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A simple and effective method to antidote homeopathic aggravation

Diane, can we talk about your special method of antidoting aggravations?


When I first began practicing homeopathy I learned that although aggravations happen, they don't happen very often, and when they do, it's a good sign that it's the right remedy and that eventually the aggravation will stop and healing will take place. In fact, a "healing crisis" is usually regarded as a positive sign that the body is ridding itself of toxins in other methods of natural healing.

Early in my study of homeopathy I learned that using a different potency of the same remedy that caused the aggravation would often stop an aggravation. I may have read or heard that if you put the same potency in a glass of water, and give a dose of a teaspoon, it will stop an aggravation, or I may have just tried it that way. I don't remember.

The first time I recall having seen a very remarkable "antidote" was in the early 1990's. I had given a woman one granule of Phosphorus 1M. When I next spoke to the woman, she was very pleased with the results, as most of her symptoms had been relieved--except for one thing. She had diarrhea. The diarrhea was the "same as the diarrhea I had when I was in India years ago." We were both happy. She was happy because her symptoms were getting better, and I was happy because the remedy was going into past illnesses and healing according to Hering's Law. But the diarrhea continued. By the fifth week, I decided something should be done, and asked her to take a teaspoon from a large glass of water that one granule of Phosphorus 1M had been dissolved in. Much to our amazement, the diarrhea stopped within hours!

After that first lesson in "antidoting", I continued to use that method to stop aggravations.

Over the years, I have discovered that diluting the remedy in more than one glass of water can work even more quickly! Now, when someone has an aggravation, I will usually tell them to dilute the remedy to at least the sixth glass before taking a sip. If the aggravation still continues, I tell them to double the number of glasses they are diluting it with.

For example, if someone has taken a dose of Sulphur 30C and has an aggravation, I would tell them to put a granule of Sulphur 30C into a large glass of water (about 10 ounces). Then, before the remedy dissolves (you don't have to wait for it to dissolve) dump the water out and immediately refill for glass 2. Immediately dump and refill for glass 3. Continue to dump and refill until the desired glass is reached and then take a sip.

The aggravation should stop within 1/2 an hour. If it doesn't, continue to dilute the remedy and take another sip.

One man who developed a severe headache after a remedy, took a dose from the sixth glass with no effect. An hour or so later he tried a dose from the 12th glass which still didn't work. He finally took a dose from the 24th glass, and the headache stopped within a few minutes!

Diane, I have always antidoted by using a lower potency of the same remedy, or, a dose of the exact same potency. My understanding is that as soon as you put a remedy in water you raise the potency; so, you're introducing a new concept to me--namely that an aggravation can be stopped by any potency of the same remedy! Is this your understanding? Would a 1M antidote an aggravation caused by a 200C?


Yes, I have found that by changing the potency, the remedy can stop an aggravation. I don't know if a 1M potency could stop an aggravation from a 200C and I don't think I ever heard it had to be a lower potency, but I have been doing the diluting with water in a glass and the same potency for so long and have had such good results that I never looked into it further.

Right, and we probably shouldn't because the idea of giving a 1M to a person aggravating from 200C makes me nervous! Let's just stick to the same potency in water, diluted many times, as you suggest!

I have found that if using LM potencies, as Hahnemann says, there is a reaction when the person has had enough of one potency, ie LM1, and is ready to go on to the next potency, i.e. LM2, I have found that to stop that reaction (or aggravation as some would call it), you simply succuss the dropper bottle (I used to tell people 100 times, but later found that 20 or more times would also work) and take one more dose. The aggravation will then disappear. In those cases, the potency was increased to bring them out of the range of the last potency of which they had had enough.


We've been trying your method with a client who has been having unsteady progress. I told her to use the "dump and refill" method up to 12 cups every time she took a dose. But the other homeopath on the case said it would only work one time as an antidote but not as a dosing method because without succussion before each dose, and just constant diluting, the remedy would stop working. Do you have a comment on this?


When I use this method to antidote, I only use it once to get rid of the aggravation. I don't repeat it. After the aggravation is gone, I wait until the next remedy is needed which may be a totally different remedy. This is ideal when somebody has taken a globule of a remedy and has been told to wait for a month before taking another remedy.

I have found that some people, especially those who are taking allopathic (prescription) medication which is helping them for the moment, or which cannot be stopped for one reason or another, seem to need a remedy daily. I then often give a 'water potency' daily. When giving a 'water potency', I put a granule of a remedy in water and vodka in a dropper bottle.

That's exactly what I do!

