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Arnica Side Effects

My wife has a brain tumor and is taking Accutane. It seems like the Accutane is causing pain in her shoulders and arms.

I gave her 5 Arnica 30X and she had dizziness, blurred vision and nausau right away. It did not last long.

Any ideas?
 
  rad28 on 2010-05-31
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
You have experienced how a Homeopathic remedy can cause the major aggravation of an ailment almost immediately after you used it. I presume that you have learned a lesson never to experiment with Homeopathy unless you are aware of the consequences that can follow an error like yours. It is fortunate that no permanent damage has been done.

You state that your wife is suffering from a Brain Tumour and is taking Accutane. This is a powerful drug used in treating Acne and I would like to have more information on the reason why she is using it.

I do not have any experience in the treatment of Brain Tumours which mercifully are very rare but there is a possibility that Conium 6c in the Wet dose can reduce it in a few months. This is a remedy that is known to reduce Tumours in the body.

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in a 5ml Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard before you sip a capfull which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this shaking must be done every time before sipping a capful of the bottle which can be used as a dose.
 
Joe De Livera 9 years ago
There is also a possibility that Conium too can produce some unforeseen complications.

That is the reason to tell time and again not to depend on forums like these for serious problems.

Remedies are thrown in the ring by all and sundry and many of them don't follow even the basic tenants of homeopathy.

Did you observe the message at the bottom of this page?

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Information given in this forum is given by way of exchange of views only, and those views are not necessarily those of ABC Homeopathy. It is not to be treated as a medical diagnosis or prescription, and should not be used as a substitute for a consultation with a qualified homeopath or physician. It is possible that advice given here may be dangerous, and you should make your own checks that it is safe.....

Be cautious please.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 9 years ago
To Murthy

It is extremely unlikely that Conium 6c in the WET DOSE 'can produce some unforeseen complications.' If you have any such complications which you can specify please do so immediately so that I and the patient can learn from your vast pseudo classical knowledge which you only use to case snide aspersions at my efforts to help anyone in distress.

You add: 'Remedies are thrown in the ring by all and sundry and many of them don't follow even the basic tenants of homeopathy.' You imply that it is only I that qualify for your sarcastic statement while types like you can pontificate with your own interpretation of pseudo classical murthypathy in response to a patient who like in this case is desperately ill. All you will state eventually as you have done in countless previous cases is to consult another 'classical homeopathy' like you, who will in turn persist in giving the patient the run around by prescribing one remedy after another.

All in the name of your pseudo classical homeopathy.

Do you realize that this patient suffers from a BRAIN TUMOUR for which the ONLY resource is SURGERY ?

If you were the patient will you go ahead with the surgery in spite of the possible consequences ?

I have prescribed Conium 6c as I have experience in the manner that it works in reducing tumours in the body. I have clearly informed the patient that I have never treated a Brain Tumour with this remedy and I did so in all good faith as it is possible that Conium can help to reduce the tumour. It has to be given a chance in the same manner that other remedies I have prescribed in the past to hundreds of thousands of patients who have been helped when the 'impossible was made possible' with my Joepathy. You have only to refer to the many cases who have confirmed that I have provided that Miracle Touch when all others have failed.

Can you give me just ONE CASE you have helped in this manner with your murthypathy ?

You condemned my advice in your usual fashion, instead of watching on the side lines to observe if the JoepathyI prescribed can help to reduce the tumour. This can easily be verified with a scan but the remedy must be given a chance to do so after about 2 months. There is absolutely no possibility that it can aggravate the patient.

It is just not ethical on your part to criticize the Conium 6c I have prescribed with all good intentions as the patient has no alternative other than surgery.

This is again another case of ' your brain boiling over' as you posted your response last evening when I read around midnight, last night.

Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera 9 years ago
Nobody has really addressed my question.

I was under the impression that Arnica was very commonly used and was very safe.

Was the 5 pills my mistake?

In other words, should I have started with 1 pill?

Rick
 
rad28 9 years ago
To Rad

I cannot understand the reason for your desire to give your wife Arnica 30x even after you discovered:

'I gave her 5 Arnica 30X and she had dizziness, blurred vision and nausau right away. It did not last long.'

Arnica is NOT the remedy for her right now and I hope that you will take my advice.
 
Joe De Livera 9 years ago
To Joe:

Yes, I will take your advice. I will stick with Norco (Double-Vicadin) for the pain.

Just so you are not too concerned, she has had surgery, radiation, chemo and is being treated by a very good brain tumor center. We are also working with a dietitian who specializes with brain tumor clients. Also, her tumor has been stable for 6 months even though it started out as Stage IV.

I was just trying to find something to handle the pain besides the prescription drug.


Rick
 
rad28 9 years ago
I reported Joe's post to the moderator once again and if there is no action from the moderator regarding Joe's uncalled for outburst in the next 48 hours I will assume that it is free for all once again and the true colors of Joepathy will be thoroughly exposed and the posters educated on the idiocy of this so called joepathy...of course without crossing the line.

