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Canine Pemphigus

I am looking for a homeopathic remedy for canine pemphigus around the nose and mouth. Small blisters that rupture leaving bright red tender skin. My dog is a one year old male Siberian. He also has bright red rims around some of his paw pads. I don't want to put him on steroids if I can avoid it. I'd appreciate any help.
Thank you.
 
  kattraxx on 2009-05-29
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Canine pemphigus is an autoimmune disorder. The major cause of most autoimmune disorders in pets is due,almost directly, to vaccinations/over-vaccinations/booster shots.
The immune system cannot recover from the yearly onslaught and reacts in this and other destructive ways.

An increasing number of vets, as well as the AVMA are now speaking against the practise of yearly booster shots.

Because vaccines are injected straight into the bloodstream,they can travel through the body resulting in allergic reactions manifesting as inflammation of the brain, inflammation of the digestive system, inflammation of the bones and joints,skin,or, in fact, any of the many inflammatory conditions of which canine pemphigus is just one.

Thuja 30C. One dose only of two whole pellets placed on the tongue. No food or water for 1 hour afterward. Does not need to be repeated but if doing so wait one full month before repeating this treatment. This should remove the destructive influence of prior vaccinations.

Transfer Factor Plus is an immune system modulator. Completely non-toxic. Start with one capsule and work up to two or three a day. Give with food. It can also be mixed into a paste by adding a little water and applying to the affected areas.

Acupuncture has also had considerable success in modulating the immune system and aiding in correcting various types of autoimmune disorders including canine pemphigus.
 
orian last decade
please give him three doses of hepar sulph 30c at a gap of 4 hours on a single day. Please note that the doses are not to be given daily but only on a single day. Please report after 10 days.

Don't give him anything to eat or drink within 15 minutes before or after giving medicine.
 
kadwa last decade
Thank you kadwa and orian for your kind responses.
We don't do vaccinations, but he did have the puppy shots before we got him.
We tried hepar sulph, but it was only one dose. We will try it again, with your instructions. And also the Thuja.
We have also tried mercurius vivus. And have started him on Transfer Factor Plus. He's up to 2 caps a day this week.
Should there be a time period between using the sulph and the thuja?
I don't know if it matters, but he was the only puppy to survive in his litter--- the others were 'reabsorbed' by the mother. Both his mother and father are healthy and there is no evidence of illness in his lineage.
We also home feed both our Siberians, mostly raw, but some lightly cooked; lots of fruits and veggies, bones, etc. Storm is about 35 lbs. now and otherwise a happy active dog.
Again, thank you both so much for your help. We are very appreciative.
 
kattraxx last decade
Allow each homeopathic remedy time to work(several hours or more) before giving the next one.

Eventually increase TFP to three capsules a day. Also, as mentioned, consider forming a paste by opening another TFP capsule, mixing it with a little purified water and applying to the affected areas. If it's eventually licked off just re-apply. TFP is non-toxic and can work both internally and externally for CP.
 
orian last decade
We gave Storm the recommended Thuja yesterday and are administering the hepar sulph today.

I will report back in ten days.

Again, thank you.
 
kattraxx last decade
It's been nearly ten days since we gave Storm the Thuja and hepar sulph.
He's also up to 3 caps a day, Transfer Factor.
The 'rash' around his nose & mouth is no longer a bright red, and seems dry, as opposed to the moist bright red it used to be. It always looks better in the mornings, a pink color, but by evening, it seems darker and moist.
We've taken him off any sort of grains, which do seem to make the rash redder, and keep him out of the sun as well, which hasn't been difficult since it's been raining for eight straight days here.
I think the treatments may have slowed the erosive progress of the pemphigus 'rash'. His right eye still waters however and he coughs periodically.
I know regarding the Thuja, we can repeat the treatment in 30 days, if necessary, orrect? As for the Hepar Sulph, how often can this remedy be given?
Also, he was microchipped at seven weeks, before we got him... could his reaction have anything to do with foreign-body rejection? I can't feel any lump near the injection site, but wondering about other adverse reactions. Just curious and investigating all avenues. We are at a loss, but haven't found anything connecting microchips and pemphigus on the internet.
He is home fed, drinks ionized alkanized filtered water, receives vitamins and nutrients and hasn't had any vaccinations since the puppy series, and he is only one year old.
Is there anything else we could be doing for him to clear out any vaccination toxins in his body?
He is a much loved part of our family. Thank you for your help.
kat
 
kattraxx last decade
The Thuja dosage can be repeated in thirty-days time.

