autism, asthma, temporal lope epilepsy. _{Page 2 of 6}

ok, thank you. we odered the UDO's Super 5. Does UDO's make a magneisum supplement?

Fish oil is fine, as eating fish is. (however fish seems nott to be healthy anymore as they found some toxins there too!)like mercury in some tunas!
mmr vac is often a culprit too-esp in gastro-intest. problems like IBS, Crohn (I read Jordan Rubin's "Patient heal thyself")
Anyway-it happens all too often that vac. cause such problems to be coincidental.

Dpt in potency is a homeopathic drug that is made from dpt vaccine without bacteria (accellular=without bacterial cells)- like other homeopathic drugs are made from plants, minerals etc.
and nobody really knows how exactly homeopathy works (that's why there is so much confusion about it esp about antidoting remedies by food or drink). dpt in potency, thuja (hmm..., these warts)or silica are indicated to treat chronic effects of dpt vaccinations (that's why I completely do not understand John's problem).

would he do some "exercises"?
I think his gait would be better if he strenghtened his tiptoeing side and strived for symmetry like in:
lie on your back, palms down;
bend knees and lift hips (so the flor is touched by soles of you feet, hands, shoulders, head) you may add to this lifting legs etc
so he would be on BOTH feet.

Isopathy would be taking the dpt vaccine that he had and making it into a homeopatthic remedy.

dpt in potency is a homeopathic medicine that is made from whatever is used in preparation of dpt vac except for bacteria.
It is a normal homeopathis remedy which have been proved on healthy individuals- like all homeopathic drugs. It is NOT isopathy!

there is no problem to understand---i explained the problem with using exacts not similars--the difference between iso-pathy and homoeo-pathy in response----isopathy is a watered version of vaccination theory--to remove a "taint' established by vaccination with exact dynamic version --this is not homoeopathic principles...

why you recommend DPT in potency? what is your basis?

do you observe DPT symptomology in this case (at hand) here?

he doesn't enjoy exercise, but we are excerising him. The exercise you just described, we haven't done that. We will add that into are program. We started crainol therapy. We did this when he was younger, but he was a very sick baby back then. Now, he is pretty healthy, just the development delay that needs to be worked on even more so.

I would like to add to your theory on fish oil. Correct on mercury. When it comes to oil, lead surfaces to the top. After the process of fish oil, I doubt that lead would be in the product. If it was in the product, we would see it.

We all like stories; could tell me about people who used this DPT acceluar. I have no fear to use it- i understand the homeopathic theroy.

Cocerning the warts. Thuja is used for treating warts. 6c every tweleve hours up to three weeks. He is a little aggrevated today.

isopthy-tautopthy---you risk creating more sensitiveness --this you must be aware of...as is treating arsenic poisoning with arsenic in potency--NOT ADVISABLE..

John what you are saying does make sense. What is your advise. OR what would you do in my case???? What remedy??
Thuja for warts, is not correct? Don't leave me hanging.

What you explained about vaccnination; A conventional dr. told me the same thing, and told me that is why my son wouldn't react. Of course, that was wrong.

I also,had a rogam shot during the pregnancy. My blood type is A negative. That shot also contains mercury.

John-read dr. Murphy's materia medica on dpt remedy-it's all in there.
it's definitely a homeopathic drug - I do not understand why do you question this.

sorry, have to go now.

if astro is taking case ,then he need decide course of action---my intent here is to inform of implications when prescribing---if symptomology is characteristic of DPT symptoms then good possibility can be used as long as not caused by DPT...no remedy is homoeopathic unless it is similar to disease in symptomology not exact....

my advice is stop thuja 6c---allow astro time and see what he prescribes--this is his case...and IF he decides not to follow through ,then i will get thoroughly envolved---at this point there is only a mis-understanding concerning homoeopathic principles --i do not wish to make this a moral issue...

Ok. Astra adviced DPT acceular to start with. John didn't agree. I think this is a great forum. Opinions are a good thing. A second opinion has no harm. Advice is good. I would like to follow through on this, and hopefully others will be educated.

I have read most of the forums on autism on this website. Most leave you hanging. Lets keep this going....

ok---reacessment after following astra's suggestion--decide course of action at that point..

Dpt acc. has not been ordered yet. Our Homepathic Pharmacy here has never heard of it. I will have to order it on the net. With the holidays coming up, I hesitated on aggervating him even more so.

He is jerking his head to the side a lot lately. Convetional thinks it is temporal lope. His eeg is normal. Suggestions on this?? Root on causing this. DPT reaction OR bacterial. Therory on mercury: Mercury in the 1800's was used to make hates. Result, it made the people making the hats go mad..that is why they were called the mad hatters. So, I still think it is mercury amongest other perservatives in the immuniations.

I meant HATS not hates..:o(

I'm a woman (wearing size small BUT not a gentle, yielding soul).
Just to clear things up.

So that's why there is mad hatter in "Alice in Wonderland"!!!