Sorry Rad28 for using your thread to settle our scores.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 9 years ago
Hi Rad28

To answer your question 5 pellets may be too much for a patient in sensitive state.

You could have tried by dissolving one pellet in about 60 ml. of water and would have given just a teaspoon out of it.

Since there is an aggravation and didn't last long there must be some amelioration following it if it is the corect medicine.

Did you observe it?

I can suggest a remedy which MAY help if you are willing to take the risk.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 9 years ago
To Murthy:

Arnica: The pain increased at the beginning which is what I expected from my limited studying. Then the side effects started and we never talked about the pain again.

Yes, I would be interested in what you recommend...depending on the risks.

Would an Arnica lotion be better? The pain is in the back and the arms.


Rick
 
rad28 9 years ago
Hi Rad28

We will proceed cautiously.

Give her just a single pellet of Mag.phos 6X and observe for a few hours.

If there is no change/ no worsening give 2 pellets after 4 hours from the first dose.

Report back.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy 9 years ago
Just one other note. I have been in contact with Dr. Prasanta Banerji. He has treated many, many brain tumor patients with homepathy. We will be starting this up the middle of June.

The following is from Dr. Banerji:

We treat all type of cases including Brain tumors. In our clinic, where we serve a patient load of approximately 1000 - 1200 prescriptions daily. Our treatment is very specific both in respect of the medicine as well as the potency. Ruta Gr.6c & Calcarea Phos 3X treatment we do here alone in Brain tumor/cancer cases, no Chemo Therapy (CT) and Radio Therapy (RT) is used & we get excellent result of course. Now this Ruta treatment is being used in many cases in all over the Globe and with & after CT, RT relapses, with great success.

Please give her the following medicines: -
1) Ruta Gr.6c, in pills, 5 pills a dose, two doses daily, morning and evening.
2) Calcarea Phos 3X, in tablets, 2 tables a dose, two doses daily, noon and night.
Please see the website: www.pbhrfindia.org

With best wishes.
Dr. Prasanta Banerji
PBH Research Foundation
10/3/1 Elgin Road
Kolkata - 700 020
West Bengal
India
Website: www.pbhrfindia.org


Rick
 
rad28 9 years ago
To Rick

I am happy to note that you have already been in contact with Dr Prasanta Banerji and that he has prescribed Ruta and Calc Phos for your wife.

I cannot understand the reason why you
'We will be starting this up the middle of June. '

I presume that you are already aware that his organization The Prasanta Banerji Research Foundation is a non profit organization and does not levy any fees for advice even in cases like your wife's which no other medical organization will equal.

You may like to know that I have been in contact with them for some time in the past and have referred some of my patients whom I was not able to cure to him. I am copying an exchange of posts between me and the father of a 6 year old who was treated by Dr Prasanta and who found relief from her Asthma in a few days.

My advice to you is to stop all medication you are now using for your wife as far as is possible and start using the 2 remedies precisely as prescribed by Dr Prasanta IMMEDIATELY.
You are advised NOT to use all other remedies prescribed by others including the Conium I prescribed as I have absolute confidence in Dr Prasanta's therapy which has worked admirably in cases that I have referred to him in the past.

Here is the case of the 6 year old child whom I was treating for some months with limited success and who is now on the road to recovery from her Asthma after she started on Dr Prasanta's therapy.


http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/210207/6

Re: Asthma in 6 years old daughterFrom Joe De Livera on 2010-04-16

I am very sorry to learn that you have had to discontinue Homeopathic therapy for your daughter as she does not seem to respond to the therapy that I prescribed which I know you followed faithfully. If after all these months of using Blatta Orientalis and Nat Sulph which you used previously you discovered that they do not work to cure her it is obvious that you must seek assistance from others who may be able to help her.

I am concerned that your daughter may be condemned to a life which virtually depends on the Steroidal Inhalers you are using purely to enable her to breathe and even today I feel that you must seek assistance elsewhere.

One name that I can recommend is the

PRASANTA BANERJI HOMEOPATHIC RESEARCH FOUNDATION


I am aware that they too use the direct 'this for that' method of therapy which is similar to my Joepathy and I would recommend that you contact them by email and seek their assistance on:

consultation at pbhrfindia.org

Please keep me advised of her progress as she has been often in my thoughts

Re: Asthma in 6 years old daughterFrom dis43686 on 2010-04-16

Thanks Joe. I really appreciate what you had done to tried to cured my daughter but it really seems can't control her from attacking. I will contact the web addreess you given and update you on this.Report post to moderator Re: Asthma in 6 years old daughterFrom dis43686 on 2010-04-22Below is the prescription given by Dr Prasantha, will tried to get all the medicine before starting the therapy.


For asthma, please give the following medicines :-

1) Calcarea Carb 30c, in pills, five pills a dose, one dose daily morning.

2) Ipecacuanha 30c, in pills, five pills a dose,

3) Chelidonium Majus 6X, in liquid, 2 drops a dose in spoonful of water,
give 1 dose every three hours alternately from (2) & (3), not at night during sleep, i.e. Ipecacuanha 30c - 7AM, 1PM, 7PM & Chelidonium Majus 6X - 10AM, 4PM, 10PM.

