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I believe that homeopathy could easily prove itelf to skeptics, all they have to do is get some classical homeopaths, scientists, media, patients with acute symptoms, and put them under lock and key in undisclosed location for several days, and do what science is supposed to do, watch and learn.
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saltOftheEarth last decade
To Doctor:
I totally agree with you. It is the most bitter truth about medical science, which has discovered many life systems on basis of calulated and scientific measurements, as well as they have secured the interests, specially of phamaciutical tycones, whose business is in billions, for which they commpled all other theropies which are not parallel to their interest. A simple example is Stevia (a safe and natural sweetner) which is banned by FDA in USA and all other countries which are under socio-economical influences of said authorities directly or inderectly. However, FDA approves other chemical sweetners even with certain and uncertain side effects.
This commplession of therapies will never end.
I totally agree with you. It is the most bitter truth about medical science, which has discovered many life systems on basis of calulated and scientific measurements, as well as they have secured the interests, specially of phamaciutical tycones, whose business is in billions, for which they commpled all other theropies which are not parallel to their interest. A simple example is Stevia (a safe and natural sweetner) which is banned by FDA in USA and all other countries which are under socio-economical influences of said authorities directly or inderectly. However, FDA approves other chemical sweetners even with certain and uncertain side effects.
This commplession of therapies will never end.
zeek2005 last decade
Joe de Livera
Please find below my rejoinder, that I have asked for insertion under:'Write an opinion" on the site:www.medicalnewstoday.com/index.php?newsid=29719, to the Lancet article. If you think it is o.k.,please advise me how and where all to send it.
Many homeopaths are surprised to learn the result of trials on homeopathic medicines, published by Lancet, which show that homeopathic medicines are no better than placebo. In fact, it should be expected when such trials are conducted by people on allopathic lines.
In allopathy, the physician diagnoses the disease, prescribes the medicine, and the medicine is administered as per laid down procedure. Unless it is an emergency, the physician inter-acts with the patient only periodically because he has prescribed for a particular disease and its prognosis is, more or less, known to him. In homeopathy, this third stage, "administration of medicine", is extremely flexible, and necessarily elaborate and tedious and demands much more inter-action between the patient and the physician.
The homeopath prescribes a single remedy on the basis of totality of symptoms which, as it keeps on changing, either for better or worse, necessitates re-study of the case and change of medicine, because in homeopathy only one medicine is prescribed at a time to cover as many symptoms as possible. In allopathy a medicine is given for every important symptom and the prescription is a list of medicines. All that the physician has to do during his periodic visits, is to only change, drop or add those medicines that pertain to the relevant altered, non-existent or new symptoms. The basic medicines, which are "name of the disease" based, generally remain the core of the prescription.
Having said that, I would like to know whether the following basic rules of administration of medicine, as laid down in the Organon (bible of homeopathy), for acute cases, were included in the clinical protocol and followed during trials or not? :-
(a) Take one or two globules/pills in an ounce of distilled water, shake it vigorously at least 10 times and use one tea spoonful as a dose.
(b) Give subsequent doses only after the improvement from the previous dose has started wearring off. If you do not have patience at this stage, the whole exercise will become counter-productive, something like attaching another engine of the same power to a running train, both engines at full power, and thereby derailing the rolling stock which is not designed for it.
(c) Before giving a dose, shake the remaining mixture at least 10 times, as before. By this, the mixture becomes raised in potency and the next dose gets an edge over the previous one in potency. This avoids repetition of the same potency several times, otherwise the improvement curve will be flat rather than ascending and, if continued for sometime, it will become counter-productive.
(d) If new symptoms come up, another single remedy is to be selected to match the new symptom pattern.
(e) If some significant symptoms disappear, another single medicine is to be given to match the new symptom pattern. This opportunity should be availed to cover left out symptoms, which could not be accommodated earlier due to limitations of the earlier remedy.
(f) Do not put strong smelling things, e.g. tooth paste, raw onions/garlic, pepper-mint, strong coffee/tea, hard spices etc. in the mouth one hour before and after taking the medicine, unless urgency compels, in which case avoid such things during treatment.
If the answers to some or all of the above points are in negative, the trials may be done again, preferably with a detailed protocol written by one who understands the Organon, i.e. a qualifed homeopathic practitioner. A detailed study with special emphasis on protocol compliance should be subsequently published.
