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Peculiar symptom - which remedy to chose?
I'm trying to find out the right remedy for my social anxiety. Perhaps this peculiar symptom might help you narrow it down: when Im in a public place such as the mall or in a line-up in the supermarket, Im usually anxious and my tongue keeps on moving involuntarily inside my mouth, left to right, up and down, in every direction. I try to chew gum when Im in public to prevent that. Does this symptom appear in any remedy picture?Anxious99 on 2008-09-24
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some more symptoms are required to zero in but you can look at lycopodium is it matches your generals.
♡ rishimba last decade
Well, it was through a peculiar symptom that I found my simillium but I still think that it shouldn't be the only reason on deciding to choose a remedy.
I didn't look too hard, but I found this rubric:
Gentry Repertory
Mouth - Motion; Tongue in constant motion
There's only one remedy under this rubric: Stramonium
I believe this motion of the tongue in this case would be more related to fright or shock.
I didn't look too hard, but I found this rubric:
Gentry Repertory
Mouth - Motion; Tongue in constant motion
There's only one remedy under this rubric: Stramonium
I believe this motion of the tongue in this case would be more related to fright or shock.
raphaeloliveira last decade
this is what kent has to say..
MOTION of the mouth as if talking (See Mind, Talks)
Tongue, difficult (See Protruded) : Aesc., anac., ars., bell., bufo., cadm., calc., carb-v., cic., colch., con., Hyos., kali-br., Lach., lyc., merc., mur-ac., mygal., nat-c., op., Phos., phys., puls., stram.
on account of crusty coat : Myric.
constant : Acon., clem., op., stram.
hanging out : Lach., sil.
lapping : Bufo.
to and fro : Cupr., hyos., lach., sulph.
pain, agg. : Aloe., ant-t., berb., chin., spig., sulph.
side to side : Hell., lach., lyc.
wanting, immovable : Ars-s-f., aur., carb-v., cic., con., op., phos., stram.
since the above movement of the tongue is related to anxiety, i suggested to look into lycopodium.
stram would not fit here.
MOTION of the mouth as if talking (See Mind, Talks)
Tongue, difficult (See Protruded) : Aesc., anac., ars., bell., bufo., cadm., calc., carb-v., cic., colch., con., Hyos., kali-br., Lach., lyc., merc., mur-ac., mygal., nat-c., op., Phos., phys., puls., stram.
on account of crusty coat : Myric.
constant : Acon., clem., op., stram.
hanging out : Lach., sil.
lapping : Bufo.
to and fro : Cupr., hyos., lach., sulph.
pain, agg. : Aloe., ant-t., berb., chin., spig., sulph.
side to side : Hell., lach., lyc.
wanting, immovable : Ars-s-f., aur., carb-v., cic., con., op., phos., stram.
since the above movement of the tongue is related to anxiety, i suggested to look into lycopodium.
stram would not fit here.
♡ rishimba last decade
raphal, the rubric chosen is not complete as the motion of the tongue is related to anxiety in public places. at other times, its not applicable.
its also not related to fright or shock, as has been interpreted by you.
its also not related to fright or shock, as has been interpreted by you.
♡ rishimba last decade
Yes, that rubric speaks for itself and I think it was clear that it's not related to anxiety at least initially, otherwise it would be something like:
Anxiety - With constant motion of tongue, involuntary.
Well, because it didn't mention anything but only 'Tongue in constant motion', I decided to check Hering materia medica, and I made my interpretation that it could be more related to fright or shock after I read this:
'A family had gone to bed, when suddenly from a room near sleeping chamber there came a crash awaking a 2-year-old boy out of sleep in affright ; cause of disturbance was the breaking of an oaken table leaf ; boy a blonde, light-haired child, with prominent forehead, lively and intelligent, was a considerable time in getting quieted and to sleep again ; on next day, parents observed that boy, who had formerly spoken with correctness, now stuttered, and that his tongue was in involuntary motion in different ways ; toward evening he appeared fearful and anxious, that some one was under bed ; the fearfulness disappeared in a few days, but stuttering and disordered movements of tongue continued, until relieved by Stramon. [30].'
I hope that the person who started this post understood that I was not indicating Stramonium, but only giving an example.
Anxiety - With constant motion of tongue, involuntary.
