation in certain situations, it is not a disease. A disease is where the normal healthy functioning is distorted in some way. So Staphysagria feels slighted where there is no slight, feels indignant when people are polite to them, feels angry over the tiniest thing and explodes like a volcano. It is a state that is completely out of proportion to the situation that caused it, or may happen without any situation at all to explain it (a particularly peculiar thing and a very good indication for a remedy). Staph is all about control and suppression of their feelings, or loss of control and failure to suppress.

Being in bold in the repertory does not make the remedy more indicated for a specific person. In fact the repertory being set up in such a way, while being useful for experienced practitioners (to remind us), actually distracts and misleads students and lay persons. It makes it appear as if it is the 'main' remedy for the problem, and people will give it out without considering the rest of the case and the other remedies in the rubric. Anger and Indignation actually has 34 remedies in it, so it is prudent not to put the others out of sight. Since remedies can produce side effects, and sometimes serious ones, you want to make the choice as precise as you can.

It is NOT hit and miss finding the right remedy. I don't know what kind of practitioners you have been to, but I make the right choice of remedy in the first consultation about 40% of the time, with the hit rate going up over the next few sessions for other patients, till I hit about 70-80%. The remaining clients I will be unable to help for a variety of reasons. Hit and miss is usually the opinion of customers who have seen poorly trained/skilled homoeopaths. We haven't spent 200 years refining our system of medicine for it to be completely random. Nobody would make a profession out of homoeopathy that way, and there are many sucessful classical homoeopaths in the world. I have spent 20 years continuously working as a homoeopath, which could not have happened if I was just guessing.

You are obviously frustrated with homoeopathy and I can understand that. The world is full of charlatans and psuedohomoeopaths, and it is difficult at times to find your way to the genuine homoeopaths. Those people, when you find them are a treasure and should be held on to. This has mainly arisen because most governments don't care enough to regulate the industry properly, and don't understand homoeopathy enough to do it correctly. So the training is inconsistent even within one country, making the real hit and miss finding someone who has the skill to use homoeopathy with confidence and success.

Cure can only happen when the right remedy is given, but unless you use the totality of the case to find that remedy, then there will only be cure by accident. There is a lot that goes into management of a case - being sure of that remedy is one of the most important things. If you have given it 'off the cuff' based on intuition, there is no confidence in it. When the aggravations or healing crises start, without knowing you have made the best selection it is easy to abandon and change remedies.

That isn't too say I don't do those kind of quick prescriptions as well. When I work in First Aid tents at events, or at homeless shelters, you often have too many people and no time to take the care that should be taken. You can get results that way - either by knowing exactly the first aid remedies and their indications, OR being able to pick out the peculiar symptoms fast.

Is this daughter you mention, whose case took 4 months for the homoeopath to decide on, the same one that the other homoeopath bombed with?
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Sat, 23 Jun 2012 01:56:59 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Hi David,
Thanks for writing that- I am confused
now. What about questions people ask
like what do you do when angry?

People say they throw things, they yell,
they say nothing and go away, they go
to bed and put the covers over their head, etc, they go eat food, etc-
I thought the responses to being angry
gave you a clue to add into remedy
selection? And of course there are a LOT
of ways to respond to being angry
that one would say , are not these normal human responses?
 
simone717 last decade
Reaction to anger is a concomitant symptom, and can definitely be important when selecting a remedy. However you must always guage whether or not the reaction is out of proportion for the situation, whether the patient is stuck in the pattern of repeating the behaviour even when not appropriate.

We ask lots of questions in clinic - it is just to get responses, not necessarily because we are looking for an answer or even think one will be found there. When people do 'Menu' homoeopathy (go down a list and ask about things) they can very often miss the crux of the case, because they are mistakenly looking in specific places rather than in the places the patient is directing them to.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Thanks-Please tell me a good book
to read or books- about what you
have written here about this.
Very informative- I appreciate your
'teaching' on here.
 
simone717 last decade
Sankaran's Spirit of Homoeopathy is best.

This is really my teaching, so no books available.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade

[message deleted by simone717 on Sun, 24 Jun 2012 18:07:05 BST]
 
simone717 last decade
Reply to brisbanehomeopath:

Yes, it is the same daughter. When she was young I took her to homeopaths and gave them lots of information about her and never got the right constitutional remedy. Then when she got older I decided I must be the problem so she did the interviews entirely by herself for the last two attempts and sadly, No, no better results.

Yes I am frustrated but they were all excellent, well-intentioned professionals. They were all classical homeopaths with years and years of experience. Well, one was a relatively recent graduate of homeopathy school, but like I said, they were all classical homeopaths.

My biggest regret is that I jumped around and didn't stay with one, but if you knew the history, there were excellent reasons why the relationships had to end.

The last two were strictly because of the lack of results. My problem is that I don't have enough money to continue to pay the fees when there are no results. And it's not just a waste of money, it's a waste of time. To devote months and months to something and to see no results... It is very frustrating and discouraging.

I still believe in homeopathy though. Just gotta keep looking for the right homeopath!

ruth
 
ruth45 last decade
Then your daughter's case is one of those difficult ones we all encounter. What might be better is to find a homoeopath with a different approach - perhaps find a Sensation prescriber for example. If the standard method isn't working then there is some kind of obstacle to cure there that needs to be identified and removed. Isopathic prescribing might be called for. Homoeopathic dream therapy. While obviously the right remedy has not been found, perhaps the way people are trying to find it is the problem. Your daughter may not be responsive to that kind of case taking. You need someone who is flexible, intelligent, and not afraid to try something a little different (without being totally crazy lol). It might even be that 'constitutional' prescribing may not be what she needs, but a kind of 'layers' approach.

Generally speaking, I always offer my patients free treatment if they see no results after the 3rd prescription. Perhaps that can be negotiated too so you can allow them more time to sort out whatever is causing this blockage.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Yes I believe the right homeopath is out there and will have the insight to see what needs to be seen to find the right remedy. I just wish I knew how to find the right one without going through anymore trial and error!

Thanks for all your help and advice though. It is very kind of you to devote so much of your time to helping people on this website.

ruth
 
ruth45 last decade
Well I think there are questions you can put to the homoeopath to help you ascertain how likely they are to be helpful to you. When you find a new one call out to me again and we can devise those questions and I can help you judge the answers.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade

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