Yes,yes,yes. Microchipping a pet can not only produce severe allergic reactions in some pets but it has been found that an increasing number of pets who had cancer had been microchipped. Consider tatooing ID information as a safer alternative.

Check the food that you are giving your dog for an allergic response. Start with simple basic foods that are known to be non-allergenic , non-trigger foods for CP and increase one by one noting which was given when and if the symptoms increased or decreased. Some foods can trigger occurrences of CP and other autoimmune diseases.

Consider adding cold-pressed flaxseed oil to your dog's diet.Keep the bottle refrigerated. Three to five tablespoons a day. Excellent with mixed with one-half cup of low-fat cottage cheese.

Go-ji juice. Available at any health food store. Three tablespoons spaced over a 24- hour period.

Marine phytoplankton. FrequenSea and Enerex's Super Marine Phytoplankton RX are excellent. If giving FrequenSea, one teaspoon for every 12 pounds of body weight, twice a day. If giving the Enerex brand, give 21 drops mixed in some moist food every 8 hours.
 
orian last decade
You may also wish to add several Bach Flower Essences to what you are already giving your dog to speed the detoxification/healing process.Available at any health food store. They come in little dark brown bottles.

Holly, Crab apple,and Beech.

10 drops of each in one ounce of purified/filtered/spring water. Place in a small dark brown bottle.Keep out of the light. Swirl gently to mix before using.

10-20 drops in a water bowl containing four to five cups of purified/filtered/spring water.

7-10 drops on the tongue every 15 minutes for two hours, then every half an hour for several hours, then every three hours for at least 8 doses, then 5-7 times a day thereafter.

One drop is measured as the same size of a droplet from the dropper in the lid of the BFE bottles not an eye dropper which has a larger droplet.
 
orian last decade
Thanks, Orian. We will see about having the microchip removed. The breeder chips all her pups. I've forwarded info to her re: problems with this practice, as well as info on nosodes in lieu of vaccinations. Fortunately, she is very receptive, as she cares about her dogs and pups and is a very careful breeder.

I was researching food allergies today. Storm just turned one year of age on May 1st and had not had any vacs since his last puppy vac last summer in July. It seems logical to me to assume that something trigged the CP last month when we first noticed the initial lesion beside his nose. Now his paw pads are involved and the 'rash' had progressed halfway up his muzzle and chin. What we have been reading about CP online terrifies us.

We've been trying to recall anything new introduced to his diet recently. Being a Siberian, he loves all fruits and vegetables and eats a wide variety of both. The only thing we could think of initially, was he was stung on or around the mouth/nose by a bee the week before we saw the first lesion.

I will do some research on non-allergenic foods to formulate a new diet, unless you have suggestions for simple foods we can begin with. Fortunately, he's not a picky eater. Will do on the cold-pressed flaxseed oil, go-ji juice, etc. and report back.

Oh, the breeder informed me yesterday that Storm's maternal grandmother (still alive and well) had allergic reactions to vaccinations, so she stopped all vacs for her. Storm's mother and father are both healthy at this time.

I think the elimination diet is a good idea. I was on the same wavelength this morning. Thank you again, Orian.
 
kattraxx last decade
I forgot to ask, should we continue giving primrose oil, fish oils and his natural whole food concentrate for pets (from Vitamin Research Products) and Dog Vites (also from VRP) during the elimination diet?
 
kattraxx last decade
What I mentioned should be fine to continue to give. Am not familiar with the 'natural whole food concentrate' you indicated you are giving your dog. Check it for allergen-inducing foods. The dog vitamins should also be fine unless they contain fillers such as soy,etc. Check the preservative used.