I would like to repeat the age-old saying, You can fool a person all the time, you can fool all people one time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. Can we shut our eyes to the use of homeopathic remedies for about two centuries, their production on such a large scale in almost every big country, distribution all over and there being so many homeopathic medical colleges, hospitals and doctors all over the World? Is it all thriving on placebo? Are homeopaths magicians that when they touch the placebo it becomes the remedy of their choice and when others dispense it, it remains placebo?
All therapies have their utility. Let no therapy claim, What we do not know is not worth knowing. We all know that, due to circumstances, allopathy is the eldest brother. But there are areas where the younger brothers do better. We have to accept this fact.
The author has treated people including allopathic doctors/ their families (secretly due to obvious reasons) faster as compared to allopathy and with least inconvenience to the patients for various ailments e.g.(1) mothers milk not digested (2) baby throwing milk soon after feed (3) babys serious health upset during teeth cutting (4) chronic stye on margin of eye lid (5) blunt injury on bone, slow adhesion of fractured ends of bones (6) rectum fissure (7) planter tendonitis (8) ganglion on the back of wrist (8) nose bleeding suddenly (9) bleeding hemorrhoids (10) varicose veins (11) after effects of burns (11) syncope, on self (12) sciatica (13) hemicrania etc. etc. as a hobbyist for 38 years, though engineer by formal education. The proof of the pudding is in eating!
would appreciate if Lancet would consider publishing this article as a rejoinder.
Please find below my rejoinder, that I have asked for insertion under:'Write an opinion" on the site:www.medicalnewstoday.com/index.php?newsid=29719, to the Lancet article. If you think it is o.k.,please advise me how and where all to send it.
Many homeopaths are surprised to learn the result of trials on homeopathic medicines, published by Lancet, which show that homeopathic medicines are no better than placebo. In fact, it should be expected when such trials are conducted by people on allopathic lines.
In allopathy, the physician diagnoses the disease, prescribes the medicine, and the medicine is administered as per laid down procedure. Unless it is an emergency, the physician inter-acts with the patient only periodically because he has prescribed for a particular disease and its prognosis is, more or less, known to him. In homeopathy, this third stage, "administration of medicine", is extremely flexible, and necessarily elaborate and tedious and demands much more inter-action between the patient and the physician.
The homeopath prescribes a single remedy on the basis of totality of symptoms which, as it keeps on changing, either for better or worse, necessitates re-study of the case and change of medicine, because in homeopathy only one medicine is prescribed at a time to cover as many symptoms as possible. In allopathy a medicine is given for every important symptom and the prescription is a list of medicines. All that the physician has to do during his periodic visits, is to only change, drop or add those medicines that pertain to the relevant altered, non-existent or new symptoms. The basic medicines, which are "name of the disease" based, generally remain the core of the prescription.
Having said that, I would like to know whether the following basic rules of administration of medicine, as laid down in the Organon (bible of homeopathy), for acute cases, were included in the clinical protocol and followed during trials or not? :-
(a) Take one or two globules/pills in an ounce of distilled water, shake it vigorously at least 10 times and use one tea spoonful as a dose.
(b) Give subsequent doses only after the improvement from the previous dose has started wearring off. If you do not have patience at this stage, the whole exercise will become counter-productive, something like attaching another engine of the same power to a running train, both engines at full power, and thereby derailing the rolling stock which is not designed for it.
(c) Before giving a dose, shake the remaining mixture at least 10 times, as before. By this, the mixture becomes raised in potency and the next dose gets an edge over the previous one in potency. This avoids repetition of the same potency several times, otherwise the improvement curve will be flat rather than ascending and, if continued for sometime, it will become counter-productive.
(d) If new symptoms come up, another single remedy is to be selected to match the new symptom pattern.
(e) If some significant symptoms disappear, another single medicine is to be given to match the new symptom pattern. This opportunity should be availed to cover left out symptoms, which could not be accommodated earlier due to limitations of the earlier remedy.
(f) Do not put strong smelling things, e.g. tooth paste, raw onions/garlic, pepper-mint, strong coffee/tea, hard spices etc. in the mouth one hour before and after taking the medicine, unless urgency compels, in which case avoid such things during treatment.
If the answers to some or all of the above points are in negative, the trials may be done again, preferably with a detailed protocol written by one who understands the Organon, i.e. a qualifed homeopathic practitioner. A detailed study with special emphasis on protocol compliance should be subsequently published.