Sometimes I will dilute a remedy by a few glasses and then put one drop from the glass in the dropper bottle. I have them take a drop from the dropper bottle and put it in a glass of water. They may either take a sip from the glass, or if it is too strong, (resulting in an aggravation) dump and refill the glass to whatever glass they need to take it from to avoid an aggravation. Before each dose, they succuss the remedy at least twice. (I used to say 10 times, but found that can make it too strong for some people.)

This is exactly what I do! I've heard people say, "LM's aggravate!" but I guess they don't realize that you're supposed to adjust them, not just keep giving them once you know they've caused an aggravation! You're supposed to do just what you're describing--finding a dilution that won't aggravate. And the same thing applies to any potency which can be given daily--6C, 9C, 12C, you have to put the remedy in water and adjust the dilutions to keep the case moving smoothly; it's in The Organon, #247; Hahnemann says put the remedy in water and don't repeat exactly the same dose twice, and by that he means shake/succuss the bottle before each dose, change the dilutions and so on, to alter the dose or you'll have aggravations.

For very sensitive people - and they seem to be on the increase, I may tell them to start with the 10th glass for daily dose for about a week, and then back off to the third glass for the rest of the time taking the remedy. I teach them to muscle test, and have found that the ones who muscle test have a much 'smoother' time. If aggravations occur, they dilute the remedy and may skip a day or two, before continuing the daily remedy. This way, especially if they develop a knack for muscle testing, they can decide daily what glass they need to dilute the remedy to, or even if they need to take the remedy on that particular day.

One little boy with fetal alcohol syndrome had a very strong reaction to a remedy he was to take daily from a dropper bottle. His mother finally diluted it to over 20 glasses, and he was still reacting. I told the mother to take a drop from the 34th glass and put it on his wrist. That stopped the aggravation. For the next week or so, he took a daily dose of the remedy, but from a very dilute glass, using only 1 drop on his wrist. After that, he was able to take a sip of the remedy from a very diluted glass. The remedy helped him enormously when we figured out how he could take it.

For some people, I put a drop from a remedy diluted by several glasses, into a dram bottle with either glycerin and distilled water, or vodka and distilled water. They use this as a 'sniffer'. For those who have trouble diluting remedies, or for remedies that are needed more often for pain or allergic reactions etc., I often use sniffers. They succuss the remedy and then take a sniff as needed, or once daily or once or twice a week or as needed for pain etc. depending on the need.

These methods of diluting remedies have resulted from difficulties with Catherine or other clients over the years when I needed to find a different way of giving the remedies. Hahnemann talks about inhaling and diluting remedies and also I think, rubbing remedies into the skin in the 6th edition of The Organon.

I have found that when a remedy is taken repeatedly without sucussing, symptoms of a "proving" can occur, as when taking an LM and finally reaching the point where the symptoms of the remedy itself start coming back. To stop that, you would need to succuss the remedy quite a few times and take one dose and the symptoms should stop. If you take more, they will probably start again and you would have to succuss and take another dose.

I hope this isn't too confusing! It is just trying to match the strength of the symptoms and the person with the strength of a remedy. I think of it as fine tuning to match vibrational levels.


You're teaching us an important lesson about how cleverly homeopathy can be applied to the benefit of our clients! The other thing that can go wrong from not succussing before each dose is an unintended antidote! I, myself, on at least three occasions, antidoted a remedy that was working by repeating an unsuccussed, unshaken, unstirred or dry dose of the same potency! Fortunately, I had a higher potency to go to, but a friend of mine gave her mother Nux Vomica 30C for post-surgery nausea, and it worked, but she couldn't leave well-enough alone! "Well, I might as well give another dose just for good luck!" Famous last words! She, instead, antidoted the remedy, the nausea came back, they didn't have a higher potency, and, it was a complete disaster! If only she had known that just by putting the remedy in water she'd have had the next higher potency! Yes, Nux Vomica 30C, for example, in water, is a higher potency than Nux Vomica 30C in pellet form. But we may be getting too complicated and perhaps even, God forbid, BORING, so maybe we should stop now.

The full interview is here.

http://hpathy.com/interviews/dianefuller.asp

Murthy
 
  bandarbabu2000 on 2005-01-23
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Loree

This is it.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy,

WOW and Thanks! I'll read it when I have some energy...no quick read!

Loree
 
loree last decade
Hi Murthy,
Read the interview. Dividing doses in water is called the split dose method, I think it is the 5th edition, and works well for chronics! Good info on Antidotes..much thanks!
Dr Luc De Schepper has a good book on it: "Achieving and Maintaining the Simillimum" and that is the method I am learning! Yes, it is quite fascinating: the minimum dose, usually starting at 6C in water.