Start by eliminating wheat,soy,corn, all grains, saturated fats, hydrogenated/partially hydrogenated fats,eggs, any form of sugar, refined carbohydrates and lessen the amount of animal meats given considerably. Provide protein from other sources. Use only basic vegetables such as carrots,broccoli and other 'green' vegetables. Omit onion.


From what you have decribed this seems to be something that could have been kept under control at the outset.

However, there was a hereditary propensity for allergic reactions in your dog which was passed from the mother of your dog who, most likely, inherited it from somewhere in her lineage where one or both parents probably contracted a sensitivity due to over-vaccination in his/her lineage which compounded and increased as each of the offspring was vaccinated, produced litters who were, in turn, vaccinated, etc,etc.

Once you vaccinated your dog you further set in motion for this hyper-sensitivity to continue and it only exacerbated an already-existent problem.

Microchipping compounded the situation.

A bee sting received last year introduced a further toxicity.

The result is what your dog is now experiencing. An autoimmune disease from an over-active immune system stemming from an overload on the immune system which is responding to all of the above 'assaults' by turning on itself and 'attacking' itself in this way. Adding foods that are allergen-producing doesn't help the situation nor does using any products that contain chemicals or preservatives.

The BFE Crab apple will aid in expelling any toxicity from the bee sting should there be any still residing in your dog's body. The other BFE's as well as the other things mentioned will also help in the detoxification and curbing the inflammatory response.

Note: find the BFE's with a glycerine not alcohol base. Alcohol will only exacerbate the symptoms.

You may also wish to seriously look into acupuncture treatments for your dog. Usually available from holistic vets. Look for a vet who has experience in giving acupuncture treatments for autoimmune diseases.

Starting from the first acupuncture treatment given,it will begin to dampen the over-active immune system.It will take more than once treatment. Perhaps several before you begin to see any improvement. Acupuncture can also aid in detoxifying the system.

As already mentioned, may be a matter of several treatments over a course of several weeks then preventative treatments once a month or so.

Steroids, drugs, etc,try to suppress the symptoms, they do nothing to correct the actual condition. Acupuncture and the items mentioned in this and previous posts will help to correct this condition.

http://www.ivas.org/Members/VetSearch/tabid/124/Default.aspx....

http://www.ivas.org/



It would be wise to keep your dog out of bright sunlight until this condition is corrected.
 
orian last decade
 
orian last decade
Thanks, Orian. Storm is looking much much better and we are feeling hopeful for the first time. In addition to your suggestions, we started him on nzymes (nzymes.com). The 'rash' around his nose and mouth is clearing up quickly and his fur is growing back in. I think we are out of the woods.

Will keep you posted. As of now, Storm is doing very very well.

Thank you so much for all your assistance.

kat
 
kattraxx last decade
How is your dog doing now? My dog has pemphigus too and is on steroids but I don't think it's working
 
Rujason79 last decade
Thanks to these good people here, Storm has been like a dog without pemphigus. I would recommend following the advice given above.

In the meantime, add Nzymes Healthy Skin Kit for Dogs right away. (nzymes.com) We found that it cleared up Storm's symptoms in a couple days, and as long as we add it to his food, he is fine. It looks expensive, but one 'kit' lasts a year for us and it's worth every penny.

And have your dog's blood titered to check for vaccination immunities to see if it's even necessary to get 'booster' shots. Stay away from the shots, if possible. Do your research on the Internet before you give your dog anything. Also, it wouldn't hurt to home feed your dog, especially raw meat. No cheap high carb dog foods... avoid 'white' carbs; we found it caused Storm to have flare-ups.

Good luck. Feel free to ask any questions you might have of this forum. Wonderful people.