I would like to repeat the age-old saying, You can fool a person all the time, you can fool all people one time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time. Can we shut our eyes to the use of homeopathic remedies for about two centuries, their production on such a large scale in almost every big country, distribution all over and there being so many homeopathic medical colleges, hospitals and doctors all over the World? Is it all thriving on placebo? Are homeopaths magicians that when they touch the placebo it becomes the remedy of their choice and when others dispense it, it remains placebo?
All therapies have their utility. Let no therapy claim, What we do not know is not worth knowing. We all know that, due to circumstances, allopathy is the eldest brother. But there are areas where the younger brothers do better. We have to accept this fact.
The author has treated people including allopathic doctors/ their families (secretly due to obvious reasons) faster as compared to allopathy and with least inconvenience to the patients for various ailments e.g.(1) mothers milk not digested (2) baby throwing milk soon after feed (3) babys serious health upset during teeth cutting (4) chronic stye on margin of eye lid (5) blunt injury on bone, slow adhesion of fractured ends of bones (6) rectum fissure (7) planter tendonitis (8) ganglion on the back of wrist (8) nose bleeding suddenly (9) bleeding hemorrhoids (10) varicose veins (11) after effects of burns (11) syncope, on self (12) sciatica (13) hemicrania etc. etc. as a hobbyist for 38 years, though engineer by formal education. The proof of the pudding is in eating!
would appreciate if Lancet would consider publishing this article as a rejoinder.
sahai last decade
Dear Sahai,
I am flattered that you have asked for my opinion on your article which you wish to send as a rejoinder to the Lancet article.
I would recommend that you do so ASAP and hope that the editor of the Lancet will read it.
He has succeeded in opening up the debate which is now worldwide on Homeopathy versus Allopathy, and it is just this type of boost that Homeopathy needs to increase the interest of general public to the efficacy of Homeopathy which has the potential of doing so much to alleviate human suffering in the correct hands.
I am flattered that you have asked for my opinion on your article which you wish to send as a rejoinder to the Lancet article.
I would recommend that you do so ASAP and hope that the editor of the Lancet will read it.
He has succeeded in opening up the debate which is now worldwide on Homeopathy versus Allopathy, and it is just this type of boost that Homeopathy needs to increase the interest of general public to the efficacy of Homeopathy which has the potential of doing so much to alleviate human suffering in the correct hands.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
How to send it to Lancet? Advise or better you do it on my behalf. Make a small correction: Just add I before would in the last sentence.
sahai last decade
The above article has been published at the site
But I want to know how to send it to Lancet. Can anybody help and suggest other suitable journals? Thanks.
But I want to know how to send it to Lancet. Can anybody help and suggest other suitable journals? Thanks.
sahai last decade
I apologise for giving wrong site in the posting above. Correct site is:www.medicalnewstoday.com/youropinions.php?opinionid=6800
sahai last decade
Lancet have published the article. Please go to: www.The Lancet.com Then click on "journal", then"your comments" then "The end of Homeopathy 21 comments", it is on page3.
sahai last decade
From: ABC Homeopathy To: Krishna Sahai
Subject: Re: in defence of homeopathy
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:54:30 +0100 (BST)
Reading the comments (in The Lancet.com), there is a general thrust that the article was rather biased, which is not coming from members of our forum, but the medical community at large, which is very positive.
Simon (moderator)
Subject: Re: in defence of homeopathy
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:54:30 +0100 (BST)
Reading the comments (in The Lancet.com), there is a general thrust that the article was rather biased, which is not coming from members of our forum, but the medical community at large, which is very positive.
Simon (moderator)
sahai last decade
Can you please indicate the link to this article on Lancet as I have not been able to access it so far ?
Joe
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
TheLancet.com -> Journals -> your comments ->view commented articles for the last [3] days -> The end of homeopathy 21 comments -> page 3,1st.article.
sahai last decade
Hi all,
Sahai, tanks for stepping in. Joe, sorry for not answering you directly; I blame the time zones...
P.s. to Sahai's post, you need to register with the Lancet to be able to read the comments.
Yes, my view of the comments was that either the people who wrote them were fervently against homeopathy anyway, but among those who were less dogmatic, there was a lot of feeling that the article was bad science.
Sahai, tanks for stepping in. Joe, sorry for not answering you directly; I blame the time zones...
P.s. to Sahai's post, you need to register with the Lancet to be able to read the comments.
