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Trigeminal neuralgia - left side pain

My mother - aged 69 - is suffering from left side TN. Due to severe pains on the top side of left eye - through the forehead upto the top of the head, she is unable to sleep. Mental pressure is also building up. Pains are unbearable. They are increasing in cold conditions, wind draft etc. Please suggest.
 
  sapatwardhan on 2011-09-03
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day 1 to day 3

Please give her Calc Carb 200 in the morning and evening.

One dose means
If the medicine is in pills form 4 pills. Don't touch pills with hand. Use cap of bottle to take pills.
If the medicine is in liquid dilution form, 3-4 drops in some 20 ml water. Sip up slowly.

day 4 to day 15

Please give her 2 pellets each of the following tissue salts (at a time) thrice a day at a gap of 4 hours.
mag phos 6x
calc phos 6x
silicea 6x

Please report back after 15 days.

Please follow homeo restrictions like no coffee, no raw onion/garlic, no strong perfumes, don't eat or drink anything within 30 minutes before or after taking medicine.
 
kadwa 8 years ago
Thanks a lot for the reply. I will start this treatment and will report after 15 days. I have a question - I have MagPhos6X, CalcPhos6X and Silicea6X in liquid form. I have raw pills also. Can I mix all these liquids to prepare one bottle of medicine.
 
sapatwardhan 8 years ago
It is better to put 2 drops of each pill in some water and then administer the dose.

Generally 6x potency is available as tablets, so let us not experiment with medication of raw pills. Let us use the dilutions as they are. Theoretically there doesn't appear to be any logic that the method you are talking about won't work.
 
kadwa 8 years ago
I gave Calc Carb 200 for 2 days as suggested, but the pains increased too much. They were un-bearable. So I stopped Calc Carb 200 on the third day. Form 4th day, I started MagPhos, CalcPhos and Silicea. This has resulted in a better situation. The pains are reducing slowly. Thanks for your support. I will continue this dose for next 8-9 days...to complete 15 days and revert back. Thanks again.
[message edited by sapatwardhan on Sat, 17 Sep 2011 06:59:11 BST]
 
sapatwardhan 8 years ago
I continued with MagPhos, CalcPhos and Silicea. This has shown better results. She is taking these medicines thrice daily.
If she forgets even one dose, then the pain starts. Looks like, she will have to continue with these medicines for a long time. What is your opinion on this?
I sincerely thank Dr. Kadwa for his advice.
 
sapatwardhan 8 years ago
Please give her the remedies as follows..
4 pellets of mag phos 6x
after 4 hours
4 pellets of calc phos 6x
after another 4 hours
4 pellets of silicea 6x

We may come to know whether a specific remedy is working or the combination is working.

Otherwise there is no harm to continue with these remedies for atleast another 2 months.
 
kadwa 8 years ago
After taking MagPhos 6X, CalcPhos 6X and Silicea 6X for past 1 and ½ months, suddenly the pains have increased. It may be due to cold weather i.e. changes in weather. The temperature in our city is 17-20 Deg.C in the morning. My mother travelled to Karnataka in 1st week of December. There she may have been exposed to wind draft, during travelling. The pains have increased after this tour and are unbearable. Now there is no relief after taking the three medicines, MagPhos 6X, CalcPhos 6X and Silicea 6X. Please suggest.
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
Please give her Dulcamara 200 as follows and then restart the tissue salts.

day 1 morning
1st dose

day 1 evening
2nd dose

day 2 morning
3rd dose


One dose means
If the medicine is in pills form 4 pills. Don't touch pills with hand. Use cap of bottle to take pills.
If the medicine is in liquid dilution form, 3-4 drops in some 20 ml water. Sip up slowly.

Please follow homeo restrictions like no coffee, no raw onion/garlic, no strong perfumes, don't eat or drink anything within 30 minutes before or after taking medicine.
 
kadwa 7 years ago
Thanks a lot for the reply. I will update you after the completion of Dulcamara dose.
I have one more observation. My mother suffers with cold, which is not severe and can not be observed significantly. But when she has a running nose, then she feels better. During running nose, a clear water flows through her nose. She also feels better, when she puts Peppermint oil on her forehead. Generally she does not have a tendency for cough or cold. Does this have a relationship with the TN?
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
This may point to the remedy lachesis which is inimical to dulcamara. So please let me know her response to dulc and tissue salts for few days thereafter, we will take an appropriate decision.
 
kadwa 7 years ago
After the second dose of Dulcamara, she felt better for about 4 hours. During this time, the weather was not cold. But again she has gone back to her earlier symptoms. The weather has also changed and it is much cooler now. Shall I continue with the tissue salts and some more doses of Dulcamara?
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
Please give her Dulcamara for 2 days and then tissue salts for next 3 days and report back.
 