Hi everyone and thanks again!
 
kattraxx last decade
i would love to know if the program followed for Storm would help my dog too. she is a 6 yr old rottie who has posible pemphigus( waiting for biopsy)which started as a result of a possible bee sting on the face back in july. she has been on high steroids since august but has still not recovered with new bumps now appearing on her muzzle but nothing anywhere else. she had an allergic reaction to disolvable stitches aged 2 but has been ok since. she is vac';ed each year and was chipped age 2 and never a problem til now. I wonder if i could continue to vac whilst changing diet and placing on the thuja, transfer factor etc program. i really want her off the steroids and dont like the sound of the other remedies for her condition.
 
debbod 9 years ago
I just found out my dog has Pemphigus. I'm wondering if we can go ahead and give her Thuja and Hepar Sulph while on steroids, or should I wait until she's off of the steroids. Is starting the Transfer Factor Plus and Nzymes Skin Kit immediately OK, along with steroids?
Thank you,
Kris
 
KHawkes 8 years ago
I'm speaking from experience here and my best advice is find a homeopathic vet
ASAP. I have found that traditional vets harm dogs with the vaccinations, drugs, steroids, antibiotocs, etc. While you work with a homeopathic vet to get your dog off steroids, give them silymarin to repair the liver damage caused by these drugs and past vaccinations. You can also get Denamarin for dogs, a combination of silymarin and SAMe for the liver. Work with your homeopathic vet on the length of time your dog stays on it.

Storm got the pemphigus right after his puppy shots. For future puppies, I will use homeopathic nosodes instead of vaccinations. We did the Thuja as recommended on this thread, as well as the Hepar Sulph to clear his body of the toxins caused by the vaccines. Vaccinations cause many autoimmune disorders like pemphigus. We put Storm on the nzymes because we suspected a yeast infection caused by antibiotics the vet gave him. Many many dogs have yeast problems but are always misdiagnosed by traditional vets who for the most part, do not recognize this ailment in dogs. When they see a rash on a dog, they call it allergies when it's almost always yeast, from all the grain in most manufactured dog foods. Get your dogs on a no grain diet. They didn't evolve eating grain. I feed mine fresh raw meat and vegs and non-starchy fruit, and Blue Wilderness kibble and salmon biscuits as treats and crunch to keep their teeth clean, as well as fresh raw meaty bones. The properly diluted Oxy drops 2% solution (from nzymes.com) sprayed on Storm's snout where the pemphigus rash was did the trick. I stopped giving him the nzymes sprouted soy because some dogs will bloat when given soy. We noticed no help from the Transfer Factor.

For the yeast, I followed a simple candida diet along with good quality enzymes, probiotics and homeopathics.

My main advice for pemphigus is to find a homeopathic vet and get far away from traditional vets with all their drugs and vaccinations. If there is one thing I've learned, it's that you're basically on your own. Don't take anyone's word for anything-- do your own research, help your dogs yourself. Buy Don Hamilton's book, Homepathic Care for Dogs and Cats. I treat myself and my dogs homeopathically now and it works and does NO harm. Sure a traditional vet can treat a broken bone, but stay away from the drugs and antibiotics they hand out! No wonder our animals are sick and die young. Read this thread from the beginning for more good advice. Put your dog on a healthy natural meat no grain diet. Research everything before you give it to your dogs. (Btw, NEVER give your dogs Rimadyl. Google Rimadyl kills dogs. Vets pass this stuff out like they do antibiotics.)

And finally, have your dogs' blood titered every few years. One of my dogs is 9 years old and still has her orignal puppy vaccination immunities so all those toxic booster shots are unnessary and deadly, just profitable.

Specifically KHawkes, I would follow the advice given at the beginning of this thread about the Thuja and Hepar Sulph to help clear your dog's body of the toxins of vaccinations, and get your dogs off steroids ASAP while working with a homeopathic vet. Steroids don't work most of the time and only suppress the symptoms and do serious damage in the long run. You can try Transfer Factor, if you like but I think it was the Thuja and Hepar Sulph that helped Storm.

Look up symptoms of a candida (yeast) infection. Do a candida diet if you suspect a yeast infection internally or externally. There are good photos on the nzymes.com site if you're unsure.

I do recommend using the Oxy drops 2% diluted solution sprayed on the pemphigus rash four times a day. That worked almost immediately for Storm. Keep out of the eyes. Make sure you follow instructions and properly dilute the Oxy drops. But you still have to clear the toxins from the body, so find a good homeopathic vet.

All the drugs and vaccinations do harm that sometimes doesn't surface for years. Definitely do something right now for the liver to try to heal the damge done. Denamarin is a good product. Feed a lot of leafy greens and fresh vegs to also help clear toxins from the body, not the gassy vegs tho.