Well, because it didn't mention anything but only 'Tongue in constant motion', I decided to check Hering materia medica, and I made my interpretation that it could be more related to fright or shock after I read this:
'A family had gone to bed, when suddenly from a room near sleeping chamber there came a crash awaking a 2-year-old boy out of sleep in affright ; cause of disturbance was the breaking of an oaken table leaf ; boy a blonde, light-haired child, with prominent forehead, lively and intelligent, was a considerable time in getting quieted and to sleep again ; on next day, parents observed that boy, who had formerly spoken with correctness, now stuttered, and that his tongue was in involuntary motion in different ways ; toward evening he appeared fearful and anxious, that some one was under bed ; the fearfulness disappeared in a few days, but stuttering and disordered movements of tongue continued, until relieved by Stramon. [30].'
I hope that the person who started this post understood that I was not indicating Stramonium, but only giving an example.
raphaeloliveira last decade
Raphael and Rishimba, thank you for your help. I think Stramonium is a good idea because I also stutter, but it's mostly speech blocks, not repetitions. It's similar to what Professor Vithoulkas discusses in a Youtube video but not quite as exaggerated. I don't believe I do grimaces with my face when I have a speech block. Do you think I should give stramonium a try? I don't have fear of darkness though and I dont think Im violent but I do have a lot of repressed anger and thats what I believe is causing my social anxiety. Anyway, I like when Vithoulkas talks about two opposing forces when the speech block occurs because that's exactly how I feel. Ive had a lot of frights and emotional traumas in the past but they didnt directly cause my stuttering. Anyway, let me know what you guys think of the video, I'm not allowed to post a link here but if you go to Youtube and type 'vithoulkas stramonium' then the video will be the first one in the search results. He talks about stammering when the timer is 6:02
Anxious99 last decade
I watched the video you mentioned.
How frequent is your stuttering? And after the initial block do you get to deliver the whole sentence throughout without interrupting?
Whats your age, ethnicity and weight?
Have you tried any homeopathic before for your problem?
Please, if you can detail more your symptoms but not much from an analytical point of view, more from a patient's by giving examples and situations.
How frequent is your stuttering? And after the initial block do you get to deliver the whole sentence throughout without interrupting?
Whats your age, ethnicity and weight?
Have you tried any homeopathic before for your problem?
Please, if you can detail more your symptoms but not much from an analytical point of view, more from a patient's by giving examples and situations.
raphaeloliveira last decade
Raphael,
My stuttering is frequent. Its hard to tell how frequent it is because I try not to talk a lot in order to avoid speech blocks. Its also situational, it increases when I talk with authority figures. However, its mild compared to others stutterers.
Im not usually able to deliver the word Im blocking on unless I change its order in a sentence or use a substitute word. For example, if I want to say orange juice to the waiter and I feel Im going to block on the word orange I either say can I have juice, orange juice or Id order lemon juice instead or Id point it out on the menu.
However, what bothers me the most is when I get a block and I cant produce any voice at all, like Vithoulkas demonstrates in the video. The block is silent so for an outside observer it looks like Im either gathering my thoughts or that I had a seizure. Some people think Im weird because they dont know that I stutter so they wonder why I suddenly stopped talking. They dont see a speech struggle because its all hidden.
Its like an involuntary breath hold that I cant release which blocks my speech. For example, I could walk to the bus driver to ask him a question but the moment I attempt to speak I get this block and I look like a weirdo because Im standing there and cant say a word.
As to the rest of my symptoms, I am sensitive by nature (as are all stutterers). Im anxious, self-consious, find it hard to fall asleep. The bedroom has to be totally dark for me to fall asleep. I like ice cold water/juices/sodas. I have a lot of suppressed anger because of my childhood and the way my parents and peers treated me in the past.
Im 35, Caucasian, slim, 150 lbs.
I consulted with two classical homeopaths before and tried a couple of homeopathic remedies in the past but nothing worked.
My stuttering is frequent. Its hard to tell how frequent it is because I try not to talk a lot in order to avoid speech blocks. Its also situational, it increases when I talk with authority figures. However, its mild compared to others stutterers.
Im not usually able to deliver the word Im blocking on unless I change its order in a sentence or use a substitute word. For example, if I want to say orange juice to the waiter and I feel Im going to block on the word orange I either say can I have juice, orange juice or Id order lemon juice instead or Id point it out on the menu.
However, what bothers me the most is when I get a block and I cant produce any voice at all, like Vithoulkas demonstrates in the video. The block is silent so for an outside observer it looks like Im either gathering my thoughts or that I had a seizure. Some people think Im weird because they dont know that I stutter so they wonder why I suddenly stopped talking. They dont see a speech struggle because its all hidden.
Its like an involuntary breath hold that I cant release which blocks my speech. For example, I could walk to the bus driver to ask him a question but the moment I attempt to speak I get this block and I look like a weirdo because Im standing there and cant say a word.