kadwa 7 years ago
We have completed total 8 doses of Dulcamara 200. Now she is feeling better. The pains have reduced for past 3 days. They have not gone completely, but the intensity is reduced. She still feels better, when she puts Peppermint oil on her forehead. Therefore, she is continuing with Peppermint Oil. Now I am continuing with the earlier prescribed salts - Mag phos 6X, Calc Phos 6X and Silicea 6X. We have also gone ahead for a MRI scan of her brain. The tests are performed for MR of the brain using T1, T2 and FLAIR sequence. The report states “Vascular loop indicating the root entry zone of left trigeminal nerve. No significant brain parenchymal abnormality detected. No evidence intracranial hemorrage / SOL.” I understand that this report confirms about the TN only and there is no other issue. Please confirm my understanding and advice for further actions.
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
You should repeat dulcamara 200 for 3 days when she has a significant relapse in her symptoms. You may continue with the tissue salts. It is better to ask a neurologist / neuro-surgeon to interpret the scan reports. It seems prima facie that you have drawn right conclusion.
 
kadwa 7 years ago
Patient is suffering from severe pains. In spite of Dulcamara 200, the pains are not stopping at all. I am also continuing with the other salts. MPhos 6X, Calc Phos 6X and Silicea 6X. The ambient temperature is very low here - below 10 Deg.c. She is having difficulty in speaking i.e. unable to open her jaw, when the pains are more. The pains lasts for more than 30 minutes and this symptom is repeated almost every hour. Please suggest. As suggested earlier, will Lachesis help?
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
Please give her Aranea Diadema 200 in the morning and evening for 3 days and report back.
 
kadwa 7 years ago
Continued with Aranea Diadema 200 in the morning and evening for 3 days, but there was no improvement at all. As it was suggested for 3 days, I have stopped this dose. I am continuing with the other salts. MPhos 6X, Calc Phos 6X and Silicea 6X. The ambient temperature is little moderate now - below 15 Deg.c. She feels better when it is not cold. So she is better than last week. She told me, that when she was advised to take Dulcamara 200, she was better. You advised to repeat Dulcamara 200 for 3 days, when there are significant relapse in her symptoms. Can she continue with Dulcamara 200 few more days / weeks? Is Dulcamara 200 harmful, when taken for a long period?
Will Nux Vomica 30X help her to reduce the pains? Please suggest, as I may be wrong here.
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
Please see how dulcamara 200, calc carb 200, rhus tox 200 affect her.
It is better to stop dosing after 3 days and after that wait or start tissue salts. She aggravated on calc carb 200 at the first time. The relief that she experienced later may be due to calc carb. Nux Vomica 200 is also a possibility.
 
kadwa 7 years ago
I need more details, as I am little confused here. Do I give all three medicines dulcamara 200, calc carb 200 and rhus tox 200 for 3 days? Then discontinue them and start the tissue salts OR dulcamara 200 for first three days then tissue salts. If this is not effective give calc carb 200 for three days and then tissue salts. If this is also not effective then try with rhus tox 200 for three days and then tissue salts. By doing this we will come to know, which medicine i.e. dulcamara 200 or calc carb 200 or rhus tox 200 is effective. Please clarify this.
As she aggravated on calc carb 200 at the first time, I stopped calc carb 200 and never gave it again. But as suggested above, I will attempt it again.
Please suggest, so that I will continue with your suggested medicines.
Thanks for your help.
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
Your following conclusion is correct.

dulcamara 200 for first three days then tissue salts. If this is not effective give calc carb 200 for three days and then tissue salts. If this is also not effective then try with rhus tox 200 for three days and then tissue salts. By doing this we will come to know, which medicine i.e. dulcamara 200 or calc carb 200 or rhus tox 200 is effective.
 
kadwa 7 years ago
I gave Dulcamara 200 for 3 days and continued with the salts. There was no effect or improvement. Then I gave Calc Carb 200 for 3 days and continued with the salts. This showed some improvement. The pains are reduced. So now I am continuing with the salts. The coldness is reduced in our city and temperatures have been normal. She had lot of pains during cold winters e.g. 10 Deg.C temperature. I will keep you posted on the progress. Thanks for your support.
 
sapatwardhan 7 years ago
Hi,
I have continued with the tissue salts MPhos 6X, Calc Phos 6X and Silicea 6X.

Recently my mother is suffering from the same pains again. Thi sis observed for past 4-5 days. This has affecetd her speech also. She finds that her toung is littel heavy and she is unable to speak clearly and also can not speak for a long time. This may happen due to season change in India, as we have stared rains and the ambient temperatures have dropped a little.

Please advise further actions.
 
sapatwardhan 6 years ago
Please give her Calc Carb 200 for 3 days and then tissue salts in the follow up.
 
kadwa 6 years ago
Hi this is Dr Vinod general physcian, my dad is a case of trigeminal neuralgia left side. MRI brain-vacular loop in close proximity with the entry of 5th nerve left side. He on allopathy medicines.since 2 weeks pain is very high, kindly suggest us the medicines.
 
Vabai 2 years ago
Continued the salts Mag Phos, Calc Phos and Silicea. She is much better now.

For how long these salts to be taken. Is it safe to continue them, as she feels better when she takes the salts.
 
sapatwardhan 2 years ago

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