And one more time-- Find a good homeopathic vet to help you, if you can. There are none where I live, so I had to educate myself. But I swear by it now. Don Hamilton's book has helped so much. There are also good homeopathic resources online, as well as this site's Remedy Finder. I often use child's doses of homeopathic remedies for my dogs.
[message edited by kattraxx on Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:14:24 BST]
 
kattraxx 8 years ago
Thanks so much Kat for the quick response!..really helpful information.
I'm going to get my dog on the Thuja, Hepar Sulph and Oxydrops right away. And look for a good Homeopathic doc.
Thanks again!
Kris
 
KHawkes 8 years ago
Kris, good for you! You're doing the right thing finding a homeopathic vet to help you. Once you witness the results, you will be as passionate about homeopathics as I am now. Your dog is lucky to have you. I wish you both the best of luck.
 
kattraxx 8 years ago
OK, I'm a believer! I used Thuja, Hepar Sulph and Oxydrops with total success. Thank you again!!!
 
KHawkes 8 years ago
Hello,
I don’t know if this thread is still active but I’m posting my issue here as I’m having the very same problem with my dog Fuzi.

First of all I would like to thank you so much for your posts and your information. This thread has been like a beacon of hope to us for the first time since Fuzi was diagnosed with Pemphigus Foliaceus.

Prior to his condition, we were following the old-school approach with yearly vaccinations and all that horrible stuff vets use to give to animals. We were totally unaware of how helpful homeopathy can be for animals.

We had been having troubles with Fuzi’s skin since mid April. At that time, totally unaware of the problem, we visited our vet and she thought that the problem was some kind of skin infection so she prescribed antibiotics. The time went by and we were changing antibiotic to antibiotic with no results whatsoever, on the contrary his skin condition deteriorated to the point that 2/3rds of his body are covered in pustules. So in mid May we decided to check with a specialized vet, (a dermatologist) and our Fuzi was diagnosed with pemphigus foliaceus.

He prescribed the “typical solution” which is to treat him with steroids for the rest of his life. Given Fuzi’s age (11 years old) we fear that suppressing his immune system would only cause more problems and threaten his life in the long run.

So we had an over-the-phone appointment with a homeopathic vet (she is more than 350 miles away from where we live) and she suggested that we should give him Mercurius Solubilis (12ch) for the days 1 & 2, then Lachesis (12ch) for days 3, 4 & 5 and lastly Lachesis (30ch) for days 6, 7 and 8. Moreover she told us to refrain from baths with Douxo Pyo, which is somewhat disturbing, since the shampoo seemed to calm him for a while. After the treatment a reevaluation will determine whether we should proceed with this treatment or if we should alternate it.

Currently we are on day 8 and I have not seen any significant improvement on Fuzi’s skin. Sure his skin condition has somewhat stopped to deteriorate and the pus seems to have dried a bit, but a big part of his body is still covered in pustules and all the itching makes them bleed. His mood is slightly better although he still sleeps for the most part of the day and when awake he’s itchy and slightly depressed.

So I’m thinking of treating him with Thuja and Hepar Sulphur as suggested here, but I don’t know if the potency suits a 24 pound dog and if there is any relevance with the weight.

My understanding is that Thuja is used in only one dose of 30ch and then you have to wait for a month to repeat if needed. As for Hepar sulphur the suggested pattern is 3 doses (30ch each) on a single day leaving a gap of 4 hours in between the doses.

I was wondering if this pattern applies to a 24 pound dog and whether Hepar Sulphur can be repeated and if so when. Moreover does this pattern apply to certain idiosyncratic features or is it a standard treatment for this type of illness?

As far as the Oxe Drops are concerned I’m afraid that’s not an option for the time being, as we live in Greece and the estimation of the delivery time is more than 20 days (let alone customs and stuff). I have searched for a European alternative that could be shipped right away but found nothing.

Is there anything else we can do? Given your experience when should we expect to see an improvement? Are there any side effects to be expected?

By the way we have changed his diet and now he’s on Skin Support from Royal Canine hoping to help with his situation.

I know I ask a lot of questions and I apologize for this over-extended post, but we are pretty desperate and every piece of information is valuable!