Concerning your dosage with thuja- according to Hahnemann our vital force (and homeopathy acts through it) doesn't like when you repeat remedy in exactly the same potency. Although 6c is a low potency that can be given even 3 times a day for a month (if the symptoms call for it-if there is any reaction, good or bad, you have to stop the remedy) I wouldn't give it unchanged like that. In 5th ed. of "organon of the medical arts" Hahnemann describes the method of giving remedies in water-which I'd recommend you use with dpt-I was thinking about 9-10c for starters.
get some spring water in 5oo ml bottle like Evian-pour about 1/5 into a glass.
Drop one dose of the remedy to the bottle, succusse 40 times (pound against your other palm). And now you either pour about 1 teaspoon into an empty glass and he drinks that (strongest) or you pour it into a glass with water and mix gently(diluted=weaker) Some people are so sensitive that they require the second dilution glass (I never met such people).
He may take such a 9c remedy in water even 3 times a day for a month BUT
1.BEFORE EACH TIME YOU SUCCUSE THE BOTTLE 1-12 TIMES (1-weakest,12-strongest)
2. if there is ANY reaction stop the remedy, post (aggravations go away-however they are unpleasant and it is better to avoid them.Dis-similar aggravations-new symptoms, characteristic for the remedy not for the person means that the remedy is wrong; the main indication for the right remedy is the sense of well-being, more energy, better sleep )
3. you may increase gradually the number of teaspoons to 3 and even to 3 if no reaction
4. when it is about 1/5 or less left in the bottle add more pure water


However, the very first dose I recommend that he takes dry and waits about 24 hrs

Johm-the main goal-actually the ONLY goal -is to help this little boy. The more suggestions BL has the better-she makes the final decision anyway. Since you believe other remedy would be better by no means retreat now but make your suggestion. It would only be fair.

that is in deed the main goal...but good for you to follow up on your prescription/advicve -good experience for you to do so..gives a feel for what works and doesn't...i am behind you--i will keep with case ;but allowing you to decide course of action until you give up---best way to learn is clinical approach--

Kind of sad when conventional Dr's and ND's were both confused with this little guy. We aren't going back. He hates doctors. I don't blame him. I still think some ND's are still not convenced on the theory of immunizations. Why is autism so huge now than 20 years go, and the disease is getting worse. The dpt or dpat reaction is not that same as it was 20 years ago. My heart knows it is the peservative. If DPT accel. relates to that, I will give it a try. The theroy here is what caused his symptoms. He has relatives on his fathers side that has exterme case of alzeimhers.and! children who were fine before immunizations react to them, and have some form of delay. My oldest daughter, was fine at two before I agreed with immunizations. withing weeks she developed asthma. I share this with many dr's and Nd's. It is always a dead end.

I ordered the Dpt accel. It should be here in one week. Still, I would like to know what we are treating here astra, just so I understand more what we are doing. Thank you much. I do appreciate you keeping in touch. I am very much against immunizations. It would be nice if you could tell me what DPT accel is and how it works. Thank you. :o) Do you know anyone this has been sucessful with..????

No - I never heard of anyone using it - but frankly I only read Amy Lansky book how her son was cured of autism with carcinosin Lm-pot. and that's all I heard about curing autism with homeopathy.


How homeopathic dpt works is exactly how other hom. rem. work-a scientific mystery -but of course every homeopath (and esp scientist like I am) has a theory on that: mine is that dynamized remedies form energetic blueprint for our vital force (=body energy) -vf varies among people and expresses its dearrangment as symptoms-which reacts to it by "smoothing" the bumps (=symptoms but it's all inb the energy field-)and arranging itself properly.
Since it is not quite a physical world it is hard to describe (as they say "if you can describe it this is not it")

What this particular remedy can do for you son? I don't know. Nobody does. The goal is a full cure. Acc. to materia medica this drug has been used to treat acute and chronic effect of dpt vaccine -but he doesn't relate any success stories-instead gives excerpts from Harry Coulter's book "dpt: a shot in the dark").
In the drug picture there is epilepsy and asthmatic breathing, but also blindness and brain damage.
I hope it will work.It's a long way, anyway: the rule of thumb is a month of healing for every year of chronic disease.

Selecting the remedy is only a begining of case management- which is most important and will be in YOUR hands mostly.

Post often.

BL-Did you stop thuja?

Although thuja is also listed in remedies for chronic ailments from dpt, and even in autism, there should be more indications for it than just warts. be sure he is not aggravated before giving him any remedy.

Does he sleep well or is restless (when sleeping)?
the jerk which has been aggravated (by thuja?)-does it stop when he is sleeping?

He sleeps great, and doesn't jerk in his sleep. He is better when he is sleeping.

he appears to be a healthy normal little boy, until you around him 5 minutes. His odd behavior would be jerking,giggling for no reasoin, playing with his hands, eye twiching, flapping one hand. and tip toeing on his right leg. His eye contact is ok, and better than before. HE eats will- his hand cordination has imporved.

HE has no brain damage at all. His mri's came back normal. he genetic testing came normal. chromosome 22 came back normal.

He sleeps great, and doesn't jerk in his sleep. He is better when he is sleeping.

he appears to be a healthy normal little boy, until you around him 5 minutes. His odd behavior would be jerking,giggling for no reasoin, playing with his hands, eye twiching, flapping one hand. and tip toeing on his right leg. His eye contact is ok, and better than before. HE eats will- his hand cordination has imporved.

HE has no brain damage at all. His mri's came back normal. he genetic testing came normal. chromosome 22 came back normal.

I wrote about the brain damage and blindness (knowing that he has neither one) as those horrible ailments can also be caused by vaccines.
so it could be much worse. sad thing is that it is actually REQUIRED.

But the idea behind immunizations is a valid one and vaccinations, like against polio, did a lot of good.Additives mess the whole thing.,

John-do you actually have another suggestion?

Thank you astra. I would like a second a opinion. Over the weekend I did a little more research and study on homeopathic. I lean more on agreeing with john and how he feels.

We are going to try undo' oils. Any other suggestions on supplements. How do you feel about vitamens. It seems to make him more hyper.