Thanks again for sharing!
Loree
 
loree last decade
I feel like sharing whatever little I come across,which in my view,will be useful.

yes,It is more or less a split method,but with more and more dilution,without succussion,till the patieny gets relief from aggravation.

But,one word of caution,though.A real homeopathic aggravation,is best left undisturbed.

The idea of antidoting,should be the last resort.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy,

My understanding is that the remedy effect has already taken place even with an antidote.(?)

Yes, I am learning that with the split dose method it is normally with succussion of stock solution--can be one succussion or more (and usually taking 1 tsp, etc. from each first cup to second cup, etc and with highly sensitive people, one may need to dilute many cups to find the right dose).

I was told by a very classical homeopath that for very sensitive people, he does a test dose without succussion. I asked about varying the doses to keep the vital force active, but I think with the watery method, one can take the same dose more frequently without mixing it up, as it is gentle on the system. I am being taught with a 6C for a test dose for chronics.

Thanks for the discussion!
Loree
 
loree last decade
If I could just give my 2 cents worth here. I know so many people who have benefitted from this interview with Diane! The reason you'll need this method the most is for unintended provings, which can be quite awful and serious! It's hard to believe that people can suffer from homeopathy, but, yes, it can happen, and at least now we have a way out!

It's great to know that you need only take the dose you're aggravating from, drop a single pellet or drop in a large cup of water, dump out the cup, refill at the sink, dump out, refill, and keep going in this way up to cup 12--as an arbitrary number, take a sip, and have it all be over!

If the aggravation is severe, there's no benefit being accorded the patient at all! The great thing about this method is: if it's the right remedy, it will continue to work, only without the aggravation!

The article goes into detail about what to do if an attempt at antidoting is made and it fails; so, do try to read the entire article.

Could you tell me about this book by Luc De Schepper? What do you think of it? I've read Hahnemann Revisited and liked it very much.

Snoopy
 
Snoopy last decade
I phrased the directions above awkwardly so i'll try again. One pellet into a large disposable cup of water, or, if your remedy is liquid, a drop of the liquid into a large disposable cup of water.

Stand at the sink. Water running. Dump out the cup. Refill. Dump out, refill. Keep going to cup 12. this is an arbitrary number. cup 6 might work as well; and in fact, before Diane, here's what i used to do to antidote:

repeat the exact same potency as the one that aggravated, only make the dose smaller.

So, if you took three pellets of Ignatia 30C, antidote with one pellet.

If you took a swallow of ignatia 30C, antidote with an unstirred, unsuccussed SIP of Ignatia 30C.

And i feel very sorry for people who don't know that repeating the exact same potency of a remedy can antidote, because, they must be ruining a lot of their cases without realizing what happened!

It should be a general rule:

1. Don't repeat a working remedy unless there's a relapse.

2. The safest way to repeat a remedy is put it in water and either succuss 5 or 10 times before the dose or stir vigorously so that you've altered the potency from the previous dose.

Snoopy
 
Snoopy last decade
Snoopy

A surprise!! Welcome.I am gavinimurthy.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi Murthy!!!

Snoopy
 
Snoopy last decade
Hi Snoopy!

The new book by Dr Luc DeSchepper is called "Achieving and Maintaining the Simillimum" He goes into detail about the split dose methodology, and he now uses only watery doses for both chronics and acutes which is outlined in detail in his book.

Loree
 
loree last decade
I also purchased Luc DeSchepper's Achieving and Maintaining the Simillimum.

I am a novice and it is filled with great information. He follows Hahnemann's 6th Edition and is a great believer of the LM potency.
 
maryo last decade
I hope I understand the aggravation .What does it mean when you are taking a constituion remedy and the 15-20 year old symptoms reappear again. is this aggravation ? If not , the the reappearance of years old complaints means the remedy is correct or not ?
Also if the remedy is correect then will those old reappearing complaints will go away after some time or you have to treat those complaints by other indvidual remedies ? Thanks
 
Homeofan last decade
It's hard to understand who is right.
I first came into contact with homeopathy through a company called NFLI, they had homeopathic tablets. The instructions where to take nothing 15 minutes before and after the remedy for it to work (including water).
A couple of months later I met a homeopath that I am still seeing. She gives the remedies in liquid form (with alcohol in it) but says there are no restrictions. She says we can drink and eat as we please and the remedy will still work. She also gives many remedies at a time (ie. up to six different remedies per day) and she repeats them often (30drops every 5 minutes 3x, 3x per day for 3 days: same remedy in same stregnth).
So what is happening?
Am I not confusing my body by taking so many different remedies all in one day?
Am I constintly antidoting by taking the same remedy several times in a day for three days?
I'm confused. Will any of these remedies work for me or am I wasting my time by doing this?
Who do I believe?
My sister-in-law has been seeing this doctor for once a month for 2 years and has not changed (weight, skin, etc). She says nothing has changed, she wonders if it is even working.
I have asked her about my concerns but she says I simply need to trust her, it will work.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks.
 
homeofive last decade
Your homeopath is not classically trained, and for my money, that's the only kind of homeopath there is--a classical homeopath: one who practices according to The Organon of Medicine, by Samuel Hahnemann, MD.