Thank you!
[Edited by Fuzision on 2018-06-06 09:23:48]
 
Fuzision 3 years ago
Fuzision,
Sorry to hear about Fuzi. We still have Storm and he never had another recurrence. I still work with Dr. Don Hamilton, by phone, a homeopathic vet in New Mexico. He is the author of the Small Doses for Small Animals book on homeopathic treatments for dogs. I can’t put an email ad in this post, but look him up in Santa Fe, New Mexico for the phone number of his practice.
I personally recommend the Nzymes diet (no carbs) and treatment, especially the Oxydrops, which helped relieve the skin condition so much. I realize shipping takes a while, but it is invaluable. In retrospect, I dont know if Storm even had pemphigus. It is often a yeast infection misdiagnosed as pemphigus. And since Fuzi was on antibiotics, it may well be an overabundance of yeast build up in his body. Nzymes are specifically for this problem. It worked for Storm. While you are waiting for shipment, in the meantime, put Fuzi on a raw red meat diet. Or quickly brown the meat but leave it as raw inside to avoid killing the nutrients. Add fresh vegetables, green, not starchy. No carbohydrates, white foods, sugars, etc., as these feed yeast infections. A lot of times, a healthy raw diet, which is natural for dogs, is all it takes to clear up skin problems. With chicken tho, we roast that. Nzymes outlines a good diet plan and they even have advisors you can speak to or email for free. Clearing out a yeast infection takes time, but begin now. Put Fuzi on probiotics right away. The antibiotics killed his gut immune system and internal yeast flourished. Ask Dr, Hamilton about stopping the steroids. And forget regular vets. I never found one who knew anything about treating yeast infections in dogs. Also, after his round of puppy vaccinations, we never had Storm vaccinated again. We have his antibodies checked regularly and he still has them. Booster vacs are nothing more than money making opportunities, unnecessary and destructive to animals' health. Washing Fuzi once a week will also help rid his body of toxins. Nzymes has a mild shampoo they recommend. The Oxy spray showed us the fastest results, and gave Storm relief from itching. I know I sound like I sell the stuff, but I can only go by what worked for us, when no one else and nothing else helped because regular vets do not really understand much more than handing out antibiotics and vaccinations and fixing things like broken legs. When it comes to something as complex as skin problems, yeast infections, etc., find a natural vet. I cannot stress that enough. Keep me posted. Kat
 
kattraxx 3 years ago
Kattraxx,
Thank you very much for your prompt response and your valuable advice.
I’ m so happy to hear that Storm is all right and never had another recurrence. You’ve been quite a fighter starting from scratch and educating yourself so that Storm is now a healthy dog.
I wish the case with our Fuzi was just a yeast infection, but the dermatologist who conducted the lab tests was pretty confident that it’s pemphigus.
Out of fear that steroids would cause more harm on the long run, we refrained from any steroid prescription so he never took one.
I’m totally with you on the regular vets thing and it’s sad that it took us so long to find out that all those chemicals and vaccinations can cause so much damage.
I will order from nzymes ASAP. In the meantime and knowing that’s going to be at least a month before we receive them, I apply pure aloe vera from my garden onto his skin, to relieve him from the itching and the irritation. Moreover aloe vera has antibacterial and healing properties when it comes to wounds, eczemas and generally skin conditions that require special attention.
As for his food, he’s exclusively on Skin Support from Royal Canine which is pretty expensive but it seems to work and he’s pretty comfortable with it. All starch, sugar and white foods are banned from his diet long ago. Having heard your experience, I will accompany his food with some raw red meat. As for probiotics I gave him today a full teaspoon of pure organic kefir yogurt from goat milk, which is supposed to carry all the probiotics needed, and will continue to do so given that he’s alright with it.
I also spoke with our new homeopathic vet and she suggested that we take hepar (30ch) for 3 days and continue with Lachesis (6 ch morning + 12ch evening) for the next 3 days.
I know it’s a bumpy ride and I thank you very much for taking the time to revisit an old post and offer your advice.
I will keep posting Fuzi’s progress hoping that we’re on the right path.

Thank you!
 
Fuzision 3 years ago

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