As to the rest of my symptoms, I am sensitive by nature (as are all stutterers). Im anxious, self-consious, find it hard to fall asleep. The bedroom has to be totally dark for me to fall asleep. I like ice cold water/juices/sodas. I have a lot of suppressed anger because of my childhood and the way my parents and peers treated me in the past.
Im 35, Caucasian, slim, 150 lbs.
I consulted with two classical homeopaths before and tried a couple of homeopathic remedies in the past but nothing worked.
Anxious99 last decade
Its starting to become more clear now, it's better when you describe your problem without thinking of the knowledge of homeopathy that you already have. Try to use your own way and words to describe your problems instead of opinions on yourself based of what you've read in materia medicas (as if you were analyzing yourself).
Please, name all the remedies and potencies that you have ever tried, how much did you repeat them, and when was the last time you took a dose.
Please, name all the remedies and potencies that you have ever tried, how much did you repeat them, and when was the last time you took a dose.
raphaeloliveira last decade
I tried 200 C of Nat Mur, Nux Vomica, Carcinosin, Argentum Nit and Cuprum Metallicum in 2004-2005. Last week I tried 200 C of Causticum because, in addition to stuttering, my right eyelid droops slightly from time to time. Causticum had no effect whatsoever on the stuttering or the drooping.
Anxious99 last decade
I took just one dose of each of the remedies above. I also took Gelsemium 30C once last week and again yesterday but it didn't affect either the eyelid drooping or my anxiety.
Anxious99 last decade
It would be good if you stop taking anything for now.
Do you have any other symptoms at all?
How do you usually take the doses? Dry, wet, how many pellets?
Do you have any other symptoms at all?
How do you usually take the doses? Dry, wet, how many pellets?
raphaeloliveira last decade
raphaeloliveira last decade
Here are my answers:
Do you have any other symptoms at all?
Yes, I'm afraid to choke on water and fluids. When I attempt to drink any fluids I hesitate and my throat constricts and can only take small sips at a time. The irony is that I still choke from time to time and have to spit the fluid out, this is because my throat is so constricted. This started around age 22. People always ask me why I drink so slow.
How do you usually take the doses? Dry, wet, how many pellets?
In 2004-2005 I used to take just one pellet of each remedy but last week I took 4-5 pellets of Causticum as one dose.
What's your occupation?
I work in IT because I don't have to talk much.
How long ago did you start stammering? How long ago the tongue problem and the eyelid drooping?
I stuttered as a child but it was mainly repetitions and it never bothered me. But the speech blocks started around age 15 because of stress at school, I became more self-conscious of my speech. The eyelid drooping is congenital but sometimes it's more noticeable. As for the constant motion of my tongue under stress, I had it for a long time as well, probabaly since I was a teenager.
One more question: How do you react to music and noise?
I enjoy Alternative Rock music a lot but I hate jazz because it's monotonous. I also hate noises, it irritates me.
Do you have any other symptoms at all?
Yes, I'm afraid to choke on water and fluids. When I attempt to drink any fluids I hesitate and my throat constricts and can only take small sips at a time. The irony is that I still choke from time to time and have to spit the fluid out, this is because my throat is so constricted. This started around age 22. People always ask me why I drink so slow.
How do you usually take the doses? Dry, wet, how many pellets?
In 2004-2005 I used to take just one pellet of each remedy but last week I took 4-5 pellets of Causticum as one dose.
What's your occupation?
I work in IT because I don't have to talk much.
How long ago did you start stammering? How long ago the tongue problem and the eyelid drooping?
I stuttered as a child but it was mainly repetitions and it never bothered me. But the speech blocks started around age 15 because of stress at school, I became more self-conscious of my speech. The eyelid drooping is congenital but sometimes it's more noticeable. As for the constant motion of my tongue under stress, I had it for a long time as well, probabaly since I was a teenager.
One more question: How do you react to music and noise?
I enjoy Alternative Rock music a lot but I hate jazz because it's monotonous. I also hate noises, it irritates me.
Anxious99 last decade
Ok.
You can try one dose of Aconitum Napellus 1M.
- A dose is 5 pellets completely dissolved in very little water (about 15ml).
- Do not eat or drink 1 hour before or after the dose.
- Do not brush your teeth 3 hours before or after.
Please, do not repeat the remedy whatsoever. Take it and watch for any difference especially from your emotional/mental state on the following 3 days and post the result here.
You can try one dose of Aconitum Napellus 1M.
- A dose is 5 pellets completely dissolved in very little water (about 15ml).
- Do not eat or drink 1 hour before or after the dose.