Yes, my view of the comments was that either the people who wrote them were fervently against homeopathy anyway, but among those who were less dogmatic, there was a lot of feeling that the article was bad science.
♡ moderator last decade
Dear Mr Sahai ,
I have gone throrough the entire conversation on the subjject which is quite interesting.
QUOTE
(a) Take one or two globules/pills in an ounce of distilled water, shake it vigorously at least 10 times and use one tea spoonful as a dose.
(b) Give subsequent doses only after the improvement from the previous dose has started wearring off. If you do not have patience at this stage, the whole exercise will become counter-productive, something like attaching another engine of the same power to a running train, both engines at full power, and thereby derailing the rolling stock which is not designed for it.
(c) Before giving a dose, shake the remaining mixture at least 10 times, as before. By this, the mixture becomes raised in potency and the next dose gets an edge over the previous one in potency. This avoids repetition of the same potency several times, otherwise the improvement curve will be flat rather than ascending and, if continued for sometime, it will become counter-productive.
(d) If new symptoms come up, another single remedy is to be selected to match the new symptom pattern.
(e) If some significant symptoms disappear, another single medicine is to be given to match the new symptom pattern. This opportunity should be availed to cover left out symptoms, which could not be accommodated earlier due to limitations of the earlier remedy.
(f) Do not put strong smelling things, e.g. tooth paste, raw onions/garlic, pepper-mint, strong coffee/tea, hard spices etc. in the mouth one hour before and after taking the medicine, unless urgency compels, in which case avoid such things during treatment.
UNQUOTE
Thanks for your reply
Regards
Venkat
I have gone throrough the entire conversation on the subjject which is quite interesting.
QUOTE
(a) Take one or two globules/pills in an ounce of distilled water, shake it vigorously at least 10 times and use one tea spoonful as a dose.
(b) Give subsequent doses only after the improvement from the previous dose has started wearring off. If you do not have patience at this stage, the whole exercise will become counter-productive, something like attaching another engine of the same power to a running train, both engines at full power, and thereby derailing the rolling stock which is not designed for it.
(c) Before giving a dose, shake the remaining mixture at least 10 times, as before. By this, the mixture becomes raised in potency and the next dose gets an edge over the previous one in potency. This avoids repetition of the same potency several times, otherwise the improvement curve will be flat rather than ascending and, if continued for sometime, it will become counter-productive.
(d) If new symptoms come up, another single remedy is to be selected to match the new symptom pattern.
(e) If some significant symptoms disappear, another single medicine is to be given to match the new symptom pattern. This opportunity should be availed to cover left out symptoms, which could not be accommodated earlier due to limitations of the earlier remedy.
(f) Do not put strong smelling things, e.g. tooth paste, raw onions/garlic, pepper-mint, strong coffee/tea, hard spices etc. in the mouth one hour before and after taking the medicine, unless urgency compels, in which case avoid such things during treatment.
UNQUOTE
Thanks for your reply
Regards
Venkat
realvirgo last decade
The following, very well written, article has just been sent to me as an answer to the charges made in the Lancet articles:
http://www.medscimonit.com/pub/vol_11/no_12/8209.pdf
http://www.medscimonit.com/pub/vol_11/no_12/8209.pdf
♡ moderator last decade
Dear All Homeopaths,
Every body is trying to prove that homeopathy works.But avoiding to answers questions like"can homeopathy cure tuberculosis?"
I think homeopaths are shying away to answers such questions.So such attitudes of homeopaths really put homeopathy in big questions.
Every body is trying to prove that homeopathy works.But avoiding to answers questions like"can homeopathy cure tuberculosis?"
I think homeopaths are shying away to answers such questions.So such attitudes of homeopaths really put homeopathy in big questions.
rajboms last decade
I don't think there is much point in worrying about whether it works or not in some peoples minds, some you just can't get through to. The people who use it know it works, that is all that matters. And apparently there is plenty of research that proves it does, so just don't worry about it,
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saltOftheEarth last decade
Dear Rajboms,
Can you tell me if allopathy can cure 'psoriasis'. I know your answer. So, should we put allopathy in question. Think rationally. Every therapy has some limitations and we should acept it.
doctor
Can you tell me if allopathy can cure 'psoriasis'. I know your answer. So, should we put allopathy in question. Think rationally. Every therapy has some limitations and we should acept it.
doctor
doctor last decade
alangail1 last decade
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