For breathing trouble give Kali Iod 6c, in liquid, one dose is two drops in a spoonful of water, if require give one dose every half an hour interval till relief.

Re: Asthma in 6 years old daughterFrom Joe De Livera on 2010-04-22Thank you for the update. Dr Prasantha is very experienced and let us hope that his therapy will help your daughter.

Please keep me informed of her response to the new therapy in a week.

In the meanwhile you can use the physiotherapy I recommended to keep her lungs free of mucous.

We must do everything to keep her away from the steroids which will affect her future.

Do not give up hope.




Here is the latest report:

Re: Asthma in 6 years old daughterFrom dis43686 on 2010-05-23

After taking the medicine for 1 week the result is excellent, before my daughter is still depending on the nebuliser but after I stop and immediately taking the Dr Prasantha medicine the cough immediately subside and till today the cough only once in the morning and throughout the day was ok

Re: Asthma in 6 years old daughterFrom Joe De Livera on 2010-05-24

I am very glad indeed that your daughter has responded positively to Dr Prasanth Banerjee's therapy.

It is obvious that his therapy is more positive in its effects to the therapy that I prescribed for her in the past.

Please keep me and Abhishek posted with her progress in the future as this information will help us to help future patients who may not respond to our therapy.
 
Joe De Livera 9 years ago
To Joe:

Thanks for the info.

The reason for the short wait is that she is going off Zoloft and Zoloft has withdrawal symptoms. She has been decreasing from 100 mg and is now at zero (5/23). I wanted to wait until all withdrawal symptoms have cleared before introducing anything new...so I could tell what is going on.

I have checked with Dr. Prasanta Banerji and he knows exactly which meds and supplements she is currently taking. I specifically asked about the anti-seizure med that she is on and he said to wait a couple of months after treating with his recommendations.

Next MRI is 8/3.


Rick
 
rad28 9 years ago
To Rick

I am glad to note that you have been in close communication with Dr Prasanta and are acting under his supervision. It is just that I was not aware of the facts and was very concerned at your seeming nonchalance in using his therapy, which I am confident will help your wife.

She has my prayers and best wishes for a full recovery.

Please keep me advised of her progress.

Joe De Livera
 
Joe De Livera 9 years ago
Once, I suggested Arnica 30c to a woman dealing with a bad case of Shingles for 3 weeks - just for overall strenghthening of her body. She had massive diarhea the next morning - found out later that she had been on strong medicine that had caused her to be constipated for 3 weeks! Anyway, after her bout in the morning, she had enough energy to take her children to a park that afternoon. You might want to investigate the baking soda maple syrup treatement being used by some for cancer. Search Dr. Jim Syrup Soda and you will find many articles. Best to you. TDS
 
tamarlaleo 9 years ago
Murthy,

When did you report which post? I got nothing.

In any case, I see nothing here to get worked up about, unless one was hoping to find something to get worked up about.

Joe, Murthy,

Trying to score points off each other just results in own-goals. I suspect neither of you, in your daily dealings with people offline, get so upset quite so easily. Kindly apply the same tolerance and tact here too.

Thank you,
Simon
 
moderator 9 years ago
Murthy - I got the notification, but the rest of my comments stand.
 
moderator 9 years ago
For the love of God she should stop taking the Accutane if she has a brain tumor!
Take it from me!
That stuff causes major brain malfunctions!
When I was prescribed that stuff 14 years ago, it came with a warning from the drug company that said...Beware, if you are pregnant, your baby could turn out to look like this alien child!
And yes, there was a picture of the deformed baby in the leaflet!
If she has any chance of living through this, she needs to detox and take the right meds..
She is POISONING herself with ACCUTANE!
Make her stop!!
 
iloveyou 9 years ago
I would also like to add I believe taking that stuff has permanently damaged my intestines!!! My digestion has NEVER been the same since and there has been MANY law suits against the drug company making it!
 
iloveyou 9 years ago
joe
Does arnica 30c in wet doses for general health has any side effects
 
raavi_zc 7 years ago
Absolutely NOT.

I am a living example of its efficacy as I have been taking a dose of Arnica in the Wet dose nightly since 1996 and at age 83 I am convinced that I owe my current state of health to God and to Arnica.

Read my articls

Arnica the Miracle Remedy on

http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=66
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
joe
Very well i would start use it, should i expect any symptoms on first usage
How much is the dosage , can it increase sex endurance
 
raavi_zc 7 years ago
I presume that you have already visited the link on my website that will give you all the data you require on your problems.

You will use Arnica 6c in the Wet dose which is made as follows:


Order the remedy in the Liquid pack in Alcohol, also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
joe
Sorry to disturb you again ,i have already purchase the arnica 30c can it be used
 
raavi_zc 7 years ago
You have not indicated whether you have the Liquid Dilution or the pellets which are quite useless
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago

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Important
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