- Do not brush your teeth 3 hours before or after.
Please, do not repeat the remedy whatsoever. Take it and watch for any difference especially from your emotional/mental state on the following 3 days and post the result here.
raphaeloliveira last decade
Thank you Raphael. May I ask how you came to the conculsion that Aconite is the right remedy for me? I was under the impression that it's an acute remedy and it's short acting.
Anxious99 last decade
I made that conclusion based on the totality of your symptoms and the essence of the case. I'm even considering the problem with your tongue, which this remedy covers along with stramonium and three others.
If your are still insecure to take it, you could first take one dose in 30C potency, but just in case if you decide to do that just let me know because that might change the way you would take the 1M after.
If your are still insecure to take it, you could first take one dose in 30C potency, but just in case if you decide to do that just let me know because that might change the way you would take the 1M after.
raphaeloliveira last decade
Thanks, Raphael. Is it okay to take Aconite in 200C? I doubt I'll feel anything from a 30C dose. Also, what percent of the totality of my symptoms does Aconite cover? What about Stramonium?
Anxious99 last decade
If the remedy is the simillimum then you should feel and see at least some minimal reaction even in 30C potency. I'd recommend 30C instead of 200C because the purpose here is only to see whether the remedy works or not, and you can expect a much faster response in 30C.
But let's assume that you'll feel a reaction after the 30C, then I wouldn't want you to get stuck in that potency with daily and frequent repetitions, sou you should be prepared to jump to 200C and then 1M within 48h and then stop and watch.
If you decide to go this way then I'd recommend the doses to be:
30C - 5 pellets dissolved in little water.
200C - 3 pellets dissolved in little water
1M - 2 pellets dissolved in little water
(All within 48hrs - enough water means a small sip)
Taking the pellets straight under the tongue, dry dose, is not recommended.
Comparing Aconitum with Stramonium, the first one covers a lot more symptoms and the essence fits better as well. If you think only in symptoms, even remedies like Nux-vomica, Belladona and Phosphorus covers more symptomns than Stramonium, but the essence of those doesn't fit at all. Aconitum was a combination of the whole thing.
But let's assume that you'll feel a reaction after the 30C, then I wouldn't want you to get stuck in that potency with daily and frequent repetitions, sou you should be prepared to jump to 200C and then 1M within 48h and then stop and watch.
If you decide to go this way then I'd recommend the doses to be:
30C - 5 pellets dissolved in little water.
200C - 3 pellets dissolved in little water
1M - 2 pellets dissolved in little water
(All within 48hrs - enough water means a small sip)
Taking the pellets straight under the tongue, dry dose, is not recommended.
Comparing Aconitum with Stramonium, the first one covers a lot more symptoms and the essence fits better as well. If you think only in symptoms, even remedies like Nux-vomica, Belladona and Phosphorus covers more symptomns than Stramonium, but the essence of those doesn't fit at all. Aconitum was a combination of the whole thing.
raphaeloliveira last decade
I also wanted to tell that it doesn't has to be only this way that I'm suggesting you, but I'm thinking ahead in case the remedy works and proposing a plan that will be more effective and with less risk to spoil or delay the process of cure.
And think that if the remedy is in fact the simillimum, then it should work in many different potencies and ways.
And think that if the remedy is in fact the simillimum, then it should work in many different potencies and ways.
raphaeloliveira last decade
Thank you so much Raphael, I really appreciate your help. I'm going to order Aconite in these 3 potencies and take it as you recommended. So basically I'll fill a cup with about 15 ml of water and drop the pellets in it. After that should I wait for the pellets to dissolve completely before drinking?
Anxious99 last decade
Yes, exactly. Wait until it dissolves completely and gives a little stir with the glass itself without using a spoon just so the remedy mix with the water.
Between 2 to 3 teaspoons will give you a good amount of water. Do not confuse with tablespoon which only 1 of it already equals 3 teaspoons.
So if you're taking this way, then the 30C dose is the one that you should most watch carefully after you take it to evaluate if the remedy was well selected or not. Give it some time to watch it, about 12 to 24hrs before going to 200C. The jump from 200C to 1M could be a shorter time.
Between 2 to 3 teaspoons will give you a good amount of water. Do not confuse with tablespoon which only 1 of it already equals 3 teaspoons.
So if you're taking this way, then the 30C dose is the one that you should most watch carefully after you take it to evaluate if the remedy was well selected or not. Give it some time to watch it, about 12 to 24hrs before going to 200C. The jump from 200C to 1M could be a shorter time.
raphaeloliveira last decade
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