If you take many remedies at once, you can't manage nor make sense of your case or the progress of the case or your reaction to the prescriptions...it's as if i told you to take Aspirin, Tylenol, Advil, Sudafed, Contac...all at once; that would be insane, and irresponsible; and it's no less irresponsible when a homeopath does it.

I think you should stop seeing this person immediately and find a homeopath from the National Center for Homeopathy's directory.

Snoopy
 
Snoopy last decade
She is the highest ranking Homeopath in our province. All the other homeopaths in our province have been trained by her. So where do I go? I still want to take homeopathics and give to my family. I would love to be able to find a 'classical' homeopathic doctor to see in person but there are none around here.
 
homeofive last decade
Is her name Nelson? Because i have another client who was damaged by her. There are on-line homeopaths who can help you. It's not necessary to see the client if you are certified and well-trained.

MD's make the worst homeopaths because usually they do not feel that they have to go to a reputable school, costing thousands of dollars, when they can take a weekend course, or seminar, or read a book, and then use their MD as "carte blanche", so to speak, to carry them, as if that somehow makes them better qualified to practice homeopathy than someone with credentials from an actual school.

This is very hard because I would like to give you a recommendation but I can't post a web site on this forum and i can't post an email address! So, let me see, how can i do this? OK, do a google search for "Elaine Lewis homeopathy"--that's me, and you'll see my email address at the bottom of my articles. email me and I'll tell you what your options are.

Snoopy
 
Snoopy last decade
Specifically, when you do the google search, click on the "Homeopathy and Children" article. All the entries don't have my email address but that one does.

Snoopy
 
Snoopy last decade
homeofive,

i have personally worked with elaine and can highly recommend whatever options she shares with you.

good luck!
kppy
 
kppy3 last decade
I have a question. About 3 weeks ago I treated myself with Arsenicum 200c, single dose. It helped immed. with all the mental and physical symptoms I had included in my rubric, but a curious thing also happened. I got an itch in my second toe which I was compelled to scratch
and did so until I had an open blister. This immediately became infected and remains so now. The current condition of my toe, and the stages by which it got to this, are all in Arsenicum's MM. I thought that it was an aggravation, but I didn't know how to deal with it. So I used coffee to antidote the dose and re-prescribed for myself, this time Mercurius. It covers the lesion on my toe, as well as various other complaints that were remaining from my Ars Rx. However, the toe problem still remains. Can I now use the above described antidoting procedure for the ars, even though I have taken merc?
 
nivchek last decade
snoopy: if you just put your email address in your user profile, anyone can get it!
 
nivchek last decade
Dear Murthy,
I also think before that aggrevation is a good symptom. For this idea, I did mistake about my patient.

A patient has taken Selenium for sexual and uro-genital problems. But he face aggravation like prostate and abdomen pain; and also decline about erection. Now he only get slight erection in morning. Prostatic fluid secretion has either same or have increased.

In order to undo the aggravation of Selenium (Selenium-3x tablet few months ago; and now Selenium-6 three times per day for one month and Selenium-30 weekly dose for one month), I have suggested him Puls-30 weekly dose. Is it ok? I also suggested him to take Conium-200 one dose per 3 days. Is the conium can be taken along with puls?

If I want to apply your method, how many drops of remedy should be diluted with one glass of water?

Best regards
Sadeq
 
sadeqahmed last decade
Can this antidote repeated frequently?
 
sadeqahmed last decade
What is the meaning of '10th glass of daily dose'? Is it means, I have to put one drop of remedy in 10 glass of water? And then one teaspoon from it take daily?
 
sadeqahmed last decade
Please also explain the process of dump, refill and slip. First, I have to put one drop remedy into one glass of water. Then I have to take a drop from 1st glass and put this drop into 2nd glass of water. Then I have to take one drop dilution from 2nd glass and put this drop into 3rd glass. Is the process like it?
 
sadeqahmed last decade
My patient has taken from 1st to 6th glass, all get temporary relief, but prostate pain again start, when any erection occured. This pain prevent any erection and make it impossible.

If now I suggest to take him Pulsatilla-30 two dose (each dose 5 drops) by the gap between 2 hours, will it able to stop this aggravation?
 
sadeqahmed last decade

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